Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 08:14:20 AM
I'm too lazy to wade through all the gabrage, someone needs to do a Phog.net realignment gems thread at some point.
Here's a few:
from the thread "Pat Forde is a Hack":
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6941542/baylor-bears-biggest-obstacles-texas-aggies-join-sec.
According to him, KU is certainly the brother of the poor, but Missouri is neither mentioned with the heavyweights, nor with the bottom feeders. Jackass. I mean, it's not altogether untrue, but at this point, no one other than OU, UT, and aTm really can say they have a seat at another table, but he sure finds a way to make sure KU isn't sitting pretty without bothering to mention where MU is.
I'm too lazy to wade through all the gabrage, someone needs to do a Phog.net realignment gems thread at some point.
Here's a few:
from the thread "Pat Forde is a Hack":
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6941542/baylor-bears-biggest-obstacles-texas-aggies-join-sec.
According to him, KU is certainly the brother of the poor, but Missouri is neither mentioned with the heavyweights, nor with the bottom feeders. Jackass. I mean, it's not altogether untrue, but at this point, no one other than OU, UT, and aTm really can say they have a seat at another table, but he sure finds a way to make sure KU isn't sitting pretty without bothering to mention where MU is.
From the thread "Regents prefer Kansas, K-State remain together":
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For the record, the state of Kansas has the most asinine system to run its universities on the planet. I have dealt with those morons. Over half of the regents hope for KU to fail. A former Regents Chairman told me repeatedly how much he disliked KU and loved KSU because that bufoon former President of KSU would send him flowers every year at the beginning of the school year. GIve me a break. He was an ESU hornet and literally hoped KU would fail. What KU has in common with the state's community colleges and Fort Hays State is beyond me. On a more positive note, I have been surprised, and pleased, to see BGL actually show some stones and stand up for KU. KSU is a cesspool and the farther KU moves from it the better.
There are lots more, add if needed.
Post by: pissclams on September 08, 2011, 08:19:03 AM
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Hilarious stuff over there. Let the delusions continue! I so hope we seperate from them.
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our athletic dept revenue dwarfs ksucks. Not sure but I think even our football revenue is at least as good if not better. I can guarantee that any conference if they had to choose only one would choose ku, not even a discussion.
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I cannot wait until KSU is playing in Conference USA, Mtn West, or the Missouri Valley Conference.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 08, 2011, 08:19:16 AM
There are lots more, add if needed.
there are just too many. it would be a full time job for one person to sit at a computer and cut and paste all day. goEMAW would have to get an intern or something and we are on a hiring freeze currently due to the current big12 conference issues.
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 08:25:19 AM
There are lots more, add if needed.
there are just too many. it would be a full time job for one person to sit at a computer and cut and paste all day. goEMAW would have to get an intern or something and we are on a hiring freeze currently due to the current big12 conference issues.
yeah, kansascitysportsfan could have his own intern. A sample of his work from "Article:KU and KSU have BE offer if ACC does not come":
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Why on earth would the Big East or any other conference take both KU and KSU?? If you want the KC market and the rest of Kansas, all you need is KU. KU and MU would be a much more attractive pairing. Any scenario that has us tied with ksu will not get us into a good conference. The BE needs to be the last resort for KU.
Post by: pissclams on September 08, 2011, 08:28:10 AM
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On one of the threads, can't recall which, somebody opined that OSU has a far better football program than KU. Is that really true? Where do reputations begin and facts end? Here are some facts on this question:
1) All-Time Head-to-Head: 29-29-3. Avg margin: 1.83 points. Since 1990 it is 7-6 Kansas.
2) All-Time winning %: KU 572-561-58 (50.5%) vs. OSU: 521-522-48 (49.9%).
3) Bowl history: KU 6-6 vs. OSU 13-8.
4) Major Bowls: KU 3 (OB 1948, OB 1969, OB 2008) OSU 1 (Sugar, 1946)
5) Recent History (wins since 1990 ): KU 116, OSU 119.
So if anyone can......please tell me how these two programs differ? You'd be hard pressed to find any two programs more similar than KU and OSU.
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Track around field::lol: ^chemhawk
KU 1
OSU 0
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Are they better as of today, Sept 4 2011? Yeah. Good thing we didn't ask that question in November 2007 after we beat them handily there to move to 10-0 and they to 5-5. And that's kinda the point: picking the proper data point at which to ask that question, only begs the actual question in the first place.
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If you're going to go by current FB results, I know of a certain "football powerhouse" with their own exclusive contract on NBC....who just got punked at home by South Florida.
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Over the past 20 years, we are nearly identical in every way. Over the past 100 years, we are nearly identical in every way. If you want to pick the specific time frame of 1971-2011 then that's your business. But I think you look really stupid doing so.
You sound like a KSU football fan, picking and choosing what years to accept sports results from.
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Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
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The reality for KSU is that it doesn't matter who likes who in Western KS. In the population centers, which is what is important for the TV deals, KU owns the state. Now, I think KSU lands in the Big East almost no matter what; however KU IMO has the Big East as somewhat of a fall back after the Pac (more likely than a lot think) and Big 10 (less likely). Maybe even the ACC, although I find that pretty unlikely too.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 08, 2011, 08:48:47 AM
"The more I ponder this whole thing, I'm starting to see where it is possible that OU may be, in a way, standing up for the old Big8. First, they see Texas demanding that the Big12 headquarters be moved to Dallas. Then they see Texas demand that the basketball tourney that had been in the same place forever be moved. Then they see one of their long time friends but rivals get so tweaked that they leave the conference that had been around for a very long time. But the biggest thing to think about is the fact that Texas was not on the map in football or basketball when they joined the Big8 to form the Big12. Don't get me wrong, Texas had had some good football historical success. But when they joined the Big8, they were a non-entity. So, what do these egomaniacs do? They latch on to the best basketball school and the best football school and sort of ride on the coat tails of these two schools while they figure out what recruiting methods etc. they can scam. They were able to power their way to the top of the Big12 leaving dead MU/OU/OSU/NU carcasses all over the place. But you could tell they never were happy that they couldn't power their way over KU in basketball (and they HATED Roy with a passion because he, as Bill also does, pounded them), so they started all of a sudden getting top NBA type recruits out of nowhere. "
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 08, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
From kusports.com, but still pretty good. I didn't realize that ku was the sole school of the conference putting UT in its place. At least he didn't list K-State among the carcasses left by Texas:
"The more I ponder this whole thing, I'm starting to see where it is possible that OU may be, in a way, standing up for the old Big8. First, they see Texas demanding that the Big12 headquarters be moved to Dallas. Then they see Texas demand that the basketball tourney that had been in the same place forever be moved. Then they see one of their long time friends but rivals get so tweaked that they leave the conference that had been around for a very long time. But the biggest thing to think about is the fact that Texas was not on the map in football or basketball when they joined the Big8 to form the Big12. Don't get me wrong, Texas had had some good football historical success. But when they joined the Big8, they were a non-entity. So, what do these egomaniacs do? They latch on to the best basketball school and the best football school and sort of ride on the coat tails of these two schools while they figure out what recruiting methods etc. they can scam. They were able to power their way to the top of the Big12 leaving dead MU/OU/OSU/NU carcasses all over the place. But you could tell they never were happy that they couldn't power their way over KU in basketball (and they HATED Roy with a passion because he, as Bill also does, pounded them), so they started all of a sudden getting top NBA type recruits out of nowhere. "
OMG, that's a good one.
Post by: Saulbadguy on September 08, 2011, 08:55:36 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 09:00:27 AM
Fescoe has been hilarious to follow during this ordeal as well.
yes!
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I cant imagine KU is involved in lawsuit w baylor. Everyone i talk to at KU seemed happy TAMU was going so everyone else could move on.
I can see KSU, ISU being involved as their options are less
Post by: mcmwcat on September 08, 2011, 09:01:36 AM
more please. tia
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 09:15:44 AM
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If it's a race to get to (4) 16 team conferences, then I don't see how the Big 10 doesn't take both KU & MU, then Syracuse & maybe Iowa State (for Iowa?). Buh-bye, K-State.
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The BOR can ask KU to use their leverage, but that doesn't mean KU has enough leverage to find a spot for KSU. Let's be honest here, I think we all know KU doesn't have the leverage of a Texas or Oklahoma. KSU has one thing going for them and that is that the KU leadership seem to be very pro-BOR (based on Zenger's quotes and BGL's history with the BOR). So they may take a Big East invite over a Pac invite simply to appease the BOR. Sucks for KU fans having two inexperienced leaders in position for a situation like this.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 09:19:55 AM
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One word: politics
If this gets political, KU is in trouble. Everyone with a brain knows that KU is the overall more attractive player in this game over KSU. The problem for KU is politics. The legislature and BOR want to play this like a sports game and win for ksu not what is best for the state or each school.
BGL played it well and has effectively (I think) laid down the KU rule - we will do what is best for KU. Hope she sticks to her guns.
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Probably not.. But I say KS, is still better off with one BCS school as opposed to two. We don't have the population that Missouri has, and Mizzou gets the privilege of being the only BCS school in their state. I think longterm wise, the money invested into 1 BCS school will benefit the state greater than trying to feed two mouths in a state this tiny when neither will ever be anything more than bad at football with a few good stretches sprinkled in here-and-there.
The state is better off pouring all state funding, fan support, and recruiting into one school see Nebraska versus two see KU and KSU. You have a better chance of producing a big time football program that way that can bring in revenue in the millions like the true powerhouse football schools. KU and KSU will never be that, they cancel each other out and play in small stadiums. Its like trying to make chicken noodle soup without the chicken. When and if the day ever comes when 3 million people relocate to the state, KS will never have the population to support a dublicate BCS institution, not with a declining population growth outside of JOCO.
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 09:23:46 AM
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Still gotta believe Philip Anschutz is a big player on KU to Pac 12.
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 09:24:23 AM
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Here is where it gets complicated. If KU gets a Pac 12 or Big 10 offer, can KS still go to the Big East? Probably not. So will the idiots in Topeka conclude 2 Big Easts are better than one Pac 12?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 09:25:34 AM
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It would suck seperating from MU into different conferences and not playing each other every year. I so hope Texas stalls out on the Pac 12 and it Snags KU and MU in the process. The best case scenario is KU/MU to the Big Ten but I don't know if thats ever going to happen.
I will be bummed if KU ends up in the BE with ksu.. This would've been potentially our best chance to get rid of the KSU albatross once and for all and become the only AQ school in our small state. Now, it looks like we may be stuck with those annoying bastards even longer. Looks like the BE will take ksu to get KU, no other conference will.
Post by: Panjandrum on September 08, 2011, 09:25:44 AM
Also, Colorado will become so nasty to us, it won't even be funny. Good oppys there too. But they kind of suck at BBSing, so it may not amount to much other than some good ol' fashioned hippie butthurt.
Post by: steve dave on September 08, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
I'm kind of rooting for the Pac now with KU just for the all-time BBSing oppys.
Also, Colorado will become so nasty to us, it won't even be funny. Good oppys there too. But they kind of suck at BBSing, so it may not amount to much other than some good ol' fashioned hippie butthurt.
Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for the Big 10 or SEC for K-State. We both seem to have about equal odds of our contenders coming through for us.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 09:27:17 AM
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First, clearly 2010 was a down year for KU football and it showed at the gate. KU averaged only 44,851 last year in what was a pretty disappointing season. And after just over 41,000 on Saturday it will be difficult in 2011 to match those 2009 numbers.
However, in 2009 KU averaged over 50,000 fans (50,581 to be exact) and that was a trend from 2005 to 2009. With a mediocre football team, KU will average what, according to the NCAA, is over 100% of capacity at Memorial Stadium. (In 2008, KU averaged 50,907.)
As for those 2009 rankings, KU would have placed 10th out of 13 teams in the big 10, very close to #9 Minnesota at 50,805/game.
KU would place 7th in the Pac-12, behind #6 Arizona at 52,555/game.
And KU would place 4th in the Big East, behind West Virginia, Pittsburgh, and South Florida.
But, again, the big point here is that these two seasons were not anomalies. They were an upward trend that began in 2005 with KU breaking attendance records every season. For mediocre football teams.
Post by: mcmwcat on September 08, 2011, 09:31:14 AM
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 08, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
I'm kind of rooting for the Pac now with KU just for the all-time BBSing oppys.
Also, Colorado will become so nasty to us, it won't even be funny. Good oppys there too. But they kind of suck at BBSing, so it may not amount to much other than some good ol' fashioned hippie butthurt.
Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for the Big 10 or SEC for K-State. We both seem to have about equal odds of our contenders coming through for us.
i'm holding out for the afc west, nl central and nba northwest. denver nuggets and okc in same bball conf would make for great bbsing.
Post by: slimz on September 08, 2011, 09:41:38 AM
QuoteFirst, clearly 2010 was a down year for KU football and it showed at the gate. KU averaged only 44,851 last year in what was a pretty disappointing season. And after just over 41,000 on Saturday it will be difficult in 2011 to match those 2009 numbers.
However, in 2009 KU averaged over 50,000 fans (50,581 to be exact) and that was a trend from 2005 to 2009. With a mediocre football team, KU will average what, according to the NCAA, is over 100% of capacity at Memorial Stadium. (In 2008, KU averaged 50,907.)
As for those 2009 rankings, KU would have placed 10th out of 13 teams in the big 10, very close to #9 Minnesota at 50,805/game.
KU would place 7th in the Pac-12, behind #6 Arizona at 52,555/game.
And KU would place 4th in the Big East, behind West Virginia, Pittsburgh, and South Florida.
But, again, the big point here is that these two seasons were not anomalies. They were an upward trend that began in 2005 with KU breaking attendance records every season. For mediocre football teams.
I'd like to see KU's attendance if they played in the Big East without Nebraska, K-State, Oklahoma, and Texas fans to fill that place up.
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
I'm kind of rooting for the Pac now with KU just for the all-time BBSing oppys.
Also, Colorado will become so nasty to us, it won't even be funny. Good oppys there too. But they kind of suck at BBSing, so it may not amount to much other than some good ol' fashioned hippie butthurt.
Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for the Big 10 or SEC for K-State. We both seem to have about equal odds of our contenders coming through for us.
Any scenario involving KU and KSU to the Pac together isn't much crazier than any scenario where KU going to the Pac alone. Serious.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 08, 2011, 09:46:35 AM
QuoteProbably not.. But I say KS, is still better off with one BCS school as opposed to two. We don't have the population that Missouri has, and Mizzou gets the privilege of being the only BCS school in their state. I think longterm wise, the money invested into 1 BCS school will benefit the state greater than trying to feed two mouths in a state this tiny when neither will ever be anything more than bad at football with a few good stretches sprinkled in here-and-there.
The state is better off pouring all state funding, fan support, and recruiting into one school see Nebraska versus two see KU and KSU. You have a better chance of producing a big time football program that way that can bring in revenue in the millions like the true powerhouse football schools. KU and KSU will never be that, they cancel each other out and play in small stadiums. Its like trying to make chicken noodle soup without the chicken. When and if the day ever comes when 3 million people relocate to the state, KS will never have the population to support a dublicate BCS institution, not with a declining population growth outside of JOCO.
So do these guys think the state funds the football teams?
Post by: CHONGS on September 08, 2011, 09:46:49 AM
Post by: Cire on September 08, 2011, 09:58:54 AM
fescoe's wife spent a LOT of time over at a HS kid(that she taught and coached) house one summer when she still taught at my HS.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 08, 2011, 10:05:27 AM
I'm kind of rooting for the Pac now with KU just for the all-time BBSing oppys.
Also, Colorado will become so nasty to us, it won't even be funny. Good oppys there too. But they kind of suck at BBSing, so it may not amount to much other than some good ol' fashioned hippie butthurt.
Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for the Big 10 or SEC for K-State. We both seem to have about equal odds of our contenders coming through for us.
Any scenario involving KU and KSU to the Pac together isn't much crazier than any scenario where KU going to the Pac alone. Serious.
i honestly think solo ku to the pac makes less sense then ku and ksu. dead serious. i really do think the bor is serious in keeping the schools together and both schools know that and maybe wouldn't even bother trying to work towards something that didn't satisfy that end.
Post by: AbeFroman on September 08, 2011, 10:25:22 AM
true story,
fescoe's wife spent a LOT of time over at a HS kid(that she taught and coached) house one summer when she still taught at my HS.
Can confirm. Southside!
Post by: AbeFroman on September 08, 2011, 10:31:46 AM
QuoteProbably not.. But I say KS, is still better off with one BCS school as opposed to two. We don't have the population that Missouri has, and Mizzou gets the privilege of being the only BCS school in their state. I think longterm wise, the money invested into 1 BCS school will benefit the state greater than trying to feed two mouths in a state this tiny when neither will ever be anything more than bad at football with a few good stretches sprinkled in here-and-there.
The state is better off pouring all state funding, fan support, and recruiting into one school see Nebraska versus two see KU and KSU. You have a better chance of producing a big time football program that way that can bring in revenue in the millions like the true powerhouse football schools. KU and KSU will never be that, they cancel each other out and play in small stadiums. Its like trying to make chicken noodle soup without the chicken. When and if the day ever comes when 3 million people relocate to the state, KS will never have the population to support a dublicate BCS institution, not with a declining population growth outside of JOCO.
So do these guys think the state funds the football teams?
They probably think the state would fund their football team if it wasn't for that pesky KSU. They probably think the state funds the basketball team.
Post by: Scary Smart on September 08, 2011, 10:39:14 AM
true story,
fescoe's wife spent a LOT of time over at a HS kid(that she taught and coached) house one summer when she still taught at my HS.
More details, plz.
Post by: pike on September 08, 2011, 10:44:28 AM
QuoteHere is where it gets complicated. If KU gets a Pac 12 or Big 10 offer, can KS still go to the Big East? Probably not. So will the idiots in Topeka conclude 2 Big Easts are better than one Pac 12?
:facepalm:
These people are very low IQ
Post by: BMWWcat on September 08, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
"What is Kansas to do? Reports says we could get an invite from Pac 12 or Big East if the Big 12 explodes. Really just depends on how selfish Texas is. Just want to end up in the same conference as Missouri. Really enjoy beating the crap out of them every year."
"The Big East should be Kansas fall back position. The Board of Regents better not get in the way if we get an offer from PAC12 or Big 10"
:lol:
Post by: EMAWzified on September 08, 2011, 11:07:41 AM
Post by: KITNfury on September 08, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
some gems from facebook:The fact they even think the Big 10 is even a remote possibility is hilarious.
"What is Kansas to do? Reports says we could get an invite from Pac 12 or Big East if the Big 12 explodes. Really just depends on how selfish Texas is. Just want to end up in the same conference as Missouri. Really enjoy beating the crap out of them every year."
"The Big East should be Kansas fall back position. The Board of Regents better not get in the way if we get an offer from PAC12 or Big 10"
:lol:
Post by: AbeFroman on September 08, 2011, 11:10:46 AM
true story,
fescoe's wife spent a LOT of time over at a HS kid(that she taught and coached) house one summer when she still taught at my HS.
More details, plz.
I was a sophomore. She taught sophomore year Health. She was always flirting with the soccer players in my class. One of said soccer players told us she partied with his older brother and his friends (also soccer players). She coached the swim team. Allegedly it was the really good dude on the swim team that she was banging. She did not return to teach the following year. A couple years later she's married to Fescoe. Not sure why anyone would want to bang her, she was short, chunky and had Trichotillomania
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 11:11:41 AM
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I think if the proverbial sh*t hits the fan which is OU leaving, KU and MU get grabbed by the Big 10. It makes sense geographically and both institutions are AAU members.
Post by: AbeFroman on September 08, 2011, 11:15:21 AM
QuoteI think if the proverbial sh*t hits the fan which is OU leaving, KU and MU get grabbed by the Big 10. It makes sense geographically and both institutions are AAU members.
Like Nebraska?
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 08, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
KU's chances of getting in the Big 10 vs. my chance of dating Halle Berry.
I would bet the moneyline on your date, :facepalm: dumbass squawks
Post by: Panjandrum on September 08, 2011, 11:22:03 AM
I'm kind of rooting for the Pac now with KU just for the all-time BBSing oppys.
Also, Colorado will become so nasty to us, it won't even be funny. Good oppys there too. But they kind of suck at BBSing, so it may not amount to much other than some good ol' fashioned hippie butthurt.
Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for the Big 10 or SEC for K-State. We both seem to have about equal odds of our contenders coming through for us.
Any scenario involving KU and KSU to the Pac together isn't much crazier than any scenario where KU going to the Pac alone. Serious.
i honestly think solo ku to the pac makes less sense then ku and ksu. dead serious. i really do think the bor is serious in keeping the schools together and both schools know that and maybe wouldn't even bother trying to work towards something that didn't satisfy that end.
BGL doesn't have the knowledge or concern to really care all that much. Schulz does. And he has Currie and KU has Zulu.
KU may have the better hand to play, but we have a better poker player at the table. Odds are that we'll walk away with the same stuff they do.
Post by: Panjandrum on September 08, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
QuoteI think if the proverbial sh*t hits the fan which is OU leaving, KU and MU get grabbed by the Big 10. It makes sense geographically and both institutions are AAU members.
The Big Ten is the one conference in this nation that trumps all due to the viability of their network and the prestige of the CIC.
They have a pecking order, and it starts with ND and ends somewhere around Mizzou. KU is probably three or four schools removed from Mizzou.
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2011, 11:26:46 AM
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KU has more money than Oregon, Oregon State, and ASU combined.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/07/pac-12-expansion-the-case-for-the-oklahoma-schools/
Post by: unleashthemob on September 08, 2011, 11:32:40 AM
Post by: EMAWzified on September 08, 2011, 11:54:17 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on September 08, 2011, 01:02:59 PM
HAS OPTIONS!
Post by: fatty fat fat on September 08, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
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The Big Ten is the one conference in this nation that trumps all due to the viability of their network and the prestige of the CIC.
They have a pecking order, and it starts with ND and ends somewhere around Mizzou. KU is probably three or four schools removed from Mizzou.
Um. Okay dude. Thanks for the update.
Post by: Scary Smart on September 08, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
true story,
fescoe's wife spent a LOT of time over at a HS kid(that she taught and coached) house one summer when she still taught at my HS.
More details, plz.
I was a sophomore. She taught sophomore year Health. She was always flirting with the soccer players in my class. One of said soccer players told us she partied with his older brother and his friends (also soccer players). She coached the swim team. Allegedly it was the really good dude on the swim team that she was banging. She did not return to teach the following year. A couple years later she's married to Fescoe. Not sure why anyone would want to bang her, she was short, chunky and had Trichotillomania
lol, thanks
Post by: jtksu on September 08, 2011, 01:58:01 PM
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 08, 2011, 02:09:22 PM
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The best option is staying in a BCS conference with Missourah. Hopefully, ksu doesn't get in the way of that.
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KU could compete in the ACC in football.
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Frankly, without KU, ksu wouldn't be even a thought to any BCS conference.
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If the Big 12 implodes, the best case scenerio would be KU & MU joining OU & OSU in the Pac(16). Kansas State has no room in that conference. Let the Big East try to survive by bringing on ksu, bu and isu. Please, please, please don't couple us with ksu. MU is much more important than the staties
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The idea that KSU has 99% the same chances as KU is just delusional. The Big East is the only possible option for KSU. Period. End of story and it's largely predicated on the Big East getting KU and MU as well.
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You wish. KSU absolutely does not have 99% of the options KU does.
Post by: hemmy on September 08, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
Not from phog, but from the KU/KSU to the pac article comments:QuoteKU has more money than Oregon, Oregon State, and ASU combined.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/07/pac-12-expansion-the-case-for-the-oklahoma-schools/
Same guy:
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People also forget that in 2008 KU finished in the top 5 in football and won an Orange Bowl. But yeah we suck at football.
Post by: ew2x4 on September 08, 2011, 02:49:13 PM
Not from phog, but from the KU/KSU to the pac article comments:QuoteKU has more money than Oregon, Oregon State, and ASU combined.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/07/pac-12-expansion-the-case-for-the-oklahoma-schools/
Same guy:QuotePeople also forget that in 2008 KU finished in the top 5 in football and won an Orange Bowl. But yeah we suck at football.
I snorted at that last one. Yikes.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 08, 2011, 02:55:21 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 08, 2011, 03:04:50 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 08, 2011, 03:31:27 PM
I need to ask, do any of you need any further convincing that ku message boards are nothing short of being handed the keys to Tiffany and being told to go in and help yourself to anything and everything you want?
whatever. this place is nothing more than the adolescent board.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 08, 2011, 03:34:43 PM
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on September 08, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
Someone should ask them how many Pac 12 teams have tracks around their fields....or Big Ten teams....or even, *gasp* Big East teams.Not from phog, but from the KU/KSU to the pac article comments:QuoteKU has more money than Oregon, Oregon State, and ASU combined.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/07/pac-12-expansion-the-case-for-the-oklahoma-schools/
Same guy:QuotePeople also forget that in 2008 KU finished in the top 5 in football and won an Orange Bowl. But yeah we suck at football.
I snorted at that last one. Yikes.
Post by: DQ12 on September 08, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Just Washington I think - and they're tearing down their stadium.Someone should ask them how many Pac 12 teams have tracks around their fields....or Big Ten teams....or even, *gasp* Big East teams.Not from phog, but from the KU/KSU to the pac article comments:QuoteKU has more money than Oregon, Oregon State, and ASU combined.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/07/pac-12-expansion-the-case-for-the-oklahoma-schools/
Same guy:QuotePeople also forget that in 2008 KU finished in the top 5 in football and won an Orange Bowl. But yeah we suck at football.
I snorted at that last one. Yikes.
Post by: jtksu on September 08, 2011, 04:46:28 PM
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on September 08, 2011, 04:52:17 PM
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 08, 2011, 05:00:41 PM
They're tearing down Husky stadium? That sucks. Are they building the new one on the same site? That location is incrdible. :love:
Not tearing it down. Doing a $250 million remodel and building millions of $ worth of other athletic facilities around it.
Post by: jtksu on September 08, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 08, 2011, 05:28:48 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 08, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
Post by: FP TC etc. on September 08, 2011, 05:58:30 PM
I always thought Ben was as delusional as KU fans got. I'm realizing now that he's the standard.
Yeah he's actually very level headed in comparison.
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on September 08, 2011, 06:04:34 PM
I wouldn't say he is level headed per se, but he is level with all the other KU retards that think they are more important than they really are.I always thought Ben was as delusional as KU fans got. I'm realizing now that he's the standard.
Yeah he's actually very level headed in comparison.
Post by: babytears on September 08, 2011, 07:05:29 PM
Post by: pike on September 08, 2011, 07:14:48 PM
Serious now, chums. Wouldn't you guys be just a little embarrased if, say, fans from LA or Eugene or the like had to travel to Manhattan, KS for a sports match? When I was a young boy, I remember the apprehension I felt when my cousins from DC were traveling to my shitty little KS town to visit. Before the visit they probably just thought I lived in a shitty town, but when they arrived they would KNOW how shitty it was. And then they came and looked down on me and laughed and I felt sad. You've had to endure people from Austin and Lawrence laughing at you and poking fun, wouldn't you like to avoid another batch of mean cousins? Wouldn't you rather have your cousins from Laramie visit? Do you see what I'm saying?
:AA:
Post by: pc5k on September 08, 2011, 07:19:41 PM
Serious now, chums. Wouldn't you guys be just a little embarrased if, say, fans from LA or Eugene or the like had to travel to Manhattan, KS for a sports match? When I was a young boy, I remember the apprehension I felt when my cousins from DC were traveling to my shitty little KS town to visit. Before the visit they probably just thought I lived in a shitty town, but when they arrived they would KNOW how shitty it was. And then they came and looked down on me and laughed and I felt sad. You've had to endure people from Austin and Lawrence laughing at you and poking fun, wouldn't you like to avoid another batch of mean cousins? Wouldn't you rather have your cousins from Laramie visit? Do you see what I'm saying?
