Lowery Interview on 1350

[kso_FAN]

the biggest problem is that our fans are rational and don't expect him to do any better, but are also simultaneously ok w/ it. give him a chance guys! let's see what he can do guys! guys we don't even know who his assistants are! guys let's see how this all plays out first before we judge! umm, no. why? i've already seen it play out. no need to watch the same movie twice.

I certainly expect him to do better.

Based on what?

Based on the rest of his career. I already said I understand the caution, but I also don't think its impossible for him to learn from what happened last year and not repeat it.

I won't give him excuses, but his two terrible years had very different circumstances, so I don't see him repeating the same mistake twice as being the key to his failure at Illinois.

The first time was legitimately a rebuilding year with some injuries and recruiting failures mixed in. After that season he recovered.

Last year the recruiting was fine, even really good. It was not a rebuilding year, there was plenty of talent to win with, even with young players. But clearly he did a poor job implimenting everything he needed to sustain success with that group and he failed to turn them around after losing started. Eventually he lost his team, but it was a team with enough talent to win. Of the two failed season, this is the most concerning.

I know you can't eliminate those years from his resume, they are part of who Weber as a coach is. They concern me, but I can also look at the rest of his resume and see that is not impossible for him to learn enough from his time at Illinois to avoid repeating those mistakes.

[Dr Rick Daris]

So if the posts on Wabash are to true, it sounds like Frank had burned multiple AAU bridges and had pissed up the KC AAU punch bowl so badly that K-State was pretty much locked out completely.

Yes, dax, I'm aware that Doc's disgruntled people have told many EMAWs that Frank sucks and that all of those EMAWs are spreading that info in every forum available.

Yeah, I am sure TeamDoc consists of legions of people.   

5 or less who whine to every EMAW they can find and will happy to feeling ITK.

Oh yeah, I am sure they were all out to get Frank.   Could never actually see Frank burning any bridges now that I think about it.   

How many of the ITK sources on this issue have a last name starting with something other than "S"?

Doesn't matter Trim#TeamFrank, you don't go burn down the house (Did I just say that) of a potential huge client right down the road from your headquarters.   Particularly when that client networks with a bunch of other potential clients.   Nothing says great PR when it becomes clear that a guy has gone overboard into abusive dickhole land. 

The problem wth the Frankites is that they give a little lip service to the warts and then try to pass that off as being objective.   The warts were gigantic even if you toss out Currie.   

Hey guys, I love this place so much that I told two my recruits NOT to sign their LOI . . . love ya!

Dax, my point is that it doesn't matter how much his story gets posted by different people in different places.  It's still one story.  You see what I mean? 

Obviously, a story told by people in KC to EMAW fans are going to get regurgitated on EMAW message boards often.

I'm aware that Frank's a weirdo, but it's not due to Doc's coaches/parents crying about it to everyone with a computer.

I don't disagree.   

But we know that Jo was on the verge of quitting, Rodney has almost left . . . they don't talk to people?   You can't have 2,3,4 guys riding off into the sunset every year before it becomes too much to overcome on the recruiting trail.   

Plus, IMO Frank deserved the bad PR, no kid has to put up with the BS that Frank was saying to Doc and I am about as old school as it gets.   You don't get personal with a kid who is beat to hell and still playing his ass off for you out on the floor.    Particularly when that kid is linked back to an AAU program that seems to have had a decent run of high major prospects coming through it of late.   If Frank wanted somebody better than Doc than he should have gone out and recruited them.

sorry but frank didn't do anything wrong and weber sucks.  learn to post here.

Stick to recipes Piss.

i was kidding, you dumbass.

So was I . . . dumbass

this is like witnessing two brothers who went to fight for the same side during the civil war get into a knife fight because one said can you please pass the salt at the dinner table and the other mistakenly thought he said i hate you and just had sex with your wife.

[kso_FAN]

It's prob been posted, but does anyone know what his contract says about buy out?  I mean, we didn't go full on KU/Gill here did we?

Lesser of 2.5m or whatever's left on his term.

