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Michael! Welcome to the KSU go cats purple wildcat growl family.
Three pieces of advice:
1. Keep both eyes on Will Spradling. He steals.
2. Do NOT take Physics, Take Physical World ("P World"), it's way easier.
3. Bring flip flops for the community showers. I got two planters warts on the bottom of my foot my freshman year. They hurt really bad.
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we're balling so hard right now
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Michael! Welcome to the KSU go cats purple wildcat growl family.
Three pieces of advice:
1. Keep both eyes on Will Spradling. He steals.
2. Do NOT take Physics, Take Physical World ("P World"), it's way easier.
3. Bring flip flops for the community showers. I got two planters warts on the bottom of my foot my freshman year. They hurt really bad.
planters warts are the devil!
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WAAAAAALDCAAAAAAATTS!!!!!!!!
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Of all the recruits we were looking at, I'm glad we landed Orris. Seems like a good kid and a hard worker. Will give 110%
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Way to steal my shine :cry:
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KABOOM!!!! CHA-CHING!!
WELCOME TO THE PURPLE TRAIN MICHAEL ORRIS.
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So who got Franked? :dunno:
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My butt is starting to hurt. :frown:
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My butt is starting to hurt. :frown:
Sometimes once a muscle has been pulled, it is easier to re-injure it.
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Smart guy. I enjoyed talking to him a few times.
Here's what he had to say about the end of his senior season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHjOVK9xA8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHjOVK9xA8)
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Three other Orris interview videos:
at United Center (UNLV game, half time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfRXwRbzvdU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfRXwRbzvdU)
Breaking down the Illini season opener
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TuWBfcqlc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TuWBfcqlc)
During his recruitment, at an Illini open practice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_L_wxFOhY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_L_wxFOhY)
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skinhead neonazi.
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eff me
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He's got the Bob Strawn seal of approval.
tmcats
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Re: Michael Orris
watching linked tape on him, um, he looks pretty damn good to me. perhaps he's the wrong color? emaw.
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He's got the Bob Strawn seal of approval.
tmcats
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watching linked tape on him, um, he looks pretty damn good to me. perhaps he's the wrong color? emaw.
God, Bob is such a :opcat:
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WAY TO GO oscar. WELCOME ORRIS!!! CAN I CALL YOU "M DADDY"??????
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fml
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Is it . . . orr-is it
Huh, huh . . .
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Just got done watching his "highlight" real. He can dish it, likes to knife through the D, but can't dunk. :cry: His 3 ball looked ok on film. Pretty much spradling 2.0. He moves better than spradling and passes better, but still spradling.
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God rough ridin' damnit. oscar passed on Josh "Give ME the rough ridin' ball, it's motherfucking time crap on bitches" Gray? rough ridin' eff oscar. rough rider.
Just remembered that.
So no. NOT welcome Orris. eff you oscar. :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:
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Way to steal my shine :cry:
this isn't about you, you selfish bastard.
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I'm not that upset.
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Michael! Welcome to the KSU go cats purple wildcat growl family.
Three pieces of advice:
1. Keep both eyes on Will Spradling. He steals.
2. Do NOT take Physics, Take Physical World ("P World"), it's way easier.
3. Bring flip flops for the community showers. I got two planters warts on the bottom of my foot my freshman year. They hurt really bad.
Another tip: Do NOT take Chemistry. Take "The Chemical World". It's way easier.
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I will openly cheer on Gray in the Gray V. Orris matchups.
OPENLY
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Perhaps more of a pg than Will.
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skinhead neonazi.
Yep, he hates Jews.
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So what's this physical world class you speak of?
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So what's this physical world class you speak of?
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It's a physics class without the math.
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Yep. nothing wrong with a smart ball handler that knows how and where to pass. He looks pretty intelligent too.
he looks very smart, like Will
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Good god. I mean, "Looks intelligent..." and didn't TMCats used to be mayor? JFC. How long until there is some sort of documentary on Manhattan?
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Good god. I mean, "Looks intelligent..." and didn't TMCats used to be mayor? JFC. How long until there is some sort of documentary on Manhattan?
bob didn't say that.
also bob sounds a lot like sys & russ in his ridicule of idiots that only compare athletes if they are the same race.
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Good god. I mean, "Looks intelligent..." and didn't TMCats used to be mayor? JFC. How long until there is some sort of documentary on Manhattan?
bob didn't say that.
also bob sounds a lot like sys in his ridicule of idiots that only compare athletes if they are the same race.
I know. I should have been more clear. Bob's post was copied above the "looks intelligent" one and made mention something to the effect of perhaps Orris is the wrong color. Bob took a slightly longer road, but still ended up in ImaRacistVille.
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the 'looks intelligent' thing sounds racist and was not posted by bob.
in bob's post he was defending a player based on his talent not his skin color - a position taken repeatedly on this site when comparing players.
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a position taken repeatedly on this site when comparing players.
Yes, this site and Bob are having a position orgy right now.
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Michael! Welcome to the KSU go cats purple wildcat growl family.
Three pieces of advice:
1. Keep both eyes on Will Spradling. He steals.
2. Do NOT take Physics, Take Physical World ("P World"), it's way easier.
3. Bring flip flops for the community showers. I got two planters warts on the bottom of my foot my freshman year. They hurt really bad.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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And so it begins.
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And so it begins.
Applying a mid-major model for success to a power conference team can't possible not work. Again. So ruthlessly mumped.
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And so it begins.
And so it begins.
Applying a mid-major model for success to a power conference team can't possible not work. Again. So ruthlessly mumped.
oh man, i love the delicious tears
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poster has enough of long racist Orris thread, starts his own Orris thread
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that guy had a pretty good career at Iowa State. Started for four years on some good teams. In regards to Orris. Just sayin...
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Orris reminds me of a coach's son.
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in bob's post he was defending a player based on his talent not his skin color - a position taken repeatedly on this site when comparing players.
i don't care if he agrees with me, i still hate that nazi eff.
btw, i agree with him just on the part that orris isn't bad because he's white. i disagree on the part where he said orris looks good (at basketball).
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Orris reminds me of a coach's son.
if the coach was a nazi, yeah. but where could you even find a school stupid enough to hire a recently-fired coach with a nazi past and tendencies?
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Of all the recruits we were looking at, I'm glad we landed Orris. Seems like a good kid and a hard worker. Will give 110%
Unfortunately if you have 50% as much talent as the other guy, giving 110% only leave you 55% as effective as your opponent....unless he too gives 110%, then look the eff out.
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would it be correct to say that orris got fired from his offer to illinois and ended up with an offer from ksu?
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Orris reminds me of a coach's son.
if the coach was a nazi, yeah. but where could you even find a school stupid enough to hire a recently-fired coach with a nazi past and tendencies?
sys, frank is a sorry piece of garbage. i didn't want to be the one to tell you, but apparently no one else is going to. so please, just stop.
signed,
kim
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Orris reminds me of a coach's son.
if the coach was a nazi, yeah. but where could you even find a school stupid enough to hire a recently-fired coach with a nazi past and tendencies?
sys, frank is a sorry piece of garbage. i didn't want to be the one to tell you, but apparently no one else is going to. so please, just stop.
signed,
kim
why was frank a sorry piece if garbage?
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why was frank a sorry piece if garbage?
won a lot, not a nazi, etc. just not a good fit.
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He was a filthy rotten liar who hated Kansas State University
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He was a filthy rotten liar who hated Kansas State University
why do you say that?
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Because it is so.
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Because it is so.
based on what?
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Because it is so.
based on what?
His demeanor.
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Because it is so.
based on what?
His demeanor.
what about his demeanor makes you know that "He was a filthy rotten liar who hated Kansas State University"?
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Because it is so.
based on what?
His demeanor.
what about his demeanor makes you know that "He was a filthy rotten liar who hated Kansas State University"?
I can't make you hate frank and I'm not going to try. I said he would take the first job out of here and I was right.