:AA:
Doesn't it suck that people from Eugene and LA would have to fly into mci and then drive all the way to lawrence(flyover country) when they can fly right into manhappiness and drive 10 minutes to ksu?
Post by: babytears on September 08, 2011, 07:24:19 PM
Post by: fatty fat fat on September 08, 2011, 07:25:25 PM
Would you rather walk to a blowjob or drive to herpes? Riddle me that. The 30 minutes in the car to Lawrence allows for the excitement to build, fuckers.
It's at least 50 minutes (65 minutes if you want to stop for a hot-dog (which 90% of people do)) and the MHK flights are ridiculously convenient. Just admit it.
Post by: Kat Kid on September 08, 2011, 07:27:49 PM
Would you rather walk to a blowjob or drive to herpes? Riddle me that. The 30 minutes in the car to Lawrence allows for the excitement to build, fuckers.
outted. You never had cousins from cool places at all. Cousins from cool places come to town and turn the town out. I have never had more fun in Manhattan, KS than with my cousins from Philly, Detroit or NYC. They put on some Ralph Lauren overalls and drink Manhattans until we catch a nice buzz, then we hit on loose women in jean skirts and boots.
Post by: babytears on September 08, 2011, 07:28:47 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on September 08, 2011, 07:30:02 PM
It is really convenient for me to drive to Salina. Way more convenient than getting to New York.
Truck Stop Love was a cool band, but is not a cool lifestyle. Vaya con Dios chulo.
Post by: pc5k on September 08, 2011, 07:50:10 PM
Would you rather walk to a blowjob or drive to herpes? Riddle me that. The 30 minutes in the car to Lawrence allows for the excitement to build, fuckers.
I guess you're right, anybody from the pacXX would have alot of excitement driving 50(not 30) minutes from mci knowing their about to kick the crap out of the worst football team the big 12 had. Walk to a blowjob? I guess you're the headgiver, amirite phaggot?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2011, 08:02:50 PM
So do KU fans simply refuse to acknowledge that KU's football team is a dumpster fire in the making(or already ablaze)? Do they not realize that this whole conference realignment is based on football? That KSU has a much more impressive football program that is improving their stadium, and that KU had to covertly tear down signs promoting stadium improvements because they couldn't drum up the funds for their D-1AA football program? Or the simple fact that no one gives a crap about anything that happens in Kansas? Maybe those guys need to wake the eff up and get on board with their agricultural overlords in Manhattan and hope for the best. :comeatme:
KU has the worst overall athletic program in the Big 12. 13-1
Post by: pike on September 08, 2011, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: unleashthemob on September 08, 2011, 08:14:36 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on September 08, 2011, 08:24:51 PM
hummm....opening night of NFL football.....Sproles/Nelson wow! not your household ku names...suck it bitches!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 08, 2011, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: unleashthemob on September 08, 2011, 08:32:47 PM
K-State people only stay in Kansas.ku people move across the the border to kcmo
Post by: babytears on September 08, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
Ever been to Salina? Well, Manhattan is kinda like that, but more salinans between the ages of 18 and 24. Like if salina south high was a lot bigger and the students were a little older. And we suck at all sports. We were pretty good at football 10 years ago, but we are awful at everything now. Terrible. And we wear purple. Can't forget that part. Mind if we join your club?
Your friend,
Dr. Powercat
Post by: unleashthemob on September 08, 2011, 08:39:07 PM
or San FranciscoK-State people only stay in Kansas.ku people move across the the border to kcmo
Post by: Panjandrum on September 08, 2011, 08:39:31 PM
It's scary what Washington could become given their location, and the fact that unlike other schools in highly urbanized/developed areas, all of their facilities are on campus and the setting is to say the least, elite.
I've flown over it a couple of times in a prop plane, so I got a decent view of it from a shorter distance. You couldn't pick a better spot for a stadium even if you bought a gorgeous piece of land and built a stadium on it with pro stadium dollars.
Just fantastic.
Post by: mcmwcat on September 08, 2011, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2011, 08:47:18 PM
Dear PAC47,
Ever been to Salina? Well, Manhattan is kinda like that, but more salinans between the ages of 18 and 24. Like if salina south high was a lot bigger and the students were a little older. And we suck at all sports. We were pretty good at football 10 years ago, but we are awful at everything now. Terrible. And we wear purple. Can't forget that part. Mind if we join your club?
Your friend,
Dr. Powercat
Dear Dr. Powercat-
We like how you 13-1'd the other team in your state. That, and your NFL superstars are lighting up the primetime stage!
Come on over. Leave ku please though. We think they want to stay with Washburn anyway.
PAC47
Post by: babytears on September 08, 2011, 08:52:08 PM
bt, do you have any phog.net realignment gems?
What am I? Your god damned babysitter? Read the posts, analyze them, then make an assessment on their value. Jesus.
Post by: unleashthemob on September 08, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Post by: mcmwcat on September 08, 2011, 08:53:41 PM
bt, do you have any phog.net realignment gems?
What am I? Your god damned babysitter? Read the posts, analyze them, then make an assessment on their value. Jesus.
no prob. thanks anyway
Post by: mcmwcat on September 08, 2011, 08:59:26 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 08, 2011, 09:02:17 PM
great thread
how do you get unbanned at fog.net???
Post by: pc5k on September 08, 2011, 10:05:06 PM
bt, do you have any phog.net realignment gems?
What am I? Your god damned babysitter? Read the posts, analyze them, then make an assessment on their value. Jesus.
That Fiero in your avatar is probably what you drive isn't it? That's very KU of you- loser. Fiero, what all true phags drive.
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 08, 2011, 10:13:01 PM
http://boards.kusports.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=football&Number=2074910&page=0&fpart=all (http://boards.kusports.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=football&Number=2074910&page=0&fpart=all)
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For our kitten friends:
When it comes to conference realignment and KU vs. KSU, please consider the FACT that football does NOT matter. Both programs blow. Historically, KU is far superior. Recently, they are on par with eachother. Nobody cares about football in the state of Kansas. That is not the draw.
Now, what is attractive about KU vs. KSU in conference realignment? Academics, basketball and brand recognition.
Academics? KU. Basketball? KU. Brand Recognition? KU.
KU wins.
Again, hope we are not hindered by little brother in this process. Would much rather be paired with MU Slavers. Keep us with our rival, dammit!
End of story.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 10:15:36 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 08, 2011, 10:20:38 PM
It is in the best long term interests of the University. We have more in common with them than any other University left in the conference. The LHN doesn't hurt us. Unequal revenue sharing has not hurt us. Why would we want to separate.
Post by: pike on September 08, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
Post by: Scary Smart on September 08, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
bt, do you have any phog.net realignment gems?
What am I? Your god damned babysitter? Read the posts, analyze them, then make an assessment on their value. Jesus.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2011, 10:43:01 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 08, 2011, 10:43:59 PM
if we joined the BE what would even be the point of the NCAA tournament?
Might as well crown the BE champion.
UT would rather have us then TT and the PAC really does not care what UT wants any way. They are not going to let UT tell them from the start what to do.
Cutting KSU loose will finally allow Kansas to be the ONLY featured university in a state that only needs one and has had to carry 2 for far, far too long. Hotshot recruits that want to play in our area (or stay home) will have one option. Kansas. It just makes sense.
Me and 90% of Jayhawk nation want to absolutely see KU split away from ksu. We've shared recruits, state funding, and fan support with you long enough. Its time to be the only featured school in a small state that only needs one AQ school. ksu brings nothing, I repeat NOTHING that you don't already recieve with KU. KU brings the KC market and the rest of Kansas by itself.. KSU is not needed for anything but the Sun Belt Conference.
Once the realignment happens, it'll only take so long before fence-sitters get tired of MWC football and turn their attention to KU. As anxious as some of our fans seem to be, I don't think I could take this whole thing if I were a Wildcat fan.
KSU fits much better in the Mountain West. That is where they should go.
It's certainly not as K-State dominated as it was in the mid-90s. Maybe I saw more KU stuff because I was at the wedding of my old roommate at KU, but I do know plenty of his high school classmates were also in Lawrence at the same time we were.
i lived in colby ks in nw kansas for almost three years. it was exceedingly more pro ku.
Would love to know who is source is for the little morsel that KSU may end up in the ACC. Maybe it is just that his sentence structure is so poor that I misread that bit of information.
The only part of the state that is even remotely close to being pro KSU as opposed to KU is western KS.
The reality for KSU is that it doesn't matter who likes who in Western KS. In the population centers, which is what is important for the TV deals, KU owns the state. Now, I think KSU lands in the Big East almost no matter what; however KU IMO has the Big East as somewhat of a fall back after the Pac (more likely than a lot think) and Big 10 (less likely). Maybe even the ACC, although I find that pretty unlikely too.
Kansas has also received feelers from the Pac-12 and Big East, sources said. Kansas State has also received feelers from the Big East, sources said.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261031
KU and KSU most likely will be split up, but let's not pretend either will end up in a non-AQ conference.
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 08, 2011, 10:58:02 PM
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no one ever suggested that the '08 season WAS a fluke.
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It is a myth that KU has a football attendance problem.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 08, 2011, 11:00:27 PM
Post by: pike on September 08, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
Quoteno one ever suggested that the '08 season WAS a fluke.QuoteIt is a myth that KU has a football attendance problem.
Groupon to the rescue!
Post by: pike on September 08, 2011, 11:07:16 PM
Quoteno one ever suggested that the '08 season WAS a fluke.QuoteIt is a myth that KU has a football attendance problem.
Groupon to the rescue!
And free hand outs for the students.
Somehow they still come up short by about 10k
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Quoteno one ever suggested that the '08 season WAS a fluke.QuoteIt is a myth that KU has a football attendance problem.
Groupon to the rescue!
And free hand outs for the students.
Somehow they still come up short by about 10k
AlexGold Alex Gold
In case you haven't heard...KU is handing out complimentary tickets to students for this weekend's football game vs Northern Illinois
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 08, 2011, 11:08:10 PM
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All I can say is that I am really dissapointed in the leadership of KU if we end up in the Big East. We are Kansas and should expect more from our Chancellor and Athletic Director than to be a leftover in a leftover conference.
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 08, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
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We would be slightly less dominate in the Big East than we are in the Big 12
Post by: Norm93 on September 08, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
Serious now, chums. Wouldn't you guys be just a little embarrased if, say, fans from LA or Eugene or the like had to travel to Manhattan, KS for a sports match? When I was a young boy, I remember the apprehension I felt when my cousins from DC were traveling to my shitty little KS town to visit. Before the visit they probably just thought I lived in a shitty town, but when they arrived they would KNOW how shitty it was. And then they came and looked down on me and laughed and I felt sad. You've had to endure people from Austin and Lawrence laughing at you and poking fun, wouldn't you like to avoid another batch of mean cousins? Wouldn't you rather have your cousins from Laramie visit? Do you see what I'm saying?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzuQfop4tc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzuQfop4tc)
:50...honoring MHK. :AA:
Post by: unleashthemob on September 08, 2011, 11:24:04 PM
Post by: kim carnes on September 08, 2011, 11:30:32 PM
Post by: mcmwcat on September 09, 2011, 06:37:54 AM
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on September 09, 2011, 07:09:27 AM
bt, do you have any phog.net realignment gems?
What am I? Your god damned babysitter? Read the posts, analyze them, then make an assessment on their value. Jesus.
That Fiero in your avatar is probably what you drive isn't it? That's very KU of you- loser. Fiero, what all true phags drive.
:facepalm:
Post by: Kermit on September 09, 2011, 08:48:38 AM
Post by: pissclams on September 09, 2011, 08:55:34 AM
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 09, 2011, 08:57:43 AM
anyone remember when ESPN referred to ku as portugal. boy those jayhawks were mad about that one.
I enjoy when Scott Van Pelt calls them beakers
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 09, 2011, 09:53:48 AM
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Well, Brady McCullough continues to be a piece of ****. Love having him as our beat writer. In the midst of the conference situation and a burgeoning football season we get this. Maybe he can tweet more about the **** storm at Michigan again this week. Hey Brady, you and your giant forehead can go **** themselves.
www.kansascity.com/2011/09/08/...ew-perkins.html
Post by: hemmy on September 09, 2011, 10:06:32 AM
Quoteno one ever suggested that the '08 season WAS a fluke.QuoteIt is a myth that KU has a football attendance problem.
Doesn't he mean '07?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2011, 10:12:13 AM
Like going two entire seasons and only playing 1 Final Top 25 team during the regular season (a loss), followed up by one of the biggest free falls in college football history . . . yet, they still want to get all :curse: when people call 2008 a fluke.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 09, 2011, 10:14:44 AM
Things that ku fans can never seem to reconcile themselves with.
Like going two entire seasons and only playing 1 Final Top 25 team during the regular season (a loss), followed up by one of the biggest free falls in college football history . . . yet, they still want to get all :curse: when people call 2008 a fluke.
Any actual ku fan readily admits it was as big a fluke as miracle on ice, David over Goliath or their 1988 basketball title.
Post by: Spaces on September 09, 2011, 10:35:04 AM
little brother doesn't want to play with us anymore. :frown: gotta let them win more than 1 this yearYou kind of had to know it would happen at some point, people are just simply sick of playing (and automatically losing to) us.
We need more UTs, it's almost like they enjoy losing to us. Thanks for being good sports, UT.
Post by: Scary Smart on September 09, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
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still need a couple youth tix...anyone have extras...if so I'll have a couple beers in the cooler for ya!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 09, 2011, 11:11:15 AM
Also kinda OT, but KU fans are trading a couple of beers for a couple of tickets to their football game tomorrow.Quotestill need a couple youth tix...anyone have extras...if so I'll have a couple beers in the cooler for ya!
They are overpaying. Grossly. The market rate is $0.00.
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 09, 2011, 11:12:53 AM
Also kinda OT, but KU fans are trading a couple of beers for a couple of tickets to their football game tomorrow.Quotestill need a couple youth tix...anyone have extras...if so I'll have a couple beers in the cooler for ya!
They are overpaying. Grossly. The market rate is $0.00.
No doubt... wish I had a few tix, could scam the eff out of people for like a 12er :kstategrad:
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 09, 2011, 12:48:54 PM
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I like the track, it's classy...or classical. It sets KU apart like Allen Fieldhouse. Three national championships in track and field is something you shouldn't walk away from but embrace.
Post by: broXcore on September 09, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2FLike.png&hash=fbda90029012e395f3c9c3f320daf3245f345b4b)QuoteI like the track, it's classy...or classical. It sets KU apart like Allen Fieldhouse. Three national championships in track and field is something you shouldn't walk away from but embrace.
Post by: pike on September 09, 2011, 12:52:59 PM
If I can go to Lawrence and get a Katz ticket for a 40oz and a book of zig zags....I'd be happy.
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 09, 2011, 12:53:33 PM
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I don't get the SEC not wanting us
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 09, 2011, 12:55:21 PM
QuoteI don't get the SEC not wanting us
This CAN'T be real.
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 09, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
QuoteI don't get the SEC not wanting us
This CAN'T be real.
Context:
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The Big East: If it all goes to hell, we will land in the BEast. We will land at least there. Which is fine, for now. But if it goes to 16-team megas, the BE will get raided by the ACC/SEC/and big 10. Gone will be UConn, 'Cuse, Pitt, and WVU (at least). How can that conference survive after losing those members? If we end up in the BE, we will be right back here in a year or two.
- ACC/SEC/big 10: Doesn't seem to be much interest from any of these conferences. Perhaps a little from the ACC and the the big 10, but almost none from the SEC. I don't get the SEC not wanting us; they have a basic monopoly on football, and they don't need another contender in that sport. Where they do need a contender is basketball- and we give them that in spades. And before people go off on FB money v BB money, remember that there is a $14.8 Billion deal for the tourney in place. If the 4 mega-conferences do away with the the NCAA, then that revenue will be that much more important. Even if they don't get rid of the NCAAs, there is still money in BB.
The big 10 would be great geographically and monetarily; but, as a KU BBall fan first, I don't relish the opportunity to play in games where the first one to 45 wins the game. But I would take an invite right now. We are an AAU member, so we have that going. But past that, the big 10 seems like they don't have the room for us.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
But here's what your average ku tuck doesn't get. The SEC has won the national title twice in the last 10 years, they regularly have a least one team in the Final Four already, and as Larry Scott so correctly pointed out, basketball TV money is diluted and the NCAA tourney while a nice event, it's overall payout given the formula is chump change compared to TV contracts where football provides the mother lode.
The SEC already has a Kentucky; they don't really want another one.
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 09, 2011, 01:06:30 PM
Post by: 06wildcat on September 09, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
QuoteI don't get the SEC not wanting us
This CAN'T be real.
Context:QuoteThe Big East: If it all goes to hell, we will land in the BEast. We will land at least there. Which is fine, for now. But if it goes to 16-team megas, the BE will get raided by the ACC/SEC/and big 10. Gone will be UConn, 'Cuse, Pitt, and WVU (at least). How can that conference survive after losing those members? If we end up in the BE, we will be right back here in a year or two.
- ACC/SEC/big 10: Doesn't seem to be much interest from any of these conferences. Perhaps a little from the ACC and the the big 10, but almost none from the SEC. I don't get the SEC not wanting us; they have a basic monopoly on football, and they don't need another contender in that sport. Where they do need a contender is basketball- and we give them that in spades. And before people go off on FB money v BB money, remember that there is a $14.8 Billion deal for the tourney in place. If the 4 mega-conferences do away with the the NCAA, then that revenue will be that much more important. Even if they don't get rid of the NCAAs, there is still money in BB.
The big 10 would be great geographically and monetarily; but, as a KU BBall fan first, I don't relish the opportunity to play in games where the first one to 45 wins the game. But I would take an invite right now. We are an AAU member, so we have that going. But past that, the big 10 seems like they don't have the room for us.
The context is even worse. JFC, it's not the big teams winning that makes the NCAA tournament worth $14.8 billion. It's the big teams losing to directional schools that makes it worth that much.
Post by: EMAWzified on September 09, 2011, 01:39:47 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 09, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Post by: jtksu on September 09, 2011, 02:18:41 PM
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 09, 2011, 02:43:01 PM
QuoteI don't get the SEC not wanting us
This CAN'T be real.
Context:QuoteThe Big East: If it all goes to hell, we will land in the BEast. We will land at least there. Which is fine, for now. But if it goes to 16-team megas, the BE will get raided by the ACC/SEC/and big 10. Gone will be UConn, 'Cuse, Pitt, and WVU (at least). How can that conference survive after losing those members? If we end up in the BE, we will be right back here in a year or two.
- ACC/SEC/big 10: Doesn't seem to be much interest from any of these conferences. Perhaps a little from the ACC and the the big 10, but almost none from the SEC. I don't get the SEC not wanting us; they have a basic monopoly on football, and they don't need another contender in that sport. Where they do need a contender is basketball- and we give them that in spades. And before people go off on FB money v BB money, remember that there is a $14.8 Billion deal for the tourney in place. If the 4 mega-conferences do away with the the NCAA, then that revenue will be that much more important. Even if they don't get rid of the NCAAs, there is still money in BB.
The big 10 would be great geographically and monetarily; but, as a KU BBall fan first, I don't relish the opportunity to play in games where the first one to 45 wins the game. But I would take an invite right now. We are an AAU member, so we have that going. But past that, the big 10 seems like they don't have the room for us.
The context is even worse. JFC, it's not the big teams winning that makes the NCAA tournament worth $14.8 billion. It's the big teams losing to directional schools that makes it worth that much.
Maybe because KU is the biggest school that consistently loses to the directional schools, they're worth more than anyone to the NCAA tournament? :ck:
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 09, 2011, 04:49:17 PM
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ksu gives away free basketball tickets to students too, while they were a top 25 team no less
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/121509aac.html
Yes, allowing students with season tickets to go to every game of the season is exactly the same as throwing tickets at people who haven't spent a dime.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2011, 05:02:23 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2011, 02:46:45 PM
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I really don't give a **** about K-state, imo they should never had been in the Big 12 (should had been Utah). Let them die in the Mountain West.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 13, 2011, 02:55:23 PM
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 13, 2011, 03:01:17 PM
The butthurt over KSU is much more prevalent on the FB board than the BB board:QuoteI really don't give a **** about K-state, imo they should never had been in the Big 12 (should had been Utah). Let them die in the Mountain West.
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Post by: deputy dawg on September 13, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 13, 2011, 04:13:16 PM
"You're all finally realizing what the rest of the country outside of Kansas has known for years: KU is the only school in the state with a national following and worthy of a place in a BCS conference. Heck, no one outside of Kansas even knows there is a Kansas "State" as well. Your only hope is to suck up to the BoR and KU and beg us to let you come along for the ride. Just has you've been doing for the last 100+ years. You'll do just fine against the Wyomings of the world. "
What has made us realize this?
Post by: bonercat on September 13, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
"You're all finally realizing what the rest of the country outside of Kansas has known for years: KU is the only school in the state with a national following and worthy of a place in a BCS conference. Heck, no one outside of Kansas even knows there is a Kansas "State" as well. Your only hope is to suck up to the BoR and KU and beg us to let you come along for the ride. Just has you've been doing for the last 100+ years. You'll do just fine against the Wyomings of the world. "
Says the fan of the team that lost to North Dakota State who is a mighty member of the Missouri Valley Conference.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 13, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
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What has made us realize this?
Conference realignment.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 13, 2011, 04:24:30 PM
Post by: Ira Hayes on September 13, 2011, 04:52:33 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 13, 2011, 04:58:45 PM
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As a bit of compromise, we could designate two women's teams to join the BCS too, perhaps the Soccer team, and the Volleyball team? I honestly just don't want all of the revenue being sucked up by travel. KU Soccer vs UNC would be a fun game to watch!
Post by: pissclams on September 13, 2011, 05:02:56 PM
but i guess it would be fun if you enjoy pain :dunno:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 13, 2011, 05:03:44 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
So just scrap football? Not a horrible idea. It isn't generating any $$.
Post by: Ira Hayes on September 13, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
What conference is VCU in?
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 05:20:05 PM
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 13, 2011, 05:22:31 PM
Yeah, there's absolutely no difference between KU and K-State when it comes to realignment. Forget about the fact that KU has an elite basketball program, a top 20 national following, an AAU membership, and owns a majority of a relatively large TV market (Kansas City).
:lol:
:facepalm:
Post by: pike on September 13, 2011, 05:26:10 PM
Yeah, there's absolutely no difference between KU and K-State when it comes to realignment. Forget about the fact that KU has an elite basketball program, a top 20 national following, an AAU membership, and owns a majority of a relatively large TV market (Kansas City).
:lol:
:facepalm:
Did beems copy/paste that or did he post that himself?
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 05:27:11 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
So just scrap football? Not a horrible idea. It isn't generating any $$.
That's funny.
http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/ (http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/)
Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 05:29:20 PM
their idea of national recognition is moving somewhere else, finding an alumni backer club or watch party and than fapping with each other about how much of a national brand they are while ignoring the fact they are at an alumni party.
Post by: wetwillie on September 13, 2011, 05:29:33 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
So just scrap football? Not a horrible idea. It isn't generating any $$.
That's funny.
http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/ (http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/)
Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10
:sdeek: Oklahoma State dwarfing lil bro OU by over ten million :ohno:
Post by: AbeFroman on September 13, 2011, 05:30:48 PM
Yeah, there's absolutely no difference between KU and K-State when it comes to realignment. Forget about the fact that KU has an elite basketball program, a top 20 national following, an AAU membership, and owns a majority of a relatively large TV market (Kansas City).
:lol:
Wait, is Beems contributing to posting phog.net realignment gems or is that really his?
Clearly someone still doesn't get it that basketball means nothing in terms of conference realignment. Neither does AAU, Nebraska lost theirs right after going to the big 10. Neither do walmart t-shirt sales figures. I won't even comment on Kansas City being a "relatively large TV market"
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 05:31:16 PM
The highest rated Saturday night ESPN basketball game in years . . . the ku vs K-State game a couple of years ago . . . and ku has been in similar games many times, and didn't get anywhere close to those ratings.
At the NCAA tourney a couple of years ago after ku taken out by Iran, the TV ratings in KC "dropped" from a 38 to a still dominate 34 share for the K-State game and that's with thousands of tv sets getting kicked in by low self esteem bandwagon ku fans.
K-State has hosted ESPN Gameday for BOTH football and basketball, one of an elite group of schools (that excludes ku) to do so.
ku's athletic budget isn't even anywhere close to $86 million these days, they barely made $70 million dollars in total revenues last year and that's with $3.5 million in assistance from the school and student fees.
Of course ku athletics counts capital giving as revenue and puts their facilities that are technically state property on their books as assets (K-State does not).
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 13, 2011, 05:31:46 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
So just scrap football? Not a horrible idea. It isn't generating any $$.
That's funny.
http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/ (http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/)
Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10
"2007 Athletic Revenue by School"
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 13, 2011, 05:32:15 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on September 13, 2011, 05:33:29 PM
Why do they care at all about this? They should be looking for an easy basketball league to dominate. The Summit League would be a good fit.
KU already dominates the Big 12... I think we're ready for a little bit of a challenge.
So just scrap football? Not a horrible idea. It isn't generating any $$.
That's funny.
http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/ (http://newsburglar.com/2009/08/18/college-athletic-department-budget/)
Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10
Good job using numbers calculated right after the miracle season. I bet those numbers are the same since Mangino and Perkins are still steering the ship... oh wait
Post by: Scary Smart on September 13, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 05:36:06 PM
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/16/most-valuable-college-basketball-teams-business-sports-college-basketball_slide_5.html (http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/16/most-valuable-college-basketball-teams-business-sports-college-basketball_slide_5.html)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.forbes.com%2Fmedia%2F2010%2F03%2F16%2F0316_kansas-jayhawks_485x340.jpg&hash=ef5b03e100c3a332d89407027420d80f682f64db)
4. Kansas Jayhawks
Team Value: $24.0 million
Profit: $15.2 million
Head Coach: Bill Self
Conference: Big 12
Previous Value Rank: 5
Lawrence, Kan., Metro Population: 114,748
The Jayhawks have played in more NCAA tournament games over the last six years than rivals Kansas State, Oklahoma State and Missouri combined.
:kstategrad:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 05:36:54 PM
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 05:38:05 PM
**Waits for Bank of America to foreclose on Gridiron Club**
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 13, 2011, 05:39:12 PM
4th most valuable program in all of college basketball:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/16/most-valuable-college-basketball-teams-business-sports-college-basketball_slide_5.html (http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/16/most-valuable-college-basketball-teams-business-sports-college-basketball_slide_5.html)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.forbes.com%2Fmedia%2F2010%2F03%2F16%2F0316_kansas-jayhawks_485x340.jpg&hash=ef5b03e100c3a332d89407027420d80f682f64db)
4. Kansas Jayhawks
Team Value: $24.0 million
Profit: $15.2 million
Head Coach: Bill Self
Conference: Big 12
Previous Value Rank: 5
Lawrence, Kan., Metro Population: 114,748
The Jayhawks have played in more NCAA tournament games over the last six years than rivals Kansas State, Oklahoma State and Missouri combined.
:kstategrad:
"college basketball"
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
Post by: MeatSauce on September 13, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
2 years ago at the Big 12 Tourney. The game that got the highest TV ratings . . . not the Championship game with UT vs ku, but the K-State vs ku game.(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages5.cpcache.com%2Fproduct_zoom%2F492435365v0_480x480_Front_Color-Black_padToSquare-true.jpg&hash=4ad8e2d83945e0a393269d05e8dc7d22e4ba71e6)
The highest rated Saturday night ESPN basketball game in years . . . the ku vs K-State game a couple of years ago . . . and ku has been in similar many times, and didn't get anywhere close to those ratings.
At the NCAA tourney a couple of years ago after ku taken out by Iran, the TV ratings in KC "dropped" from a 38 to a still dominate 34 share for the K-State game and that's with thousands of tv sets getting kicked in by low self esteem bandwagon ku fans.
