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« Reply #1325 on: January 18, 2013, 08:15:53 PM »
:) no...  we're only counting the portions of Europe that people count when they say EU has lower gun violence then us...   That would be everyone but Eastern Europe.  If they get to be hypocrites, then so do I.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1326 on: January 18, 2013, 10:48:32 PM »
Are the victims of terrorism any less dead?  I mean WTF?!

No, but I don't see your point. You would have a point if terrorists were committing mass shootings in the US, but there is no political motivation behind these shootings.

My point being:  we (our govt) should spend their time/money/political capital on those things that:

1.  Would have the largest impact, and
2.  Are easy to implement

This isn't exactly a new idea.  Corporations the world over operate like that.

That being said, gun violence is small potatoes compared to things like texting while driving, drunk driving, suicide, and a few others.

Last I checked, the government is already doing far more to stop texting while driving and drunk driving than they are gun violence.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1327 on: January 18, 2013, 11:57:57 PM »
everyone but Eastern Europe.

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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1328 on: January 19, 2013, 12:15:26 AM »

Yeah, I am trolling you a little but.  And you've been biting pretty hard.  It's only made my argument stronger while simultaneously weakening yours though, so it's been fun

Which argument of mine have you made weaker?

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« Reply #1329 on: January 19, 2013, 09:23:09 AM »
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« Reply #1330 on: January 19, 2013, 09:39:29 AM »

Yeah, I am trolling you a little but.  And you've been biting pretty hard.  It's only made my argument stronger while simultaneously weakening yours though, so it's been fun

Which argument of mine have you made weaker?

Basically you freaking about any policy not doing anything.  I would just like it if people that talked about these issues would put the cultural struggles we have at the top of the list - rather than what law can make change.  There's already something like 350 federal laws restricting guns and I don't see how anyone can take any of them seriously and still acknowledge that over the last 60 years we've gone from averaging 4-5 murders per 100,000 to over 10 murders per 100,000 back down to 4-5 murders per; with most of the major gun policy changes occurring either halfway up the trend line or several years after murder rates were already trending down.  Maybe this wouldn't be so irritating if Hollywood wouldn't put out videos about demanding action, but instead everyone talked about what anger is and why it happens.  Most people have no concept of how basic human emotion works and they're completely flabbergasted at the thought that their pissed off rant of why dumb ass rednecks should have their guns ripped away from them is really no different - on the emotional spectrum - that some deranged person goes through when they kill a class full of children. 

Why can't education have a bigger impact than gun policy?  It doesn't have the same fundamental flaws than imposing law after a response to irrational emotional behavior.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1331 on: January 19, 2013, 10:54:13 AM »
Basically you freaking about any policy not doing anything.  I would just like it if people that talked about these issues would put the cultural struggles we have at the top of the list - rather than what law can make change.

Why can't education have a bigger impact than gun policy?  It doesn't have the same fundamental flaws than imposing law after a response to irrational emotional behavior.

Hey, bud. The article I linked that you didn't read suggested making education a major part of gun policy. Has education ever been a part of gun policy? I know training is required for hunters, but I don't believe any education or licensing is required just to own a gun anywhere in the US. Is policy that requires an individual to take a training course before they purchase a gun the same thing as violence, (as you so reasonably suggested)?

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A criminal background check would be only the start of an evaluation for ownership of these types of weapons, which I believe should include both magazine-fed rifles and magazine-fed handguns, such as used at Virginia Tech, in which a shooter managed to kill almost 30 people in about 10 minutes. These weapons should be restricted to adults over age 21 (or possibly older – Israel restricts possession to 27 if the owner has not served in the military). Sale should require gun safety training certification that is provided by law enforcement (I have received such training and it is useful), or a history of military service, and a subsequent license to own such weapons. These licenses should require renewal every three to five years with repetition of criminal background check, and verification that the weapons are still in the licensee’s possession.

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« Reply #1332 on: January 19, 2013, 12:20:26 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1333 on: January 19, 2013, 12:22:47 PM »
It's become quite clear that the solution is more guns, not less. Thanks to everyone for participating in this discussion.