There is also stuff in there about whether or not he gets another job within 24 months, and if he does the amount could be reduced depending on how much the next job pays.

[sonofdaxjones]

So if the posts on Wabash are to true, it sounds like Frank had burned multiple AAU bridges and had pissed up the KC AAU punch bowl so badly that K-State was pretty much locked out completely.

Yes, dax, I'm aware that Doc's disgruntled people have told many EMAWs that Frank sucks and that all of those EMAWs are spreading that info in every forum available.

Yeah, I am sure TeamDoc consists of legions of people.   

5 or less who whine to every EMAW they can find and will happy to feeling ITK.

Oh yeah, I am sure they were all out to get Frank.   Could never actually see Frank burning any bridges now that I think about it.   

How many of the ITK sources on this issue have a last name starting with something other than "S"?

Doesn't matter Trim#TeamFrank, you don't go burn down the house (Did I just say that) of a potential huge client right down the road from your headquarters.   Particularly when that client networks with a bunch of other potential clients.   Nothing says great PR when it becomes clear that a guy has gone overboard into abusive dickhole land. 

The problem wth the Frankites is that they give a little lip service to the warts and then try to pass that off as being objective.   The warts were gigantic even if you toss out Currie.   

Hey guys, I love this place so much that I told two my recruits NOT to sign their LOI . . . love ya!

Dax, my point is that it doesn't matter how much his story gets posted by different people in different places.  It's still one story.  You see what I mean? 

Obviously, a story told by people in KC to EMAW fans are going to get regurgitated on EMAW message boards often.

I'm aware that Frank's a weirdo, but it's not due to Doc's coaches/parents crying about it to everyone with a computer.

I don't disagree.   

But we know that Jo was on the verge of quitting, Rodney has almost left . . . they don't talk to people?   You can't have 2,3,4 guys riding off into the sunset every year before it becomes too much to overcome on the recruiting trail.   

Plus, IMO Frank deserved the bad PR, no kid has to put up with the BS that Frank was saying to Doc and I am about as old school as it gets.   You don't get personal with a kid who is beat to hell and still playing his ass off for you out on the floor.    Particularly when that kid is linked back to an AAU program that seems to have had a decent run of high major prospects coming through it of late.   If Frank wanted somebody better than Doc than he should have gone out and recruited them.

sorry but frank didn't do anything wrong and weber sucks.  learn to post here.

Stick to recipes Piss.

i was kidding, you dumbass.

So was I . . . dumbass

this is like witnessing two brothers who went to fight for the same side during the civil war get into a knife fight because one said can you please pass the salt at the dinner table and the other mistakenly thought he said i hate you and just had sex with your wife.

I was going to be a lot meaner but I held back in the name of EMAW.

[CNS]

It's prob been posted, but does anyone know what his contract says about buy out?  I mean, we didn't go full on KU/Gill here did we?

Lesser of 2.5m or whatever's left on his term.

There is also stuff in there about whether or not he gets another job within 24 months, and if he does the amount could be reduced depending on how much the next job pays.

Yeah, it looks like we are basically guaranteeing him to make $2.5M over a two yr period after being fired in that if he takes a lesser job we cover the difference from the new shittier salary.

[Dr Rick Daris]

It's prob been posted, but does anyone know what his contract says about buy out?  I mean, we didn't go full on KU/Gill here did we?

Lesser of 2.5m or whatever's left on his term.

There is also stuff in there about whether or not he gets another job within 24 months, and if he does the amount could be reduced depending on how much the next job pays.

Yeah, it looks like we are basically guaranteeing him to make $2.5M over a two yr period after being fired in that if he takes a lesser job we cover the difference from the new shittier salary.

i wonder if illinois had a similar thing, but since we are paying him more than they were maybe weber has to pay the extra back to the illinois instead of vice versa.

[pissclams]

So if the posts on Wabash are to true, it sounds like Frank had burned multiple AAU bridges and had pissed up the KC AAU punch bowl so badly that K-State was pretty much locked out completely.

