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[OregonSmock]

What I don't think you guys understand about those numbers is they're estimated ADDED REVENUE to a specific conference.  Notre Dame brings in a lot of TV revenue for themselves, but that would likely change if they went from being an Independent to sharing revenue within a conference like the Big 10.  Hell, KU football has more recent success than Notre Dame does.

2010:
Notre Dame - 8-5, Sun Bowl in which they beat Miami 33-17
KU - 3-9, 1-7 in conference play, Sunflower Showdown in which they lost to Kansas State 59-7

2009:
Notre Dame - 6-6
KU - 5-7, 1-7 in conference play

Wow... 8-5 and 6-6 in the past two years.  KU has a 12-1, top 10, Orange Bowl season along with an 8-5 Insight Bowl season just in the past four years.  Notre Dame has never even won a BCS Bowl.  Like I said, more recent success.  


 

They've won 6 games more than KU in the past two years, but you guys have more success?

Yes, KU has more recent success than Notre Dame.  An Orange Bowl in '07 and an Insight Bowl in '08.  

[OregonSmock]

Schools like Texas, Ohio State, and Florida eclipsed Notre Dame a long time ago.  

And ku is flying damn close to the sun.

One good year in football put us 11th nationally in total revenue. 

[sonofdaxjones]

So in essence Ben, a re-structured media deal between a conference and Notre Dame could be absolutely off the charts, dwarfing Patrick-Longtime TV Insider's estimates.

ku filled their stadium every bit as much if not moreso the following year Beems and gross revenues plummeted $17 million dollars.   This is not hard.

[OregonSmock]

So in essence Ben, a re-structured media deal between a conference and Notre Dame could be absolutely off the charts, dwarfing Patrick-Longtime TV Insider's estimates.

ku filled their stadium every bit as much if not moreso the following year Beems and gross revenues plummeted $17 million dollars.   This is not hard.

This covers a five year period, 'Pad:

Institution Name    Grand Total Revenue    Grand Total Expenses    Profit

Texas    $605,108,282    $500,783,830    $104,324,452
Ohio State    $575,074,569    $516,982,310    $58,092,259
Florida    $521,026,679    $475,216,193    $45,810,486
Michigan    $475,418,749    $376,093,582    $99,325,167
Alabama    $472,696,121    $374,990,279    $97,705,842
Tennessee    $447,299,149    $435,339,648    $11,959,501
Penn State    $441,004,474    $378,106,020    $62,898,454
Wisconsin    $438,714,947    $413,421,089    $25,293,858
Louisiana State    $435,601,796    $407,465,214    $28,136,582
Auburn    $418,904,026    $376,841,279    $42,062,747
Notre Dame    $417,065,007    $313,623,490    $103,441,517
Georgia    $408,680,608    $343,635,239    $65,045,369
Iowa    $396,206,849    $344,731,540    $51,475,309
Oklahoma    $391,200,150    $380,479,633    $10,720,517
USC    $374,128,429    $374,128,429    $0
Michigan State    $373,348,695    $321,539,458    $51,809,237
Virginia    $371,891,285    $357,475,801    $14,415,484
Texas A&M    $359,862,009    $342,419,076    $17,442,933
Stanford    $359,261,704    $356,038,374    $3,223,330
Nebraska    $359,089,969    $332,714,925    $26,375,044
Kansas    $356,685,528    $297,351,141    $59,334,387
Kentucky    $340,638,906    $327,047,572    $13,591,334
South Carolina    $336,434,820    $328,674,789    $7,760,031
Minnesota    $329,448,928    $322,970,257    $6,478,671
Oklahoma State    $326,238,178    $273,959,017    $52,279,161
California    $319,553,483    $319,502,736    $50,747
Arkansas    $317,472,840    $304,516,585    $12,956,255
North Carolina    $311,318,829    $310,322,260    $996,569
UCLA    $307,518,115    $307,501,197    $16,918
Duke    $305,442,709    $304,180,138    $1,262,571
Boston College    $300,446,948    $295,093,893    $5,353,055
Washington    $297,429,491    $279,371,129    $18,058,362
Purdue    $289,997,727    $277,327,048    $12,670,679
Oregon    $287,925,483    $276,292,935    $11,632,548
Virginia Tech    $281,014,390    $252,140,462    $28,873,928
Clemson    $278,773,748    $265,776,203    $12,997,545
Florida State    $278,057,903    $271,387,906    $6,669,997
Louisville    $276,626,938    $263,116,665    $13,510,273
Connecticut    $274,438,065    $274,159,199    $278,866
Illinois    $272,272,142    $244,345,811    $27,926,331
West Virginia    $268,839,229    $240,910,022    $27,929,207
Indiana    $268,489,651    $247,066,702    $21,422,949
Arizona State    $265,675,468    $263,293,925    $2,381,543
Missouri    $256,386,080    $251,401,330    $4,984,750
Miami (FL)    $255,735,910    $242,972,602    $12,763,308
Rutgers    $245,105,184    $244,719,877    $385,307
Texas Tech    $244,451,812    $228,964,729    $15,487,083
Colorado    $241,239,561    $230,601,450    $10,638,111
Arizona    $240,762,291    $230,260,937    $10,501,354
Kansas State    $239,718,709    $202,264,641    $37,454,068
Syracuse    $237,755,312    $231,115,007    $6,640,305
Georgia Tech    $236,123,569    $234,657,630    $1,465,939
Oregon State    $232,407,604    $229,464,206    $2,943,398
Baylor    $223,543,720    $223,543,720    $0
North Carolina State    $223,022,563    $218,020,914    $5,001,649
Vanderbilt    $220,415,601    $214,755,898    $5,659,703