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« Reply #1334 on: January 19, 2013, 12:25:27 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

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« Reply #1335 on: January 19, 2013, 12:30:21 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

Why? I see nothing wrong with forcing people to be educated on how  to properly use something that can kill others when misused (guns, cars, etc.).
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Re: Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1336 on: January 19, 2013, 12:36:16 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Thoughts on mandatory lawnmower or power tool training?  Mandatory education before you can buy liquor?  Alcohol accounts for as much death and tragedy in this country in a single day as guns do in an entire year. Maybe longer.

How about education before you can have children? If there's anything that ought to require a license, that's got to be it.


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« Reply #1337 on: January 19, 2013, 12:40:25 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1338 on: January 19, 2013, 12:41:05 PM »
Its impossible to have rational conversations about anything with FSD running around.  I'm impressed by the patience of anyone that tries.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1339 on: January 19, 2013, 12:47:53 PM »
Its impossible to have rational conversations about anything with FSD running around.  I'm impressed by the patience of anyone that tries.

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« Reply #1340 on: January 19, 2013, 12:51:24 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Maybe if we required everyone to buy car insurance more than 2/3 of drivers would carry it . . . wait a second. . ..!!!

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1341 on: January 19, 2013, 12:55:57 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Pretty naive, I guess.

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« Reply #1342 on: January 19, 2013, 01:00:24 PM »
I think there's much more benefit in a mutual decision to enter into education without any manipulation - as in, you can't do this until you get this license.  It would take a complete paradigm shift to pull off with drivers licenses, but yes, I do think it would be possible to have safe roads without mandating licensing. Certainly no more dangerous than they can be now.  One of the first mindsets that would have to change is accepting the consequences of your own actions.  I'm not suggesting ending speed limits or police DUI checks,because those consequences are precisely what prompts education.  honestly - did you really learn anything in drivers Ed? Or did you learn through experiences of driving too fast, getting warnings/tickets etc.  could be the same deal with all weapons; (nothing required, because people are good at learning info for just long enough to past a test) but being a proponent of constant awareness.  I'm really not proposing anything more than speaking truthfully loudly and often enough that it becomes second nature.  I know for a fact it would work - how else would you explain liberals and conservatives spouting off with conflicting "facts" of why more guns or less guns equals less violence.  People are trained easily,  I'm just suggesting a change in dialogue. 

But anyway,  it's a beautiful day and ill be off my phone for the remainder of it.  Go cats!
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1343 on: January 19, 2013, 03:25:33 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Maybe if we required everyone to buy car insurance more than 2/3 of drivers would carry it . . . wait a second. . ..!!!



You think 66% of the public would buy car insurance if not required to by law?

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1347 on: January 20, 2013, 12:55:44 PM »
I meant more anger management education.  But sorry I didn't read your link.  I have a problem with forcing education on people though, so it also seems to be a double edges sword.

You have to pass a test to operate a vehicle, which is essentially forcing people to educate themselves. Would you prefer we stop making driver's tests mandatory for people operating a vehicle?

And do you think anger management education could help with gun deaths, but not gun safety education?

Every day I drive I'm reminded that whatever education is required to hey a DL is totally useless. I think you're hurting yourself here.

Do you think roads would be safer if driver's licenses weren't required to drive?

Nothing would be different, ya goon. How naive are you?

Maybe if we required everyone to buy car insurance more than 2/3 of drivers would carry it . . . wait a second. . ..!!!



You think 66% of the public would buy car insurance if not required to by law?

Probably.  You've got it backwards anyways. 


What percent of mass murderers would not commit mass murder if they had to take a test about which part of the gun was the action, and had to answer true or false whether a gun should be used to kill innocent children before getting their "gun license"?

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1348 on: January 22, 2013, 01:17:04 PM »
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Multiple-People-Reportedly-Shot-at-Lone-Star-College-in-Houston-187915451.html

Multiple People Reportedly Shot at Lone Star College in Houston

The North Harris campus of Lone Star College in Houston is on lockdown and students are advised to shelter in place after a shooting has been reported on campus.

KPRC-TV in Houston reports multiple people were shot shortly after noon Tuesday, though officials have not said how many victims there are or what the severity of their injuries may be.

The Associated Press reports that multiple people are injured.

Constables told KPRC that one person has been detained, though they have not said if that person is the shooter.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #1349 on: January 22, 2013, 01:18:14 PM »
Constables?