Another school shooting

[steve dave]

it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

[steve dave]

it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

[star seed 7]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

[OK_Cat]

I don't like guns and want guns to be gone....BUT I know that's not going to happen.

I'm also smart enough to know that all these shootings aren't 100% on the guns, and that any solution isn't going to be 100% successful.  Start small.....throw more money at mental health issues, and require some sort of gun registration.  That may cut down on some shootings.  Then keep building until there is a happy medium to where Joe Gun isn't being infringed, and the rest of us can send our kids to school and not worry that they'll have their faces blasted off.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

DQ not to derail this thread, but based on what you've typed here i do not believe you understand what Nietzsche meant when he said "God is Dead"

[DQ12]

"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

DQ not to derail this thread, but based on what you've typed here i do not believe you understand what Nietzsche meant when he said "God is Dead"

I do. 

[michigancat]

"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

Actually it's just about the guns

[michigancat]

it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

I can understand how people could argue the assault weapons ban would violate the second amendment but I'm not sure what the downside would be for the others. (Also not a lawyer)

[Rage Against the McKee]

The feral pigs would claim more victims.

[Cire]

https://twitter.com/gonzopoliticsks/status/1644712216959111172?s=20

[wetwillie]

it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

I haven’t read up on what led up to the allowing of the statutes to expire in 2004 but that was a pivotal moment in our history. Banning assault weapons again seems like a no brainer that would be helpful in the long term decline of mass shooting events.

[wetwillie]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

[catastrophe]

it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

I can understand how people could argue the assault weapons ban would violate the second amendment but I'm not sure what the downside would be for the others. (Also not a lawyer)

There's really not a great argument for assault weapon bans being unconstitutional. It's been done for starters. And even the most closely guarded right of free speech is constantly regulated through "time, place, and manner" restrictions. No one is seriously out there arguing for a right to possess military weapons like a tank or rocket launcher.

[catastrophe]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

And empirical evidence strongly suggests that making gun ownership even slightly more difficult would reduce the overall number of gun deaths (including, most significantly, by suicide).

There is a reason that many life insurance policies only have like a 1-2 year ban on paying out when the policyholder commits suicide. When a person doesn't have a convenient way to off themselves, they'll eventually come around to a better state of mind.

[star seed 7]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

[DQ12]

"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

Actually it's just about the guns

Guns are a huge, necessary ingredient.  But guns have been around for a long time, and this is a relatively new phenomenon. 

[wetwillie]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

[cfbandyman]

it's crazy to me that assault weapons are legal. registration and insurance isn't required. universal background checks for all firearm sales including party to party, gun shows, pawn, etc. isn't required. there's a lot of things re. the USA and guns that are crazy to me.

can someone give me a single downside to any of this? I mean, huge gun freak John Doe would have to fork over some cash annually for his massive collection of weaponry but that's not a downside imo. use that money to fund mental health initiatives, victims funds, gun safety programs, whatever.

Not much and it all comes back to me, the real crux of the problem, it's all "muh rights" and no "muh responsibilities". Having to require a license, registration, insurance, etc is all reasonable steps of responsibility for owning a gun and instead it's not going to do anything and so we keep doing the same thing again, and again, and again. Ad nauseum.

[star seed 7]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

[Spracne]

Tree of liberty, blood of the innocent, etc.

[wetwillie]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

They wouldn’t be saved, their guardian would just go to jail.  Fine by me.

[DQ12]

Gun locks would've prevented (or made more difficult) a lot of the school shootings -- at least those in which little johnny yoinks mom's/dad's guns (e.g. Sandy Hook).

[star seed 7]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

They wouldn’t be saved, their guardian would just go to jail.  Fine by me.

I'm confident a gun locked in a safe or secured with a trigger lock will make the act of a toddler shooting themselves or someone else extremely difficult.

[wetwillie]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

Accidental deaths account for like 1% the total.  The majority of people are dying from killing themselves with guns they own.

So?

So the mandatory lock thing you guys are talking about would have virtually no impact

Ah well nevermind, no reason to easily save a few hundred toddlers every decade

They wouldn’t be saved, their guardian would just go to jail.  Fine by me.

I'm confident a gun locked in a safe or secured with a trigger lock will make the act of a toddler shooting themselves or someone else extremely difficult.

So the people not currently locking up their guns at home(obviously don’t care enough about their child potentially using it to kill themselves or others) will suddenly become responsible once threat of potential jail time after their dependent commits a murder/ accidental death? 

[OK_Cat]

people speed every day, but having speed limits definitely helps create less traffic accidents