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Because it is so.
based on what?
His demeanor.
I can't make you hate frank and I'm not going to try. I said he would take the first job out of here and I was right.
that's cool, but what about his demeanor makes you know that "He was a filthy rotten liar who hated Kansas State University"? also, and not a point of our discussion, this was not his "first job out of here".
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Because it is so.
based on what?
His demeanor.
I can't make you hate frank and I'm not going to try. I said he would take the first job out of here and I was right.
that's cool, but what about his demeanor makes you know that "He was a filthy rotten liar who hated Kansas State University"? also, and not a point of our discussion, this was not his "first job out of here".
Who else offered? Isn't this the first job offered remotely close to MIA?
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Judging from the videos, I'd say Orris is very well spoken.
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Judging from the videos, I'd say Orris is very well spoken.
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Judging from the videos, I'd say Orris is very well spoken.
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Pittsburgh offer had got to be making the Jamie Dixon fans #butthurt
Welcome M.orris
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Pittsburgh offer had got to be making the Jamie Dixon fans #butthurt
Welcome M.orris
:lol: pitt didn't offer, dumbass.
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Pittsburgh offer had got to be making the Jamie Dixon fans #butthurt
Welcome M.orris
:lol: pitt didn't offer, dumbass.
Rivals says it did, but they get paid for their info so what do they know
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Rivals says it did, but they get paid for their info so what do they know
they just fired the guy who was supposed to ensure certain standards of quality and hired a 17 year old twitter phenom, so maybe they know something.
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FSD must be the guy who got pissed at me on gopo when I said the Kentucky offer listed for JO isn't valid because even if Billy G did offer JO there is no way Cal would have. The dude was so pissed and accused me of calling players liars.
Also remember when that one football player from Nevada tricked Rivals into thinking that he not only had a bunch of Pac 10 offers but he actually signed with Cal? I remember!
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FSD must be the guy who got pissed at me on gopo when I said the Kentucky offer listed for JO isn't valid because even if Billy G did offer JO there is no way Cal would have. The dude was so pissed and accused me of calling players liars.
Also remember when that one football player from Nevada tricked Rivals into thinking that he not only had a bunch of Pac 10 offers but he actually signed with Cal? I remember!
No, and not the same situation.
I had a feeling the #butthurt would be strong with the Pitt offer. Per usual, SD hits the nail on the head.
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FSD, if you think kids making up offers isn't part of the game, you're pretty naive. That said, I have no idea if Dixon offered but it seems doubtful
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People seem to like ESPN recruit grades.
Orris - 89
Angel - 90
Will - 88
Tay - 86
Rod - 89
Jake - 93
Josh Gray - 91
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I don't know if Pitt offered, but they were recruiting him. I don't doubt the claim of a visit. Pitt is still active in recruiting a '12 guard. FWIW.
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People seem to like ESPN recruit grades.
Orris - 89
Angel - 90
Will - 88
Tay - 86
Rod - 89
Jake - 93
Josh Gray - 91
:ck:
I don't know if Pitt offered, but they were recruiting him. I don't doubt the claim of a visit. Pitt is still active in recruiting a '12 guard. FWIW.
This gives me more optimism, thanks _FAN.
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People seem to like ESPN recruit grades.
Orris - 89
Angel - 90
Will - 88
Tay - 86
Rod - 89
Jake - 93
Josh Gray - 91
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I don't know if Pitt offered, but they were recruiting him. I don't doubt the claim of a visit. Pitt is still active in recruiting a '12 guard. FWIW.
95 :frown:
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This gives me more optimism, thanks _FAN.
I don't know how good he is, but I don't think he's a completely terrible signing. He's much better than the defensive minded PF (rated 85).
Based on his various recruiting ratings its not out of the question that Orris won't develop into a pretty decent Big 12 caliber guard.
And the comparison with Will is too easy and simplistic. Not fair to either player.
JMHO.
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People seem to like ESPN recruit grades.
Orris - 89
Angel - 90
Will - 88
Tay - 86
Rod - 89
Jake - 93
Josh Gray - 91
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I don't know if Pitt offered, but they were recruiting him. I don't doubt the claim of a visit. Pitt is still active in recruiting a '12 guard. FWIW.
This gives me more optimism, thanks _FAN.
if an espn recruiting ranking gives you optimism, what was the source of your previous concern? fwiw, freely admitting to being caught by, and within, the wave of butthurt is a big first step.
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Nothing I'd seen on Orris impressed me. ESPN recruiting ranking still isn't impressive per say, but just shows that there are knowledgeable people that think he could be worthwhile.
If you want to try to say butthurt as many times as possible, be my guest. But I went to a bunch of K-State games and defended their shitty basketball program when it was terrible. I don't think its ridiculous to be upset when the AD chases off the only coach who has known any success in my lifetime.
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I was kinda worried when I heard he was white, then I heard he looked intelligent so I felt alot better.
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I was kinda worried when I heard he was white, then I heard he looked intelligent so I felt alot better.
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Nothing I'd seen on Orris impressed me. ESPN recruiting ranking still isn't impressive per say, but just shows that there are knowledgeable people that think he could be worthwhile.
If you want to try to say butthurt as many times as possible, be my guest. But I went to a bunch of K-State games and defended their shitty basketball program when it was terrible. I don't think its ridiculous to be upset when the AD chases off the only coach who has known any success in my lifetime.
so are you admitting to the butthurt, or simply bitching because everyone else here is?
and thank you for permission to say butthurt a lot. in a perfect world (the one i live in), every butthurt post should be matched with a butthurt response.
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Nothing I'd seen on Orris impressed me. ESPN recruiting ranking still isn't impressive per say, but just shows that there are knowledgeable people that think he could be worthwhile.
If you want to try to say butthurt as many times as possible, be my guest. But I went to a bunch of K-State games and defended their shitty basketball program when it was terrible. I don't think its ridiculous to be upset when the AD chases off the only coach who has known any success in my lifetime.
so are you admitting to the butthurt, or simply bitching because everyone else here is?
and thank you for permission to say butthurt a lot. in a perfect world (the one i live in), every butthurt post should be matched with a butthurt response.
I'm more less sick of hearing butthurt as a response to every other post
I'm still pissed at what happened, so if that makes me butthurt in your eyes, than butthurt I am
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And the comparison with Will is too easy and simplistic. Not fair to either player.
JMHO.
Unfair comparisons are the best. You learn a lot about the person making the comparo and about the people who call it unfair. Win-win. :)
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Nothing I'd seen on Orris impressed me. ESPN recruiting ranking still isn't impressive per say, but just shows that there are knowledgeable people that think he could be worthwhile.
If you want to try to say butthurt as many times as possible, be my guest. But I went to a bunch of K-State games and defended their shitty basketball program when it was terrible. I don't think its ridiculous to be upset when the AD chases off the only coach who has known any success in my lifetime.
so are you admitting to the butthurt, or simply bitching because everyone else here is?
and thank you for permission to say butthurt a lot. in a perfect world (the one i live in), every butthurt post should be matched with a butthurt response.
I'm more less sick of hearing butthurt as a response to every other post
I'm still pissed at what happened, so if that makes me butthurt in your eyes, than butthurt I am
damn near every post here since that dreadful day that we lost frank has been bitching and crying about every aspect of our basketball dept.
no one outside of currie's office is happy with what went down and that includes me, someone who regularly criticized frank throughout his time in mhk.
some have chosen to accept our reality and move on, while others simply choose to continually take a negative viewpoint (and make a subsequent negative post) in response to every single thing that happens in the vicinity our basketball offices in the post frank era.
its like a bunch of 2 year olds who just had a lollypop ripped from their hands. standing there with their faces beet red and crying to no end. the continual negativity. negativity which i've chosen to attribute to being butthurt. sore. mad. call it whatever you want to.
it's pointless. currie has chosen the direction he's taking this program. you don't have to like it, you don't have to support it, but do we really need to criticize everything, in its entirety before you've given it a chance to play out? i'm as sick of typing butthurt as i am reading the butthurt posts.
this thread is about the fact that we just signed a top 100 kid. a measure under frank which would have been considered a success.
