Another school shooting

[mocat]

I liked that he has 45 embroidered on his sleeve.

he's a colt-hearted SOB

[Joker]

The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

[Mrs. Gooch]

Did the fact that he was using smoke bombs or gas or whatever factor into why the deputy didn't go in?

[Brock Landers]

Yeah pretty big blow to the "good guy with a gun" crowd.

[Joker]

I don't know that any reason was given, but the deputy's boss said he should have gone in.

Israel said he suspended School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson on Thursday after seeing a video from the Parkland, Fla., school that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter was inside and attacking.

“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.


He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building during the 6-minute event, which left 17 people, most of them teenagers, dead. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?utm_term=.f020330da8ba

[michigancat]

The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people.

[Kat Kid]

So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

So now we know that there were armed law enforcement officers on the scene of both this mass shooting and Vegas and they didn't stop it.  So maybe we can get bipartisan agreement that arming teachers is a completely bonkers idea and probably wouldn't work even if it didn't have all the extremely easy to spot downside costs that would result in plenty of people being shot that weren't mass shooters.

[WildcatNkilt]

So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

So now we know that there were armed law enforcement officers on the scene of both this mass shooting and Vegas and they didn't stop it.  So maybe we can get bipartisan agreement that arming teachers is a completely bonkers idea and probably wouldn't work even if it didn't have all the extremely easy to spot downside costs that would result in plenty of people being shot that weren't mass shooters.

Bonkers indeed.  I would also bet that majority of teachers would refuse to carry. 

[SkinnyBenny]

no question in my mind.

[Joker]

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people.

Nothing other than threaten to murder people at his school.

So why didn't authorities and those social media platforms do more to investigate someone who by all accounts was a ticking time bomb? A digital-crimes scholar and a free-speech expert both told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin that officials have the ability to take measures to step in before threatening online behavior leads to carnage.

In Cruz's case, that apparently didn't happen. A neighbor had reported Cruz’s 2016 posting about his desire to shoot up his school, but a police officer dismissed that concern and said there was nothing authorities could do, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Drexel University associate professor Rob D’Ovidio, who studies crime and technology, said law enforcement could have intervened.

“Most certainly the police could have taken action,” D’Ovidio said.

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2018/02/21/nikolas-cruzs-threats-shoot-up-school-were-enough-warning-act-legal-experts-say/340728002/

[star seed 7]

And then he didn't do it for 2 years, wtf are police supposed to do with that?

[chum1]

If he did actually commit a crime by making a threat and was then punished, it's conceivable that his future behavior could have been deterred for one reason or another.

[Dr Rick Daris]

The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people.

yeah that's what I don't get either. what should the cops have done to stop this?

[Dr Rick Daris]

So while the liberals blather about giving 16yos the right to vote, putting all gun owners on a national registry, and banning/confiscating guns, I’m going to focus on all the ways law enforcement failed us. They can’t prevent all of these shootings, or maybe even most of them, but they should have stopped this one. They failed in so, so many ways, right up to when the bullets started flying.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html The cowardly fuckface never even entered the school.

So now we know that there were armed law enforcement officers on the scene of both this mass shooting and Vegas and they didn't stop it.  So maybe we can get bipartisan agreement that arming teachers is a completely bonkers idea and probably wouldn't work even if it didn't have all the extremely easy to spot downside costs that would result in plenty of people being shot that weren't mass shooters.

Bonkers indeed.  I would also bet that majority of teachers would refuse to carry.

the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

[Spracne]

I've said it before, but it bears (lol) repeating: If the NRA were only interested in selling more guns, don't you think they'd want Democrats in office?

[mocat]

The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people.

yeah i don't really understand what they are supposed to do here, this isn't minority report

[Mrs. Gooch]

The level of incompetence displayed by all authorities involved in this thing is incredibly astounding.

FBI knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's department knew and did nothing.

Sheriff's deputy on site during the shooting sat outside the building for 4 minutes like a coward and did nothing.


