OFFICIAL: Welcome Michael Orris to K-State thread!

[Dr Rick Daris]

If you want to believe that his last 6 years at Illinois definitively proves he is a failure as a high major head coach you have that choice. While I have been consistent in stating that several of those years are a concern, they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game. And I won't just assume everything he does is doomed to failure. I believe its possible to learn from the mistakes he's made in the 2-3 bad years he's had in a much longer head coaching career.

the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.

[WillieWatanabe]

absolute horrific hire!

[Belvis Noland]

the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.

I wouldn't say absolutely horrific.  He went to 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT in last 6 years (5 straight NCAAs + 4 conference championships in previous 6).  Isolating the past 6 years, Weber was very underwhelming.  No question.  But, let's reserve "absolutely horrific" for coaches like Jim Wooldridge (5 winning seasons & 1 post season since 1991) or teams like the Kansas City Royals.

Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk.  He looks pretty solid.  Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well.  eff, Pitt offered him.  For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.         

[michigancat]

I don't know how you could know that Ron Prince couldn't hack it in 2.5 years but think oscar Weber's nine years at Illinois aren't enough to know if he can hack it.

Its been discussed, but I'll repeat what I've already said.

Honestly, I don't think those are comparable at all. Making the comparison to an inexperienced head coach with a massive ego that ran off his best assistants is a reach. No doubt Weber has made plenty mistakes, but they aren't anywhere near what Prince made and Prince never had anything similar to the success Weber had.

Yet both coaches finished their tenures with horrendous teams that quit on them. If anything, I would guess Prince would be more likely to learn from his mistakes than the 55 year old who thinks his team quit on him because the AD didn't give him a good vote of confidence.

[CNS]

the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.

I wouldn't say absolutely horrific.  He went to 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT in last 6 years (5 straight NCAAs + 4 conference championships in previous 6).  Isolating the past 6 years, Weber was very underwhelming.  No question.  But, let's reserve "absolutely horrific" for coaches like Jim Wooldridge (5 winning seasons & 1 post season since 1991) or teams like the Kansas City Royals.

Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk.  He looks pretty solid.  Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well.  eff, Pitt offered him.  For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.         

Wooly doesn't deserve to be pinned up there with the Royals.  Just wrong. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.

I wouldn't say absolutely horrific.  He went to 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT in last 6 years (5 straight NCAAs + 4 conference championships in previous 6).  Isolating the past 6 years, Weber was very underwhelming.  No question.  But, let's reserve "absolutely horrific" for coaches like Jim Wooldridge (5 winning seasons & 1 post season since 1991) or teams like the Kansas City Royals.

Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk.  He looks pretty solid.  Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well.  eff, Pitt offered him.  For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.         

what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.

also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?

[Belvis Noland]

Wooly doesn't deserve to be pinned up there with the Royals.  Just wrong.

I wish it weren't so.  But, we have to accept it.  Actually worse than Wooldridge, the Boys n Blue have only 4 winning seasons and 0 postseason appearances since 1991. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk.  He looks pretty solid.  Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well.  eff, Pitt offered him.  For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.         

oh also would like to add that i'll be very happy with the orris signing if he ends up becoming the all time leading scorer in k-state history like some other unheralded 3* out of illinois. 

[Belvis Noland]

what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.

also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?

If Gray isn't a qualifying risk, my feelings would be that I'd rather have Gray.  I already said that.  If Pitt didn't offer him, that makes me think he's less quality of a player.  I mean, I've watched about 30 seconds of him draining 3s in a youtube highlight video.  I, like everybody else, adjudge the quality of our recruits by rivals stars and by high major offers.  If Jamie Dixon offered him, that makes me think he's quality.  If Dixon didn't offer him and it was between us and Nebraska, I obviously think less of the kid's talent level.

And regarding Prince, I guess I don't get your point.  Is it that coaches can't learn from their mistakes and improve?  Especially later in life?  I don't follow other colleges close enough to give a host of examples of coaches having some crap seasons and then improving.  I guess I'd just point to Snyder and Paterno because they are the most obvious. 

After a ton of success, JoePa crap the bed from 2000 - 2004, going to only 1 bowl game in 5 seasons with a couple 9th place finishes in 2003, 2004.  Then, in 2005 he went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl.  I don't know what he changed, but at 78 years old, he changed something.     

[slimz]

I'm not sure how I feel about hiring the Joe Paterno of college basketball. 

[kso_FAN]

what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.

also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?

If Gray isn't a qualifying risk, my feelings would be that I'd rather have Gray.  I already said that.  If Pitt didn't offer him, that makes me think he's less quality of a player.  I mean, I've watched about 30 seconds of him draining 3s in a youtube highlight video.  I, like everybody else, adjudge the quality of our recruits by rivals stars and by high major offers.  If Jamie Dixon offered him, that makes me think he's quality.  If Dixon didn't offer him and it was between us and Nebraska, I obviously think less of the kid's talent level.