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:horrorsurprise:
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this thread is about the fact that we just signed a top 100 kid.
wut
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this thread is about the fact that we just signed a top 100 kid.
wut
LOL ya i meant his espn ranking.
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I don't know how the eff Limestone's name got in there, quoting function still gives me trouble :angry:
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People seem to like ESPN recruit grades.
Orris - 89
Angel - 90
Will - 88
Tay - 86
Rod - 89
Jake - 93
Josh Gray - 91
:ck:
I don't know if Pitt offered, but they were recruiting him. I don't doubt the claim of a visit. Pitt is still active in recruiting a '12 guard. FWIW.
89 means ESPN thinks he's a good mid-major prospect, fwiw.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=2639514 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=2639514)
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I'm not going to just sunshine pump if I'm not happy about the basketball program. I've posted some negative things but nothing that I think is unfair. I wouldn't consider orris a great get if Frank got him. I would've considered Gray a success if Weber got him. I don't think Orris is terrible, just tough to get excited about
Basketball needs to give me a reason to get hopeful because I cant find one. Gray would have worked. Spending over a month to put together a coaching staff is dogshit by any standards. I want to be hopeful, but there just isnt enough for me to work with right now. If you just want us to talk completely positive about our programs and try to PI anyone who disagrees, then just sell this thing to Fitz already and get it over with.
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If you just want us to talk completely positive about our programs and try to PI anyone who disagrees, then just sell this thing to Fitz already and get it over with.
Ironic.
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some have chosen to accept our reality and move on, while others simply choose to continually take a negative viewpoint (and make a subsequent negative post) in response to every single thing that happens in the vicinity our basketball offices in the post frank era.
it's pointless. currie has chosen the direction he's taking this program. you don't have to like it, you don't have to support it, but do we really need to criticize everything, in its entirety before you've given it a chance to play out? i'm as sick of typing butthurt as i am reading the butthurt posts.
if it's pointless or whatever, then what is the point of anything here? you typing butthurt after every post certainly wouldn't have a point, so why do you do it?
also, i personally won't accept anything that i don't think is worth accepting. that's pretty pathetic/laz. oh thanks cafeteria where i work at. the only food that you're serving from here on out is poop sandwiches with mustard? ok, guess i'll accept it. hey complaining co-worker, stop complaining. you're butthurt.
bottom line is, if you disagree with some of the negative stuff, then at least have a reason why. simply calling the negative person "butthurt" doesn't really do anything to disprove their argument.
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I was just telling Sabination last night how rick daris is always right. I'm glad to check in today to find out that is still accurate.
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This gives me more optimism, thanks _FAN.
I don't know how good he is, but I don't think he's a completely terrible signing. He's much better than the defensive minded PF (rated 85).
Based on his various recruiting ratings its not out of the question that Orris won't develop into a pretty decent Big 12 caliber guard.
And the comparison with Will is too easy and simplistic. Not fair to either player.
JMHO.
It's also possible to go the complete opposite way and completely ignore any similarities as to not look like a bigot. If its butthurt or unfair for me to point out that IMO they both appear to be pass first, limited guards with below average to average athleticism, then so be it. The challenge isn't in the fact that they're both white per se, it doesn't help distinguish them, the challenge is to not project the disappointment Will has been onto Orris. I can't get past the fact that I was more impressed with Will as a signee than Orris. Not sure if it was because I saw Will in person, or that Orris is a Weber signee, or because as mentioned I may be holding Will against Orris, or all of this.
Bottom line is that I see enough to compare the two and I'm not impressed either way.
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I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.
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I know not every recruit is going to be a star. My expectations for an incoming guard is to rest Angel some this year and be a decent starter after playing behind Angel for 3.
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I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.
but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing? it is imo.
phil pressey :love:
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I know not every recruit is going to be a star. My expectations for an incoming guard is to rest Angel some this year and be a decent starter after playing behind Angel for 3.
My expectation is that we recruit a new good point guard going into Angel's senior season so he gets to play behind Angel his freshman year and then be a good point guard for us the next three years while the crappy spring recruit we just signed stays on the bench.
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Is it an absolute fact that Gray is going to qualify? No red flags with #teambutthurt that he chose Texas Tech?
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Is it an absolute fact that Gray is going to qualify? No red flags with #teambutthurt that he chose Texas Tech?
I'm assuming he doesn't qualify. Will be totally butthurt if he does
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I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.
but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing? it is imo.
phil pressey :love:
meh
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I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.
but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing? it is imo.
phil pressey :love:
meh
what about a poor man's peyton siva :love:
pass first! fist pump second!
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Is it an absolute fact that Gray is going to qualify? No red flags with #teambutthurt that he chose Texas Tech?
Couldn't care less, Tech would be more damaged by him not qualifying than we would be and it doesn't seem to be an issue for BCG. Also I didn't see one thing about Gray and potential qualification before Gray told the world that oscar wouldn't call him back. Could this be another case of character assassination after the fact by the Currieites? Tech doesn't seem to think he will have an issue qualifying, they just ran off another guard last week.
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Is it an absolute fact that Gray is going to qualify? No red flags with #teambutthurt that he chose Texas Tech?
Couldn't care less, Tech would be more damaged by him not qualifying than we would be and it doesn't seem to be an issue for BCG. Also I didn't see one thing about Gray and potential qualification before Gray told the world that oscar wouldn't call him back. Could this be another case of character assassination after the fact by the Currieites? Tech doesn't seem to think he will have an issue qualifying, they just ran off another guard last week.
I don't think anyone is trying to assasinate Gray's character. I wonder about his qualifying and not because I know a damn thing about his academics. He is a pretty high level recruit and it seems odd we and other schools weren't hard after him. Especially when people are trying to fill holes in the late period
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Is it an absolute fact that Gray is going to qualify? No red flags with #teambutthurt that he chose Texas Tech?
Couldn't care less, Tech would be more damaged by him not qualifying than we would be and it doesn't seem to be an issue for BCG. Also I didn't see one thing about Gray and potential qualification before Gray told the world that oscar wouldn't call him back. Could this be another case of character assassination after the fact by the Currieites? Tech doesn't seem to think he will have an issue qualifying, they just ran off another guard last week.
Bossi is a bagman for Currie now? :sdeek:
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Would rather have Gray, no question.
But, if he is seriously a qualifying risk, Orris was definately a smart move. We desperately need a backup point guard. I hope Angel takes 30+ mpg this season, but when he's not on the floor, we don't have anybody who can run point. Maybe Jones? Irving and Sprad are ineffective.
Orris looks to be a perfectly capable backup PG. Certainly hope BW isn't envisioning him as being anything more than that, though.
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
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Is it an absolute fact that Gray is going to qualify? No red flags with #teambutthurt that he chose Texas Tech?
Couldn't care less, Tech would be more damaged by him not qualifying than we would be and it doesn't seem to be an issue for BCG. Also I didn't see one thing about Gray and potential qualification before Gray told the world that oscar wouldn't call him back. Could this be another case of character assassination after the fact by the Currieites? Tech doesn't seem to think he will have an issue qualifying, they just ran off another guard last week.
Bossi is a bagman for Currie now? :sdeek:
Two things; Bossi's note came after Gray told everyone that Weber didn't call back the week of his scheduled visit and after he committed to Tech. Secondly, when I said Currieites I meant tucks, but didn't want to say tucks. You know the same people who would have blown Frank after the USM game but acted like he was the anti-christ a week later. I could be wrong but I really don't think John Currie or the department is floating all of this BS out there and I certainly don't think they floated that Gray is a qualification risk. Like I said I do find it interesting that he became a qualification risk the second he committed to Tech and told everyone that Weber didn't call him back. Don't know who Bossi's source with that note, but I'm very comfortable thinking that it wasn't anyone from Gray's camp or Tech.