K-State has hosted ESPN Gameday for BOTH football and basketball, one of an elite group of schools (that excludes ku) to do so.
ku's athletic budget isn't even anywhere close to $86 million these days, they barely made $70 million dollars in total revenues last year and that's with $3.5 million in assistance from the school and student fees.
Of course ku athletics counts capital giving as revenue and puts their facilities that are technically state property on their books as assets (K-State does not).
Post by: Ira Hayes on September 13, 2011, 05:40:51 PM
The BCS conferences make their money from football. The Big East and the ACC are the only ones that care about basketball. And that's because they suck at football and don't make any money.
So why exactly would a BCS conference want KU? <-- Real question.
KU can't raise the money to build real suites in their stadium so they line up La-Z-Boys in the end zone because nobody cares about football. It's pathetic.
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
According to the NCAA financial report, in Academic Year 1010 ku needed every dime of that $3.5 million in direct instituional support and student fees, otherwise they would have finished over $2 million in the red.DING!!!!
Post by: pike on September 13, 2011, 05:41:21 PM
According to the NCAA financial report, in Academic Year 1010 ku needed every dime of that $3.5 million in direct instituional support and student fees, otherwise they would have finished over $2 million in the red.
KU is like a sleezy landlord or utility company trying to rape college kids. Sick, really.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 05:45:26 PM
Yeah, there's absolutely no difference between KU and K-State when it comes to realignment. Forget about the fact that KU has an elite basketball program, a top 20 national following, an AAU membership, and owns a majority of a relatively large TV market (Kansas City).
:lol:
Wait, is Beems contributing to posting phog.net realignment gems or is that really his?
Clearly someone still doesn't get it that basketball means nothing in terms of conference realignment. Neither does AAU, Nebraska lost theirs right after going to the big 10. Neither do walmart t-shirt sales figures. I won't even comment on Kansas City being a "relatively large TV market"
Are you just delusional or in all out denial mode? This whole realignment process is about TV revenue. It's not about football. If it were about football, Boise State would be in the Pac 12 right now instead of Colorado. KU has a large TV market with KC, has a national following, and as an added bonus KU's an AAU member. Those are all things that conferences like the Pac 12 are looking for. K-State has none of them.
Post by: Brock Landers on September 13, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
Newsburglar list from 2009.....Forbes article from March 2010. Got anything recent? Got anything from a site not called "Newsburglar"?? How in the eff did you even find that site? :lol:
Post by: Trim on September 13, 2011, 05:48:56 PM
Ben is raiding his stash of "Awesome Links about KU".
Newsburglar list from 2009.....Forbes article from March 2010. Got anything recent? Got anything from a site not called "Newsburglar"?? How in the eff did you even find that site? :lol:
If ksufans' insider had been called Newsburglar instead of Newshound, I think they'd have made it.
Post by: Ira Hayes on September 13, 2011, 05:50:53 PM
Why is that such a difficult concept for you Hawks to grasp?
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
According to the NCAA financial report, in Academic Year 1010 ku needed every dime of that $3.5 million in direct instituional support and student fees, otherwise they would have finished over $2 million in the red.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=7891704 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=7891704)
Net Profits by Athletic Department, 2009-2010
Texas: $29,603,034
Kansas: $11,687,378
Kansas State: $11,099,094
Oklahoma: $10,121,904
Oklahoma State: $5,402,887
Nebraska: $5,029,604
Texas Tech: $4,898,394
Texas A & M: $2,675,650
Missouri: $2,505,575
Colorado: $930,604
Iowa State: $215,540
Baylor: $0
Here are the top revenue generating programs from 2005-06 through 2009-2010:
Institution Name Grand Total Revenue Grand Total Expenses Profit
Texas $605,108,282 $500,783,830 $104,324,452
Ohio State $575,074,569 $516,982,310 $58,092,259
Florida $521,026,679 $475,216,193 $45,810,486
Michigan $475,418,749 $376,093,582 $99,325,167
Alabama $472,696,121 $374,990,279 $97,705,842
Tennessee $447,299,149 $435,339,648 $11,959,501
Penn State $441,004,474 $378,106,020 $62,898,454
Wisconsin $438,714,947 $413,421,089 $25,293,858
Louisiana State $435,601,796 $407,465,214 $28,136,582
Auburn $418,904,026 $376,841,279 $42,062,747
Notre Dame $417,065,007 $313,623,490 $103,441,517
Georgia $408,680,608 $343,635,239 $65,045,369
Iowa $396,206,849 $344,731,540 $51,475,309
Oklahoma $391,200,150 $380,479,633 $10,720,517
USC $374,128,429 $374,128,429 $0
Michigan State $373,348,695 $321,539,458 $51,809,237
Virginia $371,891,285 $357,475,801 $14,415,484
Texas A&M $359,862,009 $342,419,076 $17,442,933
Stanford $359,261,704 $356,038,374 $3,223,330
Nebraska $359,089,969 $332,714,925 $26,375,044
Kansas $356,685,528 $297,351,141 $59,334,387
Kentucky $340,638,906 $327,047,572 $13,591,334
South Carolina $336,434,820 $328,674,789 $7,760,031
Minnesota $329,448,928 $322,970,257 $6,478,671
Oklahoma State $326,238,178 $273,959,017 $52,279,161
California $319,553,483 $319,502,736 $50,747
Arkansas $317,472,840 $304,516,585 $12,956,255
North Carolina $311,318,829 $310,322,260 $996,569
UCLA $307,518,115 $307,501,197 $16,918
Duke $305,442,709 $304,180,138 $1,262,571
Boston College $300,446,948 $295,093,893 $5,353,055
Washington $297,429,491 $279,371,129 $18,058,362
Purdue $289,997,727 $277,327,048 $12,670,679
Oregon $287,925,483 $276,292,935 $11,632,548
Virginia Tech $281,014,390 $252,140,462 $28,873,928
Clemson $278,773,748 $265,776,203 $12,997,545
Florida State $278,057,903 $271,387,906 $6,669,997
Louisville $276,626,938 $263,116,665 $13,510,273
Connecticut $274,438,065 $274,159,199 $278,866
Illinois $272,272,142 $244,345,811 $27,926,331
West Virginia $268,839,229 $240,910,022 $27,929,207
Indiana $268,489,651 $247,066,702 $21,422,949
Arizona State $265,675,468 $263,293,925 $2,381,543
Missouri $256,386,080 $251,401,330 $4,984,750
Miami (FL) $255,735,910 $242,972,602 $12,763,308
Rutgers $245,105,184 $244,719,877 $385,307
Texas Tech $244,451,812 $228,964,729 $15,487,083
Colorado $241,239,561 $230,601,450 $10,638,111
Arizona $240,762,291 $230,260,937 $10,501,354
Kansas State $239,718,709 $202,264,641 $37,454,068
Syracuse $237,755,312 $231,115,007 $6,640,305
Georgia Tech $236,123,569 $234,657,630 $1,465,939
Oregon State $232,407,604 $229,464,206 $2,943,398
Baylor $223,543,720 $223,543,720 $0
North Carolina State $223,022,563 $218,020,914 $5,001,649
Vanderbilt $220,415,601 $214,755,898 $5,659,703
TCU $218,609,628 $218,609,628 $0
Northwestern $218,374,098 $218,374,098 $0
Pittsburgh $205,426,419 $205,426,419 $0
Iowa State $200,744,619 $200,483,939 $260,680
Wake Forest $198,222,588 $195,112,422 $3,110,166
Mississippi $182,994,902 $182,994,902 $0
Washington State $178,899,390 $167,359,496 $11,539,894
BYU $176,271,821 $165,932,047 $10,339,774
UNLV $176,004,389 $174,248,158 $1,756,231
Cincinnati $169,056,019 $169,056,019 $0
Central Florida $168,895,820 $149,374,346 $19,521,474
South Florida $165,778,650 $158,959,092 $6,819,558
SMU $164,819,233 $164,819,233 $0
San Diego State $160,482,385 $158,512,757 $1,969,628
Memphis $160,343,086 $160,343,086 $0
Mississippi State $156,784,564 $154,797,211 $1,987,353
Houston $146,184,825 $146,184,825 $0
Hawaii $144,883,108 $140,475,050 $4,408,058
New Mexico $142,260,446 $142,260,446 $0
Utah $141,632,138 $140,555,716 $1,076,422
Rice $139,262,236 $139,262,225 $11
East Carolina $137,431,677 $131,846,315 $5,585,362
Temple $134,796,733 $134,796,733 $0
Fresno State $131,963,307 $126,742,047 $5,221,260
Tulsa $121,666,475 $121,666,475 $0
Wyoming $117,552,012 $117,552,012 $0
Miami (OH) $116,694,393 $116,302,849 $391,544
UTEP $110,917,044 $110,478,057 $438,987
UAB $109,558,625 $107,644,360 $1,914,265
Boise State $109,026,773 $108,213,191 $813,582
Central Michigan $106,675,697 $106,172,625 $503,072
New Mexico State $106,615,411 $106,021,740 $593,671
Colorado State $104,878,858 $101,913,551 $2,965,307
Nevada $103,880,156 $103,258,379 $621,777
Buffalo $103,468,402 $103,393,256 $75,146
Marshall $103,342,431 $103,028,965 $313,466
Ohio $101,622,884 $100,292,169 $1,330,715
Tulane $98,896,105 $98,896,105 $0
Western Michigan $98,867,968 $97,908,010 $959,958
Western Kentucky $97,493,804 $97,493,804 $0
Florida International $97,437,507 $94,837,277 $2,600,230
Eastern Michigan $97,352,052 $96,207,540 $1,144,512
Akron $92,964,535 $92,076,375 $888,160
Bowling Green $92,589,069 $83,727,362 $8,861,707
Toledo $91,120,410 $91,120,410 $0
San Jose State $90,973,290 $88,601,270 $2,372,020
Kent State $89,627,091 $88,258,535 $1,368,556
Northern Illinois $89,406,214 $86,390,693 $3,015,521
Southern Miss $88,112,557 $86,055,428 $2,057,129
Middle Tennessee State $86,174,212 $86,174,212 $0
Ball State $85,663,374 $85,655,065 $8,309
North Texas $80,917,213 $78,780,725 $2,136,488
Utah State $73,544,824 $72,363,321 $1,181,503
Florida Atlantic $72,676,329 $70,083,968 $2,592,361
Troy $67,845,069 $67,845,069 $0
Idaho $66,638,186 $65,901,165 $737,021
Louisiana Tech $63,420,129 $63,285,520 $134,609
Louisiana-Lafayette $53,756,169 $53,211,381 $544,788
Arkansas State $52,805,477 $52,805,477 $0
Louisiana-Monroe $40,303,634 $38,431,807 $1,871,827
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 05:58:49 PM
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Football Revenue and Expenses
School '09-10 revenue '09-10 Expenses '09-10 Profit
Texas $93,942,815.00 $25,112,331 $68,830,484
Oklahoma $58,295,888.00 $20,150,769 $38,145,119
Nebraska $49,928,228.00 $17,843,849 $32,084,379
Texas A&M $41,915,428.00 $16,599,798 $25,315,630
Oklahoma State $32,787,498.00 $15,479,410 $17,308,088
Colorado $26,233,929.00 $12,558,503 $13,675,426
Texas Tech $26,201,009.00 $14,688,382 $11,512,627
Missouri $25,378,066.00 $13,759,649 $11,618,417
Iowa State $19,974,924.00 $13,368,441 $6,606,483
Kansas $17,885,176.00 $16,270,250 $1,614,926
Kansas State $17,570,624.00 $11,157,789 $6,412,835
Baylor $14,355,322.00 $12,462,241 $1,893,081
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
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What I can show you is what each school is showing as revenue for broadcasting rights (television, radio and internet) through their responses to open records requests. This is separate from the money they receive from conference distributions, so it shouldn’t include any broadcasting money received from conference-wide media rights contracts.
The chart below is every school for which I have a value and represents the 2009-2010 school year. Those not listed either showed $0 or did not have to respond to open records requests (either because they’re private or protected by state laws).
1 University of North Carolina $11,171,458.00
2 University of Alabama $8,444,674.00
3 University of Kentucky $7,743,327.00
4 University of Florida $7,450,000.00
5 University of Kansas $7,276,988.00
6 Louisiana State University $7,012,730.00
7 Oklahoma State University $6,395,000.00
8 University of Tennessee $6,293,621.00
9 Oregon State University $6,267,671.00
10 University of Georgia $6,231,392.00
Big 12
University of Kansas $7,276,988.00
Oklahoma State University $6,395,000.00
University of Nebraska $4,393,529.00
University of Missouri $4,081,549.00
Kansas State University $3,263,941.00
Iowa State University $2,608,896.00
University of Texas $338,171.00
University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
University of Colorado $155,528.00
Texas Tech University
$0.00
Texas A&M University $0.00
Baylor N/A
:kstategrad:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 06:04:11 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 13, 2011, 06:06:52 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 06:07:48 PM
And a Gridiron Club.
And a black head coach who can recruit.
Post by: 0.42 on September 13, 2011, 06:11:50 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 13, 2011, 06:13:34 PM
And a black head coach who can recruit.JFC it's 2011 get past color :opcat:
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 06:13:38 PM
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/06/school-specific-broadcasting-revenue/ (http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/06/school-specific-broadcasting-revenue/)QuoteWhat I can show you is what each school is showing as revenue for broadcasting rights (television, radio and internet) through their responses to open records requests. This is separate from the money they receive from conference distributions, so it shouldn’t include any broadcasting money received from conference-wide media rights contracts.
The chart below is every school for which I have a value and represents the 2009-2010 school year. Those not listed either showed $0 or did not have to respond to open records requests (either because they’re private or protected by state laws).
1 University of North Carolina $11,171,458.00
2 University of Alabama $8,444,674.00
3 University of Kentucky $7,743,327.00
4 University of Florida $7,450,000.00
5 University of Kansas $7,276,988.00
6 Louisiana State University $7,012,730.00
7 Oklahoma State University $6,395,000.00
8 University of Tennessee $6,293,621.00
9 Oregon State University $6,267,671.00
10 University of Georgia $6,231,392.00
Big 12
University of Kansas $7,276,988.00
Oklahoma State University $6,395,000.00
University of Nebraska $4,393,529.00
University of Missouri $4,081,549.00
Kansas State University $3,263,941.00
Iowa State University $2,608,896.00
University of Texas $338,171.00
University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
University of Colorado $155,528.00
Texas Tech University
$0.00
Texas A&M University $0.00
Baylor N/A
:kstategrad:
something is horribly wrong with those numbers
University of Texas $338,171.00
Florida State University $349,869.00
University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
all of these school make more than KU in reality
Post by: wiley on September 13, 2011, 06:13:45 PM
The move making sport that everyone cares aboutQuoteFootball Revenue and Expenses
School '09-10 revenue '09-10 Expenses '09-10 Profit
Texas $93,942,815.00 $25,112,331 $68,830,484
Oklahoma $58,295,888.00 $20,150,769 $38,145,119
Nebraska $49,928,228.00 $17,843,849 $32,084,379
Texas A&M $41,915,428.00 $16,599,798 $25,315,630
Oklahoma State $32,787,498.00 $15,479,410 $17,308,088
Colorado $26,233,929.00 $12,558,503 $13,675,426
Texas Tech $26,201,009.00 $14,688,382 $11,512,627
Missouri $25,378,066.00 $13,759,649 $11,618,417
Iowa State $19,974,924.00 $13,368,441 $6,606,483
Kansas $17,885,176.00 $16,270,250 $1,614,926
Kansas State $17,570,624.00 $11,157,789 $6,412,835
Baylor $14,355,322.00 $12,462,241 $1,893,081
These numbers irritate the hell out of me
Post by: Tobias on September 13, 2011, 06:16:33 PM
something is horribly wrong with those numbers
University of Texas $338,171.00
Florida State University $349,869.00
University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
all of these school make more than KU in reality
ku is 21.5x the school texas is. what's so hard to understand? :confused:
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 06:21:06 PM
something is horribly wrong with those numbers
University of Texas $338,171.00
Florida State University $349,869.00
University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
all of these school make more than KU in reality
ku is 21.5x the school texas is. what's so hard to understand? :confused:
KU behind the scenes string pullers!!!!!! :comeatme: :kstategrad: :comeatme: :kstategrad:
Post by: babytears on September 13, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on September 13, 2011, 06:33:49 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 13, 2011, 06:35:53 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Fat Tony's was all EMAW until we left and they went UFC.
Post by: babytears on September 13, 2011, 06:37:04 PM
Amazing that out of all the teams other conferences are poaching from the Big 12, none are ku. I guess they just don't care about your " :kstategrad:"
Would you date a super hot girl, even though she was bringing along a scorching case of aidsherpes? No.
Post by: babytears on September 13, 2011, 06:38:17 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Fat Tony's was all EMAW until we left and they went UFC.
Does not count. ATEMAW. AT=All Time. EMAW at all times of its life.
Post by: Gooch on September 13, 2011, 06:40:15 PM
We broke up with them.Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Fat Tony's was all EMAW until we left and they went UFC.
Does not count. ATEMAW. AT=All Time. EMAW at all times of its life.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 13, 2011, 06:46:06 PM
Amazing that out of all the teams other conferences are poaching from the Big 12, none are ku. I guess they just don't care about your " :kstategrad:"
KU has been loyal to the Big 12 throughout this entire process, but you better believe they're currently having discussions with the ACC, Big East, and Pac 12 in case the conference collapses. If Texas doesn't end up in the Pac 12, there's a very good chance KU goes there with Oklahoma (and a couple of other schools).
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 13, 2011, 06:49:02 PM
Amazing that out of all the teams other conferences are poaching from the Big 12, none are ku. I guess they just don't care about your " :kstategrad:"
KU has been loyal to the Big 12 throughout this entire process, but you better believe they're currently having discussions with the ACC, Big East, and Pac 12 in case the conference collapses.
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!
Post by: kim carnes on September 13, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
Amazing that out of all the teams other conferences are poaching from the Big 12, none are ku. I guess they just don't care about your " :kstategrad:"
KU has been loyal to the Big 12 throughout this entire process, but you better believe they're currently having discussions with the ACC, Big East, and Pac 12 in case the conference collapses. If Texas doesn't end up in the Pac 12, there's a very good chance KU goes there with Oklahoma (and a couple of other schools).
Source?
Post by: FP TC etc. on September 13, 2011, 07:04:30 PM
Post by: jtksu on September 13, 2011, 07:18:05 PM
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 13, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 07:59:56 PM
Academic Year 2009-2010
KU:
Operating Revenue: $70.548 million
Less Student Fees: ($1.94 million)
Less Institutional Support: ($1.64 million)
Total Operating Revenue less Student Fees and Institutional Support: $66.96 million
Expenses: $69.241 million
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 08:01:27 PM
USA Today College Financial Database (FOIA request to the NCAA).
Academic Year 2009-2010
KU:
Operating Revenue: $70.548 million
Less Student Fees: ($1.94 million)
Less Institutional Support: ($1.64 million)
Total Operating Revenue less Student Fees and Institutional Support: $66.96 million
Expenses: $69.241 million
Turfburner.com tends to disagree with you Dax. Try and step up with some more responsible sources. :kstategrad: (but KU grad, probably flips silver coin)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 13, 2011, 08:18:18 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 13, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 08:46:08 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 13, 2011, 08:48:42 PM
All I know.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 13, 2011, 09:13:12 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 13, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
Post by: jtksu on September 13, 2011, 09:17:21 PM
Post by: ednksu on September 13, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
All I know is someone is going to have some egg on the face when this is all said and done.
All I know.
I don't for one second believe they don't have some options because of their basketball program. It would be silly to think otherwise. What is just Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is to believe that K-State is wholly without options that aren't tied to KU. Now they need to realize that they are not as nice a commodity as they think they are. If they were they would have been asked to another dance instead of waiting to see who fills up their dance card.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 13, 2011, 09:28:17 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
man oh man. try leaving the state sometime babytears. there's a whole big world out there. :lol:
Post by: HeinBallz on September 13, 2011, 09:37:15 PM
ku fandom is in high efficiency mode: all the ku alum I know are telling me, smugly, that "we have options". It will be interesting to see if that's true, and if it's not, what the rationale would be.
Holy crap. You actually KNOW ku alum? All I know is t-shirt fans.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2011, 09:41:15 PM
No . . . they are NOT gathered by the 1000's on their message boards reaffirming and affirming each other that everything is going to be alright.
Kentucky fans . . . NO
UCLA fans. . . NO
Indiana fans. . . NO
UConn fans. . . NO
Arizona fans. . . NO
Florida fans . . . NO
North Carolina fans . . . NO
Duke fans . . . NO
Texas fans . . . NO
ku fans . . . YES
Ohio State fans . . . NO
Louisville fans . . . NO
Pitt fans . . . NO
WVU fans . . . NO
Post by: babytears on September 13, 2011, 10:20:46 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
man oh man. try leaving the state sometime babytears. there's a whole big world out there. :lol:
I just don't believe you, powerfriends. I hate to do it, but I'm calling bull on this one. I really hate to do it.
I've been places. Done things. Why, just this last weekend I let these girls put an adderall patch on my dick. Vision quest.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 13, 2011, 10:22:57 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
man oh man. try leaving the state sometime babytears. there's a whole big world out there. :lol:
I just don't believe you, powerfriends. I hate to do it, but I'm calling bull on this one. I really hate to do it.
I've been places. Done things. Why, just this last weekend I let these girls put an adderall patch on my dick. Vision quest.
Why are you so good at this while Beams is so bad?
Post by: CHONGS on September 13, 2011, 10:48:48 PM
Adderall? Grow the eff up boy. :lol:Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
man oh man. try leaving the state sometime babytears. there's a whole big world out there. :lol:
I just don't believe you, powerfriends. I hate to do it, but I'm calling bull on this one. I really hate to do it.
I've been places. Done things. Why, just this last weekend I let these girls put an adderall patch on my dick. Vision quest.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 13, 2011, 10:50:05 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
man oh man. try leaving the state sometime babytears. there's a whole big world out there. :lol:
I just don't believe you, powerfriends. I hate to do it, but I'm calling bull on this one. I really hate to do it.
I've been places. Done things. Why, just this last weekend I let these girls put an adderall patch on my dick. Vision quest.
I've been to 2 in Houston and 1 in Amarillo. Granted, the 2 in Houston were right before the Texas Bowl.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 13, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
According to the NCAA financial report, in Academic Year 1010 ku needed every dime of that $3.5 million in direct instituional support and student fees, otherwise they would have finished over $2 million in the red.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=7891704 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=7891704)
Net Profits by Athletic Department, 2009-2010
Texas: $29,603,034
Kansas: $11,687,378
Kansas State: $11,099,094
Oklahoma: $10,121,904
Oklahoma State: $5,402,887
Nebraska: $5,029,604
Texas Tech: $4,898,394
Texas A & M: $2,675,650
Missouri: $2,505,575
Colorado: $930,604
Iowa State: $215,540
Baylor: $0
So there's only a 5% difference between KU and K-State (2 years ago)?
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 13, 2011, 11:50:15 PM
Have any of you guys ever been to a KSU-Powercat-themed bar/restaurant that was located in a city other than Manhattan?Yes of course I have.
Also have.
man oh man. try leaving the state sometime babytears. there's a whole big world out there. :lol:
I just don't believe you, powerfriends. I hate to do it, but I'm calling bull on this one. I really hate to do it.
I've been places. Done things. Why, just this last weekend I let these girls put an adderall patch on my dick. Vision quest.
As someone who has taken it for years, LOL at what happened next.
Post by: MichiganisGood on September 14, 2011, 03:39:59 AM
I don't think you guys are factoring in their recent Orange Bowl success, and the fact they have big 10 alumnus/ legend Turner Gill behind the wheel steering their program towards glory.. Jim Delaney respects their vision, and would like nothing more than for KU to realize that glory as a member of the big 10 conference..
We get a recent BCS bowl winner and a program that's on the rise, plus an established BBall power.. A dream come true, I'm already excited just thinking about watching Classic games with Reesing and Sharp on the BTN !!!
Don't worry though, if Kansas insists we would probably take you guys too..
Post by: Andy on September 14, 2011, 05:01:52 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 07:22:01 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 14, 2011, 10:29:21 AM
Quote
Go ACC with Texas, keep Texas football recruiting open, have great rivalries with ACC basketball teams, let Bill Self go nuts recruiting to the ACC, allow for easier travel for all sports, give our viewing fans a break, and leave K-State in the dust.
But only after we are damned sure the Big 10 won't take us. :-)
And if you want the Big East, be prepared to go through all of this again in the next 2-3 years with K-State tugging at our coattails.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 14, 2011, 10:41:45 AM
Jayhox chimes in:QuoteGo ACC with Texas, keep Texas football recruiting open, have great rivalries with ACC basketball teams, let Bill Self go nuts recruiting to the ACC, allow for easier travel for all sports, give our viewing fans a break, and leave K-State in the dust.
But only after we are damned sure the Big 10 won't take us. :-)
And if you want the Big East, be prepared to go through all of this again in the next 2-3 years with K-State tugging at our coattails.
13-1 is just KILLING those dicksucking asstomouther's to the east
Post by: OregonSmock on September 14, 2011, 10:46:11 AM
Post by: Gooch on September 14, 2011, 10:50:17 AM
K-State... the dingleberry hanging from KU's nut sack.
How do you get crap on your balls? You must be a very messy wiper. Try some (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi777.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy58%2Fjervine1%2Fanibacterial_package.gif&hash=40b49a741d00ec442d0af5af07b4ba1227494353)
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 14, 2011, 10:50:41 AM
It's one of the best roller coaster rides in college sports messaging boarding . . . the scenarios, the angst, the validation, the affirmation, the confirming . . . it never ends and it just gets better and better the longer this goes on.
It's comparable to Nubb leaving because they were so butthurt about texas. The squawks will never be able to beat big brother in anything so the only solution is to try and get as far away as possible from us :kstategrad:
Post by: Brock Landers on September 14, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
K-State... the dingleberry hanging from KU's nut sack.
How do you get crap on your balls? You must be a very messy wiper. Try some (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi777.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy58%2Fjervine1%2Fanibacterial_package.gif&hash=40b49a741d00ec442d0af5af07b4ba1227494353)
He must not be a front to back wiper. Probably doesn't wash his hands afterwards either.
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 14, 2011, 11:02:05 AM
K-State... the dingleberry hanging from KU's nut sack.
How do you get crap on your balls? You must be a very messy wiper. Try some (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi777.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy58%2Fjervine1%2Fanibacterial_package.gif&hash=40b49a741d00ec442d0af5af07b4ba1227494353)
He must not be a front to back wiper. Probably doesn't wash his hands afterwards either.
Probably then licks finger to turn book page.
Post by: Belvis Noland on September 14, 2011, 11:05:07 AM
K-State... the dingleberry hanging from KU's nut sack.
I thought Grey-Little dispelled this myth. no?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 11:08:11 AM
That said, we're a gold mine for ku. We fill up their football stadium at $85 dollars a pop, we give them record crowds for women's b-ball games, and volleyball games. K-State is absolutely the economic tide that raises all boats for ku and Lawrence.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 14, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
Post by: Gooch on September 14, 2011, 11:17:58 AM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 14, 2011, 11:18:59 AM
Acc Par or bust for UK huh?
Pretty sure Kentucky's staying in the SEC.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 11:21:11 AM
This is why ku would never dream of moving the K-State football game off campus, all time record crowds and a financial windfall for ku athletics.
Nope, the thing that's driving all the low self esteem ku fans crazy, and making themselves tell each other again and again that they have "options" is the fact that no other conference has confirmed that ku even has those options.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 14, 2011, 11:30:23 AM
Not even close Beems, over the last 15 years or so, K-State fans have purchased thousands upon thousands of premium priced tickets for the football game in Lawrence (Hell ku was charging $50 and $60 bucks for that game even back in the 90's) and then bought thousands upon thousands more tickets for women's basketball and volleyball games in Lawerence.
