Another school shooting

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.

I really, really find the "the genie's already out of the bottle" issue to be true.  The amount of guns in this country make comparisons to other countries completely apples and oranges.  That said, if we start getting serious about ammunition, then that is negated to some degree.

Maybe, but I don't think driving up the price of ammo, through taxation or regulation, would do anything except encourage a huge black market for ammo. Think Prohibition.

[michigancat]

Libtard statists love them some unfounded bureaucracy to further their police state. Fear mongering to the masses to push gun control; they've evolved into their own Dick Cheney characiture. It's quite hilarious, and pathetic.

I would like less spying on citizens in the name of terrorism reduction. It's a far higher priority for me than gun control. To me, it's a more important right, too.

I'm sure you do. The spying thing is ostensibly working, so ditch that.

Is it?

[steve dave]

A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

[michigancat]

A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Yeah not to go too far off topic, but I am also skeptical of our nation's broad powers to spy on citizens. I don't lose much sleep over it because I'm not doing any wrong, but I don't like the path we're heading down.

On a related point, I really don't like how the FBI and USAGs seem to spend so much time and money baiting people into attempting terrorism, and then they brag about how they foiled a terrorist attack - that they pretty much concocted by themselves. The recent Wichita airport case comes to mind. They really seem to be crossing the "entrapment" line - not that judges have ever given much credence to that - and I'm skeptical it's really increasing our security.

[Emo EMAW]

A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

I'm willing to compromise and I'm an NRA member/supporter.  So boom your theory is crap canned!

[steve dave]

Yeah not to go too far off topic, but I am also skeptical of our nation's broad powers to spy on citizens. I don't lose much sleep over it because I'm not doing any wrong, but I don't like the path we're heading down.

On a related point, I really don't like how the FBI and USAGs seem to spend so much time and money baiting people into attempting terrorism, and then they brag about how they foiled a terrorist attack - that they pretty much concocted by themselves. The recent Wichita airport case comes to mind. They really seem to be crossing the "entrapment" line - not that judges have ever given much credence to that - and I'm skeptical it's really increasing our security.

let the record show KSUDub and steve dave are in full agreement here. 

[michigancat]

A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

I'm willing to compromise and I'm an NRA member/supporter.  So boom your theory is crap canned!

So what do you propose we do to reduce firearm deaths?

[michigancat]

Yeah not to go too far off topic, but I am also skeptical of our nation's broad powers to spy on citizens. I don't lose much sleep over it because I'm not doing any wrong, but I don't like the path we're heading down.

On a related point, I really don't like how the FBI and USAGs seem to spend so much time and money baiting people into attempting terrorism, and then they brag about how they foiled a terrorist attack - that they pretty much concocted by themselves. The recent Wichita airport case comes to mind. They really seem to be crossing the "entrapment" line - not that judges have ever given much credence to that - and I'm skeptical it's really increasing our security.

let the record show KSUDub and steve dave are in full agreement here. 

same

[DQ12]

But again, the only solution to that would be a massive effort to confiscate/buy back guns kinda like Australia tried, and that's not gonna happen. Even if it did, it would take decades to filter out guns, and most of those guns would be forfeited by law abiding people. The guns are here. The genie is out of the bottle. I suspect that solutions that focus more on prevention and mental illness might be more effective.

I really, really find the "the genie's already out of the bottle" issue to be true.  The amount of guns in this country make comparisons to other countries completely apples and oranges.  That said, if we start getting serious about ammunition, then that is negated to some degree.

Maybe, but I don't think driving up the price of ammo, through taxation or regulation, would do anything except encourage a huge black market for ammo. Think Prohibition.

OK, using a "black market" boogeyman as an argument is ridiculous.  There's a pretty thriving black market for basically every sort of illegal drug, but that doesn't mean that we should leave heroin unchecked.

I'm actually pretty bullish on 2A rights, fwiw, but I also recognize that our first world super power of a nation has a bit of a problem with our disproportionate rate of gun violence, and that that's a problem worth trying to solve.

[Emo EMAW]

A lot of people are spending a lot of time, money, and energy fighting for the "do nothing" side of this thing. If everyone was using their time spent telling the other side "THAT WON'T WORK!" on working on something they believe would work we may eventually get somewhere.

People in this thread mentioned grounds for compromise that were instantly disregarded without consideration.  I perceive that compromise on this issue is not an option.

I'm not 100% certain this thread is going to solve this problem descartes. I mean, WE COULD MAYBE, but probably it's going to have to be argued on a larger stage. BUT MAYBE NOT?

The only people not willing to compromise are NRA supporters. I'd be willing to compromise on just about anything I've proposed as I solve the problem.

I'm willing to compromise and I'm an NRA member/supporter.  So boom your theory is crap canned!

So what do you propose we do to reduce firearm deaths?

Bring in a bunch of Russian brides for these losers who feel the need shoot up people because they're too weird to have a real girl friend.

[mocat]

that sounds an awful lot like not compromising, emo emaw

[Emo EMAW]

My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

[michigancat]

My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

OK, what do you want in exchange for mandatory education on firearm safety for everyone that buys a gun?

[steve dave]

My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

good grief

[star seed 7]

Compromise!

[Emo EMAW]

My idea of compromise was:

ok you wanna try some stuff, okay, but only if we get some stuff, too

Let them specify what they want to try, and we/I specify what we'd have to have to agree to it.

OK, what do you want in exchange for mandatory education on firearm safety for everyone that buys a gun?

A drastic expansion of the P-R Act to include damn near everything when it comes to outdoor gear.  Like, if you can buy it at REI, it should be included.

[mocat]

please do not use acronyms ITT

[puniraptor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act

strange, but ok deal

[Emo EMAW]

See guys this is easy! 

[star seed 7]

What's an rei

[puniraptor]

i will consider taking some small step to protect human life BUT ONLY if you tax backpacks, socks, and toe shoes and give the money to baby ducks.

[puniraptor]

What's an rei

its where north face soft shells come from

[star seed 7]

How much tax on tents would it take Emo to fully ban guns? I'd be willing to compromise here

[puniraptor]

i thought the training thing would be a no brainer, because it would also make the gun owners more efficient killers. everybody wins

its the implied registration that is a deal breaker for them