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yea, I feel like qualifying risks should be more of a recruiting emphasis for us. We should've spend the 'Te money on a big department of lawyers specializing in that crap.
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
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Best thing about Orris and not being flashy is he won't scare off a pg recruit in 2013, where the odds of Gray would be higher. In the Ideal world you have your program point guard staggered by two year periods.
Back up pg 2010 - Sprads
Main pg 2011 - Angel
Back up pg 2012 - Orris
Future Main pg 2013 - :dunno:
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The public talking point about the Spradling family anger was that he wanted to play PG. How will he act and reconcile the fact that he is now the 3rd point guard?
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
yeah, im sure the qualifyiing risk wasn't the determining factor. Weber has watched Orris play, recruited him a while. Obviously has a relationship with him. Should Weber have never recruited him way back when? maybe. But it makes sense why he is now coming to ksu over Gray. I don't agree with it and would rather have Gray...but i don't blame Weber for doing it. (wish he would at least return a phone call though, if that story is legit.)
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The public talking point about the Spradling family anger was that he wanted to play PG. How will he act and reconcile the fact that he is now the 3rd point guard?
Was that the latest? Because when I talked to one of his former AAU coaches his Frosh year he was a SG.
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The public talking point about the Spradling family anger was that he wanted to play PG. How will he act and reconcile the fact that he is now the 3rd point guard?
Sprads should be the staring 2 unless Shane can Jump him (unlikely), But should get a rest earlier than Angle so he can come in and play back up PG instead of playing 35 minutes like last year. Orris will only play mop up minutes, he will be behind Angle, Sprads, Shane, tay, and Jones.
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I thought the official stance of the Sprad family was the he didn't want to be locked in a house by the coach and then have said house set ablaze by said coach.
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I thought the official stance of the Sprad family was the he didn't want to be locked in a house by the coach and then have said house set ablaze by said coach.
I don't think I've ever heard of this being the concern of a good player. Maybe they are struggling to properly assess the blame
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
yeah, im sure the qualifyiing risk wasn't the determining factor. Weber has watched Orris play, recruited him a while. Obviously has a relationship with him. Should Weber have never recruited him way back when? maybe. But it makes sense why he is now coming to ksu over Gray. I don't agree with it and would rather have Gray...but i don't blame Weber for doing it. (wish he would at least return a phone call though, if that story is legit.)
I would have trouble with any coach sticking with a player just because you've recruited him for a while when a better option is available. I would understand that if Weber was still at Illinois. Weber had no binding offer to Orris at Kansas State. I'm deathly afraid that you're 100% correct and Weber kept Orris because he was the familiar and comfortable choice. That's damning if so.
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
yeah, im sure the qualifyiing risk wasn't the determining factor. Weber has watched Orris play, recruited him a while. Obviously has a relationship with him. Should Weber have never recruited him way back when? maybe. But it makes sense why he is now coming to ksu over Gray. I don't agree with it and would rather have Gray...but i don't blame Weber for doing it. (wish he would at least return a phone call though, if that story is legit.)
I would have trouble with any coach sticking with a player just because you've recruited him for a while when a better option is available. I would understand that if Weber was still at Illinois. Weber had no binding offer to Orris at Kansas State. I'm deathly afraid that you're 100% correct and Weber kept Orris because he was the familiar and comfortable choice. That's damning if so.
Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
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Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
they are pumped about everything frank does.
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Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
they are pumped about everything frank does.
sounds like a fantastic and supportive fanbase :love:
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
yeah, im sure the qualifyiing risk wasn't the determining factor. Weber has watched Orris play, recruited him a while. Obviously has a relationship with him. Should Weber have never recruited him way back when? maybe. But it makes sense why he is now coming to ksu over Gray. I don't agree with it and would rather have Gray...but i don't blame Weber for doing it. (wish he would at least return a phone call though, if that story is legit.)
I would have trouble with any coach sticking with a player just because you've recruited him for a while when a better option is available. I would understand that if Weber was still at Illinois. Weber had no binding offer to Orris at Kansas State. I'm deathly afraid that you're 100% correct and Weber kept Orris because he was the familiar and comfortable choice. That's damning if so.
Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
They are excited about the Moose signing and I don't know why, always saw him as a wait and see kinda of player that looks very meh for a program in their state, for us he was kinda of a WTF??? signing. I believe Weber see Orris as a team leader over any thing else, something he didn't have Illinois considering that team had a lack of chemistry, he doesn't have to play a lot to serve his role on the team. We will have to sign a 2/3 in 2013 that can play 20-15 minutes to not drop off in talent(the loss of Mcgruder)
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Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
they are pumped about everything frank does.
sounds like a fantastic and supportive fanbase :love:
here's a great example (it's real):
Im impressed to even be considered in a top two with Wisconsin at this point. The Martin hire has done wonders already
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
yeah, im sure the qualifyiing risk wasn't the determining factor. Weber has watched Orris play, recruited him a while. Obviously has a relationship with him. Should Weber have never recruited him way back when? maybe. But it makes sense why he is now coming to ksu over Gray. I don't agree with it and would rather have Gray...but i don't blame Weber for doing it. (wish he would at least return a phone call though, if that story is legit.)
I would have trouble with any coach sticking with a player just because you've recruited him for a while when a better option is available. I would understand that if Weber was still at Illinois. Weber had no binding offer to Orris at Kansas State. I'm deathly afraid that you're 100% correct and Weber kept Orris because he was the familiar and comfortable choice. That's damning if so.
Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
I bet people at USC would be a lot less happy if a top 150 big was interested in USC had a visit date lined up and then found out later that Frank didn't call him back when it was time for said visit.
Orris angst has more to do with Weber, Gray, and to an extent Spradling and not so much with Orris himself. I think several people anticipated that Orris would be the exact type of player that K-State Weber would draw, I don't think many thought that type of player would come in lieu of seemingly more talented and interested players.
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
Yes we have plenty of guards on the roster, we're replacing a forward with another guard. Tech needs guards. This is why I don't but the qualifying risk angle. I'm sure its just because I hate Weber and want Frank back though. Its not possible to rationally question anything Weber has done without it being about the last guy.
yeah, im sure the qualifyiing risk wasn't the determining factor. Weber has watched Orris play, recruited him a while. Obviously has a relationship with him. Should Weber have never recruited him way back when? maybe. But it makes sense why he is now coming to ksu over Gray. I don't agree with it and would rather have Gray...but i don't blame Weber for doing it. (wish he would at least return a phone call though, if that story is legit.)
I would have trouble with any coach sticking with a player just because you've recruited him for a while when a better option is available. I would understand that if Weber was still at Illinois. Weber had no binding offer to Orris at Kansas State. I'm deathly afraid that you're 100% correct and Weber kept Orris because he was the familiar and comfortable choice. That's damning if so.
Saw earlier today that Moose is following Frank to SC...are their fans upset about it i wonder?
I bet people at USC would be a lot less happy if a top 150 big was interested in USC had a visit date lined up and then found out later that Frank didn't call him back when it was time for said visit.
Orris angst has more to do with Weber, Gray, and to an extent Spradling and not so much with Orris himself. I think several people anticipated that Orris would be the exact type of player that K-State Weber would draw, I don't think many thought that type of player would come in lieu of seemingly more talented and interested players.
Not far to judge anybody's recruiting ability on spring recruits, if their is something to be mad at it would be offering Sam Singer http://verbalcommits.com/players/sam-singer (http://verbalcommits.com/players/sam-singer)
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Are you referring to USC's offer to Singer? USC isn't even his best offer. This seems like you're comparing our program to USC's. I hope I'm misinterpretating your post, I'm sure I am. Singer would be fine for USC at this point. Huggins freshmen at KSU were James Franklin, Luis Colon, Jason Bennett, Brady Johnson, Energy, Bill Walker, and Blake Young.