 

[mcmwcat]

this is like one of those coverups is worse than the crime situations.  just admitting the mistake (ND = KU) instead of trying to rationalize the initial claim (ctrl+c - ctrl+v over and over again)would be much more beneficial to all parties.  we can move on and discuss what are the best ways ku and ksu can move forward together.

[OregonSmock]

this is like one of those coverups is worse than the crime situations.  just admitting the mistake (ND = KU) instead of trying to rationalize the initial claim (ctrl+c - ctrl+v over and over again)would be much more beneficial to all parties.  we can move on and discuss what are the best ways ku and ksu can move forward together.

Again, no one is saying KU = ND when it comes to football.  The statistics from the study merely showed estimated added revenue to a specific conference.  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

[ArchE_Cat]

"Grand total" must be a newfangled accounting term. I wonder why my accountant never uses it. He'd better get up to speed or I'm gonna can him.

[CatsNShocks]

Go Irish.

[sonofdaxjones]

So what Beems . . . what does a five year period have to do with a year over year drop of $17 million dollars in revenue??  ku hit $87 million dollars 3 Fiscal Years ago and hasn't come close since.   If ku had come close since, there would be a new Gridiron Club . . . but we all know what happened there.

Oh yeah, speaking of that 5 year period, Notre Dame's Net Profits were DOUBLE ku's, while ku's were only $22 million more than K-State, and I doubt Notre Dame counts capital giving and athletic endowment giving as revenue.

[OregonSmock]

So what Beems . . . what does a five year period have to do with a year over year drop of $17 million dollars in revenue??  ku hit $87 million dollars 3 Fiscal Years ago and hasn't come close since.   If ku had come close since, there would be a new Gridiron Club . . . but we all know what happened there.

KU wants to use private funding on the Gridiron Club, and right now the economy is killing consumer spending.  No one is donating right now.  Even T. Boone Pickens has had to scale back on his contributions to Oklahoma State. 

[ednksu]

this is like one of those coverups is worse than the crime situations.  just admitting the mistake (ND = KU) instead of trying to rationalize the initial claim (ctrl+c - ctrl+v over and over again)would be much more beneficial to all parties.  we can move on and discuss what are the best ways ku and ksu can move forward together.

Again, no one is saying KU = ND when it comes to football.  The statistics from the study merely showed estimated added revenue to a specific conference.  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

JFC

Dear Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):

Here are your "statistics" again.  Straight from Frank the Tanks ass.

you simple crap do you even fact check the crap you are getting from these blogs?


