Another school shooting

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The idea has already been implemented in Texas in response to Sandy Hook(signed into law in 2013).

At least 172 of Texas' roughly 1,200 districts have implemented the policies as the nation has re-engaged in debate over whether teachers and other school employees should be armed at work, according to an analysis by the Texas Association of School Boards.

Under the program, schools in districts that participate can designate marshals who undergo background checks and active-shooter training. “This is not some insignificant, go-to-a-weekend class and all of a sudden you’re Rambo,” Villalba said. “This is a serious requirement.”

It's not clear how many marshals there are because it is a secret force. The few districts that are thought to have authorized them typically won’t even say they have done so — so gunmen can’t target them. Students don’t know if their teacher is a marshal. Neither do parents. It’s based on the theory of secret flight marshals — which Trump has also referenced.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/education/article/Armed-teachers-In-some-Texas-classrooms-the-12704933.php

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/24/armed-teachers-texas-trump-362397

 

[Phil Titola]

20+ school shootings in Texas 2013-2018

https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5672/

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Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

[Phil Titola]

Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

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Open Borders libtards talking about what is stupid/insane/meritless policy is extremely lol

The relationship between illegal immigrants and violent crime

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Water n 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation's most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their populatio

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear and demonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation's population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime of murder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state's prison system for the crime of homicide.

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More stupid policy: https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-jersey-bill-proposes-to-give-states-prisoners-right-to-vote-1519690171?mod=e2tw

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Hey Michicat, the ACA called to remind you what shitty policy looks like.

[cfbandyman]

Oxford proving FSD a dumbass as usual

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

[Cire]

https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/968250443292925952/video/1

I thought this was pretty great.

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Oxford proving FSD a dumbass as usual

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

Immigrant =/ illegal alien (aka undocumented citizen)

Understand???

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https://twitter.com/marksimoneny/status/968266604940349440

[8manpick]

https://twitter.com/marksimoneny/status/968266604940349440

This goes in (and has been posted in) the LOL TRUMP thread, LukeyCat08

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Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

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Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

I mean, it's very slightly less disingenuous than claiming illegal aliens don't commit crimes based upon studies on legal immigrants. So, we should give him a quarter of a point or something

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Oxford proving FSD a dumbass as usual

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

Immigrant =/ illegal alien (aka undocumented citizen)

Understand???

Concern about crimes committed on or near the U.S. border has also resulted in some studies about the nexus among migration, victimization, and criminal offending. Hickman and Suttorp (2015) analyzed whether undocumented immigrants were more likely to be a recidivist one year after release from jail than nondeportable immigrants. Analyzing a month of data from the Los Angeles County Jail in 2002, they found that 21% of inmates were “foreign born.” For those whose immigration status was known, and for which the inmate was not released to another agency, about 60% of the inmates were nondeportable and 40% were deportable immigrants. One year after release from the county jail, deportable immigrants were no more a threat to public safety than immigrants who were nondeportable (Hickman & Suttorp, 2015). Hickman and Suttorp concluded that the fear that undocumented immigrants are a disproportionate threat to a community’s safety is not empirically supported by analysis of data for the immigrants subjected to criminal justice sanctions at a local jail level. The re-arrest rate for all the immigrants (both deportable and nondeportable) in their study was relatively low (about 38%).

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I agree it would be difficult to make conclusions based on that dumbass analysis. Using recidivism rates from a sanctuary city jail to assess propensity to commit crime along the boarder is lol deliberately misleading. Ridiculously stupid post.

Apparently you missed this:

Open Borders libtards talking about what is stupid/insane/meritless policy is extremely lol

The relationship between illegal immigrants and violent crime

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Water n 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation's most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their populatio

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear and demonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation's population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime of murder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state's prison system for the crime of homicide.

[Phil Titola]

Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".

[DQ12]

Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".

I think the push for teachers to carry guns would also require them to be specially trained.   I don't think it's like "well, Coach Evans already has a CC license so let's let him bring his judge to school." 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".

I think the push for teachers to carry guns would also require them to be specially trained.   I don't think it's like "well, Coach Evans already has a CC license so let's let him bring his judge to school."

All of the arguments that I have heard are just like that.

[Phil Titola]

Hiw many in the 172 out of 1200+ districts that enacted the law?

Answer: 0

 

intriguing if true.  No idea.

No idea, either. But maybe a pertinent thing to figure out before claiming "yeah, but 20 shootings."

Another thing I'd like to know is whether there have been any instances of these marshals leaving a gun unattended in a bathroom or whipping it out because Johnny forgot his homework. These seem to be the leading concerns with arming teachers according to Facebook memes.

The outrage and resistance to making schools more secure almost kinda maybe seems like liberals would rather keep the focus on banning guns....

Further research shows the districts aren't known so FSD claim as fact was a bit misleading but feel free to scold away...many districts they say are 30 minutes plus away from law enforcement....that's crazy in itself.

Another thing I'd like to know is how many of these marshals in these schools have stopped a shooting.

Sounds like they go through training that is intense enough to make them deputies of the law....that's a lot more involved than "arming 20% of teachers because they are already good at gun stuff".

I think the push for teachers to carry guns would also require them to be specially trained.   I don't think it's like "well, Coach Evans already has a CC license so let's let him bring his judge to school."

To the point of them being a class of law enforcement isn't something I've heard described and would be more palatable for parents I'd think.

Don should do a better job of articulating his ideas with all his good words if this is what he is going after.  I still don't think it would do much to deter....given the latest shooting had armed officers at the school and the kid came in anyways.

[CHONGS]

We will soon enough have to link this thread to the "not just missouri, best to avoid all cops" thread.  If you think cops aren't well trained enough to avoid unloading dozens of rounds into people because they feel threatened, just wait.

[Phil Titola]

We will soon enough have to link this thread to the "not just missouri, best to avoid all cops" thread.  If you think cops aren't well trained enough to avoid unloading dozens of rounds into people because they feel threatened, just wait.

+1

[DQ12]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966657362789568512

"highly trained"

i really hate having to be the devil's advocate here because as i stated, i think it's a bad idea.  but for crying out loud, at least understand what you're arguing against. 

[CHONGS]

I understand citizen.

[DQ12]

im not talking to you, CHINGON