Another school shooting

[wetwillie]

How many kids got slaughtered last year in schools?

My unofficial count is 6 in 2017 unless someone has an official number.

My unofficial count is 42.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

Very interesting, it doesn’t seem to jive at all with the school shootings Wikipedia page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

[8manpick]

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659


They really get a lot of use out of this headline...

[420seriouscat69]

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659


They really get a lot of use out of this headline...

Yeah, they've been running that one for awhile now.

[8manpick]

NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.

Hmm... maybe we should implement some laws to regulate driving and maybe manufacture safer vehicles.

[mocat]

I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

nobody gives a crap. just close your eyes and hope it goes away

[wetwillie]

NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.

Hmm... maybe we should implement some laws to regulate driving and maybe manufacture safer vehicles.

Most definitely

[8manpick]

I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

I think a lot of it is that there have been so many of these that have been in the news that it now seems like a viable option for depressed, frustrated people.  I don't know of any way to solve that problem.

[420seriouscat69]

I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

nobody gives a crap. just close your eyes and hope it goes away

These comments help a ton too towards the movement!

It's way too soon to repeat memes and politicians guys

We've tried everything guys, nothing can be done. Kids being slaughtered in schools is just a fact of life.

You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  So brave.

[Joker]

I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

I agree that this is a complex issue with many factors at play.  One piece of the puzzle might be stricter enforcement of the current straw purchasing laws.  It would appear that straw purchasers go largely unpunished in these cases.

We will probably learn in the coming days how the shooter obtained his gun. A recent Washington Post study found that 168 guns used in mass shootings were obtained legally; 48 were obtained illegally. If we must discuss gun control after an event like this, let us contemplate more consistent prosecution of straw buyers. Members of Congress have pressed the Department of Justice to make this a higher priority for years. U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones told a Congressional panel in 2013 that out of 48,321 cases involving straw buyers, the Justice Department prosecuted only 44 of them — saying that “hard decisions” to prosecute were made based on “limited resources.” Even when the straw purchasers are prosecuted, the punishments are often much more lenient than the public might expect. Last year, Simone Mousheh purchased four weapons for $600 each and sold two to a man with Chicago gang ties. She was sentenced to 12 months probation,  15 days in the Cook County sheriff’s work alternative program and ordered to pay $679 in fines

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/456456/if-you-see-something-say-something-only-works-if-authorities-do-something

[ChiComCat]

You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  So brave.

I would welcome statistics regarding T's & P's effect on future gun violence but the government won't fund that research.

[420seriouscat69]

You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  So brave.

I would welcome statistics regarding T's & P's effect on future gun violence but the government won't fund that research.

So brave, chi. Keep fighting the fight.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You guys are fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Don't forget to make fun of T's & P's in the process too.  So brave.

I would welcome statistics regarding T's & P's effect on future gun violence but the government won't fund that research.

rough ridin' NRA, man.

[420seriouscat69]

IF ONLY WE KNEW!!!

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/15/nikolas-cruz-threatened-murder-mass-shooting-youtube/

[Dugout DickStone]

NHTSA estimates about 130 per year die in school transportation related accidents.

Hmm... maybe we should implement some laws to regulate driving and maybe manufacture safer vehicles.

require licensing and background checks for people who drive buses

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Whole lotta people trolling it up in here over a tragedy.

I’d like to know more about....
1. How he acquired the weapon.
2. How he had access to the school.
3. What security did the school have and how did they respond.
4. What did people (law enforcement, health, school, etc.) know about this lunatic and when did they know it.

[wetwillie]

yes very good idea

[Trim]

First, ban all guns.  Then, take all the time needed to figure out all of life's mysteries about people.  Once all those are solved, if it's clear america can handle guns, lift the ban.

[8manpick]

Whole lotta people trolling it up in here over a tragedy.

I’d like to know more about....
1. How he acquired the weapon.
2. How he had access to the school.
3. What security did the school have and how did they respond.
4. What did people (law enforcement, health, school, etc.) know about this lunatic and when did they know it.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/nikolas-cruz-legally-purchased-ar-15-despite-long-history-of-mental-illness-warnings-10089980

Everyone knew Nikolas Cruz was deeply disturbed. He'd been in and out of mental health treatment. He'd been kicked out of school. His Instagram page was full of photos of dead animals and weapons. He was so frightening to teachers that he'd been banned from even carrying a backpack into school.

So how does a guy like that get his hands on a military-style weapon capable of pumping dozens of rounds into innocent victims without even reloading? Well, this is Florida, so he just walks into a gun shop and buys one.

Jim Lewis, an attorney for Cruz's family, tells reporters this morning that the 19-year-old had legally purchased the weapon of mass destruction that killed 17 people yesterday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

“It was his gun,” family lawyer Jim Lewis said. “The family made him keep it in a locked gun cabinet in the house, but he had a key.”

[...]
It's not clear exactly why Cruz was booted from school, but classmates say it was for fighting and bringing bullets and knives to school. A teacher said the faculty had been warned not to let him on campus with a backpack.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

[wetwillie]

I agree that secure entrances is a top priority but I’m guessing that it’s really expensive and not trivial amount that most districts could absorb

[mocat]

i legit thought you had to be 21 to buy a gun. my goodness

[OK_Cat]

No, just 21 for alcohol because that stuff is dangerous and can kill people


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[star seed 7]

21 to buy a handgun

[420seriouscat69]

My dad had me take hunter safety when I was 12 and got me a shotgun to go hunting. I think I used it once because I hated it. It's been like this since about 1776.

[420seriouscat69]

i legit thought you had to be 21 to buy a gun. my goodness

People go into the army at 18. Come on, Mocat.