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sprads looked like a perfectly capable backup pg out of high school. Not sure why anyone thinks this guy will be better than sprads other than the extra point on the ESPN rating.
we were really in a good position to take a risk on a qualifying....risk.
We were in a perfectly good position to take a risk on a coaching hire, too. In both cases we choose the guaranteed "meh". Get used to it, it's how we are doing things now. Ahead: entire seasons of "meh".
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I thought the official stance of the Sprad family was the he didn't want to be locked in a house by the coach and then have said house set ablaze by said coach.
i don't think martin said he would lock spradler in the house. i imagine he just assumed spradling would take one look at the fire in the paint and reverse pivot his way into some sort of fiery death.
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Kansas State, Virginia, Mississippi State, Boston College, Wisconsin-Green Bay, St. Louis, Valparaiso, and Southern Illinois are recruiting me.
"Also, Pitt has entered the mix. My AAU coach has talked to Coach (Jamie) Dixon multiple times and I have also talked to Coach Dixon and Coach Barton. The talks have gone well. We have played phone tag the last couple of days with Coach Dixon but we are in the process of trying to set up a visit."
Pitt has shown interest in Orris, and he is very interested in the Panthers as well, partly due to the fact that he has family in the Pittsburgh area.
"I am very interested and I think they have a great program," Orris said. "They have a great tradition of success. I think they want to get me on campus and see if it is a good fit for both of us. They haven't offered so we are just waiting to get on campus and see what happens.
"If Pitt were to offer, they would be a top school for me. Their program has always been a great interest for me since my family is from Pittsburgh and I still have family there. I would like to have a decision sooner rather than later but I won't rush it. I still need to find the right fit
4-23.
I was supposed to go on a visit to Pittsburgh this weekend, but I will cancel that, now.
5-3.
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I thought the official stance of the Sprad family was the he didn't want to be locked in a house by the coach and then have said house set ablaze by said coach.
i don't think martin said he would lock spradler in the house. i imagine he just assumed spradling would take one look at the fire in the paint and reverse pivot his way into some sort of fiery death.
:sdeek:
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I thought the official stance of the Sprad family was the he didn't want to be locked in a house by the coach and then have said house set ablaze by said coach.
i don't think martin said he would lock spradler in the house. i imagine he just assumed spradling would take one look at the fire in the paint and reverse pivot his way into some sort of fiery death.
I just re-injured my ribs laughing.
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I thought the official stance of the Sprad family was the he didn't want to be locked in a house by the coach and then have said house set ablaze by said coach.
i don't think martin said he would lock spradler in the house. i imagine he just assumed spradling would take one look at the fire in the paint and reverse pivot his way into some sort of fiery death.
lol
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Just want to welcome Michael Orris again, and tell him to ignore the Andromeda Strain level of butthurt that is growing at an exponential rate from #teambutthurt.
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Just want to welcome Michael Orris again, and tell him to ignore the Andromeda Strain level of butthurt that is growing at an exponential rate from #teambutthurt.
If you ever come to a game with me, you can cheer up Orris when I snub his high 5.
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Just want to welcome Michael Orris again, and tell him to ignore the Andromeda Strain level of butthurt that is growing at an exponential rate from #teambutthurt.
If you ever come to a game with me, you can cheer up Orris when I snub his high 5.
Oh yeah!! :woot: :woot: :woot:
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lol at dax driving the new bball recruit welcome wagon. such the contrarian chameleon. bravo dax. bravo.
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lol at dax driving the new bball recruit welcome wagon. such the contrarian chameleon. bravo dax. bravo.
maybe you should sent orris an email telling him he's just not good enough for you and you'd prefer he choose a different school.
yup thought so
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Hey man, in a couple of years if Michael Orris is anything but the 4th signee in a big class, I'll be right there with #teambutthurt. But nobody gets tossed under the bus 1 month into the job.
I will admit that as of right now oscar Weber provides the single biggest quandary for my life long roll with EMAW. I mean the guy has coached in the biggest game, he's taken 2 programs to the NCAA tourney multiple times, he's won major conference titles. Yet, he's also sucked as well.
But as I've said before, I gave Stan Parrish, Ron Prince, Jim Wooldridge, Dana Altman and Tom Asbury the benefit of the doubt until they clearly showed they were non hackers. So I can't change now.
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lol at dax driving the new bball recruit welcome wagon. such the contrarian chameleon. bravo dax. bravo.
maybe you should sent orris an email telling him he's just not good enough for you and you'd prefer he choose a different school.
yup thought so
sounds like too much work and thought involved. i'll just wait til the first time i see him and yell butthurt at him.
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good b/c you will look like a fool yelling at an all-American and laughing while trim doesn't dap him
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good b/c you will look like a fool yelling at an all-American and laughing while trim doesn't dap him
well the looking like a fool stuff is somewhat debatable but the laughing part won't be. me and my whole section will be just absolutely rolling at the butthurt sick burn that i unload on him. :lol:
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Hey man, in a couple of years if Michael Orris is anything but the 4th signee in a big class, I'll be right there with #teambutthurt. But nobody gets tossed under the bus 1 month into the job.
I will admit that as of right now oscar Weber provides the single biggest quandary for my life long roll with EMAW. I mean the guy has coached in the biggest game, he's taken 2 programs to the NCAA tourney multiple times, he's won major conference titles. Yet, he's also sucked as well.
But as I've said before, I gave Stan Parrish, Ron Prince, Jim Wooldridge, Dana Altman and Tom Asbury the benefit of the doubt until they clearly showed they were non hackers. So I can't change now.
I stand with dax on this one. 100%. But most know that.
I'm just not very good at being a cynic I suppose.
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I don't know how you could know that Ron Prince couldn't hack it in 2.5 years but think oscar Weber's nine years at Illinois aren't enough to know if he can hack it.
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I don't know how you could know that Ron Prince couldn't hack it in 2.5 years but think oscar Weber's nine years at Illinois aren't enough to know if he can hack it.
Its been discussed, but I'll repeat what I've already said.
Honestly, I don't think those are comparable at all. Making the comparison to an inexperienced head coach with a massive ego that ran off his best assistants is a reach. No doubt Weber has made plenty mistakes, but they aren't anywhere near what Prince made and Prince never had anything similar to the success Weber had.
Weber had good years and bad years at Illinois. He had good years at SIU.
If you want to believe that his last 6 years at Illinois definitively proves he is a failure as a high major head coach you have that choice. While I have been consistent in stating that several of those years are a concern, they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game. And I won't just assume everything he does is doomed to failure. I believe its possible to learn from the mistakes he's made in the 2-3 bad years he's had in a much longer head coaching career.
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I don't know how you could know that Ron Prince couldn't hack it in 2.5 years but think oscar Weber's nine years at Illinois aren't enough to know if he can hack it.
that is confusing. the dana altman one was more confusing though. dana left kstate on his own free will. did some pretty great things at creghton of all places. took the arkansas job at 1.5/year only renege a day later and and then recently took over a bad oregon team and managed to take them to a 13-5 conference record in only his second year. saying that dana can't hack it but not knowing whether or not oscar can is just bewildering to me. like, i probably would have taken dana over oscar if dana would have been an option.
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If you want to believe that his last 6 years at Illinois definitively proves he is a failure as a high major head coach you have that choice. While I have been consistent in stating that several of those years are a concern, they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game. And I won't just assume everything he does is doomed to failure. I believe its possible to learn from the mistakes he's made in the 2-3 bad years he's had in a much longer head coaching career.
the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.
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absolute horrific hire!
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the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.
I wouldn't say absolutely horrific. He went to 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT in last 6 years (5 straight NCAAs + 4 conference championships in previous 6). Isolating the past 6 years, Weber was very underwhelming. No question. But, let's reserve "absolutely horrific" for coaches like Jim Wooldridge (5 winning seasons & 1 post season since 1991) or teams like the Kansas City Royals.
Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk. He looks pretty solid. Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well. eff, Pitt offered him. For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.