This is why ku would never dream of moving the K-State football game off campus, all time record crowds and a financial windfall for ku athletics.
Nope, the thing that's driving all the low self esteem ku fans crazy, and making themselves tell each other again and again that they have "options" is the fact that no other conference has confirmed that ku even has those options.
No other conference has confirmed that anyone has options outside of Texas A&M to the SEC. Next.
Post by: 0.42 on September 14, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 11:35:37 AM
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 14, 2011, 11:37:42 AM
The amazing thing is the absolute paranoia about K-State, everyone knows that the schools will be allowed to go their seperate ways, what brings out this gold mine of butthurt is the fact that not one conference has truly indicated that they covet ku . . . not one, and it drives your average extremely low self esteem ku fan nuts.The ku faithful are preparing their fallback position for when they don't get invited to a big boy conference: "We were golden for the big 10 (Pac, ACC) but we were forced to bring along K-State." This myth will become their reality, and part of their history. There can be no other reason.
That said, we're a gold mine for ku. We fill up their football stadium at $85 dollars a pop, we give them record crowds for women's b-ball games, and volleyball games. K-State is absolutely the economic tide that raises all boats for ku and Lawrence.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 14, 2011, 11:43:35 AM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:
Post by: jmlynch1 on September 14, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
The amazing thing is the absolute paranoia about K-State, everyone knows that the schools will be allowed to go their seperate ways, what brings out this gold mine of butthurt is the fact that not one conference has truly indicated that they covet ku . . . not one, and it drives your average extremely low self esteem ku fan nuts.
That said, we're a gold mine for ku. We fill up their football stadium at $85 dollars a pop, we give them record crowds for women's b-ball games, and volleyball games. K-State is absolutely the economic tide that raises all boats for ku and Lawrence.
KU is much more of a goldmine for K-State, 'Pad. When you factor in all of the DVD sales, the t-shirt sales, the commemorative Super Bowl net auctions, etc, etc, it's not even close. Let's just hope for the sake of Team State Conference that K-State is able to dingleberry its way to the ACC or Pac 12 along with KU.You two were made for eachother. Its beautiful. :users:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 11:47:47 AM
K-State: Stuffing millions into ku's pocket via ticket sales for nearly 2 decades. K-State: A sure sell out for ku.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 14, 2011, 11:50:58 AM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:
Except for ISU. LOL burn
Post by: AbeFroman on September 14, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
The amazing thing is the absolute paranoia about K-State, everyone knows that the schools will be allowed to go their seperate ways, what brings out this gold mine of butthurt is the fact that not one conference has truly indicated that they covet ku . . . not one, and it drives your average extremely low self esteem ku fan nuts.
This. The kutards are still playing the "We are joined with KSU waaaaaaa" card even after their own chancellor said it wasn't true. How come? Because no conference WANTS ku. So really they are making excuses for things that haven't happened yet (if at all) so that when the day comes they can say "see!!! that's the reason we ended up in the Big East with KSU waaaaaaaaa"
Post by: 0.42 on September 14, 2011, 11:54:52 AM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:
beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 14, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Well, since I'm banned on phog.net, jayhawk slant, tigerboard, kstatefans, and gopowertard, this is pretty much my home now. Also, I don't think K-State ends up in the Mountain West. Big East or a newly formed Big 12 is much more likely, imo.
Post by: 0.42 on September 14, 2011, 12:06:43 PM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Well, since I'm banned on phog.net, jayhawk slant, tigerboard, kstatefans, and gopowertard, this is pretty much my home now. Also, I don't think K-State ends up in the Mountain West. Big East or a newly formed Big 12 is much more likely, imo.
:weirdrobert:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 12:07:49 PM
:emawkid:
Post by: AbeFroman on September 14, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Well, since I'm banned on phog.net, jayhawk slant, tigerboard, kstatefans, and gopowertard, this is pretty much my home now. Also, I don't think K-State ends up in the Mountain West. Big East or a newly formed Big 12 is much more likely, imo.
VALIDATION :blush:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 14, 2011, 12:13:17 PM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Well, since I'm banned on phog.net, jayhawk slant, tigerboard, kstatefans, and gopowertard, this is pretty much my home now. Also, I don't think K-State ends up in the Mountain West. Big East or a newly formed Big 12 is much more likely, imo.
why did phog ban you?
Post by: jtksu on September 14, 2011, 12:16:24 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 14, 2011, 12:24:22 PM
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2011/0913/Super-Earth-Newly-discovered-planet-could-potentially-support-life
Post by: Cire on September 14, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Well, since I'm banned on phog.net, jayhawk slant, tigerboard, kstatefans, and gopowertard, this is pretty much my home now. Also, I don't think K-State ends up in the Mountain West. Big East or a newly formed Big 12 is much more likely, imo.
why did phog ban you?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 14, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
Welcome home beems.
:emawkid:
Yes. HAve a beer and stay awhile. crap is just getting interesting.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on September 14, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
Post by: mcmwcat on September 14, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
Post by: cummin_CAT on September 14, 2011, 02:15:58 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 14, 2011, 02:16:59 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 14, 2011, 02:17:39 PM
You better run and calm the waters on the phog then Beems, because they're about to come unglued.
K-State: A perpetual financial windfall for ku athletics.
I'm pretty sure every message board associated with the Big 12 is talking about conference realignment right now, including this place.
:ck:beems, will you still hang out here if we go to the mountain west :cry:
:shakesfist:
Well, since I'm banned on phog.net, jayhawk slant, tigerboard, kstatefans, and gopowertard, this is pretty much my home now. Also, I don't think K-State ends up in the Mountain West. Big East or a newly formed Big 12 is much more likely, imo.
why did phog ban you?
Post by: cummin_CAT on September 14, 2011, 02:18:31 PM
I know a lot of people think Lawrence is more of a Pac town than an east coast town and I agree:lol: yes should be in SanFran, they'd feel right at home there.
Post by: SleepFighter on September 14, 2011, 02:51:43 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2011, 03:04:50 PM
It is a great place to find a fantastic selection of farm implements of various makes and models, a great place to load up on feed for the cows and horses and various other farm animals, and a great place to find a good selection of pick-up trucks and gun racks. Oh and if you need the latest in corn hybrids multiple places in Lawerence can you hook you up with that as well. Oh yeah, they have a few bars and couple of decent places that occassionally have good music.
Post by: MichiganisGood on September 14, 2011, 03:38:53 PM
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 14, 2011, 03:42:43 PM
Has KU announced for the big 10 yet !?!?!? Can't wait !!! :kstategrad:
I imagine it's pretty hectic around there with all the conferences they have showering them with money and begging them to join
Post by: Brock Landers on September 14, 2011, 03:45:01 PM
Has KU announced for the big 10 yet !?!?!? Can't wait !!! :kstategrad:
I imagine it's pretty hectic around there with all the conferences they have showering them with money and begging them to join
No kidding, KU is actually the reason all the realignment talk has slowed the last couple of days. They have so many options to weigh.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 14, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Everyone in Lawrence and it's immediate area KNOW that Pac-10 and ACC are having a death-match over the privilege of adding ku to their stable of elite programs.Has KU announced for the big 10 yet !?!?!? Can't wait !!! :kstategrad:
I imagine it's pretty hectic around there with all the conferences they have showering them with money and begging them to join
Post by: MichiganisGood on September 14, 2011, 04:27:57 PM
Well, assuming KU doesn't choose some other conference to dominate instead..
Post by: 0.42 on September 14, 2011, 05:05:36 PM
Yeah, it's pretty crazy around here.. Nebraska fans are freaking out, one of the main reasons they fled the B12 was to get away from future coaching legend Turner Gill before he got the KU program running like they know he will.. They feared KU would conquer the north and start a dynasty, now as luck would have it, they are probably joining the big 10 anyway..
Well, assuming KU doesn't choose some other conference to dominate instead..
you used to have such a good rep here too.
Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2011, 12:03:43 PM
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Missouri is going to end up in a major conference, and as long and heated as our rivalry is, why would we want to give that up? Hating Missouri is one of life's simple pleasures. On the other hand, Kansas has been a one-D1 school state with two D1 schools for far too long - it's time to lop off that extra limb and take control of our state. Let K-State fall to the Mountain West and become the singular, flagship school for Kansas. If KSU follows us, we continue to share recruits; if they don't, we don't. How could you want KSU to join us anywhere?
Post by: MichiganisGood on September 15, 2011, 12:54:41 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
lol I don't understand the 'there is only room for one BCS school in this town' argument.. It makes no sense, if KSU went to the Mountain West how do KU fans think that will suddenly make their football program better ??? Really, the whole thing makes no sense at all..
It's their excuse for not being good at football.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on September 15, 2011, 12:57:37 PM
lol I don't understand the 'there is only room for one BCS school in this town' argument.. It makes no sense, if KSU went to the Mountain West how do KU fans think that will suddenly make their football program better ??? Really, the whole thing makes no sense at all..
It's their excuse for not being good at football, and going 1-13 last year against their instate rival.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2011, 02:37:52 PM
man they are so mean. i like you ku guys why don't you like us?
We 13-1'd them. I'd be jealous too.
Post by: Panjandrum on September 15, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
lol I don't understand the 'there is only room for one BCS school in this town' argument.. It makes no sense, if KSU went to the Mountain West how do KU fans think that will suddenly make their football program better ??? Really, the whole thing makes no sense at all..
It's their excuse for not being good at football.
Their excuse for us dominating them in all sports except for basketball is that we steal all of the good recruits.
Uhhhhh....
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 02:56:34 PM
ku fans either didn't pay any attention, or just don't want to remember, but there were actually fans at Texas schools asking why ku was even in the Big 12 back in the early 00's.
Post by: cummin_CAT on September 15, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
K-State is the only reason why ku even made an attempt to try and be good at football. Without K-State there is no Mark Mangino, there is no Orange Bowl in 2008. There's just Glen Mason trying like hell to get out of there, there is no Al Bohl, a guy with an emphasis on football being hired. There's Dr. Bob hanging on and appeasing basketball all day and night, they slap a new field in Memorial Track, Field and Football stadium every 10 years and call it a major facilities upgrade, while they give Bill Self a new gold platted toilet.Yes. 100% this.
ku fans either didn't pay any attention, or just don't want to remember, but there were actually fans at Texas schools asking why ku was even in the Big 12 back in the early 00's.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 15, 2011, 03:35:11 PM
K-State is the only reason why ku even made an attempt to try and be good at football. Without K-State there is no Mark Mangino, there is no Orange Bowl in 2008. There's just Glen Mason trying like hell to get out of there, there is no Al Bohl, a guy with an emphasis on football being hired. There's Dr. Bob hanging on and appeasing basketball all day and night, they slap a new field in Memorial Track, Field and Football stadium every 10 years and call it a major facilities upgrade, while they give Bill Self a new gold platted toilet.
ku fans either didn't pay any attention, or just don't want to remember, but there were actually fans at Texas schools asking why ku was even in the Big 12 back in the early 00's.
Terry Allen...clap clap...clap clap clap
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2011, 03:43:29 PM
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 15, 2011, 03:54:31 PM
its funny that not only do they want success for themselves but they equally want bad things for us.
yep. lots of butt hurt over there. also, massive inferiority complex believing they will only succeed if they are the only BCS school in the state....after all the are the mommy ship, i mean flag ship
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2011, 03:59:25 PM
you'll find us about half way down.
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USA TODAY's annual survey of tuition and fees at 75 public flagship universities in 50 states looks at figures for first-year, full-time freshmen and includes all mandatory and major-specific fees assessed for students in basic Arts and Sciences programs. Room and board, books and other costs are not included.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-08-30-tuition-survey_x.htm
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 15, 2011, 04:03:03 PM
K-State is a flagship university in Kansas.
you'll find us about half way down.QuoteUSA TODAY's annual survey of tuition and fees at 75 public flagship universities in 50 states looks at figures for first-year, full-time freshmen and includes all mandatory and major-specific fees assessed for students in basic Arts and Sciences programs. Room and board, books and other costs are not included.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-08-30-tuition-survey_x.htm
to the phog :bracketmouse:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 04:55:34 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 15, 2011, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 04:59:07 PM
Come on man.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 15, 2011, 05:00:48 PM
So let me get this straight... everyone on this board honestly believes that KU and K-State are equal in this whole realignment process? You don't think KU has any advantages over K-State, or that the ACC and Pac 12 wouldn't take KU without K-State? Interesting.I don't even know if K-State has enough pull to get some conference to let KU ride along with us. I really hope so, though. I like the rivalry with Kansas. Maybe we could pay you guys like $250k to come to manhattan for a game every other year when you guys are in the MWC.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 15, 2011, 05:09:22 PM
So let me get this straight... everyone on this board honestly believes that KU and K-State are equal in this whole realignment process? You don't think KU has any advantages over K-State, or that the ACC and Pac 12 wouldn't take KU without K-State? Interesting.
well BU, KU and ISU are the only schools left saying that they will not waive their rights to sue the SEC. KSU and MU aren't commenting. read whatever you want into that.
oh, and have a wonderful evening
Post by: mocat on September 15, 2011, 05:10:47 PM
Post by: wiley on September 15, 2011, 05:13:50 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 05:14:07 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Would I like for KU to remain in the same conference with K-State and Mizzou? Absolutely. Do I think the Pac 12 and ACC would have room for both KU and K-State? No, I don't, and if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo. K-State fans would feel the exact same way if the roles were reversed. Don't kid yourselves.
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2011, 05:16:45 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Would I like for KU to remain in the same conference with K-State and Mizzou? Absolutely. Do I think the Pac 12 and ACC would have room for both KU and K-State? No, I don't, and if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo. K-State fans would feel the exact same way if the roles were reversed. Don't kid yourselves.
Facts? Oh, my...
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 15, 2011, 05:18:13 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo.
I'd get away from a school that was 13 and 1'n me too
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 15, 2011, 05:20:11 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Would I like for KU to remain in the same conference with K-State and Mizzou? Absolutely. Do I think the Pac 12 and ACC would have room for both KU and K-State? No, I don't, and if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo. K-State fans would feel the exact same way if the roles were reversed. Don't kid yourselves.
Facts? Oh, my...
Ya, that's a pretty big leap there Ben.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 05:21:30 PM
Using the USNWR rankings as our guide, ku would keep Florida State company at the bottom of the ACC, and be able to snuggle up with academic titans Oregon State, Arizona and Arizona State in the Pac-12. Since some ku fans keep talking about the Big 10, ku would keep company with UN-L at the bottom there.
Outside of Notre Dame and Texas ku is right there with a whole slew of other schools in terms of bringing revenue to a conference, welcome to the club of many.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 05:21:56 PM
So let me get this straight... everyone on this board honestly believes that KU and K-State are equal in this whole realignment process? You don't think KU has any advantages over K-State, or that the ACC and Pac 12 wouldn't take KU without K-State? Interesting.
well BU, KU and ISU are the only schools left saying that they will not waive their rights to sue the SEC. KSU and MU aren't commenting. read whatever you want into that.
oh, and have a wonderful evening
What is there to read into it? KU wants the Big 12 to survive. They're not willing to let A&M destroy the conference and potentially cost us hundreds of millions of dollars without any penalties. It's a smart way to approach the situation, especially with so many unknowns regarding the future. No one in the Big 12 should waive their right to sue until A&M finds a replacement, or until the conference completely collapses. I'm sure in your little delusional mind, though, you've convinced yourself that KU is desperate and doesn't have any options outside of the Big 12.
Post by: babytears on September 15, 2011, 05:22:18 PM
Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 15, 2011, 05:24:21 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 05:25:59 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Would I like for KU to remain in the same conference with K-State and Mizzou? Absolutely. Do I think the Pac 12 and ACC would have room for both KU and K-State? No, I don't, and if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo. K-State fans would feel the exact same way if the roles were reversed. Don't kid yourselves.
Facts? Oh, my...
How can you even argue against any of that? KU was ranked 11th in the country in athletic revenue just a few years ago. We are right outside of the top 20 in total athletic revenue since 2005. KU has a huge TV contract with ESPN and owns a majority of the Kansas City television market. What other program in the dying Big 12 would add more additional revenue to another conference outside of Texas and Oklahoma?
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 15, 2011, 05:26:44 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Would I like for KU to remain in the same conference with K-State and Mizzou? Absolutely. Do I think the Pac 12 and ACC would have room for both KU and K-State? No, I don't, and if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo. K-State fans would feel the exact same way if the roles were reversed. Don't kid yourselves.
Facts? Oh, my...
How can you even argue against any of that? KU was ranked 11th in the country in athletic revenue just a few years ago. We are right outside of the top 20 in total athletic revenue since 2005. KU has a huge TV contract with ESPN and owns a majority of the Kansas City television market. What other program in the dying Big 12 would add more additional revenue to another conference outside of Texas and Oklahoma?
Ben, could post history of revenue for last 5 years plz?
Post by: Trim on September 15, 2011, 05:30:09 PM
owns a majority of the Kansas City television market.
:dubious:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Texas: $29,603,034
Kansas: $11,687,378
Kansas State: $11,099,094
Oklahoma: $10,121,904
Oklahoma State: $5,402,887
Nebraska: $5,029,604
Texas Tech: $4,898,394
Texas A & M: $2,675,650
Missouri: $2,505,575
Colorado: $930,604
Iowa State: $215,540
Baylor: $0
Here are the top revenue generating programs from 2005-06 through 2009-2010:
Institution Name Grand Total Revenue Grand Total Expenses Profit
Texas $605,108,282 $500,783,830 $104,324,452
Ohio State $575,074,569 $516,982,310 $58,092,259
Florida $521,026,679 $475,216,193 $45,810,486
Michigan $475,418,749 $376,093,582 $99,325,167
Alabama $472,696,121 $374,990,279 $97,705,842
Tennessee $447,299,149 $435,339,648 $11,959,501
Penn State $441,004,474 $378,106,020 $62,898,454
Wisconsin $438,714,947 $413,421,089 $25,293,858
Louisiana State $435,601,796 $407,465,214 $28,136,582
Auburn $418,904,026 $376,841,279 $42,062,747
Notre Dame $417,065,007 $313,623,490 $103,441,517
Georgia $408,680,608 $343,635,239 $65,045,369
Iowa $396,206,849 $344,731,540 $51,475,309
Oklahoma $391,200,150 $380,479,633 $10,720,517
USC $374,128,429 $374,128,429 $0
Michigan State $373,348,695 $321,539,458 $51,809,237
Virginia $371,891,285 $357,475,801 $14,415,484
Texas A&M $359,862,009 $342,419,076 $17,442,933
Stanford $359,261,704 $356,038,374 $3,223,330
Nebraska $359,089,969 $332,714,925 $26,375,044
Kansas $356,685,528 $297,351,141 $59,334,387
Kentucky $340,638,906 $327,047,572 $13,591,334
South Carolina $336,434,820 $328,674,789 $7,760,031
Minnesota $329,448,928 $322,970,257 $6,478,671
Oklahoma State $326,238,178 $273,959,017 $52,279,161
California $319,553,483 $319,502,736 $50,747
Arkansas $317,472,840 $304,516,585 $12,956,255
North Carolina $311,318,829 $310,322,260 $996,569
UCLA $307,518,115 $307,501,197 $16,918
Duke $305,442,709 $304,180,138 $1,262,571
Boston College $300,446,948 $295,093,893 $5,353,055
Washington $297,429,491 $279,371,129 $18,058,362
Purdue $289,997,727 $277,327,048 $12,670,679
Oregon $287,925,483 $276,292,935 $11,632,548
Virginia Tech $281,014,390 $252,140,462 $28,873,928
Clemson $278,773,748 $265,776,203 $12,997,545
Florida State $278,057,903 $271,387,906 $6,669,997
Louisville $276,626,938 $263,116,665 $13,510,273
Connecticut $274,438,065 $274,159,199 $278,866
Illinois $272,272,142 $244,345,811 $27,926,331
West Virginia $268,839,229 $240,910,022 $27,929,207
Indiana $268,489,651 $247,066,702 $21,422,949
Arizona State $265,675,468 $263,293,925 $2,381,543
Missouri $256,386,080 $251,401,330 $4,984,750
Miami (FL) $255,735,910 $242,972,602 $12,763,308
Rutgers $245,105,184 $244,719,877 $385,307
Texas Tech $244,451,812 $228,964,729 $15,487,083
Colorado $241,239,561 $230,601,450 $10,638,111
Arizona $240,762,291 $230,260,937 $10,501,354
Kansas State $239,718,709 $202,264,641 $37,454,068
Syracuse $237,755,312 $231,115,007 $6,640,305
Georgia Tech $236,123,569 $234,657,630 $1,465,939
Oregon State $232,407,604 $229,464,206 $2,943,398
Baylor $223,543,720 $223,543,720 $0
North Carolina State $223,022,563 $218,020,914 $5,001,649
Vanderbilt $220,415,601 $214,755,898 $5,659,703
TCU $218,609,628 $218,609,628 $0
Northwestern $218,374,098 $218,374,098 $0
Pittsburgh $205,426,419 $205,426,419 $0
Iowa State $200,744,619 $200,483,939 $260,680
Wake Forest $198,222,588 $195,112,422 $3,110,166
Mississippi $182,994,902 $182,994,902 $0
Washington State $178,899,390 $167,359,496 $11,539,894
BYU $176,271,821 $165,932,047 $10,339,774
UNLV $176,004,389 $174,248,158 $1,756,231
Cincinnati $169,056,019 $169,056,019 $0
Central Florida $168,895,820 $149,374,346 $19,521,474
South Florida $165,778,650 $158,959,092 $6,819,558
SMU $164,819,233 $164,819,233 $0
San Diego State $160,482,385 $158,512,757 $1,969,628
Memphis $160,343,086 $160,343,086 $0
Mississippi State $156,784,564 $154,797,211 $1,987,353
Houston $146,184,825 $146,184,825 $0
Hawaii $144,883,108 $140,475,050 $4,408,058
New Mexico $142,260,446 $142,260,446 $0
Utah $141,632,138 $140,555,716 $1,076,422
Rice $139,262,236 $139,262,225 $11
East Carolina $137,431,677 $131,846,315 $5,585,362
Temple $134,796,733 $134,796,733 $0
Fresno State $131,963,307 $126,742,047 $5,221,260
Tulsa $121,666,475 $121,666,475 $0
Wyoming $117,552,012 $117,552,012 $0
Miami (OH) $116,694,393 $116,302,849 $391,544
UTEP $110,917,044 $110,478,057 $438,987
UAB $109,558,625 $107,644,360 $1,914,265
Boise State $109,026,773 $108,213,191 $813,582
Central Michigan $106,675,697 $106,172,625 $503,072
New Mexico State $106,615,411 $106,021,740 $593,671
Colorado State $104,878,858 $101,913,551 $2,965,307
Nevada $103,880,156 $103,258,379 $621,777
Buffalo $103,468,402 $103,393,256 $75,146
Marshall $103,342,431 $103,028,965 $313,466
Ohio $101,622,884 $100,292,169 $1,330,715
Tulane $98,896,105 $98,896,105 $0
Western Michigan $98,867,968 $97,908,010 $959,958
Western Kentucky $97,493,804 $97,493,804 $0
Florida International $97,437,507 $94,837,277 $2,600,230
Eastern Michigan $97,352,052 $96,207,540 $1,144,512
Akron $92,964,535 $92,076,375 $888,160
Bowling Green $92,589,069 $83,727,362 $8,861,707
Toledo $91,120,410 $91,120,410 $0
San Jose State $90,973,290 $88,601,270 $2,372,020
Kent State $89,627,091 $88,258,535 $1,368,556
Northern Illinois $89,406,214 $86,390,693 $3,015,521
Southern Miss $88,112,557 $86,055,428 $2,057,129
Middle Tennessee State $86,174,212 $86,174,212 $0
Ball State $85,663,374 $85,655,065 $8,309
North Texas $80,917,213 $78,780,725 $2,136,488
Utah State $73,544,824 $72,363,321 $1,181,503
Florida Atlantic $72,676,329 $70,083,968 $2,592,361
Troy $67,845,069 $67,845,069 $0
Idaho $66,638,186 $65,901,165 $737,021
Louisiana Tech $63,420,129 $63,285,520 $134,609
Louisiana-Lafayette $53,756,169 $53,211,381 $544,788
Arkansas State $52,805,477 $52,805,477 $0
Louisiana-Monroe $40,303,634 $38,431,807 $1,871,827
Post by: pike on September 15, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
Ben's constant self-validation reminds of of Stuart Smalley. You just know Ben is sitting in front of a mirror right now. "KU is good enough, KU is smart enough, and doggone it, people like KU!"
/thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 05:32:13 PM
Owning a majority of the kc markets assumes that a huge section of sports fan just turn off the tv when K-State is on, and we all know that's Bull$hit.
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
So let me get this straight... everyone on this board honestly believes that KU and K-State are equal in this whole realignment process? You don't think KU has any advantages over K-State, or that the ACC and Pac 12 wouldn't take KU without K-State? Interesting.i'm not sure anyone said that but you.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 05:36:48 PM
If other schools reported capital giving on their books the same way ku does, than ku wouldn't have been 11th in the country in total revnues a few years ago.
You've said this 1000 times, but Ben manages to look past it. Would love to know how he does it.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 05:41:22 PM
Yet Baylor has built 10's of millions of dollars in new facilities in the last decade or so using private money, but all of that money is not counted as revenue for the athletic department.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
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The fact that the Big Ten has a list of 15 schools that it’s looking at is an indication that the conference is looking at numerous schools that are significantly outside of its conference geographic footprint. To me, this exercise looks a lot more like an evaluation of “Who do we add on top of Texas and/or Notre Dame if we’re willing to go to 14 schools?” From a realistic standpoint, schools from the SEC aren’t going to ever move while the 2 schools that the Big Ten would want from the Pac-10 (USC and UCLA) are no-brainers in the same category as Texas and Notre Dame where there’s no point in even examining them because they’re in if they want to join. Here is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
1. Syracuse – Does it really bring in the NYC market? Can it bring in the NYC market when it’s combined with Penn State? If yes, does Syracuse or Rutgers do this better?
2. Rutgers – See comment for Syracuse.
3. UCONN – Can it make inroads into both the NYC and Boston markets? It’s not an AAU member but its overall rankings are pretty solid, so is that good enough academically? Is the youth of the football program at the Division 1-A level a complete non-starter?
4. Pitt – Great for both academics and athletics, but can they really add much in terms of TV viewers with Penn State already delivering the Pittsburgh market, especially when there are other candidates that are similar but can bring in new markets?
5. Maryland – Is it more trustworthy in its ability to deliver the DC and Baltimore markets than the other East Coast candidates with respect to their own markets? What does a Maryland/Penn State combo do for the conference in terms of delivering the Mid-Atlantic region? Is there enough commitment to the football program in terms of long-term competitiveness?
6. Virginia – An unequivocal academic superstar, but are its athletic programs good enough to add more value? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland?
7. Virginia Tech – Rising in terms of academics but not an AAU member, so is that satisfactory? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland or UVA?
8. Boston College - Can it really deliver the Boston market? Is the fan base large enough to justify inclusion? Very strong undergrad program but isn’t an AAU member, so will it fit academically?
9. Miami – Can it deliver the Florida market by itself? It’s not an AAU member and doesn’t have great graduate programs, but it’s a top 50 undergrad school. Is that enough in terms of academics? Is the poor attendance and traveling fan base for the football program trumped by its extremely strong national TV drawing power?
10. Missouri - Has the ability to draw in the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but is that enough considering that there are options in more populous regions like the Northeast, Florida and Texas? Many assume that it’s an academic fit as an AAU member, but it’s actually lower in the US News rankings than Nebraska, so does it really meet the Big Ten’s academic requirements?