And regarding Prince, I guess I don't get your point.  Is it that coaches can't learn from their mistakes and improve?  Especially later in life?  I don't follow other colleges close enough to give a host of examples of coaches having some crap seasons and then improving.  I guess I'd just point to Snyder and Paterno because they are the most obvious. 

After a ton of success, JoePa crap the bed from 2000 - 2004, going to only 1 bowl game in 5 seasons with a couple 9th place finishes in 2003, 2004.  Then, in 2005 he went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl.  I don't know what he changed, but at 78 years old, he changed something.     

Good points.

I think at this point the "camps" that are established are just going to continue to talk past one another. Its not like we are going to change each other's mind. Only seeing the season play out next year will have any effect, but even that will be minimal. I think this appears to be the BBSing state we're going to be in for a while, at least regarding basketball. It was similar in football until last year's fantastic season, but I don't anticipate one good basketball season having the same effect.

I'm good with that and I understand it, but I have to continue to prep myself for it.

[michigancat]

Maybe getting rid of Jerrance Howard was just the change Weber needed. Who knows?

[WillieWatanabe]

Maybe getting rid of Jerrance Howard was just the change Weber needed. Who knows?

i can just see the smile on Rusty's face(I can't) as he hit enter on this zinger.

[kso_FAN]

Maybe getting rid of Jerrance Howard was just the change Weber needed. Who knows?

Maybe it was.

[MakeItRain]

what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.

also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?

If Gray isn't a qualifying risk, my feelings would be that I'd rather have Gray.  I already said that.  If Pitt didn't offer him, that makes me think he's less quality of a player.  I mean, I've watched about 30 seconds of him draining 3s in a youtube highlight video.  I, like everybody else, adjudge the quality of our recruits by rivals stars and by high major offers.  If Jamie Dixon offered him, that makes me think he's quality.  If Dixon didn't offer him and it was between us and Nebraska, I obviously think less of the kid's talent level.

And regarding Prince, I guess I don't get your point.  Is it that coaches can't learn from their mistakes and improve?  Especially later in life?  I don't follow other colleges close enough to give a host of examples of coaches having some crap seasons and then improving.  I guess I'd just point to Snyder and Paterno because they are the most obvious. 

After a ton of success, JoePa crap the bed from 2000 - 2004, going to only 1 bowl game in 5 seasons with a couple 9th place finishes in 2003, 2004.  Then, in 2005 he went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl.  I don't know what he changed, but at 78 years old, he changed something.     

Good points.

I think at this point the "camps" that are established are just going to continue to talk past one another. Its not like we are going to change each other's mind. Only seeing the season play out next year will have any effect, but even that will be minimal. I think this appears to be the BBSing state we're going to be in for a while, at least regarding basketball. It was similar in football until last year's fantastic season, but I don't anticipate one good basketball season having the same effect.

I'm good with that and I understand it, but I have to continue to prep myself for it.

There aren't camps, there's plenty of middle ground.  Acknowledging Weber had some good seasons but being concerned with his trend and his poor first month on the job here doesn't put one polar opposite than what you're advocating.

[pissclams]

some of you have very unique ways to say "welcome to k-state, michael orris"

unless you're just so butthurt that you can't keep the "oscar weber is an absolutely horrific hire" comments contained to every other thread on this board.

[Winters]

some of you have very unique ways to say "welcome to k-state, michael orris"

unless you're just so butthurt you can't keep the "oscar weber is an absolutely horrific hire" comments contained to every other thread on this board.

Yeah, you could probably still park a buick in me, so i'm fine with your post here.

[J]

OMG oscar 

[sys]

eff, Pitt offered him.   

no they didn't.  what a stupid thing to say.

[Trim]

I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.

but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing?  it is imo. 
phil pressey 

meh

what about a poor man's peyton siva

pass first!  fist pump second!

He’s a pure point guard and fits everything you want in the position. He’s an excellent passer, knows how to play and is very competitive.

http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-05-08/weber-says-orris-will-be-great-addition-k-state

[sys]

they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game.

he's been a head coach for more than a decade.  if you can't judge him now, how are five years a kstate going to tilt the scales?  stop saying you're giving him a chance.  you aren't giving him a chance, you're supporting him.

[yosh]

they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game.

he's been a head coach for more than a decade.  if you can't judge him now, how are five years a kstate going to tilt the scales?  stop saying you're giving him a chance.  you aren't giving him a chance, you're supporting him.

Angry Sys is the worst by product of the Weber hire.  Makes me sad.  

[ChiComCat]

I'm still waiting for Keady to endorse Orris

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[Bill Clarahan]

I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.

but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing?  it is imo. 
phil pressey 

meh

what about a poor man's peyton siva

pass first!  fist pump second!

He’s a pure point guard and fits everything you want in the position. He’s an excellent passer, knows how to play and is very competitive.

http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-05-08/weber-says-orris-will-be-great-addition-k-state

Damn!  He sounds like a really ugly blind date

[Bill Clarahan]

I'm still waiting for Keady to endorse Orris

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eff Keady, if you know anything about Keady at all, you know he's a giant horses ass