Yes, dax, I'm aware that Doc's disgruntled people have told many EMAWs that Frank sucks and that all of those EMAWs are spreading that info in every forum available.

Yeah, I am sure TeamDoc consists of legions of people.   

5 or less who whine to every EMAW they can find and will happy to feeling ITK.

Oh yeah, I am sure they were all out to get Frank.   Could never actually see Frank burning any bridges now that I think about it.   

How many of the ITK sources on this issue have a last name starting with something other than "S"?

Doesn't matter Trim#TeamFrank, you don't go burn down the house (Did I just say that) of a potential huge client right down the road from your headquarters.   Particularly when that client networks with a bunch of other potential clients.   Nothing says great PR when it becomes clear that a guy has gone overboard into abusive dickhole land. 

The problem wth the Frankites is that they give a little lip service to the warts and then try to pass that off as being objective.   The warts were gigantic even if you toss out Currie.   

Hey guys, I love this place so much that I told two my recruits NOT to sign their LOI . . . love ya!

Dax, my point is that it doesn't matter how much his story gets posted by different people in different places.  It's still one story.  You see what I mean? 

Obviously, a story told by people in KC to EMAW fans are going to get regurgitated on EMAW message boards often.

I'm aware that Frank's a weirdo, but it's not due to Doc's coaches/parents crying about it to everyone with a computer.

I don't disagree.   

But we know that Jo was on the verge of quitting, Rodney has almost left . . . they don't talk to people?   You can't have 2,3,4 guys riding off into the sunset every year before it becomes too much to overcome on the recruiting trail.   

Plus, IMO Frank deserved the bad PR, no kid has to put up with the BS that Frank was saying to Doc and I am about as old school as it gets.   You don't get personal with a kid who is beat to hell and still playing his ass off for you out on the floor.    Particularly when that kid is linked back to an AAU program that seems to have had a decent run of high major prospects coming through it of late.   If Frank wanted somebody better than Doc than he should have gone out and recruited them.

sorry but frank didn't do anything wrong and weber sucks.  learn to post here.

Stick to recipes Piss.

i was kidding, you dumbass.

So was I . . . dumbass

this is like witnessing two brothers who went to fight for the same side during the civil war get into a knife fight because one said can you please pass the salt at the dinner table and the other mistakenly thought he said i hate you and just had sex with your wife.

stick to recipes, downgrade.

[Trim]

It's prob been posted, but does anyone know what his contract says about buy out?  I mean, we didn't go full on KU/Gill here did we?

Lesser of 2.5m or whatever's left on his term.

There is also stuff in there about whether or not he gets another job within 24 months, and if he does the amount could be reduced depending on how much the next job pays.

That's the norm in contracts.  I'm just counting what we'd be on the hook for assuming Currie's new school at that time doesn't hire him. 

[LickNeckey]

Belvis Noland, why are you taking such a passionate stance on this? Seems like an incredibly stupid thing to care so much about.

As a guy who's had season tix since Huggs took over and who's been to every tournament appearance (BigXII, NCAA) in the region, I guess I'm just passionate about KSU basketball.  eff me, maybe I shouldn't be.

As a guy who has had season tickets since 2000 and has also been to multiple tournament appearances, hell i attended the huggy presser  , I refuse to watch us return to crap.

 

[kso_FAN]

As a guy who has had season tickets since 2000 and has also been to multiple tournament appearances, hell i attended the huggy presser  , I refuse to watch us return to crap.

 

Nobody wants to return to that. Nobody. And being willing to give a Weber a chance doesn't mean you do, so let's just stop with that dumb talking point.

[LickNeckey]

For clarification I am not saying that giving him a chance means that you want pre-huggy success levels.

Personally i just don't believe that anything but this will happen.   

again.  I will not step foot in the ood until Currie/Weber are gone.  This is not an attempt to be "edgy" or too cool for school but a symptom of crippling dissapointment.

[_33]

As a guy who has had season tickets since 2000 and has also been to multiple tournament appearances, hell i attended the huggy presser  , I refuse to watch us return to crap.

