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[Cartierfor3]

At Father's day brunch, my mom told me that her high school (Raytown South) used the Confederate flag at football games, since they were Raytown South. Also they played some dixie song as their fight song.

[8manpick]

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[star seed 7]

At Father's day brunch, my mom told me that her high school (Raytown South) used the Confederate flag at football games, since they were Raytown South. Also they played some dixie song as their fight song.

This is so missouri

[420seriouscat69]

At Father's day brunch, my mom told me that her high school (Raytown South) used the Confederate flag at football games, since they were Raytown South. Also they played some dixie song as their fight song.

This is so missouri our parents generation.

fyp

[star seed 7]

No, it's more Missourian

[Dugout DickStone]

No, it's more Missourian

Exactly.  I didn't attend Olathe South but I bet they didn't trot the confederate flag out at homecoming games.

[mocat]

Debated this thread or political Facebook thread

yeah, what's the big deal? 

[8manpick]

Debated this thread or political Facebook thread

yeah, what's the big deal? 

I mean, if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

[Spracne]

The Confederate Battle Flag is not about racism.  The vast majority of those who fought for the South in the civil war weren't fighting for slavery.  They did not own slaves, and they would never be wealthy enough to be able to participate in the enterprise.  What they were fighting for was freedom from northern encroachment into their self-governance.

If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.  So, who decides which symbolic meanings should be attached to these flags?

For many Southerners, the Confederate Battle Flag is a nod to their past and a symbol of their rebellious spirit.  The displaying of the flag does not represent a true act of sedition, since those who fly it have been fully assimilated into the modern Republican Party. 

[michigancat]

If we banned the public display of the flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of oppression or even murder in the name of white supremacy, would you also support the Native Americans if they were to bring a cause against the American Flag as a symbol of the same?  Remember that the Union troops were flying Old Glory as they struck out West, slaughtering and displacing native groups with extreme prejudice.

I would be OK with this.

[sys]

if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

no, it means that if a person has died, there is a 1 in 167 chance that the person was murdered.

[mocat]

if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

no, it means that if a person has died, there is a 1 in 167 chance that the person was murdered.

what percent of people die sys?

[8manpick]

if the graphic on the left is true, it means people have a 1 in 167 chance of being murdered, which seems high

no, it means that if a person has died, there is a 1 in 167 chance that the person was murdered.

Seems high regardless

[sys]

Seems high regardless

yes, it does.

[sys]

what percent of people die sys?

0% of everyone currently living.


undoubtedly, the graph misrepresents the data.

[sys]

looked it up.  it's just annual death data, so exactly the misrepresentation you'd expect.  0.6% sounds high, but it works out to about 15k, which doesn't (at least to me).  so basically, fewer people die in the us than what i would have guessed (or my brain doesn't process small %s well).

[0.42]

For many Southerners, the Confederate Battle Flag is a nod to their past and a symbol of their rebellious spirit.

also racism

[0.42]

It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.

[Spracne]

It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.

It's pretty simple.  You wanna burn my American flag? I'm gonna raise the stars n bars up that middle finger called a flagpole.

[0.42]

It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.

It's pretty simple.  You wanna burn my American flag? I'm gonna raise the stars n bars up that middle finger called a flagpole.

wait who are you imitating here

did you get a gpc sub

[Spracne]

It's simple. This is the year of our lord 2015. You can talk about a rebellious spirit and "heritage" all you want. But there is more than enough material out there to tell you exactly what that flag means to black people. And there's more than enough material to tell you that it only resurfaced precisely because of a racist reaction to the Civil Rights movement. And no, it's not the same thing as the US flag. Plenty of horrendous things have been done in the name of Ol' Glory, but it wasn't unearthed specifically as a way to terrorize an entire race that was trying to fight for the civil rights owed to them.

So if you willfully fly that flag in 2015, you can protest how much you aren't a racist, but it is damn near the equivalent of "I have black friends tho." If you're flying it, you're well aware of the horrors it represents, and you're (at the very least, subconsciously) a racist bad person. So don't try and insult our intelligence. Either take it down or rough ridin' own your racism so all of your neighbors can know just how much of a crap human being you are.

It's pretty simple.  You wanna burn my American flag? I'm gonna raise the stars n bars up that middle finger called a flagpole.

wait who are you imitating here

did you get a gpc sub

I'm proud of my country and constitution. My right to display the flag is protected by the first amendment. You flag - burning liberals should be hanged.

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[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I thought this was a debate about whether to fly the confederate flag over the statehouse. I'm not Ok with that. Then I learned that the flag actually flies over a Confederate war memorial located on the statehouse grounds. Seems fine to me. Is this going to be the latest bullshit "10 Commandments" issue everyone gets all bent out of shape over?

[steve dave]

seems fine to me

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So, we can have a Confederate war memorial, but it can't include a Confederate flag? Or should the memorial not be on public land? Or should there not be a war memorial, period? I need someone more enlightened than me to parse this out.