11. Nebraska – Is the national drawing power of its football program enough to compensate for its tiny home TV market? Lots of questions as to whether it would be an academic fit even though it’s an AAU member already. Does it meet the Big Ten’s academic standards?
12. Colorado – Long assumed to be a top Pac-10 target, but could it be a viable Big Ten candidate since it’s actually a better academic and cultural fit with the Big Ten than anyone in the Big XII besides Texas? Is the population growth trend in the Denver area more attractive than adding presently larger markets like the state of Missouri when looking at this decision 20 or 30 years down the road?
13. Oklahoma – Obvious national football power, but without AAU membership (unlike Missouri or Nebraska) or high academic rankings (unlike UConn), can it fit in academically?
14. Kansas – 99% of these decisions are about football, but Kansas isn’t any ordinary basketball school (where only Duke, UNC and Kentucky can compare nationally). Is the elite status of its basketball program enough to compensate for a historically weak football program that no longer has the services of Baby Mangino?
15. Texas A&M – Is the Big Ten truly fine with the thought of Texas A&M coming along with Texas in a package deal? Are the Aggies really a threat to go to the SEC if the Big Ten doesn’t invite them? What do they bring to the table that Texas doesn’t bring alone?
Please note that K-State is/was not a candidate for the Big 10.
http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-value-of-expansion-candidates-to-the-big-ten-network/ (http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-value-of-expansion-candidates-to-the-big-ten-network/)
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
Please note that K-State is/was not a candidate for Big 10 expansion.
Post by: 06wildcat on September 15, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 05:48:11 PM
Nice work.
Oh wait, Frank used "Patrick" a "veteran TV insider".
You know, if you've been in business for very long, you can find a number of "veteran insiders" to say just about anything you want them to say, or what you want to hear, about any industry you can think of. I bet we could go out and find a whole bunch of un-named "veteran insiders" to say K-State would be a kick ass addition to any conference.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
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Posted: February 21, 2010 by Frank the Tank in Big Ten, Sports
I would imagine it changed after we 13-1'd you.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
You know you're hitting the bottom of the barrel when you're using a guy who writes a blog in Chicago as your back up.
Nice work.
Oh wait, Frank used "Patrick" a "veteran TV insider".
You know, if you've been in business for very long, you can find a number of "veteran insiders" to say just about anything you want them to say, or what you want to hear, about any industry you can think of. I bet we could go out and find a whole bunch of un-named "veteran insiders" to say K-State would be a kick ass addition to any conference.
I know it hurts that KU is right on par with Notre Dame and Mizzou when it comes to adding additional conference revenue, but try not to be so damn butthurt about it, 'Pad. Worst case scenario for K-State is the Big East or a newly formed version of the Big 12. Keep your chin up.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 06:03:41 PM
:thumbs: You're actually using obscure blogs and who quote unnamed "experts" now. :thumbs:
Post by: chum1 on September 15, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
KU is right on par with Notre Dame ... when it comes to adding additional conference revenue
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 06:09:28 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 15, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 15, 2011, 06:37:43 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 15, 2011, 06:43:05 PM
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 15, 2011, 06:44:15 PM
*According to a semi-educated guess by someone who calls himself frank the tank and has a blog on a free hosting site.QuoteHere is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
Please note that K-State is/was not a candidate for the Big 10.*
Please note that K-State is/was not a candidate for Big 10 expansion.*
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2011, 06:47:21 PM
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 15, 2011, 06:47:43 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:
KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Would I like for KU to remain in the same conference with K-State and Mizzou? Absolutely. Do I think the Pac 12 and ACC would have room for both KU and K-State? No, I don't, and if it comes down to KU joining the ACC or Pac 12 instead of joining the Big East with K-State, I'd prefer to go solo. K-State fans would feel the exact same way if the roles were reversed. Don't kid yourselves.
Facts? Oh, my...
How can you even argue against any of that? KU was ranked 11th in the country in athletic revenue just a few years ago. We are right outside of the top 20 in total athletic revenue since 2005. KU has a huge TV contract with ESPN and owns a majority of the Kansas City television market. What other program in the dying Big 12 would add more additional revenue to another conference outside of Texas and Oklahoma?
Seriously, Kansas City is not that impressive of a TV market. I love KC and grew up there, but my God.
I suppose you also think Johnson County rich is the same as NYC or LA rich...
Post by: Trim on September 15, 2011, 06:51:03 PM
Boy if ku doesn't end up in Big 10 Ben is going to look like a fool.
Not as much as Frank (the Tank).
Post by: thebigcatbowski on September 15, 2011, 06:55:09 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Clearly you need something to break this down for you because you're not getting it.
1. Kansas City is an okay market that nobody is banging down the doors to get. Mizzou would give it to you (with St. Louis) and K-State would give it to you as well.
2. Being a member of the AAU means nothing to any conference other than the Big Ten and it may mean nothing since they knew Nebraska was going to lose its membership.
3. KU is average academically.
4. KU's large athletic budget (which doesn't really exist) means nothing. How does your budget make a conference money?
5. Your basketball program is almost meaningless. The only time it is going to enter the conversation is if a conference can only take one of the Kansas schools. Your basketball program is the tiebreaker between K-State/KU. That's all it is.
Post by: pike on September 15, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Clearly you need something to break this down for you because you're not getting it.
1. Kansas City is an okay market that nobody is banging down the doors to get. Mizzou would give it to you (with St. Louis) and K-State would give it to you as well.
2. Being a member of the AAU means nothing to any conference other than the Big Ten and it may mean nothing since they knew Nebraska was going to lose its membership.
3. KU is average academically.
4. KU's large athletic budget (which doesn't really exist) means nothing. How does your budget make a conference money?
5. Your basketball program is almost meaningless. The only time it is going to enter the conversation is if a conference can only take one of the Kansas schools. Your basketball program is the tiebreaker between K-State/KU. That's all it is.
:horrorsurprise:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2011, 07:01:46 PM
Boy if ku doesn't end up in Big 10 Ben is going to look like a fool.
Not as much as Frank (the Tank).
I feel like Frank (the Tank) has established a track record of accuracy.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 07:05:49 PM
KU has a better basketball program :dunno:KU doesn't just have a better basketball program... they have a top five basketball program that draws national interest. KU also owns a majority of a relatively large TV market in Kansas City. KU is solid academically and is a member of the AAU. We have a larger alumni base than K-State and a larger athletic budget. I mean these are simply facts that you can't argue against. Outside of programs like Texas and Notre Dame, KU is right up there when it comes to bringing additional revenue to another conference.
Clearly you need something to break this down for you because you're not getting it.
1. Kansas City is an okay market that nobody is banging down the doors to get. Mizzou would give it to you (with St. Louis) and K-State would give it to you as well.
2. Being a member of the AAU means nothing to any conference other than the Big Ten and it may mean nothing since they knew Nebraska was going to lose its membership.
3. KU is average academically.
4. KU's large athletic budget (which doesn't really exist) means nothing. How does your budget make a conference money?
5. Your basketball program is almost meaningless. The only time it is going to enter the conversation is if a conference can only take one of the Kansas schools. Your basketball program is the tiebreaker between K-State/KU. That's all it is.
:horrorsurprise:
Me too, pike. Whenever someone with very few posts goes on a thumbs-up rant like this (very rare) I feel like the kids at the end of Little Rascals must have felt when Uh-Huh expresses his large vocabulary for the first time.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:07:28 PM
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(3) If the Big Ten wants to make a ton of TV money, it will invite Nebraska – I’ve been increasingly become more and more supportive of Nebraska joining the Big Ten lately and Patrick’s analysis completely sealed it. Nebraska’s small market be damned – the Husker fan base is as rabid as any other in the country and they will tune in anytime, anywhere. (If you were wondering, the photo at the top of this post is evidence of how Nebraska fans completely took over South Bend a few years ago when they played Notre Dame.) In fact, Patrick’s figures mean that we should remove Nebraska from the realm of “Well, they might be coming instead of Missouri” or “They’re a good back-up if Notre Dame doesn’t want to join” and put the Cornhuskers into the “lock” category instead. I will now officially be shocked if Big Ten expansion occurs without Nebraska involved.
:rolleyes:
Post by: hemmy on September 15, 2011, 07:09:13 PM
Post by: pike on September 15, 2011, 07:10:46 PM
Yeah, it's clear that this guy had no idea what he was talking about with regards to Big 10 expansion:Quote(3) If the Big Ten wants to make a ton of TV money, it will invite Nebraska – I’ve been increasingly become more and more supportive of Nebraska joining the Big Ten lately and Patrick’s analysis completely sealed it. Nebraska’s small market be damned – the Husker fan base is as rabid as any other in the country and they will tune in anytime, anywhere. (If you were wondering, the photo at the top of this post is evidence of how Nebraska fans completely took over South Bend a few years ago when they played Notre Dame.) In fact, Patrick’s figures mean that we should remove Nebraska from the realm of “Well, they might be coming instead of Missouri” or “They’re a good back-up if Notre Dame doesn’t want to join” and put the Cornhuskers into the “lock” category instead. I will now officially be shocked if Big Ten expansion occurs without Nebraska involved.
:rolleyes:
Even a broken clock...
Post by: Trim on September 15, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
7 Boston
8 Atlanta
9 Washington, DC
10 Houston
11 Detroit
12 Phoenix
13 Tampa-St. Petersburg
14 Seattle-Tacoma
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul
16 Miami-Ft.Lauderdale
17 Cleveland-Akron
18 Denver
19 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
21 St. Louis
22 Portland, OR
23 Pittsburgh
24 Charlotte, NC
25 Indianapolis
26 Baltimore
27 Raleigh-Durham
28 San Diego
29 Nashville
30 Hartford-New Haven
31 Kansas City
32 Columbus, OH
33 Salt Lake City
34 Cincinnati
35 Milwaukee
36 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
37 San Antonio
38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
39 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
40 Birmingham
41 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
42 Las Vegas
43 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
44 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
45 Oklahoma City
46 Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem
47 Jacksonville, FL
48 Memphis
49 Austin
50 Louisville
The level of denial on this board in regards to KU being a more attractive option than K-State is just staggering. Just accept the fact K-State's best hope of coming out okay in conference realignment is to firmly attach yourselves to KU's nut sack and hang on for dear life. The facts have been regurgitated over and over again, and you still can't see the light. It's the exact reason why I left this shithole of a board, and will probably leave for good once I create a new sock for phog.net.
Post by: pike on September 15, 2011, 07:13:56 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 07:14:24 PM
Right between New Haven and Colombus. 'grats, Beems!!!
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
The KU academics angle is your most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, its just as easy for any dumbass to get into ku as it is k-state.
Look, butthurt hayseed, being an AAU member helps KU in regards to conference expansion. It's why K-State will never be considered for the Big 10.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 15, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Post by: Trim on September 15, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
The level of denial on this board in regards to KU being a more attractive option than K-State is just staggering. Just accept the fact K-State's best hope of coming out okay in conference realignment is to firmly attach yourselves to KU's nut sack and hang on for dear life. The facts have been regurgitated over and over again, and you still can't see the light. It's the exact reason why I left this shithole of a board, and will probably leave for good once I create a new sock for phog.net.
WILL PROBABLY LEAVE FOR GOOD
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 15, 2011, 07:15:32 PM
The level of denial on this board in regards to KU being a more attractive option than K-State is just staggering. Just accept the fact K-State's best hope of coming out okay in conference realignment is to firmly attach yourselves to KU's nut sack and hang on for dear life. The facts have been regurgitated over and over again, and you still can't see the light. It's the exact reason why I left this shithole of a board, and will probably leave for good once I create a new sock for phog.net.
What will this be, about the seventh or eighth "for good this time"?
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 07:16:38 PM
once I create a new sock for phog.net.
PhatPhace
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:17:21 PM
Post by: Trim on September 15, 2011, 07:17:34 PM
once I create a new sock for phog.net.
PhatPhace
:lol:
Post by: Gooch on September 15, 2011, 07:17:52 PM
:thumbsup:once I create a new sock for phog.net.
PhatPhace
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 07:18:05 PM
You're right, I should have never come back. This place is a cesspool of low self esteem butthurt hayseeds who cheer for one of the worst athletic programs in the country. I feel sorry for you guys, honestly.
13-1
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 15, 2011, 07:18:57 PM
i feel like we get along well. i don't trash you. i like you here. i hope you stay. why do you keep ignoring my question about why you got banned from phog? i really don't understand and it is kind of hurting my feelings. why?
Post by: Trim on September 15, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2011, 07:23:12 PM
Look, butthurt hayseed, being an AAU member helps KU in regards to conference expansion. It's why K-State will never be considered for the Big 10.
here's to hoping expansion comes sooner rather than later! :cheers:
Post by: Gooch on September 15, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
You're right, I should have never come back. This place is a cesspool of low self esteem butthurt hayseeds who cheer for one of the worst athletic programs in the country. I feel sorry for you guys, honestly.I'll leave out the estro sports cause they should really count anyways
KSU 2009 - 2010
Football bowl game - check
Basketball NCAA tourney - check
Baseball tourney - check
KU?
1-3 isn't bad i guess.
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 07:36:49 PM
KU is right on par with Notre Dame ... when it comes to adding additional conference revenue
seriously rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I mean you have no concept of how rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) this is. I'm rough ridin' stunned at how rough ridin' dumb you are. Honestly you are making KU look bad by claiming to be an educated fan and than posting crap like this. You make KU look worse than the diploma mill high schools your b-ball recruits go to.
Love the fact you have yet to respond to Dax and I calling out your revenue sources before. I mean who doesn't think frank the tank's blog and turfburner.com aren't reputable sources.
Also when was KC's espn ratings the highest in decades? I seem to recall K-State MADE that happen as KU has had many opportunities and failed. Face it Beem you keep holding on to KC market when you know deep down inside that you control nothing. Your T-Shirt fans are one Bill Self recruiting trip away from turning off the TV sets as KU goes on probation again.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:44:39 PM
http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/1106772.html (http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/1106772.html)
From the Eugene Reporter:
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There is plenty of talk that Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott does not want to sit at 14 conference members and that two other Big 12 schools will be joining the Oklahoma contingent.
It is known that the Pac-12 greatly values Texas and has designs on Texas and Texas Tech being that pair. However, the Longhorns stubbornness in wanting to keep it's third tier rights and partner with ESPN in the Longhorn Network is a sticking point for both Texas and Scott and the Pac-12. The other pair in lieu of Texas and Texas Tech appear to be Kansas and Missouri or Kansas and Kansas State.
One journalist with plenty of experience and contacts throughout the conferences and schools most heavily involved in the current state of realignment is George Schroeder of the Eugene (Ore.) Register Guard. Schroeder, who also writes for national publications, including Sports Illustrated, has covered Arkansas and the SEC, Oklahoma and the Big 12, and has been in Oregon covering the Ducks, the Pac-12, and national college football for the past four years.
Schroeder says his sources tell him the Pac-12, as reported, will take Oklahoma State and Oklahoma, with or without Texas.
"It's clear that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State that the Pac-12 is ready to invite them and that they have that indicated to them regardless of whether or not Texas or anybody else is willing to come along," said Schroeder. "I have heard that from people that are high up at the Pac-12 that will happen. I'm also hearing that they really want Texas and that they don't want to be at 14.
"Now as things continue to happen and as we wait for the SEC and Texas A&M (to be official), I think we are going to continue to hear wilder and wilder things," added Schroeder. "The KU and K-State thing would be mildly surprising to me. They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketball. It would not be a monetary thing with football, but it would give you a flagship basketball program on one side of the league and one on the other side of the league with UCLA. It just gets weirder and weirder as time goes on."
Schroeder said he isn't sure whether all of this realignment and the move toward super conferences is good or bad for college football and college athletics. It really kind of remains to be seen. He also isn't sure whether the rapid movement of it all is good or bad or if something is being missed in breakneck speed that schools and conferences are shifting.
He does see that Oklahoma State and Oklahoma will fit in some ways into the culture of the Pac-12 Conference and in some ways they may not, but their influence will be felt and be felt the day they join the league.
"I think it all sort of depends on if they take two schools and get to 14 or if they take four schools and get to 16," started Schroeder. "If you get to 16 and you have the East-West divisions then you are still with the same schools you have been playing all these years. You would have the original Pac-8 and then you would have Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, and whatever these four Big 12 schools would be. At that point it is a nice fit because you really have two leagues within one. If you just have 14 then it is a cultural adjustment for everybody because the Pac-12 is a different league. Even the passion is different. Oregon can fit in anywhere.Their fan base is like that in the SEC or Big 12. Eugene is a liberal hotbed, but their passion for football is like the schools in the SEC and Big 12.
"The image of UCLA fans half filling the Rose Bowl and playing with beach balls like they are at Dodger Stadium is a little bit of a characterture, but it's not a bad characterture. It will be a culture shock in some ways for everybody."
Get ready for a little shock because it sure looks strong that the Cowboys are edging that way along with the Sooners. The major question is who or what two will join them?
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Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:47:19 PM
KU is right on par with Notre Dame ... when it comes to adding additional conference revenue
seriously rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I mean you have no concept of how rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) this is. I'm rough ridin' stunned at how rough ridin' dumb you are. Honestly you are making KU look bad by claiming to be an educated fan and than posting crap like this. You make KU look worse than the diploma mill high schools your b-ball recruits go to.
Love the fact you have yet to respond to Dax and I calling out your revenue sources before. I mean who doesn't think frank the tank's blog and turfburner.com aren't reputable sources.
Also when was KC's espn ratings the highest in decades? I seem to recall K-State MADE that happen as KU has had many opportunities and failed. Face it Beem you keep holding on to KC market when you know deep down inside that you control nothing. Your T-Shirt fans are one Bill Self recruiting trip away from turning off the TV sets as KU goes on probation again.
Nice meltdown, butthurt hayseed. Take your anger out on whoever compiled the data for this list:
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 07:48:34 PM
http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/list-of-15-big-ten-candidates-is-who-may-come-with-texas-or-notre-dame-not-instead-of-them/ (http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/list-of-15-big-ten-candidates-is-who-may-come-with-texas-or-notre-dame-not-instead-of-them/)QuoteThe fact that the Big Ten has a list of 15 schools that it’s looking at is an indication that the conference is looking at numerous schools that are significantly outside of its conference geographic footprint. To me, this exercise looks a lot more like an evaluation of “Who do we add on top of Texas and/or Notre Dame if we’re willing to go to 14 schools?” From a realistic standpoint, schools from the SEC aren’t going to ever move while the 2 schools that the Big Ten would want from the Pac-10 (USC and UCLA) are no-brainers in the same category as Texas and Notre Dame where there’s no point in even examining them because they’re in if they want to join. Here is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
1. Syracuse – Does it really bring in the NYC market? Can it bring in the NYC market when it’s combined with Penn State? If yes, does Syracuse or Rutgers do this better?
2. Rutgers – See comment for Syracuse.
3. UCONN – Can it make inroads into both the NYC and Boston markets? It’s not an AAU member but its overall rankings are pretty solid, so is that good enough academically? Is the youth of the football program at the Division 1-A level a complete non-starter?
4. Pitt – Great for both academics and athletics, but can they really add much in terms of TV viewers with Penn State already delivering the Pittsburgh market, especially when there are other candidates that are similar but can bring in new markets?
5. Maryland – Is it more trustworthy in its ability to deliver the DC and Baltimore markets than the other East Coast candidates with respect to their own markets? What does a Maryland/Penn State combo do for the conference in terms of delivering the Mid-Atlantic region? Is there enough commitment to the football program in terms of long-term competitiveness?
6. Virginia – An unequivocal academic superstar, but are its athletic programs good enough to add more value? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland?
7. Virginia Tech – Rising in terms of academics but not an AAU member, so is that satisfactory? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland or UVA?
8. Boston College - Can it really deliver the Boston market? Is the fan base large enough to justify inclusion? Very strong undergrad program but isn’t an AAU member, so will it fit academically?
9. Miami – Can it deliver the Florida market by itself? It’s not an AAU member and doesn’t have great graduate programs, but it’s a top 50 undergrad school. Is that enough in terms of academics? Is the poor attendance and traveling fan base for the football program trumped by its extremely strong national TV drawing power?
10. Missouri - Has the ability to draw in the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but is that enough considering that there are options in more populous regions like the Northeast, Florida and Texas? Many assume that it’s an academic fit as an AAU member, but it’s actually lower in the US News rankings than Nebraska, so does it really meet the Big Ten’s academic requirements?
11. Nebraska – Is the national drawing power of its football program enough to compensate for its tiny home TV market? Lots of questions as to whether it would be an academic fit even though it’s an AAU member already. Does it meet the Big Ten’s academic standards?
12. Colorado – Long assumed to be a top Pac-10 target, but could it be a viable Big Ten candidate since it’s actually a better academic and cultural fit with the Big Ten than anyone in the Big XII besides Texas? Is the population growth trend in the Denver area more attractive than adding presently larger markets like the state of Missouri when looking at this decision 20 or 30 years down the road?
13. Oklahoma – Obvious national football power, but without AAU membership (unlike Missouri or Nebraska) or high academic rankings (unlike UConn), can it fit in academically?
14. Kansas – 99% of these decisions are about football, but Kansas isn’t any ordinary basketball school (where only Duke, UNC and Kentucky can compare nationally). Is the elite status of its basketball program enough to compensate for a historically weak football program that no longer has the services of Baby Mangino?
15. Texas A&M – Is the Big Ten truly fine with the thought of Texas A&M coming along with Texas in a package deal? Are the Aggies really a threat to go to the SEC if the Big Ten doesn’t invite them? What do they bring to the table that Texas doesn’t bring alone?
Please note that K-State is/was not a candidate for the Big 10.
http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-value-of-expansion-candidates-to-the-big-ten-network/ (http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-value-of-expansion-candidates-to-the-big-ten-network/)
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
Please note that K-State is/was not a candidate for Big 10 expansion.
you simple crap do you even fact check the crap you are getting from these blogs?
Candidates Potential New Cable Carry Cable Ad Increase Est. Increase In Est. Added Revenue Total Added Revenue
Households Increase New Market Current Footprint Increased Games BTN Estimate
Texas 7,501,000 $32,404,320 $33,063,884 $25,900,800 $10,000,000 $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC 7,493,000 $32,369,760 $12,855,921 $12,572,928 $10,000,000 $67,798,609
Nebraska 1,275,000 $5,508,000 $16,992,662 $21,987,328 $10,000,000 $54,487,990
Maryland 3,586,000 $15,491,520 $13,947,657 $11,379,712 $10,000,000 $50,818,889
Boston College 3,291,000 $14,217,120 $15,022,276 $9,143,296 $10,000,000 $48,382,692
Notre Dame n/a n/a $16,945,735 $20,683,520 $10,000,000 $47,629,255
Kansas 1,728,000 $7,464,960 $15,906,396 $12,948,736 $10,000,000 $46,320,092
Missouri 1,542,000 $6,661,440 $12,825,299 $16,414,720 $10,000,000 $45,901,459
Syracuse 2,600,000 $11,232,000 $12,277,805 $9,995,008 $10,000,000 $43,504,813
Connecticut 1,010,000 $4,363,200 $13,930,447 $9,786,624 $10,000,000 $38,080,271
Pittsburgh n/a n/a 10,682,999 $13,682,176 $10,000,000 $34,365,175
Iowa State n/a n/a $9,993,125 $11,837,952 $10,000,000 $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC 10,093,000 $43,601,760 $12,277,805 $9,995,008 $10,000,000 $65,874,573
JFC its just crap from some guy's ass.
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2011, 07:49:46 PM
They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketball.
now quoting esl journalists from needleville usa :lol:
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
Please respond either my critique of your source which had KU at a value of 7.5mill plus and Texas at 350k and Dax's pwning you about profit due to contributions from student funds.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:52:15 PM
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Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 07:52:21 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:53:28 PM
I'm not melting down. I'm so rough ridin' stunned that you claim to be educated. I'm really shocked. You complete lack of a logical thought process is unbelievable. Do you crap yourself often because I can't see how you can keep the order of operations down for basic human functions.
Please respond either my critique of your source which had KU at a value of 7.5mill plus and Texas at 350k and Dax's pwning you about profit due to contributions from student funds.
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Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 07:54:15 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: pike on September 15, 2011, 07:55:03 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
I'm not melting down. I'm so rough ridin' stunned that you claim to be educated. I'm really shocked. You complete lack of a logical thought process is unbelievable. Do you crap yourself often because I can't see how you can keep the order of operations down for basic human functions.
Please respond either my critique of your source which had KU at a value of 7.5mill plus and Texas at 350k and Dax's pwning you about profit due to contributions from student funds.
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wut?
:confused:
You fail to acknowledge evidence that KU has little to no money, and ednksu is the one melting down?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2011, 07:56:33 PM
The KU academics angle is your most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, its just as easy for any dumbass to get into ku as it is k-state.
Look, butthurt hayseed, being an AAU member helps KU in regards to conference expansion. It's why K-State will never be considered for the Big 10.
Ku isn't being considered for Big 10 either.
Post by: babytears on September 15, 2011, 07:58:43 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 15, 2011, 07:58:44 PM
You're missing one line between the wut? and the :confused: guy. Mods please modify the [beemstapout] templateI'm not melting down. I'm so rough ridin' stunned that you claim to be educated. I'm really shocked. You complete lack of a logical thought process is unbelievable. Do you crap yourself often because I can't see how you can keep the order of operations down for basic human functions.
Please respond either my critique of your source which had KU at a value of 7.5mill plus and Texas at 350k and Dax's pwning you about profit due to contributions from student funds.
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:love:
wut?
:confused:
You fail to acknowledge evidence that KU has little to no money, and ednksu is the one melting down?
Post by: 0.42 on September 15, 2011, 07:59:32 PM
i mean you can practically set your watch to this
Post by: 0.42 on September 15, 2011, 08:00:03 PM
:users:
i mean you can practically set your watch to this
you can also set your watch to me making a comment about setting your watch to this
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 08:00:52 PM
The KU academics angle is your most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, its just as easy for any dumbass to get into ku as it is k-state.
Look, butthurt hayseed, being an AAU member helps KU in regards to conference expansion. It's why K-State will never be considered for the Big 10.
Ku isn't being considered for Big 10 either.
Options scenario #323902
They may put that into play if they allow the Big12 to continue
Beems is there a BINDER to contain all these OPTIONS
Post by: 0.42 on September 15, 2011, 08:00:57 PM
:users:
i mean you can practically set your watch to this
you can also set your watch to me making a comment about setting your watch to this
then you can set your watch to me making a comment about setting your watch to making a comment about setting your watch and then barry switzer teabags your mother.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:01:24 PM
The KU academics angle is your most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, its just as easy for any dumbass to get into ku as it is k-state.
Look, butthurt hayseed, being an AAU member helps KU in regards to conference expansion. It's why K-State will never be considered for the Big 10.
Ku isn't being considered for Big 10 either.
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The fact that the Big Ten has a list of 15 schools that it’s looking at is an indication that the conference is looking at numerous schools that are significantly outside of its conference geographic footprint. To me, this exercise looks a lot more like an evaluation of “Who do we add on top of Texas and/or Notre Dame if we’re willing to go to 14 schools?” From a realistic standpoint, schools from the SEC aren’t going to ever move while the 2 schools that the Big Ten would want from the Pac-10 (USC and UCLA) are no-brainers in the same category as Texas and Notre Dame where there’s no point in even examining them because they’re in if they want to join. Here is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
1. Syracuse – Does it really bring in the NYC market? Can it bring in the NYC market when it’s combined with Penn State? If yes, does Syracuse or Rutgers do this better?
2. Rutgers – See comment for Syracuse.
3. UCONN – Can it make inroads into both the NYC and Boston markets? It’s not an AAU member but its overall rankings are pretty solid, so is that good enough academically? Is the youth of the football program at the Division 1-A level a complete non-starter?
