Another school shooting

[Dugout DickStone]

Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.

I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

why wouldn't the rifle and shotgun help? 

[star seed 7]

Obviously hellhammer needs to place caches of rocks and clubs around his property since they are just as effective as rifles and shotguns

[Phil Titola]

So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.

It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.

What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?

How cute, clams brought up a topic so wacky piled on!

[HELLHAMMER]

Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.

I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

why wouldn't the rifle and shotgun help?

Despite popular groupthink, the vast majority of gun owners don't have them "strapped" and pointed at anything that moves 24/7.

[420seriouscat69]

So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.

It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.

What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?

How cute, clams brought up a topic so wacky piled on!

lol wut? I came up with that myself. Your dear leader just keeps trying to add new shiny crap, without taking care of current existing problems in the city. So brave.

[Phil Titola]

Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.

I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula.

5 miles? Damn...good thing you were strapped.

I can't help you understand what you don't want to understand.  Good luck in future endeavors and please stay safe.

Help me understand what?

I'm fine with people owning guns but it's weird to me that someone loose within 5 miles in the middle of nowhere makes you glad you had a gun....but those same gun owners want to make it easy for anybody to walk down the street with one.

[The Big Train]

If one thing is going to create change it’s bitching about people bitching about T’s and P’s on a message board in the middle of kansas.

[Phil Titola]

So is bitching about T's & P's, Phil. Don't be dumb.

It's just an LOL that these leaders aren't doing anything (actually making it  easier for mentally ill to get a gun) and they throw out empty T&Ps....

It's nice they are thinking and praying for those families....glad they let them know.

What's your guy Sly been up to these days to prevent the enhanced crime rate in KCMO these days?

How cute, clams brought up a topic so wacky piled on!

lol wut? I came up with that myself. Your dear leader just keeps trying to add new shiny crap, without taking care of current existing problems in the city. So brave.

Okay bud. Happy Friday!

[Rage Against the McKee]

When you live in the middle of nowhere, 5 miles is very close, Phil. That's like 4 minutes away.

[steve dave]

thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

[Phil Titola]

Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.
 
It's natural for all species to protect themselves with the best means possible. 

We supposedly have knowledge and wisdom as tools to guide us.  Be it lessons from the founding fathers, Jews during Nazi Occupation, to the latest videos showing law abiding citizens thwarting criminals.

I grew up with guns.  I attended HS in a suburban community where just about every family had guns.  We were taught to respect guns like we would any piece of equipment, tractor, livestock etc. 

I also enjoy history.  Have been lucky enough to fire or observe several weapons from WW1 through WW2.  The engineering is fascinating.  The craftmanship is remarkable.
 
Many of you are still blaming the spoon for making people fat.

We regulate things that make people fat.

[michigancat]

I'll admit I'm not sure I understand what Hellhammer's point was with the armed crazy people

[star seed 7]

Rusty, have you ever been within 5 miles of an armed crazy person?

[Phil Titola]

Guys I'm starting to freak out thinking of all the CCW people within 5 miles of me rn

[Dugout DickStone]

Guys I'm starting to freak out thinking of all the CCW people within 5 miles of me rn

get an AR, you will be super relieved

[michigancat]

Rusty, have you ever been within 5 miles of an armed crazy person?

I'm guessing I have

[sys]

the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.

[Trim]

Hellhammer, break down for me the emotional value of owning guns or having the right to own guns, like why it feels so important to own or be able to own them.

I've been thinking about what "gun ownership" could be replaced with to give those people a similar feeling of pride or accomplishment or whatever it is, but I obviously don't understand what emotion needs to be tapped into.  T-Y.

I live in the middle of nowhere and on 3 separate occasions the police have apprehended very dangerous people who were armed and with nothing to lose within 5 miles of my home.  My grandpa's rifle that was handed down to me or my shotgun might not have helped my family much if one of those bad persons had tried to get into my house.  I also wouldn't have been fighting them off with my rugged good looks and a spatula. 

Cool, thanks.  So to you, your extra guns besides historic/hunting guns are simply what you think are a necessary home security system?

Is that it or would you still want the guns if you lived in a hypothetically more densely populated area or one where crazies weren't out and about?  In other words, if security was 100%, would you still want the guns?

[Trim]

It's natural for all species to protect themselves with the best means possible. 

We supposedly have knowledge and wisdom as tools to guide us.  Be it lessons from the founding fathers, Jews during Nazi Occupation, to the latest videos showing law abiding citizens thwarting criminals.

I grew up with guns.  I attended HS in a suburban community where just about every family had guns.  We were taught to respect guns like we would any piece of equipment, tractor, livestock etc. 

I also enjoy history.  Have been lucky enough to fire or observe several weapons from WW1 through WW2.  The engineering is fascinating.  The craftmanship is remarkable.
 
Many of you are still blaming the spoon for making people fat.

T-Y.  You like having guns because of 1) security, 2) tradition and 3) history/collecting.  Anything else?  How would you weigh those values?

[Dugout DickStone]

the rural/urban divide on guns is perfectly logical.  for rural person, a gun is a tool useful in a wide variety of situations and if nothing else can contribute peace of mind to people for whom a call to law enforcement might result in a hour wait for a response.  they infrequently come into contact with with any stranger that might harm them with a gun.  basically all positives, no negatives.

for an urban person, they live in a situation where there is virtually no lawful use for a gun and they daily come into contact with thousands of strangers, any of whom might harm them with a gun, if so inclined.  basically all negatives, no positives.

agreed, but for the Sub-urban dweller its a real problem

[Trim]

thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

[Dugout DickStone]

thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void

[Phil Titola]

thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void

Potato gun? Fireworks?

[LickNeckey]

thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

getting a snakey "don't tread on me" license plate might fill this void

Potato gun? Fireworks?

rexkwondo?

[steve dave]

thanks for asking. owning my AR is great because it makes me incredibly powerful and a big tough man. knowing that I can unload like 45 rounds in a matter of seconds is boner city and I also require it to hunt quail to feed my family. shall not be infringed.

You don't think you could get into building and riding really loud vroom-vroom motorcycles or becoming a big truck guy, like borderline monster truck, and cruising around?  That wouldn't scratch the itch?

I do have my eyes on a set of jumbo truck nuts that would look great dangling off the back of my dodge