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/967036713846546433

From what I can tell he did nothing illegal before he started murdering people.

yeah i don't really understand what they are supposed to do here, this isn't minority report

If he had been convicted of making a threat or whatever, would he still have been able to legally buy the guns?

[Joker]

The FBI received credible information in January (about a month before the shooting) and failed to act on it.  They actually released a statement admitting that they dropped the ball and should have investigated it.  So, according to the FBI itself, they should have done something.

In a statement, the FBI said that a person close to Cruz, who has allegedly confessed to killing 17 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., called the FBI tip line with concerns on Jan. 5. The caller gave the FBI information on Cruz’s “gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

That information should have been forwarded to the FBI’s Miami field office for agents to investigate, but it was not.

“We have determined that these protocols were not followed,” a statement from the FBI read.

The FBI said it did not follow established protocols to follow up.

"Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life," the FBI said.

"The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time," the FBI statement said.

http://time.com/5162999/fbi-failed-investigate-tip-nikolas-cruz/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/19/how-fbi-handled-two-tips-related-nikolas-cruz/352142002/

[star seed 7]

So what could the fbi have done if they investigated him? 1 in every 100 youtube comments are similar or worse than that.

[Joker]

I mean, if you're a member of law enforcement and someone calls you with a tip about a deranged individual who has guns, has talked about killing people, and has expressed a desire to perform a school shooting, do you just throw your hands up and say "sorry pal, what do you expect me to do with this??"  Or, do you get off your ass, do your job, and go investigate it?

Maybe they get the kid to admit to his plot.  Maybe they get the kid admitted for psychiatric help.  Maybe they uncover enough information to charge him with something.  Maybe it turns up nothing and he goes on to commit the crime anyway.  At least a serious effort would have been made to prevent a shooting based on credible information.

[WillieWatanabe]

So what could the fbi have done if they investigated him? 1 in every 100 youtube comments are similar or worse than that.

I would assume they would see his pattern of behavior up to that point(January 5th) and do something.
I seriously doubt there are "1 in every 100" commenters that had his history.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The FBI should have taken the information that this kid was crazy and sent a young, buff agent with his dorky agent friend to 21 Jump Street his ass. Create a plot and include their new psycho friend in it, then arrest him when he goes and buys the guns.

[star seed 7]

Not commenters, comments.

Yes they should have followed through but I'm extremely sceptical that it would have resulted in anything except a report that they investigated

[WillieWatanabe]

Not commenters, comments.

Yes they should have followed through but I'm extremely sceptical that it would have resulted in anything except a report that they investigated

sure but a random youtube comment is nothing like this tip to the FBI: "The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting."


you may be right. we will never know.

[sys]

it drives me crazy when people dismiss/disparage the nra's influence as being about money. 

it's very convenient and intellectually dishonest for people opposed to this position to dismiss the nra as a lobbyist organization buying influence with money, because it intimates that the prevailing gun policy has somehow been achieved dishonestly or against the electorate's wishes.  however, that is not accurate.  the nra enjoys influence because a lot of americans believe very strongly that their right to possess firearms should not be infringed in any way and vote accordingly.  they have influence because our democracy functions as designed.

There seems to be quite a bit of divergence between the electorate and legislators (who also happen to diverge very little with the NRA). See poll numbers on things like background checks and assault weapons bans.

if those proposals were put up as national referendums (i just had to look this up, and it now pisses me off that the plural of referendum is not referenda, what bullshit), it that divergence would be meaningful.  however, our democracy is designed to afford some measure of protection from tyranny by the majority.  those voters interested in preserving gun rights feel more strongly about doing so than voters interested in curtailing gun rights.  their willingness to exclude other issues from their election choice, combined with our party system, ensures that as long as there are enough of them to influence primary success in at least one party, and they care enough about the issue to remember a candidate's gun rights positions and actions from one election to the next, they can control the issue.