Candidates   Potential New   Cable Carry   Cable Ad Increase   Est. Increase In   Est. Added Revenue   Total Added Revenue
    Households   Increase   New Market   Current Footprint   Increased Games BTN   Estimate
Texas   7,501,000   $32,404,320   $33,063,884   $25,900,800   $10,000,000   $101,369,004
Rutgers    WITH NYC   7,493,000   $32,369,760   $12,855,921   $12,572,928   $10,000,000   $67,798,609
Nebraska   1,275,000   $5,508,000   $16,992,662   $21,987,328   $10,000,000   $54,487,990
Maryland   3,586,000   $15,491,520   $13,947,657   $11,379,712   $10,000,000   $50,818,889
Boston College   3,291,000   $14,217,120   $15,022,276   $9,143,296   $10,000,000   $48,382,692
Notre Dame   n/a   n/a   $16,945,735   $20,683,520   $10,000,000   $47,629,255
Kansas   1,728,000   $7,464,960   $15,906,396   $12,948,736   $10,000,000   $46,320,092
Missouri   1,542,000   $6,661,440   $12,825,299   $16,414,720   $10,000,000   $45,901,459
Syracuse   2,600,000   $11,232,000   $12,277,805   $9,995,008   $10,000,000   $43,504,813
Connecticut   1,010,000   $4,363,200   $13,930,447   $9,786,624   $10,000,000   $38,080,271
Pittsburgh   n/a   n/a   10,682,999   $13,682,176   $10,000,000   $34,365,175
Iowa State   n/a   n/a   $9,993,125   $11,837,952   $10,000,000   $31,831,077
                         
Syracuse  WITH NYC   10,093,000   $43,601,760   $12,277,805   $9,995,008   $10,000,000   $65,874,573

[bakerman]

...  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.

[OregonSmock]

Oh yeah, speaking of that 5 year period, Notre Dame's Net Profits were DOUBLE ku's, while ku's were only $22 million more than K-State, and I doubt Notre Dame counts capital giving and athletic endowment giving as revenue.

Yeah... Revenue - Expenses = Profits


KU spent a lot of money upgrading athletic facilities over the past five years.  New football complex, new basketball practice facility, upgrades to AFH, upgrades to the adjoining athletic offices surrounding AFH, upgrades to the baseball stadium, a new baseball clubhouse, a new rowing clubhouse, a new softball stadium, new scoreboard at Memorial, etc, etc.  

[bakerman]

Wasn't a large portion of our new basketball facility funded by private donations?

[OregonSmock]

...  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.

Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?

[_33]

BMW, it's time to face facts. KSU is better in most ways over KU. Face the facts.

[bakerman]

...  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.

Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?

Academics/UNC/already being there  

[Trim]

"They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketball."

Skinny Benny, am I crazy or this sentence end in a weird/incorrect way?

[OregonSmock]

Wasn't a large portion of our new basketball facility funded by private donations?

KU's new hall of athletics was funded entirely by the Booth family. 

[bakerman]

"They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketbally."

Skinny Benny, am I crazy or this sentence end in a weird/incorrect way?

fixed

[OregonSmock]

...  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.

Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?

Academics/UNC/already being there  

I have been assured by the resident hayseeds that academics don't matter at all.  See:  KU's AAU membership.  Next.

[Trim]

"They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketbally."

Skinny Benny, am I crazy or this sentence end in a weird/incorrect way?

fixed

I knew it!

[Trim]

BTW, this is awesome.

[bakerman]

...  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.

Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?

Academics/UNC/already being there  

I have been assured by the resident hayseeds that academics don't matter at all.  See:  KU's AAU membership.  Next.

KU's academics =/= Duke's academics

KU would not raise the conference GPA the same way a Duke/Vanderbilt does for the ACC/SEC

[sonofdaxjones]

KU wants to use private funding on the Gridiron Club, and right now the economy is killing consumer spending.  No one is donating right now.  Even T. Boone Pickens has had to scale back on his contributions to Oklahoma State. 

The only reason T. Boone Pickens had "scale back" his contributions to OSU was because they lost all of his original massive donation in his energy fund, he still covered every dime of their massive stadium project and now they're building a $21 million dollar privately funded indoor practice facility.