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I don't know how you could know that Ron Prince couldn't hack it in 2.5 years but think oscar Weber's nine years at Illinois aren't enough to know if he can hack it.
Its been discussed, but I'll repeat what I've already said.
Honestly, I don't think those are comparable at all. Making the comparison to an inexperienced head coach with a massive ego that ran off his best assistants is a reach. No doubt Weber has made plenty mistakes, but they aren't anywhere near what Prince made and Prince never had anything similar to the success Weber had.
Yet both coaches finished their tenures with horrendous teams that quit on them. If anything, I would guess Prince would be more likely to learn from his mistakes than the 55 year old who thinks his team quit on him because the AD didn't give him a good vote of confidence.
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the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.
I wouldn't say absolutely horrific. He went to 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT in last 6 years (5 straight NCAAs + 4 conference championships in previous 6). Isolating the past 6 years, Weber was very underwhelming. No question. But, let's reserve "absolutely horrific" for coaches like Jim Wooldridge (5 winning seasons & 1 post season since 1991) or teams like the Kansas City Royals.
Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk. He looks pretty solid. Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well. eff, Pitt offered him. For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.
Wooly doesn't deserve to be pinned up there with the Royals. Just wrong.
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the last 2/3 of his tenure at illinois were enough for me to decide that it was an absolute horrific hire. i will agree that if our 55 year old head coach can learn from his mistakes and correct them that he might be able to have a moderately average amount of success at kstate. let's hope, i guess.
I wouldn't say absolutely horrific. He went to 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT in last 6 years (5 straight NCAAs + 4 conference championships in previous 6). Isolating the past 6 years, Weber was very underwhelming. No question. But, let's reserve "absolutely horrific" for coaches like Jim Wooldridge (5 winning seasons & 1 post season since 1991) or teams like the Kansas City Royals.
Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk. He looks pretty solid. Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well. eff, Pitt offered him. For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.
what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.
also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?
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Wooly doesn't deserve to be pinned up there with the Royals. Just wrong.
I wish it weren't so. But, we have to accept it. Actually worse than Wooldridge, the Boys n Blue have only 4 winning seasons and 0 postseason appearances since 1991.
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Regarding Orris, again, I'm very happy with the signing if he's an intended backup and if Gray was a qualifying risk. He looks pretty solid. Looks like he can shoot and handle the ball pretty well. eff, Pitt offered him. For a late round signing, I'm not gonna knock this pickup.
oh also would like to add that i'll be very happy with the orris signing if he ends up becoming the all time leading scorer in k-state history like some other unheralded 3* out of illinois. :crossfingers:
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what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.
also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?
If Gray isn't a qualifying risk, my feelings would be that I'd rather have Gray. I already said that. If Pitt didn't offer him, that makes me think he's less quality of a player. I mean, I've watched about 30 seconds of him draining 3s in a youtube highlight video. I, like everybody else, adjudge the quality of our recruits by rivals stars and by high major offers. If Jamie Dixon offered him, that makes me think he's quality. If Dixon didn't offer him and it was between us and Nebraska, I obviously think less of the kid's talent level.
And regarding Prince, I guess I don't get your point. Is it that coaches can't learn from their mistakes and improve? Especially later in life? I don't follow other colleges close enough to give a host of examples of coaches having some crap seasons and then improving. I guess I'd just point to Snyder and Paterno because they are the most obvious.
After a ton of success, JoePa crap the bed from 2000 - 2004, going to only 1 bowl game in 5 seasons with a couple 9th place finishes in 2003, 2004. Then, in 2005 he went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl. I don't know what he changed, but at 78 years old, he changed something.
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I'm not sure how I feel about hiring the Joe Paterno of college basketball. :sdeek:
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what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.
also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?
If Gray isn't a qualifying risk, my feelings would be that I'd rather have Gray. I already said that. If Pitt didn't offer him, that makes me think he's less quality of a player. I mean, I've watched about 30 seconds of him draining 3s in a youtube highlight video. I, like everybody else, adjudge the quality of our recruits by rivals stars and by high major offers. If Jamie Dixon offered him, that makes me think he's quality. If Dixon didn't offer him and it was between us and Nebraska, I obviously think less of the kid's talent level.
And regarding Prince, I guess I don't get your point. Is it that coaches can't learn from their mistakes and improve? Especially later in life? I don't follow other colleges close enough to give a host of examples of coaches having some crap seasons and then improving. I guess I'd just point to Snyder and Paterno because they are the most obvious.
After a ton of success, JoePa crap the bed from 2000 - 2004, going to only 1 bowl game in 5 seasons with a couple 9th place finishes in 2003, 2004. Then, in 2005 he went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl. I don't know what he changed, but at 78 years old, he changed something.
Good points.
I think at this point the "camps" that are established are just going to continue to talk past one another. Its not like we are going to change each other's mind. Only seeing the season play out next year will have any effect, but even that will be minimal. I think this appears to be the BBSing state we're going to be in for a while, at least regarding basketball. It was similar in football until last year's fantastic season, but I don't anticipate one good basketball season having the same effect.
I'm good with that and I understand it, but I have to continue to prep myself for it.
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Maybe getting rid of Jerrance Howard was just the change Weber needed. Who knows?
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Maybe getting rid of Jerrance Howard was just the change Weber needed. Who knows?
i can just see the smile on Rusty's face(I can't) as he hit enter on this zinger.
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Maybe getting rid of Jerrance Howard was just the change Weber needed. Who knows?
Maybe it was.
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what would your feelings be if gray was not a qualifying risk and pitt didn't offer orris? because that seems to be much, much more likely.
also, just imagine how good of a coach prince would be if he got another head coaching job and learned from all of his mistakes? i mean he was a head coach at 36 and took us to a bowl game and beat #4 texas in his first year as a head coach. then made some mistakes and eventually got fired. what if he's learned from them and is able to correct them? what if?
If Gray isn't a qualifying risk, my feelings would be that I'd rather have Gray. I already said that. If Pitt didn't offer him, that makes me think he's less quality of a player. I mean, I've watched about 30 seconds of him draining 3s in a youtube highlight video. I, like everybody else, adjudge the quality of our recruits by rivals stars and by high major offers. If Jamie Dixon offered him, that makes me think he's quality. If Dixon didn't offer him and it was between us and Nebraska, I obviously think less of the kid's talent level.
And regarding Prince, I guess I don't get your point. Is it that coaches can't learn from their mistakes and improve? Especially later in life? I don't follow other colleges close enough to give a host of examples of coaches having some crap seasons and then improving. I guess I'd just point to Snyder and Paterno because they are the most obvious.
After a ton of success, JoePa crap the bed from 2000 - 2004, going to only 1 bowl game in 5 seasons with a couple 9th place finishes in 2003, 2004. Then, in 2005 he went 11-1 and won the Orange Bowl. I don't know what he changed, but at 78 years old, he changed something.
Good points.
I think at this point the "camps" that are established are just going to continue to talk past one another. Its not like we are going to change each other's mind. Only seeing the season play out next year will have any effect, but even that will be minimal. I think this appears to be the BBSing state we're going to be in for a while, at least regarding basketball. It was similar in football until last year's fantastic season, but I don't anticipate one good basketball season having the same effect.
I'm good with that and I understand it, but I have to continue to prep myself for it.
There aren't camps, there's plenty of middle ground. Acknowledging Weber had some good seasons but being concerned with his trend and his poor first month on the job here doesn't put one polar opposite than what you're advocating.
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some of you have very unique ways to say "welcome to k-state, michael orris"
unless you're just so butthurt that you can't keep the "oscar weber is an absolutely horrific hire" comments contained to every other thread on this board.
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some of you have very unique ways to say "welcome to k-state, michael orris"
unless you're just so butthurt you can't keep the "oscar weber is an absolutely horrific hire" comments contained to every other thread on this board.
Yeah, you could probably still park a buick in me, so i'm fine with your post here.