4. Pitt – Great for both academics and athletics, but can they really add much in terms of TV viewers with Penn State already delivering the Pittsburgh market, especially when there are other candidates that are similar but can bring in new markets?
5. Maryland – Is it more trustworthy in its ability to deliver the DC and Baltimore markets than the other East Coast candidates with respect to their own markets? What does a Maryland/Penn State combo do for the conference in terms of delivering the Mid-Atlantic region? Is there enough commitment to the football program in terms of long-term competitiveness?
6. Virginia – An unequivocal academic superstar, but are its athletic programs good enough to add more value? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland?
7. Virginia Tech – Rising in terms of academics but not an AAU member, so is that satisfactory? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland or UVA?
8. Boston College - Can it really deliver the Boston market? Is the fan base large enough to justify inclusion? Very strong undergrad program but isn’t an AAU member, so will it fit academically?
9. Miami – Can it deliver the Florida market by itself? It’s not an AAU member and doesn’t have great graduate programs, but it’s a top 50 undergrad school. Is that enough in terms of academics? Is the poor attendance and traveling fan base for the football program trumped by its extremely strong national TV drawing power?
10. Missouri - Has the ability to draw in the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but is that enough considering that there are options in more populous regions like the Northeast, Florida and Texas? Many assume that it’s an academic fit as an AAU member, but it’s actually lower in the US News rankings than Nebraska, so does it really meet the Big Ten’s academic requirements?
11. Nebraska – Is the national drawing power of its football program enough to compensate for its tiny home TV market? Lots of questions as to whether it would be an academic fit even though it’s an AAU member already. Does it meet the Big Ten’s academic standards?
12. Colorado – Long assumed to be a top Pac-10 target, but could it be a viable Big Ten candidate since it’s actually a better academic and cultural fit with the Big Ten than anyone in the Big XII besides Texas? Is the population growth trend in the Denver area more attractive than adding presently larger markets like the state of Missouri when looking at this decision 20 or 30 years down the road?
13. Oklahoma – Obvious national football power, but without AAU membership (unlike Missouri or Nebraska) or high academic rankings (unlike UConn), can it fit in academically?
14. Kansas – 99% of these decisions are about football, but Kansas isn’t any ordinary basketball school (where only Duke, UNC and Kentucky can compare nationally). Is the elite status of its basketball program enough to compensate for a historically weak football program that no longer has the services of Baby Mangino?
15. Texas A&M – Is the Big Ten truly fine with the thought of Texas A&M coming along with Texas in a package deal? Are the Aggies really a threat to go to the SEC if the Big Ten doesn’t invite them? What do they bring to the table that Texas doesn’t bring alone?
This is just too damn easy.
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2011, 08:02:04 PM
:users:
i mean you can practically set your watch to this
it's like thanksgiving, christmas, and new years all rolled in one
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Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 08:02:39 PM
Beem the BOMBER dropping knowledge bombs on all of us.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
The KU academics angle is your most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, its just as easy for any dumbass to get into ku as it is k-state.
Look, butthurt hayseed, being an AAU member helps KU in regards to conference expansion. It's why K-State will never be considered for the Big 10.
Ku isn't being considered for Big 10 either.QuoteThe fact that the Big Ten has a list of 15 schools that it’s looking at is an indication that the conference is looking at numerous schools that are significantly outside of its conference geographic footprint. To me, this exercise looks a lot more like an evaluation of “Who do we add on top of Texas and/or Notre Dame if we’re willing to go to 14 schools?” From a realistic standpoint, schools from the SEC aren’t going to ever move while the 2 schools that the Big Ten would want from the Pac-10 (USC and UCLA) are no-brainers in the same category as Texas and Notre Dame where there’s no point in even examining them because they’re in if they want to join. Here is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
1. Syracuse – Does it really bring in the NYC market? Can it bring in the NYC market when it’s combined with Penn State? If yes, does Syracuse or Rutgers do this better?
2. Rutgers – See comment for Syracuse.
3. UCONN – Can it make inroads into both the NYC and Boston markets? It’s not an AAU member but its overall rankings are pretty solid, so is that good enough academically? Is the youth of the football program at the Division 1-A level a complete non-starter?
4. Pitt – Great for both academics and athletics, but can they really add much in terms of TV viewers with Penn State already delivering the Pittsburgh market, especially when there are other candidates that are similar but can bring in new markets?
5. Maryland – Is it more trustworthy in its ability to deliver the DC and Baltimore markets than the other East Coast candidates with respect to their own markets? What does a Maryland/Penn State combo do for the conference in terms of delivering the Mid-Atlantic region? Is there enough commitment to the football program in terms of long-term competitiveness?
6. Virginia – An unequivocal academic superstar, but are its athletic programs good enough to add more value? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland?
7. Virginia Tech – Rising in terms of academics but not an AAU member, so is that satisfactory? Can it really deliver the DC market any better than Maryland or UVA?
8. Boston College - Can it really deliver the Boston market? Is the fan base large enough to justify inclusion? Very strong undergrad program but isn’t an AAU member, so will it fit academically?
9. Miami – Can it deliver the Florida market by itself? It’s not an AAU member and doesn’t have great graduate programs, but it’s a top 50 undergrad school. Is that enough in terms of academics? Is the poor attendance and traveling fan base for the football program trumped by its extremely strong national TV drawing power?
10. Missouri - Has the ability to draw in the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but is that enough considering that there are options in more populous regions like the Northeast, Florida and Texas? Many assume that it’s an academic fit as an AAU member, but it’s actually lower in the US News rankings than Nebraska, so does it really meet the Big Ten’s academic requirements?
11. Nebraska – Is the national drawing power of its football program enough to compensate for its tiny home TV market? Lots of questions as to whether it would be an academic fit even though it’s an AAU member already. Does it meet the Big Ten’s academic standards?
12. Colorado – Long assumed to be a top Pac-10 target, but could it be a viable Big Ten candidate since it’s actually a better academic and cultural fit with the Big Ten than anyone in the Big XII besides Texas? Is the population growth trend in the Denver area more attractive than adding presently larger markets like the state of Missouri when looking at this decision 20 or 30 years down the road?
13. Oklahoma – Obvious national football power, but without AAU membership (unlike Missouri or Nebraska) or high academic rankings (unlike UConn), can it fit in academically?
14. Kansas – 99% of these decisions are about football, but Kansas isn’t any ordinary basketball school (where only Duke, UNC and Kentucky can compare nationally). Is the elite status of its basketball program enough to compensate for a historically weak football program that no longer has the services of Baby Mangino?
15. Texas A&M – Is the Big Ten truly fine with the thought of Texas A&M coming along with Texas in a package deal? Are the Aggies really a threat to go to the SEC if the Big Ten doesn’t invite them? What do they bring to the table that Texas doesn’t bring alone?
This is just too damn easy.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2011, 08:04:02 PM
Manhattan should set up an Ellis Island-ish thing where they open the city to each and every Mexican that wants to move there. Lots of Mexicans (like your bball team :lol: ). And when they come, instead of a giving them a cup of soup, you give them a color TV set. That place would get huge. Huge TV-owning population = huge TV market. This is the only was to avoid the Missouri Valley. Believe!!
The PAC 10 won't take ku because it's the most racist school in country.
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2011, 08:04:46 PM
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The fact that the Big Ten has a list of 15 schools that it’s looking at is an indication that the conference is looking at numerous schools that are significantly outside of its conference geographic footprint.
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Here is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
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Post by: kstater on September 15, 2011, 08:05:58 PM
You're right, I should have never come back. This place is a cesspool of low self esteem butthurt hayseeds who cheer for one of the worst athletic programs in the country. I feel sorry for you guys, honestly.
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Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:08:37 PM
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Post by: 0.42 on September 15, 2011, 08:09:04 PM
Butthurt Nation is in all out invalidation mode. I love it.
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Post by: Gooch on September 15, 2011, 08:10:01 PM
wut?Butthurt Nation is in all out invalidation mode. I love it.
:love:
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Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on September 15, 2011, 08:11:59 PM
Post by: 0.42 on September 15, 2011, 08:12:22 PM
wut?Butthurt Nation is in all out invalidation mode. I love it.
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Christmas in September, bro
Post by: Saulbadguy on September 15, 2011, 08:12:42 PM
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 08:14:45 PM
35-3 Big 12 regular season/post-season titles and Elite Eight would have been the best season in the modern day era of K-State basketball. For Jayhawk fans, it was just another season. God, I love it.really..... i mean really.....Do we really have to go with you losing to mid major smack?
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I know, lets go realignment based on tournament, outs. put like competition with like competition
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:16:05 PM
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They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketball. It would not be a monetary thing with football, but it would give you a flagship basketball program on one side of the league and one on the other side of the league with UCLA.
:woot:
Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 08:16:26 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 08:16:40 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 15, 2011, 08:17:32 PM
Also, congrats on being mentioned in someones Pac 12 speculation. Note though, we're listed too.
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Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 08:17:43 PM
What's the over/under on number of posts before Beems implodes and leaves (forever!) again?
He can only own us with FRANK THE TANK and TURFBURNER.COM for so long.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:18:26 PM
KU absolutely SHOULD be terrified of going mid-major. Have they ever won a game against them?
K-State is a mid major. Next.
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2011, 08:20:06 PM
ku draws alot of poor/white trash viewers, so they aren't as attractive, in terms of television dollars.
Good point, Saul. Advertisers want viewers who can actually buy their products.
Post by: babytears on September 15, 2011, 08:20:38 PM
Manhattan should set up an Ellis Island-ish thing where they open the city to each and every Mexican that wants to move there. Lots of Mexicans (like your bball team :lol: ). And when they come, instead of a giving them a cup of soup, you give them a color TV set. That place would get huge. Huge TV-owning population = huge TV market. This is the only was to avoid the Missouri Valley. Believe!!
The PAC 10 won't take ku because it's the most racist school in country.
So...what's with you, buddy? You have a picture of a KU guy under your name thing. And then you have a reference to KU under that picture thing. And then you have a quote from a KU fan under the space where your posts go. Is 'Limestone' a reference to KU too? But you are a KSU fan, right? I find all of this weird. Does anyone else find this weird? I find it weird. I mean, I kinda understand why you wouldn't like KU very much, but to form your identity around KU is pretty odd. It makes you seem like a real dildo. Just being honest.
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2011, 08:20:55 PM
KU absolutely SHOULD be terrified of going mid-major. Have they ever won a game against them?
K-State is a mid major. Next.
Source?
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
KU absolutely SHOULD be terrified of going mid-major. Have they ever won a game against them?
K-State is a mid major. Next.
Source?
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SO GOOD ESPN CAN'T GET A CONTRACT FOR HIM TO WRITE THEIR CONTENT
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Post by: chum1 on September 15, 2011, 08:25:24 PM
Post by: 0.42 on September 15, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
you all just fell for oh's plan to ruin the phog gems thread. seriously, wasn't there an oh master thread for this crap?
i would argue that this thread at least was partially motivated in bringing him back here in the first place :kstategrad:
Post by: mcmwcat on September 15, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
you all just fell for oh's plan to ruin the phog gems thread. seriously, wasn't there an oh master thread for this crap?
this is the thread for him. he is ruining the Cigars thread
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:29:05 PM
Congrats on keeping your fingers crossed that the Big Ten drops to option 14 of 15
Also, congrats on being mentioned in someones Pac 12 speculation. Note though, we're listed too.
:dunno:
It wasn't in any certain order. It was just a list. Butthurt status noted, though.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 08:30:29 PM
Congrats on keeping your fingers crossed that the Big Ten drops to option 14 of 15
Also, congrats on being mentioned in someones Pac 12 speculation. Note though, we're listed too.
:dunno:
It wasn't in any certain order. It was just a list. Butthurt status noted, though.
Ben, you calling someone butthurt is like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) calling someone dumb.
Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
Post by: pike on September 15, 2011, 08:32:11 PM
Congrats on keeping your fingers crossed that the Big Ten drops to option 14 of 15
Also, congrats on being mentioned in someones Pac 12 speculation. Note though, we're listed too.
:dunno:
It wasn't in any certain order. It was just a list. Butthurt status noted, though.
In that case, I bet KU is top 3
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:32:17 PM
Congrats on keeping your fingers crossed that the Big Ten drops to option 14 of 15
Also, congrats on being mentioned in someones Pac 12 speculation. Note though, we're listed too.
:dunno:
It wasn't in any certain order. It was just a list. Butthurt status noted, though.
Ben, you calling someone butthurt is like a respect calling someone dumb.
Butthurt is as butthurt does.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:32:56 PM
No particular order but they are still numbered? That makes sense.
Yeah, Nebraska was option 11 out of 15, which is why they're currently in the Big 10.
:rolleyes:
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2011, 08:33:49 PM
Congrats on keeping your fingers crossed that the Big Ten drops to option 14 of 15
Also, congrats on being mentioned in someones Pac 12 speculation. Note though, we're listed too.
:dunno:
It wasn't in any certain order. It was just a list. Butthurt status noted, though.
Yeah Chicat, your butt hurt status has been noted. It has been NOTED.
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2011, 08:34:09 PM
Manhattan should set up an Ellis Island-ish thing where they open the city to each and every Mexican that wants to move there. Lots of Mexicans (like your bball team :lol: ). And when they come, instead of a giving them a cup of soup, you give them a color TV set. That place would get huge. Huge TV-owning population = huge TV market. This is the only way to avoid the Missouri Valley. Believe!!i've got a better idea. k-state should rename themselves University of California Manhattan, and try to trick the PAC into thinking we're one of them. i think it will work. step 2 will be to move the campus to california.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2011, 08:34:47 PM
Manhattan should set up an Ellis Island-ish thing where they open the city to each and every Mexican that wants to move there. Lots of Mexicans (like your bball team :lol: ). And when they come, instead of a giving them a cup of soup, you give them a color TV set. That place would get huge. Huge TV-owning population = huge TV market. This is the only was to avoid the Missouri Valley. Believe!!
The PAC 10 won't take ku because it's the most racist school in country.
So...what's with you, buddy? You have a picture of a KU guy under your name thing. And then you have a reference to KU under that picture thing. And then you have a quote from a KU fan under the space where your posts go. Is 'Limestone' a reference to KU too? But you are a KSU fan, right? I find all of this weird. Does anyone else find this weird? I find it weird. I mean, I kinda understand why you wouldn't like KU very much, but to form your identity around KU is pretty odd. It makes you seem like a real dildo. Just being honest.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 08:35:43 PM
No particular order but they are still numbered? That makes sense.
Yeah, Nebraska was option 11 out of 15, which is why they're currently in the Big 10.
:rolleyes:
I think that's more of an indication as to how reliable your source is.
Post by: ChiComCat on September 15, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
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Here is my semi-educated guess as to who is on that list of 15 schools as well as the key questions that the Big Ten ought to be asking about them:
Congrats on being on some doodz semi-educated guess (not in any particular ordered) list then :dunno:
Post by: 06wildcat on September 15, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
TIA
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:38:51 PM
No particular order but they are still numbered? That makes sense.
Yeah, Nebraska was option 11 out of 15, which is why they're currently in the Big 10.
:rolleyes:
I think that's more of an indication as to how reliable your source is.
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(3) If the Big Ten wants to make a ton of TV money, it will invite Nebraska – I’ve been increasingly become more and more supportive of Nebraska joining the Big Ten lately and Patrick’s analysis completely sealed it. Nebraska’s small market be damned – the Husker fan base is as rabid as any other in the country and they will tune in anytime, anywhere. (If you were wondering, the photo at the top of this post is evidence of how Nebraska fans completely took over South Bend a few years ago when they played Notre Dame.) In fact, Patrick’s figures mean that we should remove Nebraska from the realm of “Well, they might be coming instead of Missouri” or “They’re a good back-up if Notre Dame doesn’t want to join” and put the Cornhuskers into the “lock” category instead. I will now officially be shocked if Big Ten expansion occurs without Nebraska involved.
This is just too easy.
Post by: Fldermaus on September 15, 2011, 08:40:04 PM
Manhattan should set up an Ellis Island-ish thing where they open the city to each and every Mexican that wants to move there. Lots of Mexicans (like your bball team :lol: ). And when they come, instead of a giving them a cup of soup, you give them a color TV set. That place would get huge. Huge TV-owning population = huge TV market. This is the only way to avoid the Missouri Valley. Believe!!i've got a better idea. k-state should rename themselves University of California Manhattan, and try to trick the PAC into thinking we're one of them. i think it will work. step 2 will be to move the campus to california.
:love: There is a Manhattan Beach, between Redondo and El Segundo.
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
No particular order but they are still numbered? That makes sense.
Yeah, Nebraska was option 11 out of 15, which is why they're currently in the Big 10.
:rolleyes:
I think that's more of an indication as to how reliable your source is.Quote(3) If the Big Ten wants to make a ton of TV money, it will invite Nebraska – I’ve been increasingly become more and more supportive of Nebraska joining the Big Ten lately and Patrick’s analysis completely sealed it. Nebraska’s small market be damned – the Husker fan base is as rabid as any other in the country and they will tune in anytime, anywhere. (If you were wondering, the photo at the top of this post is evidence of how Nebraska fans completely took over South Bend a few years ago when they played Notre Dame.) In fact, Patrick’s figures mean that we should remove Nebraska from the realm of “Well, they might be coming instead of Missouri” or “They’re a good back-up if Notre Dame doesn’t want to join” and put the Cornhuskers into the “lock” category instead. I will now officially be shocked if Big Ten expansion occurs without Nebraska involved.
This is just too easy.
JFC, you are dumb.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
http://www.omaha.com/article/20110905/SPORTS/709059854/1199 (http://www.omaha.com/article/20110905/SPORTS/709059854/1199)
Published Tuesday September 6, 2011
Shatel: KU better fit than Mizzou for Big Ten
By Tom Shatel
WORLD-HERALD COLUMNIST
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Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany says the league won't be "reactive" if the Big 12 falls into the earth. I believe him. For now.
Delany won't act for two reasons. One, he's not in a hurry to become the first "super conference." Same with Mike Slive of the SEC. They'll sit back and let Larry Scott of the Pac-whatever carry around the baggage as the man who blew up the world. That's why there won't be super conferences anytime soon.
Second, the Big Ten is going to wait on Notre Dame. Will the Irish eventually come around to the Big Ten's way of thinking? If the only road to a national championship is being a member of a super conference, you bet your Golden Dome they will.
If 16 is the magic number, here's what the Big Ten should do: add Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse and Kansas.
BC gives you the New England market and helps coax the Irish in. Syracuse gives you New York (city and upstate), which Rutgers can't. KU?
Missouri is a name that still comes up with the Big Ten, and this time it's not the Tigers floating it. Still, I could see the Big Ten being more attracted to Kansas.
Sure, there's the Kansas City market. MU can't deliver it. KC is a KU town. A KU hoops town. Also, you bring the Hawkers in for the same reason the Huskers were invited: KU brings a national brand to the Big Ten Network, in hoops, of course. But hoops is a point of pride in the league. Add Kansas and Syracuse? That's the No. 1 league in college hoops.
The Big Ten won't go after Oklahoma, because it brings along Oklahoma State in its luggage. Texas? No TV rating is worth that trouble. And then there's the Longhorn Network. Is that thing on yet?
:woot:
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 08:44:44 PM
No particular order but they are still numbered? That makes sense.
Yeah, Nebraska was option 11 out of 15, which is why they're currently in the Big 10.
:rolleyes:
I think that's more of an indication as to how reliable your source is.Quote(3) If the Big Ten wants to make a ton of TV money, it will invite Nebraska – I’ve been increasingly become more and more supportive of Nebraska joining the Big Ten lately and Patrick’s analysis completely sealed it. Nebraska’s small market be damned – the Husker fan base is as rabid as any other in the country and they will tune in anytime, anywhere. (If you were wondering, the photo at the top of this post is evidence of how Nebraska fans completely took over South Bend a few years ago when they played Notre Dame.) In fact, Patrick’s figures mean that we should remove Nebraska from the realm of “Well, they might be coming instead of Missouri” or “They’re a good back-up if Notre Dame doesn’t want to join” and put the Cornhuskers into the “lock” category instead. I will now officially be shocked if Big Ten expansion occurs without Nebraska involved.
This is just too easy.
:lol:
Yeah Beems, I would imagine it's pretty easy to mock someone for their lack of knowledge of an article they haven't read (and won't because it's by someone they've never heard of)
Good work, Beems. Keep it up. :thumbsup:
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2011, 08:47:51 PM
Just another clueless sports writer who thinks KU would be a good fit for the Big 10:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20110905/SPORTS/709059854/1199 (http://www.omaha.com/article/20110905/SPORTS/709059854/1199)
Published Tuesday September 6, 2011
Shatel: KU better fit than Mizzou for Big Ten
By Tom Shatel
WORLD-HERALD COLUMNISTQuoteBig Ten Commissioner Jim Delany says the league won't be "reactive" if the Big 12 falls into the earth. I believe him. For now.
Delany won't act for two reasons. One, he's not in a hurry to become the first "super conference." Same with Mike Slive of the SEC. They'll sit back and let Larry Scott of the Pac-whatever carry around the baggage as the man who blew up the world. That's why there won't be super conferences anytime soon.
Second, the Big Ten is going to wait on Notre Dame. Will the Irish eventually come around to the Big Ten's way of thinking? If the only road to a national championship is being a member of a super conference, you bet your Golden Dome they will.
If 16 is the magic number, here's what the Big Ten should do: add Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse and Kansas.
BC gives you the New England market and helps coax the Irish in. Syracuse gives you New York (city and upstate), which Rutgers can't. KU?
Missouri is a name that still comes up with the Big Ten, and this time it's not the Tigers floating it. Still, I could see the Big Ten being more attracted to Kansas.
Sure, there's the Kansas City market. MU can't deliver it. KC is a KU town. A KU hoops town. Also, you bring the Hawkers in for the same reason the Huskers were invited: KU brings a national brand to the Big Ten Network, in hoops, of course. But hoops is a point of pride in the league. Add Kansas and Syracuse? That's the No. 1 league in college hoops.
The Big Ten won't go after Oklahoma, because it brings along Oklahoma State in its luggage. Texas? No TV rating is worth that trouble. And then there's the Longhorn Network. Is that thing on yet?
:woot:
Congrats on the forthcoming big 10 invite.
Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 08:55:12 PM
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2011, 09:03:16 PM
Beems is going to laugh so hard at us when they get invited to the Big 10 and we end up in the MWC. He's just gonna sit back and have a good chuckle.
he will have earned it more than anyone has ever earned anything before ever
Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 09:05:42 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 15, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
*We rough ridin' got it the first time dipshit (Chingon)*
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 15, 2011, 09:32:23 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 09:34:24 PM
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2011, 09:41:02 PM
You know you're hitting the bottom of the barrel when you're using a guy who writes a blog in Chicago as your back up.
Nice work.
Oh wait, Frank used "Patrick" a "veteran TV insider".
You know, if you've been in business for very long, you can find a number of "veteran insiders" to say just about anything you want them to say, or what you want to hear, about any industry you can think of. I bet we could go out and find a whole bunch of un-named "veteran insiders" to say K-State would be a kick ass addition to any conference.
I know it hurts that KU is right on par with Notre Dame and Mizzou when it comes to adding additional conference revenue, but try not to be so damn butthurt about it, 'Pad. Worst case scenario for K-State is the Big East or a newly formed version of the Big 12. Keep your chin up.
Oh, my...
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
2. FakeSugarDick needs to stop posting asap.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 10:06:57 PM
Until we see someone that isn't an "unnamed media insider" on some obscure blog confirms it, no one on the planet thinks ku is on par with Notre Dame in terms of media value.
From another "unnamed media insider":
A few years ago before they had ku, 610 tried to get K-State, because K-State's TSL (time spent listening) numbers blew away ku's. According to this "unnamed media insider" ku's basketball only bandwagon fanbase provides more hits . . . but particularly during football , ku's TSL numbers suck ass. Apparently media buyers put a lot of emphasis on TSL numbers, and in the KC market K-State's TSL numbers are very strong.
Some other little tidbits gleaned from some simple Internet surfing. Apparently KC is on a trendline to drop from the 31st to the 32nd TV market in the United States, surpassed by . . . Columbus, OH. So congrats ku, for supposedly "dominating" a TV market on the decline.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 10:07:11 PM
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I know, no one likes these topics, but it's media figures like this that like to stir the pot and another instance of a KSU fan wanting to drag KU down with it.
Our favorite "broadcast journalist" at it again saying its the responsibility of the governor and the Kansas BoR to make sure KU and KSU stay together. No reason to split up the schools when they can both move to a BCS conference in the Big East even if KU gets an ACC or PAC offer.
Also said most people west of Topeka only care about the KU-KSU rivalry and they can't break it up.
:shakesfist:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 10:09:28 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 15, 2011, 10:12:52 PM
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I'd consider granting them tagalong rights in return for a 90/10 split of their conference revenue and an exclusive right to recruit the state of KS + the KC metro with regards to revenue sports. They can keep all rights to their equestrian recruiting base. I might go down as far as 75/25 on the revenue split.
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But what about soil judging? Can they keep all their soil judging revenue? And if they get a soil judging network will they be allowed to broadcast high school soil judging competition?
:comeatme:
Post by: jtksu on September 15, 2011, 10:15:25 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 15, 2011, 10:15:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2011, 10:23:28 PM
All we need now is a good basketball on football slap fight in Wescoe Hall and Nick Wright might as well go on sabbatical.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 15, 2011, 10:26:12 PM
Even Keegan doesn't think KU can go big 10.
Quote
OK, so the Jayhawks can’t go north and have reason not to want to go west.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/sep/14/big-east-best-bet-ku/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/sep/14/big-east-best-bet-ku/)
Post by: joda on September 15, 2011, 10:27:30 PM
Nobody wants only 30% of KC, that's like getting a 3some with 2 really fat chicks, sure it's a 3some, but you don't really want it. In all honesty MU is the only one of the KU/MU/KSU triangle that is worth something by themselves because they also bring in part of the St. Louis market and almost all of the rest of the state. It's not a matter of KU and KSU being tied together, it's that when these conferences really get down to who they want KU and KSU by themselves aren't worth very much, they either will want both or 1+MU. If a conference where to take KU by themselves, they're basically gambling that several things will happen 1) KSU ends up outside the BCS, 2) enough KSU fans will make KU their BCS team (they obviously don't know our tucks well) to grab at least 40-50% of KC 60+% of Wichita and 75+% of the rest of the state, 3) sometime in the next 20 years KU develops some semblance of a solid football program so they can capture the next couple generations in this area.
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2011, 10:47:59 PM
I've seen numbers skewed every which way indicating who "owns" the KC market, but in reality no one school brings a majority of the city. My personal observation of the town is it is about 30% each to KU and MU, 20% KSU (with the KSU number increasing slightly during fb season and the KU number dropping), 10% Iowa and Nebraska, and 10% to whichever game happens to be on while they're prepping their mullet for sunday.
Nobody wants only 30% of KC, that's like getting a 3some with 2 really fat chicks, sure it's a 3some, but you don't really want it. In all honesty MU is the only one of the KU/MU/KSU triangle that is worth something by themselves because they also bring in part of the St. Louis market and almost all of the rest of the state. It's not a matter of KU and KSU being tied together, it's that when these conferences really get down to who they want KU and KSU by themselves aren't worth very much, they either will want both or 1+MU. If a conference where to take KU by themselves, they're basically gambling that several things will happen 1) KSU ends up outside the BCS, 2) enough KSU fans will make KU their BCS team (they obviously don't know our tucks well) to grab at least 40-50% of KC 60+% of Wichita and 75+% of the rest of the state, 3) sometime in the next 20 years KU develops some semblance of a solid football program so they can capture the next couple generations in this area.
LOL that people think any conference gives two shits about the KC market. The only reason any conference is interested in adding either school is because they have decent BCS athletic programs. eff, some of you are clueless.
