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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3875 on: October 15, 2015, 11:43:49 AM »
Another example of why states can't be trusted to govern themselves
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3876 on: October 15, 2015, 11:44:15 AM »
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

It's okay to have a conversation with the people whom you are entrusting with your child about the safety of your child. 

My friend's FIL is a real herp derp kinda gun guy, the kind of guy you all are scared to death of.  My friend told him he won't bring his son to visit unless everything is locked up or on his person.  And you know what?  He happily agreed and compiled. 


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3877 on: October 15, 2015, 11:46:31 AM »
and why are gun locks so rarely used? I mean, I know it's because of paranoia, but still.

It's because they are perceived as being a pain in the ass.  They really aren't though. 

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3878 on: October 15, 2015, 11:47:11 AM »
I agree pools are probably more dangerous and more necessary than a guns (although neither are really necessary) but it would be more difficult for a toddler to kill another toddler or multiple toddlers with access to a pool than it would for them with access to a gun.

When's the last time a toddler accidentally killed "multiple" people with a gun? Either the toddler kills him/herself or somebody else. Either way, it's one horrible tragedy, just like a drowning. And I think that guns are more necessary than swimming pools.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3879 on: October 15, 2015, 11:49:42 AM »
I agree pools are probably more dangerous and more necessary than a guns (although neither are really necessary) but it would be more difficult for a toddler to kill another toddler or multiple toddlers with access to a pool than it would for them with access to a gun.

When's the last time a toddler accidentally killed "multiple" people with a gun? Either the toddler kills him/herself or somebody else. Either way, it's one horrible tragedy, just like a drowning. And I think that guns are more necessary than swimming pools.

yeah I guess toddlers can really usually only manage to get one shot off. Great point!

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3880 on: October 15, 2015, 11:50:52 AM »
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

Every gun I have ever bought came from the factory with a trigger lock, for free.

That is great and the right thing to do.  Side note:  I have guns and hunt with a pretty large party of ppl, most of whom have a lot more guns than I do and bring them when we go hunting to show them off and play with them, even if the particular hunting season doesn't call for it.  I have personally never encountered a trigger lock outside of a place that sells guns.

Do you use them?

These times you've gone hunting with these folks, were there kids around unattended who had acces to these guns?

I haven't used them because they'd be redundant.  But crap's changing with Baby Emo in the house now.  Not that I'll use trigger locks, but we're redoing our basement and I got $2k into the budget for safety stuffs. 

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3881 on: October 15, 2015, 11:52:10 AM »
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

the government doesn't want a single thing you have.

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they don't need guns to tax you.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3882 on: October 15, 2015, 11:59:03 AM »
I've never seen a trigger lock in use. My friends who have guns keep the rifles in a large gun safe in the basement, and the handgun in a small fingerprint / combo gun safe on a high shelf in the closet. That seems plenty safe to me.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3883 on: October 15, 2015, 12:07:59 PM »
If you have a gun, make sure you toddler can't get to it as a plaything.  Seems pretty simple.  If you don't you should be harshly punished.  Seems like the pro gun ppl would support this.  I mean, being pro gun doesn't make you pro stupid, and what we are talking about is ppl being very stupid with their guns to the detriment of those who don't know better(toddlers).

Agreed. But we should also prosecute swimming pool drownings, too, right? Over 350 per year, way way more than accidental toddler shooting deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

Is there a diff in leaving a gun on a coffee table or couch and having a pool in a fenced in back yard?  Again, gun ppl should want this.  They should want to remove reasonable barriers from them having guns and getting bleading hearts out of the way would be a good thing for that cause.  Pool contractors I know are all about safety devices.  It's an upsell.  They want you to have a fence, an automated cover that can hold a person, and a water splash sensor alarm.  It makes them money and goes a good distance to keeping their name and industry from being viewed in a bad light.  you can separate the gun rights from needing gun responsibility, right?
Yeah, gun shops should really upsell gun locks and cabinets and manufacturers should work on sourcing them and marketing them for added revenue. Sell it as a safety measure. They should also work on developing new locks and cabinets that are smarter, safer, and more quickly accessible by the qualified owner in case of emergency. Maybe they already do, but they should try to stay ahead of the game.