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OMG oscar :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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eff, Pitt offered him.
no they didn't. what a stupid thing to say.
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I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.
but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing? it is imo.
phil pressey :love:
meh
what about a poor man's peyton siva :love:
pass first! fist pump second!
He’s a pure point guard and fits everything you want in the position. He’s an excellent passer, knows how to play and is very competitive.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-05-08/weber-says-orris-will-be-great-addition-k-state
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they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game.
he's been a head coach for more than a decade. if you can't judge him now, how are five years a kstate going to tilt the scales? stop saying you're giving him a chance. you aren't giving him a chance, you're supporting him.
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they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game.
he's been a head coach for more than a decade. if you can't judge him now, how are five years a kstate going to tilt the scales? stop saying you're giving him a chance. you aren't giving him a chance, you're supporting him.
Angry Sys is the worst by product of the Weber hire. Makes me sad. :frown:
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I'm still waiting for Keady to endorse Orris
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I just don't like that he calls himself a "pass first" guard because I consider "pass first" to be code for "sucky". I mean, everyone I know that is a pass first guard at the Y is usually pure garbage offensively.
but what if he passes the ball really well, isn't that a good thing? it is imo.
phil pressey :love:
meh
what about a poor man's peyton siva :love:
pass first! fist pump second!
He’s a pure point guard and fits everything you want in the position. He’s an excellent passer, knows how to play and is very competitive.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-05-08/weber-says-orris-will-be-great-addition-k-state
Damn! He sounds like a really ugly blind date
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I'm still waiting for Keady to endorse Orris
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eff Keady, if you know anything about Keady at all, you know he's a giant horses ass
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they aren't so much so that I won't give him any chance before he coaches a game.
he's been a head coach for more than a decade. if you can't judge him now, how are five years a kstate going to tilt the scales? stop saying you're giving him a chance. you aren't giving him a chance, you're supporting him.
Angry Sys is the worst by product of the Weber hire. Makes me sad. :frown:
his "you aren't giving him a chance, you're supporting him" line is very well said.
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
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next season should be fun :emawkid:
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
WELCOME MICHAEL ORRIS! stay on topic, butthurt.
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I guess I never saw a big difference between 'giving a chance" and "supporting" and I don't believe I ever denied supporting. I view it as supporting K-State basketball, but whatever.
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
Tech just hired Gillespie after he was fired at Kentucky for his crap performance (wasn't immediate but that doesn't matter). University of Arizona just hired Rich Rodriguez immediately after he was fired at Michigan for 3 crap seasons. These are the two most obvious that come to mind.
Houston Nutt hasn't been hired yet, but I wouldn't mind him as a coach either, despite his 2 final crap seasons at Ole Miss. From 98-09 he went to 9 bowl games. His final 2 seasons at Ole Miss he was 6-18 and during the 04-05 seasons at Arkansas he was 5-6, 4-7. But, I wouldn't consider him a garbage coach by any stretch. He had a few bad seasons sprinkled amidst a lot of really good seasons.
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I guess I never saw a big difference between 'giving a chance" and "supporting" and I don't believe I ever denied supporting. I view it as supporting K-State basketball, but whatever.
that's like saying you support hitler because you support germany.
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I guess I never saw a big difference between 'giving a chance" and "supporting" and I don't believe I ever denied supporting. I view it as supporting K-State basketball, but whatever.
that's like saying you support hitler because you support germany.
I suppose.
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guys, there's hundreds of threads on the board you can bitch about oscar weber in.
this thread is about michael orris. welcome him to ksu in this thread. thx.
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guys, there's hundreds of threads on the board you can bitch about oscar weber in.
this thread is about michael orris. welcome him to ksu in this thread. thx.
Good point. Back on track...
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I bet he loves MHK, who doesn't?
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I'm still waiting for Keady to endorse Orris
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eff Keady, if you know anything about Keady at all, you know he's a giant horses ass
Better than a giant Nazi horse's ass.
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I guess I never saw a big difference between 'giving a chance" and "supporting" and I don't believe I ever denied supporting. I view it as supporting K-State basketball, but whatever.
to me, saying you are giving him a chance makes it sound like it is just the reasonable, pragmatic, fair-minded midwestern thing to do. while supporting him makes it sounds like, "my school, right or wrong". i don't insist on any moral superiority for either of the two, but i do think they are different in tone.
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I guess I never saw a big difference between 'giving a chance" and "supporting" and I don't believe I ever denied supporting. I view it as supporting K-State basketball, but whatever.
to me, saying you are giving him a chance makes it sound like it is just the reasonable, pragmatic, fair-minded midwestern thing to do. while supporting him makes it sounds like, "my school, right or wrong". i don't insist on any moral superiority for either of the two, but i do think they are different in tone.
That's reasonable.
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I guess I never saw a big difference between 'giving a chance" and "supporting" and I don't believe I ever denied supporting. I view it as supporting K-State basketball, but whatever.
to me, saying you are giving him a chance makes it sound like it is just the reasonable, pragmatic, fair-minded midwestern thing to do. while supporting him makes it sounds like, "my school, right or wrong". i don't insist on any moral superiority for either of the two, but i do think they are different in tone.
sys, what approach are you taking in welcoming Orris to K-State?
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
Tech just hired Gillespie after he was fired at Kentucky for his crap performance (wasn't immediate but that doesn't matter). University of Arizona just hired Rich Rodriguez immediately after he was fired at Michigan for 3 crap seasons. These are the two most obvious that come to mind.
Houston Nutt hasn't been hired yet, but I wouldn't mind him as a coach either, despite his 2 final crap seasons at Ole Miss. From 98-09 he went to 9 bowl games. His final 2 seasons at Ole Miss he was 6-18 and during the 04-05 seasons at Arkansas he was 5-6, 4-7. But, I wouldn't consider him a garbage coach by any stretch. He had a few bad seasons sprinkled amidst a lot of really good seasons.
Football is a different sport, but Rich Rod will be an interesting case. I think he will succeed. Good God, I wouldn't want Houston Nutt, though.
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
Tech just hired Gillespie after he was fired at Kentucky for his crap performance (wasn't immediate but that doesn't matter). University of Arizona just hired Rich Rodriguez immediately after he was fired at Michigan for 3 crap seasons. These are the two most obvious that come to mind.
Houston Nutt hasn't been hired yet, but I wouldn't mind him as a coach either, despite his 2 final crap seasons at Ole Miss. From 98-09 he went to 9 bowl games. His final 2 seasons at Ole Miss he was 6-18 and during the 04-05 seasons at Arkansas he was 5-6, 4-7. But, I wouldn't consider him a garbage coach by any stretch. He had a few bad seasons sprinkled amidst a lot of really good seasons.
Football is a different sport, but Rich Rod will be an interesting case. I think he will succeed. Good God, I wouldn't want Houston Nutt, though.
translation: welcome michael!
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
Tech just hired Gillespie after he was fired at Kentucky for his crap performance (wasn't immediate but that doesn't matter). University of Arizona just hired Rich Rodriguez immediately after he was fired at Michigan for 3 crap seasons. These are the two most obvious that come to mind.
Houston Nutt hasn't been hired yet, but I wouldn't mind him as a coach either, despite his 2 final crap seasons at Ole Miss. From 98-09 he went to 9 bowl games. His final 2 seasons at Ole Miss he was 6-18 and during the 04-05 seasons at Arkansas he was 5-6, 4-7. But, I wouldn't consider him a garbage coach by any stretch. He had a few bad seasons sprinkled amidst a lot of really good seasons.
Football is a different sport, but Rich Rod will be an interesting case. I think he will succeed. Good God, I wouldn't want Houston Nutt, though.
translation: welcome michael!
Yes, I appreciate any player who wants to come to K-State, regardless of how good they are.
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You better whoa! back on it boys
The excitement of Manhattan in those pictures, coupled with the exciting personality of oscar Weber, could bring about a huge influx of 5*
recruits to little 'Ol KSU.