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 15, 2011, 11:36:31 PM
Post by: joda on September 15, 2011, 11:45:56 PM
I've seen numbers skewed every which way indicating who "owns" the KC market, but in reality no one school brings a majority of the city. My personal observation of the town is it is about 30% each to KU and MU, 20% KSU (with the KSU number increasing slightly during fb season and the KU number dropping), 10% Iowa and Nebraska, and 10% to whichever game happens to be on while they're prepping their mullet for sunday.
Nobody wants only 30% of KC, that's like getting a 3some with 2 really fat chicks, sure it's a 3some, but you don't really want it. In all honesty MU is the only one of the KU/MU/KSU triangle that is worth something by themselves because they also bring in part of the St. Louis market and almost all of the rest of the state. It's not a matter of KU and KSU being tied together, it's that when these conferences really get down to who they want KU and KSU by themselves aren't worth very much, they either will want both or 1+MU. If a conference where to take KU by themselves, they're basically gambling that several things will happen 1) KSU ends up outside the BCS, 2) enough KSU fans will make KU their BCS team (they obviously don't know our tucks well) to grab at least 40-50% of KC 60+% of Wichita and 75+% of the rest of the state, 3) sometime in the next 20 years KU develops some semblance of a solid football program so they can capture the next couple generations in this area.
LOL that people think any conference gives two shits about the KC market. The only reason any conference is interested in adding either school is because they have decent BCS athletic programs. eff, some of you are clueless.
The only reason they're interested in decent athletic programs is decent athletic programs=more tvs and since the KC market is the biggest one that either KState or KU has a share of that's what they're interested in, maybe not the city itself.
Post by: fatty fat fat on September 16, 2011, 12:23:27 AM
and be able to snuggle up with academic titans Oregon State, Arizona and Arizona State in the Pac-12.
I really hate how kstate fans do this btw. What on earth do you know about those schools to sarcastically refer to them as academic titans?
As for KU seperating from KSU....not sure why you think it will benefit KU. Having KSU light a fire under your asses helps.
So unless it's been a life long mission for KU alums/fans to demote KSU to a lesser conference, i'm not sure why all KU fans are so bent on KSU going MWC while KU staying BCS.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 12:38:59 AM
The issue is, it's ku and mu folks who run around talking about "academic fit" when their schools have done nothing but tumble down the academic ranking charts over the last 5 years . . . and yes I understand just how subjective academic rankings are as well.
Post by: michigancat on September 16, 2011, 06:18:52 AM
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You still need to face the harsh reality of any hope that your school has getting into a BCS conference is by riding the coattails of KU.
There is a reason why KU's name is at least thrown around as a candidate for multiple conferences and KSU's name is only mentioned when paired with KU. Did you not see that obvious fact? KSU is not even a little brother like OSU is to OU. They are a ******** cousin.
Personally, I want to ditch KSU because of fans like you and see your reaction when you realize that you are a liability to KU instead of a asset.
You are pretty much Missouri State. It's about time you are shown that.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 06:41:43 AM
I love these with all of my heart:QuoteYou still need to face the harsh reality of any hope that your school has getting into a BCS conference is by riding the coattails of KU.
There is a reason why KU's name is at least thrown around as a candidate for multiple conferences and KSU's name is only mentioned when paired with KU. Did you not see that obvious fact? KSU is not even a little brother like OSU is to OU. They are a ******** cousin.
Personally, I want to ditch KSU because of fans like you and see your reaction when you realize that you are a liability to KU instead of a asset.
You are pretty much Missouri State. It's about time you are shown that.
:lol:
Post by: mcmwcat on September 16, 2011, 07:00:24 AM
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2011, 07:00:56 AM
Quote from: cwobrien
Quote from: konzahawki am obviously no attorney, but what kind of legal recourse can be taken against the BOR if they decide to try and screw KU? I know the University of Kansas can't sue the BOR, but what about Kansas Athletics? Aren't they a private company? Also, what about a group of alums getting together? I would think that even the threat of a law suit would be enough to keep them out of this situation.Difficult road for any kind of legal action (taxpayer funded university, member of the BOR, etc.). KU would have to prove that the KSBOR screwed them financially and that they did so with intent (at least that is the best way I can explain it off of what I was told). Even then, no guarantee.
KU could always threaten to transition from a BOR school to a municipal university (funding would come from city/county property taxes instead of state money). They would be above any KSBOR action at that point and KU would actually have its own BOR. This is how Washburn is FWIW.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 16, 2011, 07:11:04 AM
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2011, 07:13:25 AM
BMW, you can't seriously read some of these gems and not think these dudes are batshit crazy. Impossible.see my sig. I'm sure he believes everything 100%
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 07:19:21 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 07:42:30 AM
When will articles like, "What will ku do?" "Will ku take Texas and OU with them" "ku has big decisions on its athletic future" start appearing by the truckload since the news is out and they're worth just as much as Notre Dame in the sports media market place??
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 08:17:00 AM
The ku radio network is comprised of 32 stations covering 1 major media market and the state of Kansas.
But hey, ku is worth the same in the media marketplace as Notre Dame.
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2011, 08:42:12 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on September 16, 2011, 09:02:25 AM
it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt. these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas. hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?What a lot of KSU fans miss in this discussion is that ku fans are using this as part of their longer-term agenda of eliminating K-State from the state of Kansas altogether. Their argument is that Kansas cannot support two large universities, and that all resources should be directed to ku. This would give them a lot more funding, and a lot less in-state embarrassment that comes with losing to K-State in collegiate athletics. What those fools don't seem to comprehend is the very different academic missions of the two schools. As a land grant university, K-State will promote agricultural education programs, as well as other technical degree programs not found widely in other institutions (dietetics, dairy science, evapo-transpiration studies). These are unique, and not widely taught, and make K-State MORE, not less valuable as an educational institution in the state of Kansas. ku is a more traditional university with a bias towards liberal arts and other educational missions found in every state in the country. In other words, K-State brings a lot to the table in producing better farmers, engineers, dieticians, etc. that ku simply can't match. As for ku's academic mission, apart from their med school, how many more insurance salesman and retail clerks does the state of Kansas actually need?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 09:09:58 AM
This is why they wailed and screamed and demanded that the Kansas Bio-Science authority help fund a Cancer research center when K-State got NBAF, and this is why they worked hard for awhile to stop K-State-Olathe, and then when the hand writing was on the wall demanded that they be made a part of that process.
Post by: mcmwcat on September 16, 2011, 09:18:30 AM
Post by: chum1 on September 16, 2011, 09:38:55 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on September 16, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
whats even better is that Beems has no concept of what kind of alumni base Notre Dame has. No concept of what kind of political and social power they have.
I was at a luncheon a week ago where Dan Hesse, CEO of Sprint, was the keynote. Anyway, he's a ND fan who got his undergrad there.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 10:39:50 AM
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I am confident of one thing: If the Gov and those with K-State interests have any ability to f*#k this up, they will, and they will take both schools down in the long run.
Forcing both of us to the Big East will only cause this issue to arise again within a year or two when the Big East inevitably dissolves. By that time the major players will have been settled and KU will be perceived as forever tied to little brother. THAT will screw KU and K-State will be left in the lurch as they should have been from the beginning.
So, in an attempt to put K-State in a place they don't belong, they will drag KU down to their level and kill both of us. Kansas politics at its best.
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I am confident of one thing: If the Gov and those with K-State interests have any ability to f*#k this up, they will, and they will take both schools down in the long run.
Forcing both of us to the Big East will only cause this issue to arise again within a year or two when the Big East inevitably dissolves. By that time the major players will have been settled and KU will be perceived as forever tied to little brother. THAT will screw KU and K-State will be left in the lurch as they should have been from the beginning.
So, in an attempt to put K-State in a place they don't belong, they will drag KU down to their level and kill both of us. Kansas politics at its best.
this also just happens to be the plot of the next James Bond movie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 10:42:58 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 16, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 16, 2011, 10:44:29 AM
QuoteSo, in an attempt to put K-State in a place they don't belong, they will drag KU down to their level and kill both of us.
I love the crap like this. Especially when we would clearly be their closest peer in whatever league we end up in.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt. these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas. hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?What a lot of KSU fans miss in this discussion is that ku fans are using this as part of their longer-term agenda of eliminating K-State from the state of Kansas altogether. Their argument is that Kansas cannot support two large universities, and that all resources should be directed to ku. This would give them a lot more funding, and a lot less in-state embarrassment that comes with losing to K-State in collegiate athletics. What those fools don't seem to comprehend is the very different academic missions of the two schools. As a land grant university, K-State will promote agricultural education programs, as well as other technical degree programs not found widely in other institutions (dietetics, dairy science, evapo-transpiration studies). These are unique, and not widely taught, and make K-State MORE, not less valuable as an educational institution in the state of Kansas. ku is a more traditional university with a bias towards liberal arts and other educational missions found in every state in the country. In other words, K-State brings a lot to the table in producing better farmers, engineers, dieticians, etc. that ku simply can't match. As for ku's academic mission, apart from their med school, how many more insurance salesman and retail clerks does the state of Kansas actually need?
That sounds so goddam elite I had to bold it
Post by: deputy dawg on September 16, 2011, 11:24:57 AM
K-State is the worldwide leading academic institution on the study of evaporation and transpiration water transport in plants. May not sound important, but since agricultural irrigation is the single largest consumer of water in the world, this field of research is critical in helping resolve world water crises.it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt. these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas. hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?What a lot of KSU fans miss in this discussion is that ku fans are using this as part of their longer-term agenda of eliminating K-State from the state of Kansas altogether. Their argument is that Kansas cannot support two large universities, and that all resources should be directed to ku. This would give them a lot more funding, and a lot less in-state embarrassment that comes with losing to K-State in collegiate athletics. What those fools don't seem to comprehend is the very different academic missions of the two schools. As a land grant university, K-State will promote agricultural education programs, as well as other technical degree programs not found widely in other institutions (dietetics, dairy science, evapo-transpiration studies). These are unique, and not widely taught, and make K-State MORE, not less valuable as an educational institution in the state of Kansas. ku is a more traditional university with a bias towards liberal arts and other educational missions found in every state in the country. In other words, K-State brings a lot to the table in producing better farmers, engineers, dieticians, etc. that ku simply can't match. As for ku's academic mission, apart from their med school, how many more insurance salesman and retail clerks does the state of Kansas actually need?
That sounds so goddam elite I had to bold it
Surprised that more people don't understand just how generic ku is in terms of academic studies.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2011, 11:33:01 AM
K-State is the worldwide leading academic institution on the study of evaporation and transpiration water transport in plants. May not sound important, but since agricultural irrigation is the single largest consumer of water in the world, this field of research is critical in helping resolve world water crises.it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt. these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas. hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?What a lot of KSU fans miss in this discussion is that ku fans are using this as part of their longer-term agenda of eliminating K-State from the state of Kansas altogether. Their argument is that Kansas cannot support two large universities, and that all resources should be directed to ku. This would give them a lot more funding, and a lot less in-state embarrassment that comes with losing to K-State in collegiate athletics. What those fools don't seem to comprehend is the very different academic missions of the two schools. As a land grant university, K-State will promote agricultural education programs, as well as other technical degree programs not found widely in other institutions (dietetics, dairy science, evapo-transpiration studies). These are unique, and not widely taught, and make K-State MORE, not less valuable as an educational institution in the state of Kansas. ku is a more traditional university with a bias towards liberal arts and other educational missions found in every state in the country. In other words, K-State brings a lot to the table in producing better farmers, engineers, dieticians, etc. that ku simply can't match. As for ku's academic mission, apart from their med school, how many more insurance salesman and retail clerks does the state of Kansas actually need?
That sounds so goddam elite I had to bold it
Surprised that more people don't understand just how generic ku is in terms of academic studies.
I was not making fun. It is elite as crap.
Lots of people know ku churns out worthless marketing or business degrees by the thousands.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 11:38:59 AM
-Ahearn Fieldhouse . . . was the reason there's an Allen Fieldhouse.
-Vanier Football Complex . . . is the reason there's a Kivisto/Anderson Football Building.
-K-State doing something in football . . . is pretty much the ONLY reason ku even hinted at giving an eff about Football.
My gawd, K-State has been the inspiration for damn near everything that ku athletics has . . . they didn't wake up one day and say, "dang, let's copy little crackerbox Brewer Fieldhouse at MU".
Post by: pike on September 16, 2011, 11:43:55 AM
K-State is the worldwide leading academic institution on the study of evaporation and transpiration water transport in plants. May not sound important, but since agricultural irrigation is the single largest consumer of water in the world, this field of research is critical in helping resolve world water crises.it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt. these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas. hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?What a lot of KSU fans miss in this discussion is that ku fans are using this as part of their longer-term agenda of eliminating K-State from the state of Kansas altogether. Their argument is that Kansas cannot support two large universities, and that all resources should be directed to ku. This would give them a lot more funding, and a lot less in-state embarrassment that comes with losing to K-State in collegiate athletics. What those fools don't seem to comprehend is the very different academic missions of the two schools. As a land grant university, K-State will promote agricultural education programs, as well as other technical degree programs not found widely in other institutions (dietetics, dairy science, evapo-transpiration studies). These are unique, and not widely taught, and make K-State MORE, not less valuable as an educational institution in the state of Kansas. ku is a more traditional university with a bias towards liberal arts and other educational missions found in every state in the country. In other words, K-State brings a lot to the table in producing better farmers, engineers, dieticians, etc. that ku simply can't match. As for ku's academic mission, apart from their med school, how many more insurance salesman and retail clerks does the state of Kansas actually need?
That sounds so goddam elite I had to bold it
Surprised that more people don't understand just how generic ku is in terms of academic studies.
grain science, food science, etc
Post by: kougar24 on September 16, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Post by: chum1 on September 16, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Post by: theKSU on September 16, 2011, 12:07:28 PM
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OU is a great program all around. No issue with the people from Oklahoma either. If OU wants out then I hope they do the classy thing and make the move as quick and as painless as possible. So that way KU can make its move. For all you haters- I have it on good word that KU is not going to sit idly by and go down with a sinking ship. We have the endowment, the AAU accrediatation, a resurgent football program, and a powerhouse basketball program. In short, we have the golden ticket. I'm fine with the PAC, Big Ten, or Big East. I still stand by my previous statement that we also have the stones to be an independent in basketball with no conference affiliation. I believe if push comes to shove that we can do this and still be a member of a lesser conference in football. I also don't buy the argument that we are inseperably linked to K-State, nor that we have any need for Missouri. Happy Friday~
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Listen here folks, the B12 is a dead dog. Ol' Yeller got the rabbis and done got shot by Opie. Let's just let our bad breathed, bucked tooth Texas and Oklahoma cousins go slobber on each other somewhere else. Might be good for them to go hangout with the P12 hippies and get some culture under their belts.
KU and KState will land in a respectable conference, even if it isn't BCS. They'll even have a chance to work themselves back to the BCS over the next ten to twenty years.
MIZZOU will be picked up immediately by a top conference, so maybe they can put a good word in for the others looking for homes.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 16, 2011, 12:08:29 PM
it's crazy. they're dripping wet with their elite-ness yet can't rise above the purple cloud over their head. :lol:
Post by: bakerman on September 16, 2011, 12:18:46 PM
Grain science grads pretty much name their price upon entering the workforce.
:gocho:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 12:35:24 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 16, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
Kietzman update courtesy of phog:QuoteI know, no one likes these topics, but it's media figures like this that like to stir the pot and another instance of a KSU fan wanting to drag KU down with it.
Our favorite "broadcast journalist" at it again saying its the responsibility of the governor and the Kansas BoR to make sure KU and KSU stay together. No reason to split up the schools when they can both move to a BCS conference in the Big East even if KU gets an ACC or PAC offer.
Also said most people west of Topeka only care about the KU-KSU rivalry and they can't break it up.
:shakesfist:
sucks that ku doesn't have the ability to shake off the BITB shackles. i mean, he is so powerful he can hold down entire universities all by himself.
Post by: mcmwcat on September 16, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
this thread went from ku's butthurt to butthurt about ku real fast
my admission of butthurt comes only from the realization that Jayhawks hate the state of Kansas with what is turning into a passion.
Post by: babytears on September 16, 2011, 12:50:07 PM
Post by: pike on September 16, 2011, 12:51:09 PM
They can only live vicariously through Stanford for so long
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 01:09:39 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 01:14:26 PM
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
:comeatme:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: 0.42 on September 16, 2011, 01:17:46 PM
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 16, 2011, 01:18:10 PM
By the way, this thread is giving Butthurt State a whole new meaning.
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Post by: kstater on September 16, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
A couple gems from the KC Star:
Listen here folks, the B12 is a dead dog. Ol' Yeller got the rabbis
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Post by: deputy dawg on September 16, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 16, 2011, 01:27:18 PM
"i read today that the main reason baylor threatened a lawsuit is because they have already sunk a large portion of the potential tv money into a new stadium and iowa state and kstate are in the same boat (being that they have spent the money before they got it) anybody know anything on that? "
Luke-KSU will have a link for you here in a couple of days I bet.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2011, 01:28:55 PM
"i read today that the main reason baylor threatened a lawsuit is because they have already sunk a large portion of the potential tv money into a new stadium and iowa state and kstate are in the same boat (being that they have spent the money before they got it) anybody know anything on that? "
Do ku fans not understand they are pretty deep in debt?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 01:31:39 PM
It's good to see the Little Validation Train that Could is back on the board today . . . welcome.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 16, 2011, 01:39:58 PM
K-State hasn't floated any debt for stadium improvements . . . yet.
It's good to see the Little Validation Train that Could is back on the board today . . . welcome.
I'm kinda pissed at Andy Katz for including K-State in that article. Including Lannou's comments about "budgeting improvements" after the TV deal was signed was misleading. He failed to mention that the improvements didn't require the use of future revenue from the new TV deal.
Post by: bws on September 16, 2011, 01:46:07 PM
"Every piece of expansion that has taken place over the last 20 years has been about football, period. Nothing else," said former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese. "Even with an incredible basketball program like Kansas, that's basically an add-on."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/09/16/Kansas.Big.12/index.html#ixzz1Y8swEoe1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/09/16/Kansas.Big.12/index.html#ixzz1Y8swEoe1)
Wait, I thought they had numerous options last year? But remember the Orange Bowl? Larry Scott's jet was on the way...
Post by: kougar24 on September 16, 2011, 01:46:08 PM
K-State hasn't floated any debt for stadium improvements . . . yet.
It's good to see the Little Validation Train that Could is back on the board today . . . welcome.
I'm kinda pissed at Andy Katz for including K-State in that article. Including Lannou's comments about "budgeting improvements" after the TV deal was signed was misleading. He failed to mention that the improvements didn't require the use of future revenue from the new TV deal.
Angry email time!
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
"We had talks with other schools, but we were never offered the opportunity to go to another conference," he said. "I thought our basketball would drive us a little bit more, but I wasn't angry about it or even disappointed. It just reinforced the importance of football."
"Every piece of expansion that has taken place over the last 20 years has been about football, period. Nothing else," said former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese. "Even with an incredible basketball program like Kansas, that's basically an add-on."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/09/16/Kansas.Big.12/index.html#ixzz1Y8swEoe1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/09/16/Kansas.Big.12/index.html#ixzz1Y8swEoe1)
Wait, I thought they had numerous options last year? But remember the Orange Bowl? Larry Scott's jet was on the way...
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 01:58:38 PM
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: wabash909 on September 16, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
Apparently none of those conferences know Patrick-Longtime Television Insider. If they did, they would know that ku is worth just as much as Notre Dame to their conference. They should get to know Patrick, he's an insider. BTW, Davis is quoting Lew Perkins, one time greatest athletic director in the world and builder of a "Monster" at ku."We had talks with other schools, but we were never offered the opportunity to go to another conference," he said. "I thought our basketball would drive us a little bit more, but I wasn't angry about it or even disappointed. It just reinforced the importance of football."
"Every piece of expansion that has taken place over the last 20 years has been about football, period. Nothing else," said former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese. "Even with an incredible basketball program like Kansas, that's basically an add-on."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/09/16/Kansas.Big.12/index.html#ixzz1Y8swEoe1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/09/16/Kansas.Big.12/index.html#ixzz1Y8swEoe1)
Wait, I thought they had numerous options last year? But remember the Orange Bowl? Larry Scott's jet was on the way...
Lol.
Good job, Dax. You just clown suited that mongoloid.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 16, 2011, 02:01:21 PM
LEW !
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 02:03:21 PM
To Lew Perkins . . . :drink:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 02:06:19 PM
Beems, we love Lew, he gave ku some short lived glory, piled up a mountain of debt and walked out the door virtually unscathed by one of the biggest scandals in college sports with millions of dollars of ku's money and athletic equipment in his pocket and storage shed.
To Lew Perkins . . . :drink:
We love Lew as well. He upgraded our athletic facilities and brought us an unprecedented level of success in both men's basketball and football. The only other school to win a national title and BCS Bowl in the same season is Florida.
To Lew Perkins! :drink:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 02:10:12 PM
Grats Beems . . . of course on the football side that was followed by one of the biggest 2 year free falls in college football history, a fired coach, money from a defrocked former CEO, and 4 or 5 athletic department employees going to Federal Prison.
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To Lew Perkins! :cheers:
Post by: pike on September 16, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
Leaving ku athletics needing every dollars of instituational support and student fees in order avoid finishing the 2009-2010 academic year out of the red.
Net Profits by Athletic Department, 2009-2010
Texas: $29,603,034
Kansas: $11,687,378
Kansas State: $11,099,094
Oklahoma: $10,121,904
Oklahoma State: $5,402,887
Nebraska: $5,029,604
Texas Tech: $4,898,394
Texas A & M: $2,675,650
Missouri: $2,505,575
Colorado: $930,604
Iowa State: $215,540
Baylor: $0
To Lew Perkins! :drink:
Post by: wabash909 on September 16, 2011, 02:15:02 PM
What a bitter pill to swallow for both Kansas schools. Good thing we've got our brother's shoulder to cry on and vice versa.
Post by: ben ji on September 16, 2011, 02:35:42 PM
K-State would change the name of their university to Lew Perkins State if he had brought you guys a national championship and a BCS Bowl. God, I love it.
:love: :love: :love:
Would kill a drifter for this so yes, i guess I'd be okay with them renaming the university in his honor and me staying out of jail.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 02:40:57 PM
Kansas
Revenue: $70.548 million
Expenses:$69.241 million
Post by: OK_Cat on September 16, 2011, 02:42:02 PM
2009-2010 NCAA Financial Report (USA Today-From the NCAA):
Kansas
Revenue: $70.548 million
Expenses:$69.241 million
NOTRE DAME
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 02:54:09 PM
Quote
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
When the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts... or in this case, just flat-out deny everything.
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 03:05:38 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 16, 2011, 03:06:44 PM
:love:
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 03:08:40 PM
ku: 3 Regionally broadcast football games (TV). Also broadcast on 32 radio stations in Kansas covering 1 of the Top 35 media markets in the United States. 350,000 alumni.
(FYI . . . on the radio side ku and Notre Dame use the same partner, I wonder why they couldn't sell ku in the same markets Notre Dame is in?)
Conference Media Value: Equal (Per Patrick-Television Insider via Frank the Tank Blog).
:lol:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:09:50 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on September 16, 2011, 03:12:05 PM
K-State would change the name of their university to Lew Perkins State if he had brought you guys a national championship and a BCS Bowl. God, I love it.
:love: :love: :love:
Would kill a drifter for this so yes, i guess I'd be okay with them renaming the university in his honor and me staying out of jail.
Would take. Every Man A Lew Perkins :love:
Post by: 0.42 on September 16, 2011, 03:14:06 PM
Wow. Seth Davis says KU and K-State inseparably attached at the hip and both clinging to the same life raft.
What a bitter pill to swallow for both Kansas schools. Good thing we've got our brother's shoulder to cry on and vice versa.
TEAM STATE CONFERENCE
Post by: pike on September 16, 2011, 03:14:17 PM
Notre Dame: All but one football game broadcast nationally (TV) on ESPN/ABC/NBC. Football games broadcast (Radio) on 150 stations in 30 states and in 33 of the top 35 media markets in the United States. 78.7 million Catholics in the United States.
ku: 3 Regionally broadcast football games (TV). Also broadcast on 32 radio stations in Kansas covering 1 of the Top 35 media markets in the United States. 350,000 alumni.
(FYI . . . on the radio side ku and Notre Dame use the same partner, I wonder why they couldn't sell ku in the same markets Notre Dame is in?)
Conference Media Value: Equal (Per Patrick-Television Insider via Frank the Tank Blog).
:lol:
Well, given this info we can easily say KU = ND
Post by: 0.42 on September 16, 2011, 03:15:34 PM
What I don't think you guys understand about those numbers is they're estimated ADDED REVENUE to a specific conference. Notre Dame brings in a lot of TV revenue for themselves, but that would likely change if they went from being an Independent to sharing revenue within a conference like the Big 10. Hell, KU football has more recent success than Notre Dame does.
TSC, Friend. TSC :cheers:
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 16, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
What I don't think you guys understand about those numbers is they're estimated ADDED REVENUE to a specific conference. Notre Dame brings in a lot of TV revenue for themselves, but that would likely change if they went from being an Independent to sharing revenue within a conference like the Big 10. Hell, KU football has more recent success than Notre Dame does.
2010:
Notre Dame - 8-5, Sun Bowl in which they beat Miami 33-17
KU - 3-9, 1-7 in conference play, Sunflower Showdown in which they lost to Kansas State 59-7
2009:
Notre Dame - 6-6
KU - 5-7, 1-7 in conference play
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
Translation: Nobody was interested. Multiple conferences would shoot off their testicles to have Notre Dame, so why wouldn't they want a school that according to Patrick-Television Insider basically brings the same revenue numbers?? :lol:
Post by: CNS on September 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
The circle jerk over Notre Dame is just priceless. The same Notre Dame that hasn't won a national title since '88 and up until recently had a bowl losing streak of nine games. This isn't 1974, fellas. Schools like Texas, Ohio State, and Florida eclipsed Notre Dame a long time ago.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Who is talking about NC's? I thought this was about rev?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 03:22:48 PM
The circle jerk over Notre Dame is just priceless. The same Notre Dame that hasn't won a national title since '88 and up until recently had a bowl losing streak of nine games. This isn't 1974, fellas. Schools like Texas, Ohio State, and Florida eclipsed Notre Dame a long time ago.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yet 11 of their 12 football games are slated for national broadcast and they are on the radio in 32 more major media markets than ku is. :lol:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
What I don't think you guys understand about those numbers is they're estimated ADDED REVENUE to a specific conference. Notre Dame brings in a lot of TV revenue for themselves, but that would likely change if they went from being an Independent to sharing revenue within a conference like the Big 10. Hell, KU football has more recent success than Notre Dame does.
2010:
Notre Dame - 8-5, Sun Bowl in which they beat Miami 33-17
KU - 3-9, 1-7 in conference play, Sunflower Showdown in which they lost to Kansas State 59-7
2009:
Notre Dame - 6-6
KU - 5-7, 1-7 in conference play
Wow... 8-5 and 6-6 in the past two years. KU has a 12-1, top 10, Orange Bowl season along with an 8-5 Insight Bowl season just in the past four years. Notre Dame has never even won a BCS Bowl. Like I said, more recent success.
:rolleyes:
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 16, 2011, 03:23:50 PM
If ku were to bring that much added revenue than you would think conferences would be begging ku to join them, but what was that the Lew Perkins told Seth Davis again, "We had talks with other schools, but we were never offered the opportunity to go to another conference," he said. "I thought our basketball would drive us a little bit more, but I wasn't angry about it or even disappointed. It just reinforced the importance of football."
Translation: Nobody was interested. Multiple conferences would shoot off their testicles to have Notre Dame, so why wouldn't they want a school that according to Patrick-Television Insider basically brings the same revenue numbers?? :lol:
Don't use logic on Ben. He literally can not comprehend it.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 16, 2011, 03:24:52 PM
What I don't think you guys understand about those numbers is they're estimated ADDED REVENUE to a specific conference. Notre Dame brings in a lot of TV revenue for themselves, but that would likely change if they went from being an Independent to sharing revenue within a conference like the Big 10. Hell, KU football has more recent success than Notre Dame does.