 

Nobody wants to return to that. Nobody. And being willing to give a Weber a chance doesn't mean you do, so let's just stop with that dumb talking point.

Well, not being willing to give Weber a chance doesn't make you less of a fan.

[kso_FAN]

Well, not being willing to give Weber a chance doesn't make you less of a fan.

I have no problem with that.

I only have a problem when the assumption is made that those giving Weber a chance will automatically let the program go back to the level of the end of Asbury and Wooly's 6 years. That's crap.

[Cire]

Well, not being willing to give Weber a chance doesn't make you less of a fan.

I have no problem with that.

I only have a problem when the assumption is made that those giving Weber a chance will automatically let the program go back to the level of the end of Asbury and Wooly's 6 years. That's crap.

the problem is, by the time the give him a chancers are fed up it will be too late and we will be in altman land.

[Belvis Noland]

For clarification I am not saying that giving him a chance means that you want pre-huggy success levels.

Personally i just don't believe that anything but this will happen.   

Pre-Huggy success = Wooly.  So, in other words, you believe Weber will be Wooly. 

which is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). 

Thank you for the clarification. 

[kso_FAN]

the problem is, by the time the give him a chancers are fed up it will be too late and we will be in altman land.

No, there is no guarantee of that and that is an extremely subjective stance. Every poster who has been vocal in giving Weber a chance has also said he'll be judged on the merits of his coaching and specifically winning and losing. And there is no more guranantee that Weber will bury the program than if we had hired some young assistant like Hurricane or Wojo or taken a chance on Gottlieb. I'll readily admit its not as much fun, but its not like there was any guarantee any of those hires would have left K-State in a worse position than Weber will. In fact, a young inexperienced coach like that would've probably caused many fans to call for more patience than they will with Weber.

[Mr Bread]

No.  Weber land.  It's much better.  Everybody gets a chicken nuggets whenever they're blue and the lawns are all impeccably mown.  Shirts are happily tucked into briefs.  It's glorious. 

Well, not being willing to give Weber a chance doesn't make you less of a fan.

I have no problem with that.

I only have a problem when the assumption is made that those giving Weber a chance will automatically let the program go back to the level of the end of Asbury and Wooly's 6 years. That's crap.

the problem is, by the time the give him a chancers are fed up it will be too late and we will be in altman land.

[Belvis Noland]

And there is no more guranantee that Weber will bury the program than if we had hired some young assistant like Hurricane or Wojo or taken a chance on Gottlieb Frank Martin.

[sys]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

[kso_FAN]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

If he wins enough, it won't be boring to me. If he doesn't, he'll need to be fired.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

i feel the exact same way and i'm also kind of an illinois fan, so i'm going to have 20 years of weber. it's not fair. it just isn't. i mean illinois finally got rid of him and i did a fistpump and then this. i'm just broken.

[catzacker]

And there is no more guranantee that Weber will bury the program than if we had hired some young assistant like Hurricane or Wojo or taken a chance on Gottlieb Frank Martin.

completely different.

[sys]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

If he wins enough, it won't be boring to me. If he doesn't, he'll need to be fired.

_fan, he's not going to win more than martin.  that's the baseline, because there was no earthly reason to lose martin.  obviously if we were going from wooldridge to weber we'd all be toasting currie's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) little ass and counting our coming 11 seeds in our dreams.  but that's not what happened.

[_33]

i don't think weber will bury the program.  i'm sure it will be ok when he's done with it.  i just think he's ten years of boring, bubbly basketball.  we don't live that long, it pisses me the eff off that currie stole ten years of my basketball viewing prime.

Yep. Boring.

There's more to college basketball than winning and losing.

[kso_FAN]

_fan, he's not going to win more than martin.  that's the baseline, because there was no earthly reason to lose martin.  obviously if we were going from wooldridge to weber we'd all be toasting currie's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) little ass and counting our coming 11 seeds in our dreams.  but that's not what happened.

I don't disagree with any of that, but its water under the bridge now.