HOWEVER, that's a pretty small number of toddlers killed by guns given the number of guns and idiot parents we have in this country.

Every gun I have ever bought came from the factory with a trigger lock, for free.

That is great and the right thing to do.  Side note:  I have guns and hunt with a pretty large party of ppl, most of whom have a lot more guns than I do and bring them when we go hunting to show them off and play with them, even if the particular hunting season doesn't call for it.  I have personally never encountered a trigger lock outside of a place that sells guns.

Do you use them?

These times you've gone hunting with these folks, were there kids around unattended who had acces to these guns?

I haven't used them because they'd be redundant.  But crap's changing with Baby Emo in the house now.  Not that I'll use trigger locks, but we're redoing our basement and I got $2k into the budget for safety stuffs.

I don't.  I keep my guns at my house and my ammo at my dad's house.  So, my kids would have to come up with ammo to do anything other than drop my shotgun on their toe.

As for the others, no, we never have young kids around, but they aren't bringing loose guns either.  I mean, they pull them out of the same cases they keep them in at home.  None of them have gun safes.  In fact, the only person I know that does is one of my employees who deals in antique guns. Gun safes are really expensive unless you are talking about single pistols.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3884 on: October 15, 2015, 12:08:34 PM »
I've never seen a trigger lock in use. My friends who have guns keep the rifles in a large gun safe in the basement, and the handgun in a small fingerprint / combo gun safe on a high shelf in the closet. That seems plenty safe to me.

Might as well not even have one

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3885 on: October 15, 2015, 12:11:57 PM »
Safes are expensive.  But not compred to like redoing a basement.  Well, it's easy to sneak $2k in the budget for something like that when the finance/accounting department is busy picking out appliances and hardwood floors.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3886 on: October 15, 2015, 12:17:38 PM »
You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3887 on: October 15, 2015, 12:29:35 PM »
You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection

You should really be making a backup copy of all your DVDs, anyway. I have zero sympathy if you don't.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3888 on: October 15, 2015, 12:32:18 PM »
Victim blaming, typical
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3889 on: October 15, 2015, 12:45:18 PM »
You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection
Please don't get your shower rum and your shower gun mixed up

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3890 on: October 15, 2015, 12:48:45 PM »
What a callback  :surprised:
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3891 on: October 15, 2015, 12:49:19 PM »
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3892 on: October 15, 2015, 12:59:12 PM »

You need a gun in the shower or else the criminals are just going to wait until you are in the shower and boom, you lost your DVD collection
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3893 on: October 15, 2015, 01:00:11 PM »
You never know when the Obamacare fema deathcamp workers will come for you

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3894 on: October 15, 2015, 01:00:42 PM »
also should we mention that many states have laws that mandate you have fences around your pools?
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3895 on: October 15, 2015, 01:01:14 PM »
Here it is. SFW


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3896 on: October 15, 2015, 01:05:23 PM »
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

It's okay to have a conversation with the people whom you are entrusting with your child about the safety of your child. 

My friend's FIL is a real herp derp kinda gun guy, the kind of guy you all are scared to death of.  My friend told him he won't bring his son to visit unless everything is locked up or on his person.  And you know what?  He happily agreed and compiled.

The kid could grab it from him and shoot himself/someone else.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3897 on: October 15, 2015, 01:07:32 PM »
ksudub, do/did you ever let your kids play with other peoples kids at their houses?

It's okay to have a conversation with the people whom you are entrusting with your child about the safety of your child. 

My friend's FIL is a real herp derp kinda gun guy, the kind of guy you all are scared to death of.  My friend told him he won't bring his son to visit unless everything is locked up or on his person.  And you know what?  He happily agreed and compiled.

The kid could grab it from him and shoot himself/someone else.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3898 on: October 15, 2015, 01:07:52 PM »
You never know when the Obamacare fema deathcamp workers will come for you


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #3899 on: October 15, 2015, 01:08:17 PM »
Your friends FIL might be one of those mental illness problems that you should report
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