Warm up the AA flights friends
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sys, what approach are you taking in welcoming Orris to K-State?
polish, circa 1939.
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That's reasonable.
:grin:
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sys, what approach are you taking in welcoming Orris to K-State?
polish, circa 1939.
You're gonna let him move you into a ghetto? I guess you could also get a train ride out of it.
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Michael, welcome to KSTATESU. Try the chef for breakfast. Try so long for hamburgers with eggs and peanut butter!
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I can't be happier that we have a pass first point guard who's cool being the fourth guy, a real team player. This Orris kid is the type of person we want representing K-State. We don't want some top 150 prima donna who is going to be too flashy and shoot too much.
rob@gpc
ADMIN Post #2760 MyFanPage Add Buddy Ignore
Weber on Orris Reply
Spoke to oscar Weber at length this evening as part of a Q&A for the upcoming issue of our magazine.
Figured I'd this part here, mostlybecauseof how much has been madeof Orris' recruitment. As always, I don't have an opinion either way. I just thought it was interesting.
Of course, you can read the full interview in the magazine when it prints.
ME: And your thoughts on Michael?
oscar: I knew Mike. Obviously, we had him at Illinois. He's just a tough-nosed kids who likes to compete. When he was a junior, his high school won the most games in the school's history.
For the future, we just needed depth at the point guard. Michael knows that Angel (Rodriguez) is the guy. He knows we have Will (Spradling) and that we have Martavious (Irving). He just wanted to be part of it after he came on the visit and loved it. I just think it gives us a real stable guy for the future. He's a pass-first guy and a winner.
This post was edited on 5/15 10:49 PM by rob@gpc
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Gray
ictcat24
Orris
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Orris
Add spradler
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Add spradler
For the same reason I won't dap Doc tomorrow night (fear of catching whatever hand fungus disease he has and rough ridin' up my hot shooting streak), I won't put Sprads anywhere close - even virtually - to ictcat24 with Sunday coming up.
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does merriewether own the record for most wins in kstate history? can't recall for sure.
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Jacob
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Wasn't Frank hyping up Jam and Vic as leaving KSU as the winningest players just weeks ago?
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It actually was LuCo and Energy. They won 23 games the, year they didn't play with Jake, Jamar, or Victor. Jake won 21 the year he didn't play with Jamar and Vic, and of course Jamar and Vic won 22 their year without Jake. So if you take suspensions into account the top two looks like this.
1. Energy
2. Vic
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It actually was LuCo and Energy. They won 23 games the, year they didn't play with Jake, Jamar, or Victor. Jake won 21 the year he didn't play with Jamar and Vic, and of course Jamar and Vic won 22 their year without Jake. So if you take suspensions into account the top two looks like this.
1. Energy
2. Vic
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That's actually pretty awesome. The two winningest players in our history were walkons.
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It actually was LuCo and Energy. They won 23 games the, year they didn't play with Jake, Jamar, or Victor. Jake won 21 the year he didn't play with Jamar and Vic, and of course Jamar and Vic won 22 their year without Jake. So if you take suspensions into account the top two looks like this.
1. Energy
2. Vic
:dubious:
That's actually pretty awesome. The two winningest players in our history were walkons.
Take it to GPC
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It actually was LuCo and Energy. They won 23 games the, year they didn't play with Jake, Jamar, or Victor. Jake won 21 the year he didn't play with Jamar and Vic, and of course Jamar and Vic won 22 their year without Jake. So if you take suspensions into account the top two looks like this.
1. Energy
2. Vic
:dubious:
That's actually pretty awesome. The two winningest players in our history were walkons.
Shouldn't you take out the games they didn't play in?
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No. They were active. As far as K-State is concerned games count while you are suspended, that's stupid IMO.
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does merriewether own the record for most wins in kstate history? can't recall for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJZPqf7Kwwo
Haven't watched the less energetic ones yet.
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does merriewether own the record for most wins in kstate history? can't recall for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJZPqf7Kwwo
Haven't watched the less energetic ones yet.
Damn, those original ELITEs looked so great from the back.
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Damn, those original ELITEs looked so great from the back.
it was our zenith, the apex of kstate's institutional arc.
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https://twitter.com/ballen1818/status/672493567064018944
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that looks like bad defense imo
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that looks like bad defense imo
Well ya. I just found it funny. Nino retweeted it too.
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"C'MON ORRRRRRISSSSS" -Nicname
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That court tho!
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Josh Gray is averaging 10, 3, & 3 for a good but should be better LSU team with the 2016 #1 draft pick.
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Yeah, LSU isn't good, but good for him. How many games have LSU lost now?
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Yeah, LSU isn't good, but good for him. How many games have LSU lost now?
Was the 07-08 K-State basketball team good?
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Yeah, LSU isn't good, but good for him. How many games have LSU lost now?
Was the 07-08 K-State basketball team good?
Hmm.... Interesting comparison. I guess i'm waiting for that significant win for LSU. I mean they recently gave up 108 points to North Florida.
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Yeah, LSU isn't good, but good for him. How many games have LSU lost now?
Was the 07-08 K-State basketball team good?
Hmm.... Interesting comparison. I guess i'm waiting for that significant win for LSU. I mean they recently gave up 108 points to North Florida.
That team was led by the best player in the country as a freshman surrounded by other decent players at a non blue blood that struggled a little bit in the non con. Also 06-07 UT.
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Yeah, LSU isn't good, but good for him. How many games have LSU lost now?
Was the 07-08 K-State basketball team good?
Hmm.... Interesting comparison. I guess i'm waiting for that significant win for LSU. I mean they recently gave up 108 points to North Florida.
That team was led by the best player in the country as a freshman surrounded by other decent players at a non blue blood that struggled a little bit in the non con. Also 06-07 UT.
I do really like that comparison. I'm sure they'll figure it out soon.
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Orris, one final chapter.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/727579746612203523
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He sure gets around.
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He sure gets around.
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He has to be like 37 years old now right?
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http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2014/10/treacherous_road_off_the_baske.html
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Hit the game winner for South Dakota State tonight. One win away from going to the tournament.
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this made me think of the Armenian(?) guy we had. Jack Krap or something?
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you've got it
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Oscar's poor recruiting set the stage for the decline Instead of restocking the pantry he restocked the toilet.
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Watched some of Orris in the championship game last night. He was a clear leader on the team, a team that he had only spent this year playing for after graduating from Northern Illinois.
He totally didn't look like anything we want on our roster -- although Dogbite comes to mind when I think of guys we totally wouldn't want on our roster, but that's another topic. Here's to Michael Orris, the second most popular athlete from Crete, Illinois after Laqoun Treadwell.
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http://fortwayne.gleague.nba.com/news/mad-ants-acquire-michael-orris-release-skylar-spencer/
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http://fortwayne.gleague.nba.com/news/mad-ants-acquire-michael-orris-release-skylar-spencer/
Man the g-league must have a crazy range of talent from top to bottom if you've got guys like Orris playing with two-way guys. I imagine there's a huge hole created by the guys who can make decent money in Europe
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http://prescottenews.com/index.php/sports/pro-sports/item/31505-josh-gray-pours-in-team-record-42-points-in-suns-win
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http://prescottenews.com/index.php/sports/pro-sports/item/31505-josh-gray-pours-in-team-record-42-points-in-suns-win
Okay so Josh Gray and Michael Orris: both NBA G-Leaguers, both played for three colleges, and one of them is a good basketball player. Two similarities and one difference!
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Wasn't Michael Orris a frosh on the big 12 championship team? My son got a basketball signed by the team that may have is name on it.
Wow, that thing may have some value now, can't wait to go look
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Michael Orris is getting paid to play basketball? My goodness.
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So much EMAW going on right here.
https://twitter.com/CapitalCityGoGo/status/1101163834423853056
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I can’t believe Orris was signed to a team in the G league
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Apparently this craziness was also discussed a year ago
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I think it was like a workplace discrimination thing. They had to hire him.