Another school shooting

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

about a year ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

The ACLU and other liberal leaning groups likewise opposed that regulation because it pissed all over due process rights.

https://www.reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment/amp

A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.

It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.

[Spracne]

about a year ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

The ACLU and other liberal leaning groups likewise opposed that regulation because it pissed all over due process rights.

https://www.reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment/amp

A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.

It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.

Fourth Amendment? I'm gonna have to check my pocket Constitution. Scott Shackford must be a DP fanatic...

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[Phil Titola]

"Several Broward deputies waited outside during Florida school shooting, report says"

New theory on arming teachers....they have to shoot themselves out to survive.

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/TimfromDa70s/status/966764149408653312

[OK_Cat]

Steve dave, that guy would have killed the trained super sniper with a rock, though.


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[Phil Titola]

Fun seeing corporations turning on NRA

[Institutional Control]

Probably luked but....

https://twitter.com/eliza_relman/status/967214553858822144


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[Kat Kid]

I mean, I'm sure that this would never happen when a school goes on lockdown and the police show up on the scene and there are actually 15 people roaming around with guns.

https://twitter.com/jsmccullou/status/967784454004592644

[Kat Kid]

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/968174588734603266

[michigancat]

https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.

[DQ12]

https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.

Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

[michigancat]

https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.

Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

[Rage Against the McKee]

https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.

Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

That's a pretty poor criticism, really. The news isn't really the news anymore when it starts calling ideas dumb. It's an editorial at that point.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

It's far less stupid than blaming the NRA for every homicide ever perpetrated with a gun.

[DQ12]

https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.

Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

That's a pretty poor criticism, really. The news isn't really the news anymore when it starts calling ideas dumb. It's an editorial at that point.

Yep.  And plenty of editorials have been written calling the policy dumb.

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/967861558809423874

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

In any event, it looks like the libtards have their talking points lined up (a. It's stupid, b. It won't work) once the fantasized policy reaches committew for debate.

It's unclear whether that will be before or after the debate on legislation deporting all mexicans, closing Hollywood and making women personal property.

Continue raging on

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/968163890206068736

[michigancat]

https://twitter.com/biblioracle/status/967929048520421382

This is a good point - arming teachers is incredibly rough ridin' stupid and really doesn't deserve any discussion.

Maybe so, but the president mentioned it so it's news.  Criticizing the media for reporting it is weird.

I think it's more a criticism for taking it seriously and not mocking it for being dumb

That's a pretty poor criticism, really. The news isn't really the news anymore when it starts calling ideas dumb. It's an editorial at that point.

I'd suggest reading the entire thread after the tweet I linked - the media is far more than just "news".

This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.

[DQ12]

This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.

I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public. 

[Phil Titola]

This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.

I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.

Where you getting it has public support?

[Mrs. Gooch]

This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.

I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.

Where you getting it has public support?

One person on FB (friend of friend) suggested that arming teachers could be accomplished at no cost because teachers don't need any more training than concealed carry (which a "bunch" of them already have) and they can use their own gun.

[LickNeckey]

Executive Order to ban bump stocks.

"By the way, bump stocks, we’re writing that out. I'm writing that out myself, I don't care if Congress does it or not, I'm writing it out myself, okay? You put it into the machine gun category, which is what it is, it becomes essentially a machine gun."

oh man can you imagine if Barry would have suggested this?

[LickNeckey]

interesting listen

http://www.radiolab.org/story/radiolab-presents-more-perfect-gun-show/

[CHONGS]

This is being seriously discussed/debated/editorialized and it doesn't deserve to be.

I did.  I came away thinking John Warner is a condescending bad person. His idea is best and other ideas don't merit discussion. 

Who decides what ideas deserve to get debated?  Agree with it or not -- think it's a stupid idea or not -- it's an idea that has considerable support among the public.

Where you getting it has public support?

Essentially every single real Republican supports it, so like 35% maybe.