2010:
Notre Dame - 8-5, Sun Bowl in which they beat Miami 33-17
KU - 3-9, 1-7 in conference play, Sunflower Showdown in which they lost to Kansas State 59-7
2009:
Notre Dame - 6-6
KU - 5-7, 1-7 in conference play
Wow... 8-5 and 6-6 in the past two years. KU has a 12-1, top 10, Orange Bowl season along with an 8-5 Insight Bowl season just in the past four years. Notre Dame has never even won a BCS Bowl. Like I said, more recent success.
:rolleyes:
They've won 6 games more than KU in the past two years, but you guys have more success?
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:28:00 PM
If ku were to bring that much added revenue than you would think conferences would be begging ku to join them, but what was that the Lew Perkins told Seth Davis again, "We had talks with other schools, but we were never offered the opportunity to go to another conference," he said. "I thought our basketball would drive us a little bit more, but I wasn't angry about it or even disappointed. It just reinforced the importance of football."
Translation: Nobody was interested. Multiple conferences would shoot off their testicles to have Notre Dame, so why wouldn't they want a school that according to Patrick-Television Insider basically brings the same revenue numbers?? :lol:
The Big East already has a spot reserved for KU (and K-State) and is having wet dreams over the prospect of increasing their football revenue and becoming an even more dominant powerhouse in men's basketball.
The Pac 12 and ACC have both been in contact with KU and could quite possibly end up adding KU if the dominoes fall right.
On top of that, no other conference is going to come out and specifically start naming the schools that they're interested in. The only school that is officially in the process of changing conferences is A&M. Everything else has been pure speculation and rumors, and KU has had plenty of discussion lately in that regard.
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Post by: CNS on September 16, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
The circle jerk over Notre Dame is just priceless. The same Notre Dame that hasn't won a national title since '88 and up until recently had a bowl losing streak of nine games. This isn't 1974, fellas. Schools like Texas, Ohio State, and Florida eclipsed Notre Dame a long time ago.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yet 11 of their 12 football games are slated for national broadcast and they are on the radio in 32 more major media markets than ku is. :lol:
And again, all of that money doesn't go to the conference. A lot of it goes directly to Notre Dame. This is about adding conference revenue.
:facepalm:
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 03:31:32 PM
Schools like Texas, Ohio State, and Florida eclipsed Notre Dame a long time ago.
And ku is flying damn close to the sun.
Post by: mcmwcat on September 16, 2011, 03:31:50 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:31:58 PM
What I don't think you guys understand about those numbers is they're estimated ADDED REVENUE to a specific conference. Notre Dame brings in a lot of TV revenue for themselves, but that would likely change if they went from being an Independent to sharing revenue within a conference like the Big 10. Hell, KU football has more recent success than Notre Dame does.
2010:
Notre Dame - 8-5, Sun Bowl in which they beat Miami 33-17
KU - 3-9, 1-7 in conference play, Sunflower Showdown in which they lost to Kansas State 59-7
2009:
Notre Dame - 6-6
KU - 5-7, 1-7 in conference play
Wow... 8-5 and 6-6 in the past two years. KU has a 12-1, top 10, Orange Bowl season along with an 8-5 Insight Bowl season just in the past four years. Notre Dame has never even won a BCS Bowl. Like I said, more recent success.
:rolleyes:
They've won 6 games more than KU in the past two years, but you guys have more success?
Yes, KU has more recent success than Notre Dame. An Orange Bowl in '07 and an Insight Bowl in '08.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
Schools like Texas, Ohio State, and Florida eclipsed Notre Dame a long time ago.
And ku is flying damn close to the sun.
One good year in football put us 11th nationally in total revenue.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
ku filled their stadium every bit as much if not moreso the following year Beems and gross revenues plummeted $17 million dollars. This is not hard.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
So in essence Ben, a re-structured media deal between a conference and Notre Dame could be absolutely off the charts, dwarfing Patrick-Longtime TV Insider's estimates.
ku filled their stadium every bit as much if not moreso the following year Beems and gross revenues plummeted $17 million dollars. This is not hard.
This covers a five year period, 'Pad:
Institution Name Grand Total Revenue Grand Total Expenses Profit
Texas $605,108,282 $500,783,830 $104,324,452
Ohio State $575,074,569 $516,982,310 $58,092,259
Florida $521,026,679 $475,216,193 $45,810,486
Michigan $475,418,749 $376,093,582 $99,325,167
Alabama $472,696,121 $374,990,279 $97,705,842
Tennessee $447,299,149 $435,339,648 $11,959,501
Penn State $441,004,474 $378,106,020 $62,898,454
Wisconsin $438,714,947 $413,421,089 $25,293,858
Louisiana State $435,601,796 $407,465,214 $28,136,582
Auburn $418,904,026 $376,841,279 $42,062,747
Notre Dame $417,065,007 $313,623,490 $103,441,517
Georgia $408,680,608 $343,635,239 $65,045,369
Iowa $396,206,849 $344,731,540 $51,475,309
Oklahoma $391,200,150 $380,479,633 $10,720,517
USC $374,128,429 $374,128,429 $0
Michigan State $373,348,695 $321,539,458 $51,809,237
Virginia $371,891,285 $357,475,801 $14,415,484
Texas A&M $359,862,009 $342,419,076 $17,442,933
Stanford $359,261,704 $356,038,374 $3,223,330
Nebraska $359,089,969 $332,714,925 $26,375,044
Kansas $356,685,528 $297,351,141 $59,334,387
Kentucky $340,638,906 $327,047,572 $13,591,334
South Carolina $336,434,820 $328,674,789 $7,760,031
Minnesota $329,448,928 $322,970,257 $6,478,671
Oklahoma State $326,238,178 $273,959,017 $52,279,161
California $319,553,483 $319,502,736 $50,747
Arkansas $317,472,840 $304,516,585 $12,956,255
North Carolina $311,318,829 $310,322,260 $996,569
UCLA $307,518,115 $307,501,197 $16,918
Duke $305,442,709 $304,180,138 $1,262,571
Boston College $300,446,948 $295,093,893 $5,353,055
Washington $297,429,491 $279,371,129 $18,058,362
Purdue $289,997,727 $277,327,048 $12,670,679
Oregon $287,925,483 $276,292,935 $11,632,548
Virginia Tech $281,014,390 $252,140,462 $28,873,928
Clemson $278,773,748 $265,776,203 $12,997,545
Florida State $278,057,903 $271,387,906 $6,669,997
Louisville $276,626,938 $263,116,665 $13,510,273
Connecticut $274,438,065 $274,159,199 $278,866
Illinois $272,272,142 $244,345,811 $27,926,331
West Virginia $268,839,229 $240,910,022 $27,929,207
Indiana $268,489,651 $247,066,702 $21,422,949
Arizona State $265,675,468 $263,293,925 $2,381,543
Missouri $256,386,080 $251,401,330 $4,984,750
Miami (FL) $255,735,910 $242,972,602 $12,763,308
Rutgers $245,105,184 $244,719,877 $385,307
Texas Tech $244,451,812 $228,964,729 $15,487,083
Colorado $241,239,561 $230,601,450 $10,638,111
Arizona $240,762,291 $230,260,937 $10,501,354
Kansas State $239,718,709 $202,264,641 $37,454,068
Syracuse $237,755,312 $231,115,007 $6,640,305
Georgia Tech $236,123,569 $234,657,630 $1,465,939
Oregon State $232,407,604 $229,464,206 $2,943,398
Baylor $223,543,720 $223,543,720 $0
North Carolina State $223,022,563 $218,020,914 $5,001,649
Vanderbilt $220,415,601 $214,755,898 $5,659,703
:facepalm:
Post by: mcmwcat on September 16, 2011, 03:39:53 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:42:37 PM
this is like one of those coverups is worse than the crime situations. just admitting the mistake (ND = KU) instead of trying to rationalize the initial claim (ctrl+c - ctrl+v over and over again)would be much more beneficial to all parties. we can move on and discuss what are the best ways ku and ksu can move forward together.
Again, no one is saying KU = ND when it comes to football. The statistics from the study merely showed estimated added revenue to a specific conference. You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 16, 2011, 03:45:28 PM
Post by: CatsNShocks on September 16, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 03:47:02 PM
Oh yeah, speaking of that 5 year period, Notre Dame's Net Profits were DOUBLE ku's, while ku's were only $22 million more than K-State, and I doubt Notre Dame counts capital giving and athletic endowment giving as revenue.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
So what Beems . . . what does a five year period have to do with a year over year drop of $17 million dollars in revenue?? ku hit $87 million dollars 3 Fiscal Years ago and hasn't come close since. If ku had come close since, there would be a new Gridiron Club . . . but we all know what happened there.
KU wants to use private funding on the Gridiron Club, and right now the economy is killing consumer spending. No one is donating right now. Even T. Boone Pickens has had to scale back on his contributions to Oklahoma State.
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2011, 03:53:06 PM
JFCthis is like one of those coverups is worse than the crime situations. just admitting the mistake (ND = KU) instead of trying to rationalize the initial claim (ctrl+c - ctrl+v over and over again)would be much more beneficial to all parties. we can move on and discuss what are the best ways ku and ksu can move forward together.
Again, no one is saying KU = ND when it comes to football. The statistics from the study merely showed estimated added revenue to a specific conference. You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Dear Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):
Here are your "statistics" again. Straight from Frank the Tanks ass.
you simple crap do you even fact check the crap you are getting from these blogs?
Candidates Potential New Cable Carry Cable Ad Increase Est. Increase In Est. Added Revenue Total Added Revenue
Households Increase New Market Current Footprint Increased Games BTN Estimate
Texas 7,501,000 $32,404,320 $33,063,884 $25,900,800 $10,000,000 $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC 7,493,000 $32,369,760 $12,855,921 $12,572,928 $10,000,000 $67,798,609
Nebraska 1,275,000 $5,508,000 $16,992,662 $21,987,328 $10,000,000 $54,487,990
Maryland 3,586,000 $15,491,520 $13,947,657 $11,379,712 $10,000,000 $50,818,889
Boston College 3,291,000 $14,217,120 $15,022,276 $9,143,296 $10,000,000 $48,382,692
Notre Dame n/a n/a $16,945,735 $20,683,520 $10,000,000 $47,629,255
Kansas 1,728,000 $7,464,960 $15,906,396 $12,948,736 $10,000,000 $46,320,092
Missouri 1,542,000 $6,661,440 $12,825,299 $16,414,720 $10,000,000 $45,901,459
Syracuse 2,600,000 $11,232,000 $12,277,805 $9,995,008 $10,000,000 $43,504,813
Connecticut 1,010,000 $4,363,200 $13,930,447 $9,786,624 $10,000,000 $38,080,271
Pittsburgh n/a n/a 10,682,999 $13,682,176 $10,000,000 $34,365,175
Iowa State n/a n/a $9,993,125 $11,837,952 $10,000,000 $31,831,077
Syracuse WITH NYC 10,093,000 $43,601,760 $12,277,805 $9,995,008 $10,000,000 $65,874,573
Post by: bakerman on September 16, 2011, 03:53:22 PM
... You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:54:32 PM
Oh yeah, speaking of that 5 year period, Notre Dame's Net Profits were DOUBLE ku's, while ku's were only $22 million more than K-State, and I doubt Notre Dame counts capital giving and athletic endowment giving as revenue.
Yeah... Revenue - Expenses = Profits
KU spent a lot of money upgrading athletic facilities over the past five years. New football complex, new basketball practice facility, upgrades to AFH, upgrades to the adjoining athletic offices surrounding AFH, upgrades to the baseball stadium, a new baseball clubhouse, a new rowing clubhouse, a new softball stadium, new scoreboard at Memorial, etc, etc.
Post by: bakerman on September 16, 2011, 03:54:53 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
... You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.
Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?
Post by: _33 on September 16, 2011, 03:55:55 PM
Post by: bakerman on September 16, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
... You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.
Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?
Academics/UNC/already being there :dunno:
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 03:56:36 PM
Quote
"They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketball."
Skinny Benny, am I crazy or this sentence end in a weird/incorrect way?
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:57:08 PM
Wasn't a large portion of our new basketball facility funded by private donations?
KU's new hall of athletics was funded entirely by the Booth family.
Post by: bakerman on September 16, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
Quote"They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketbally."
Skinny Benny, am I crazy or this sentence end in a weird/incorrect way?
fixed
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 03:58:36 PM
... You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.
Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?
Academics/UNC/already being there :dunno:
I have been assured by the resident hayseeds that academics don't matter at all. See: KU's AAU membership. Next.
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
Quote"They would love to have Kansas, academically and basketbally."
Skinny Benny, am I crazy or this sentence end in a weird/incorrect way?
fixed
I knew it!
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 03:59:03 PM
Post by: bakerman on September 16, 2011, 04:00:00 PM
... You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.
Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?
Academics/UNC/already being there :dunno:
I have been assured by the resident hayseeds that academics don't matter at all. See: KU's AAU membership. Next.
KU's academics =/= Duke's academics
KU would not raise the conference GPA the same way a Duke/Vanderbilt does for the ACC/SEC
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 04:01:01 PM
Quote
KU wants to use private funding on the Gridiron Club, and right now the economy is killing consumer spending. No one is donating right now. Even T. Boone Pickens has had to scale back on his contributions to Oklahoma State.
The only reason T. Boone Pickens had "scale back" his contributions to OSU was because they lost all of his original massive donation in his energy fund, he still covered every dime of their massive stadium project and now they're building a $21 million dollar privately funded indoor practice facility.
Post by: _33 on September 16, 2011, 04:02:01 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on September 16, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
... You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits.
Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.
Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?
Academics/UNC/already being there :dunno:
I have been assured by the resident hayseeds that academics don't matter at all. See: KU's AAU membership. Next.
First, it was "KU = NOTRE DAME"
now it's "KU ACADEMICS = DUKE ACADEMICS"
:lol:
Post by: BMWWcat on September 16, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
What is the bond amount that they still owe on all of that?
Post by: deputy dawg on September 16, 2011, 04:07:51 PM
Still, it's crazy for the Purples to claim any kind of historical dominance or even parity with KU in conference play."
Someone help me out here. I know Baylor has the worst Big 12 football record. Is ku the next worst, or is Iowa State the next worst?
I read somewhere that K-State was 3rd best in conference wins in Big 12 play. Does that mean we are on par with ku? 3rd worst = 3rd best?
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 04:11:41 PM
Post by: CNS on September 16, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
Irrelevant to realignment.
Post by: OK_Cat on September 16, 2011, 04:14:56 PM
How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
as many as aTm, and they're going to the SEC.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 04:15:21 PM
Notre Dame: $64.1 Million
ku: $16.2 million
The Little Validation Engine is trying to change the subject again.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 04:47:06 PM
SMH
So in essence Ben, a re-structured media deal between a conference and Notre Dame could be absolutely off the charts, dwarfing Patrick-Longtime TV Insider's estimates.
ku filled their stadium every bit as much if not moreso the following year Beems and gross revenues plummeted $17 million dollars. This is not hard.
This covers a five year period, 'Pad:
Institution Name Grand Total Revenue Grand Total Expenses Profit
Texas $605,108,282 $500,783,830 $104,324,452
Ohio State $575,074,569 $516,982,310 $58,092,259
Florida $521,026,679 $475,216,193 $45,810,486
Michigan $475,418,749 $376,093,582 $99,325,167
Alabama $472,696,121 $374,990,279 $97,705,842
Tennessee $447,299,149 $435,339,648 $11,959,501
Penn State $441,004,474 $378,106,020 $62,898,454
Wisconsin $438,714,947 $413,421,089 $25,293,858
Louisiana State $435,601,796 $407,465,214 $28,136,582
Auburn $418,904,026 $376,841,279 $42,062,747
Notre Dame $417,065,007 $313,623,490 $103,441,517
Georgia $408,680,608 $343,635,239 $65,045,369
Iowa $396,206,849 $344,731,540 $51,475,309
Oklahoma $391,200,150 $380,479,633 $10,720,517
USC $374,128,429 $374,128,429 $0
Michigan State $373,348,695 $321,539,458 $51,809,237
Virginia $371,891,285 $357,475,801 $14,415,484
Texas A&M $359,862,009 $342,419,076 $17,442,933
Stanford $359,261,704 $356,038,374 $3,223,330
Nebraska $359,089,969 $332,714,925 $26,375,044
Kansas $356,685,528 $297,351,141 $59,334,387
Kentucky $340,638,906 $327,047,572 $13,591,334
South Carolina $336,434,820 $328,674,789 $7,760,031
Minnesota $329,448,928 $322,970,257 $6,478,671
Oklahoma State $326,238,178 $273,959,017 $52,279,161
California $319,553,483 $319,502,736 $50,747
Arkansas $317,472,840 $304,516,585 $12,956,255
North Carolina $311,318,829 $310,322,260 $996,569
UCLA $307,518,115 $307,501,197 $16,918
Duke $305,442,709 $304,180,138 $1,262,571
Boston College $300,446,948 $295,093,893 $5,353,055
Washington $297,429,491 $279,371,129 $18,058,362
Purdue $289,997,727 $277,327,048 $12,670,679
Oregon $287,925,483 $276,292,935 $11,632,548
Virginia Tech $281,014,390 $252,140,462 $28,873,928
Clemson $278,773,748 $265,776,203 $12,997,545
Florida State $278,057,903 $271,387,906 $6,669,997
Louisville $276,626,938 $263,116,665 $13,510,273
Connecticut $274,438,065 $274,159,199 $278,866
Illinois $272,272,142 $244,345,811 $27,926,331
West Virginia $268,839,229 $240,910,022 $27,929,207
Indiana $268,489,651 $247,066,702 $21,422,949
Arizona State $265,675,468 $263,293,925 $2,381,543
Missouri $256,386,080 $251,401,330 $4,984,750
Miami (FL) $255,735,910 $242,972,602 $12,763,308
Rutgers $245,105,184 $244,719,877 $385,307
Texas Tech $244,451,812 $228,964,729 $15,487,083
Colorado $241,239,561 $230,601,450 $10,638,111
Arizona $240,762,291 $230,260,937 $10,501,354
Kansas State $239,718,709 $202,264,641 $37,454,068
Syracuse $237,755,312 $231,115,007 $6,640,305
Georgia Tech $236,123,569 $234,657,630 $1,465,939
Oregon State $232,407,604 $229,464,206 $2,943,398
Baylor $223,543,720 $223,543,720 $0
North Carolina State $223,022,563 $218,020,914 $5,001,649
Vanderbilt $220,415,601 $214,755,898 $5,659,703
:facepalm:
Post by: OregonSmock on September 16, 2011, 05:25:48 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 16, 2011, 05:38:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 16, 2011, 05:40:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2011, 05:51:07 PM
Using what you've been saying Beems, if ND agrees to share the media deals they have negotiated on their own with any conference they join, their worth to the conference blows schools like ku out of the water.
Looking at ku's last 3 years of gross revenues, they're in a log jam with a host of other schools and still well below the top schools in D1 athletics.
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2011, 06:49:53 PM
forbes puts out top 20 lists.
Wait until you see the one for America's Most Promising Companies. :gocho:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2011, 09:59:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2011, 10:24:47 AM
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What's more, the rumors are roaring that the league would like Texas and Kansas to become the 15th and 16th members. There's a lot of stuff that would need to happen before we reach that point. And just because the ACC wants those two schools doesn't mean the ACC will get them.
That said, it is in line with what I've been hearing all along and would make a ton of sense for Kansas. Remember, KU's chancellor, Bernadette Gray-Little, came from North Carolina, where she was the provost, aka No. 2 on the totem pole. Gray-Little knows the ACC administrators very well and most that I've talked to throughout the last few weeks have praised her for being actively and passionately involved in the realignment talks.
Updated percentage wheel... we have a new leader.
ACC - 41%
Big 12 - 29%
Big Ten - 14%
Big East - 11%
Pac-12 - 5%
Stay tuned...
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/17/realignment-today-what-acc-expansion-tal/?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 17, 2011, 10:30:03 AM
:cry: (ftp://:cry:)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on September 17, 2011, 03:52:40 PM
Post by: kstater on September 17, 2011, 07:29:17 PM
I don't even know if this belongs here. It wasn't even a thread about realignment.
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I feel KSU got good in football because KU basically ignored it for a long stretch. If you look at when they went from horrible to mediocre (with a short blast of good), it was when KU sort of became complacent.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 17, 2011, 07:41:36 PM
this is from a freaking KU beat writer:QuoteWhat's more, the rumors are roaring that the league would like Texas and Kansas to become the 15th and 16th members. There's a lot of stuff that would need to happen before we reach that point. And just because the ACC wants those two schools doesn't mean the ACC will get them.
That said, it is in line with what I've been hearing all along and would make a ton of sense for Kansas. Remember, KU's chancellor, Bernadette Gray-Little, came from North Carolina, where she was the provost, aka No. 2 on the totem pole. Gray-Little knows the ACC administrators very well and most that I've talked to throughout the last few weeks have praised her for being actively and passionately involved in the realignment talks.
Updated percentage wheel... we have a new leader.
ACC - 41%
Big 12 - 29%
Big Ten - 14%
Big East - 11%
Pac-12 - 5%
Stay tuned...
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/17/realignment-today-what-acc-expansion-tal/?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet
lol
Post by: felix rex on September 17, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
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If we didn't have our basketball program, we would have invested more in football, and would probably be more like other successful football only schools.
Ironically, KSU probably never would have become anything more than a school like Fort Hays State. I feel KSU got good in football because KU basically ignored it for a long stretch. If you look at when they went from horrible to mediocre (with a short blast of good), it was when KU sort of became complacent.
Thanks Roy.
Post by: ChiComCat on September 17, 2011, 09:43:11 PM
Thank you for letting us become good at football. You know, with the not trying to build a successful program and all that. I also appreciate you trying to make this happen again.
Love,
ChiCat
Post by: felix rex on September 17, 2011, 09:57:35 PM
Dear KU,
Thank you for letting us become good at football. You know, with the not trying to build a successful program and all that. I also appreciate you trying to make this happen again.
Love,
ChiCat
OMG think about how good we would have been at bball if KU was rough ridin' around and focusing on football in those years. :ksu:
Post by: Ira Hayes on September 17, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
Won 1 and played for 3.
KU is zero for zero but did come within one game of making one appearance. Just like Iowa State.
Post by: felix rex on September 18, 2011, 06:51:54 AM
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Who would have thought five years ago that Dan Beebe and Turner Gill would be responsible for taking a great institution right into the ditch.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 18, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
Won 1 and played for 3.
KU is zero for zero but did come within one game of making one appearance. Just like Iowa State.
KU has seven straight titles in revenue sports. Try again.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 18, 2011, 03:16:52 PM
Don't forget that time ku kind of tied with Moo for the division title, except you didn't have to go for the ritual beatdown by OU.How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
Won 1 and played for 3.
KU is zero for zero but did come within one game of making one appearance. Just like Iowa State.
KU has seven straight titles in revenue sports. Try again.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 18, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
Don't forget that time ku kind of tied with Moo for the division title, except you didn't have to go for the ritual beatdown by OU.How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
Won 1 and played for 3.
KU is zero for zero but did come within one game of making one appearance. Just like Iowa State.
KU has seven straight titles in revenue sports. Try again.
Don't forget the conference title in baseball.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2011, 03:20:31 PM
Good job tigers.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 18, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
So if you're counting conference baseball titles, which was the post season tourney, we'll have to award Missouri a Conference Title in basketball.
Good job tigers.
Typical Butthurt State fan... clinging to the accomplishments of Mizzou in an attempt to compensate for your own lack of success.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2011, 03:31:51 PM
This isn't hard.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 18, 2011, 03:33:08 PM
LOL . . . look man, you're probably hung over and you're all mad that ku got absolutely clowned yesterday, but I am just pointing out that if you're counting post season tourneys as a conference championship, than moo gets to count there post season basketball championship as a conference championship.
This isn't hard.
Well, in that case, KU has like 12 conference titles in basketball in the last 7 years.
:woot:
Post by: Tobias on September 18, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
Post by: kstater on September 18, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
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#1 who cares about football? These are Kansas City loosers anyway. I hate this time of year all the red in Kansas City and eveyone just making so much noise with these strange tail-gating parties, lack of sophistication and all. Every year everyone expects this team to do well and I don't see why.
Post by: WildcatNation on September 19, 2011, 04:03:28 AM
Wow. They really can not fathom the irrelevance of basketball in this. Jesus.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 19, 2011, 08:13:21 AM
Not a realignment gem, but a comment in a Chiefs article. Undoubtedly a KU fan.LOOSERS!Quote#1 who cares about football? These are Kansas City loosers anyway. I hate this time of year all the red in Kansas City and eveyone just making so much noise with these strange tail-gating parties, lack of sophistication and all. Every year everyone expects this team to do well and I don't see why.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2011, 08:40:43 AM
Not a realignment gem, but a comment in a Chiefs article. Undoubtedly a KU fan.Quote#1 who cares about football? These are Kansas City loosers anyway. I hate this time of year all the red in Kansas City and eveyone just making so much noise with these strange tail-gating parties, lack of sophistication and all. Every year everyone expects this team to do well and I don't see why.
Other than misspelling "losers", I agree wholeheartedly.
Post by: bakerman on September 19, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
"This is where KU needs to be selling themselves. KU bball means a sellout at your gym on the road. KU bball means good ratings on Big 10 Network. KU bball means increased Final Four chances and dollars for the Big 10. Also, the last 2 Big 10 add on's in PSU and NU really suck in bball. KU must sell themselves as adding bball prestige. Also I think KU would be attractive to current Big 10 members as a fball win for them on the field. After adding PSU and NU and with ND likely coming sometime soon, all Big 10 members from Ohio St and Indiana are probably looking for a football break on the field."
Wow. They really can not fathom the irrelevance of basketball in this. Jesus.
Absolutely love the, "if you let us into your conference, we'll let you beat the crap out of us every year!" attitude KU fans are going with. Doesn't scream desperate at all.
Post by: CatsNShocks on September 19, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
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If we had KSU's stadium and commitment to fooball, we would be home free.
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Football only became critical when the BCS was formed.
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We have to accept that Memorial pretty much sucks. It has the potential to be one of the coolest settings in college football. We joke about the track, but it DOES make us look kind of stupid.
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One thing I would like to ask is do you think Nebraska Football is a better program than Kansas Basketball?
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Memorial is an eyesore. It really needs to be totally redone.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 19, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
Post by: Ira Hayes on September 19, 2011, 10:22:49 AM
How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12?
Won 1 and played for 3.
KU is zero for zero but did come within one game of making one appearance. Just like Iowa State.
KU has seven straight titles in revenue sports. Try again.
I assumed you were talking about conference revenue sports and not NCAA revenue sports since this thread is about conference realignment. My bad.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 19, 2011, 10:35:33 AM
:comeatme:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 19, 2011, 10:44:20 AM
Memorial does have a cool setting. Now we just need that 2010 Gridiron Club and Olympic Sports Complex.
:comeatme:
Couldn't hurt. When do they break ground?
Post by: pc5k on September 19, 2011, 10:51:44 AM
Memorial does have a cool setting.
:comeatme:
No it doesn't, Memorial is a pile of crap.
Post by: BMWWcat on September 19, 2011, 08:07:10 PM
Memorial does have a cool setting. Now we just need that 2010 Gridiron Club and Olympic Sports Complex.
:comeatme:
Couldn't hurt. When do they break ground?
duh 2010.
Post by: J on September 19, 2011, 08:24:23 PM
Memorial does have a cool setting. Now we just need that 2010 Gridiron Club and Olympic Sports Complex.
:comeatme:
Memorial has a cool setting if we're it comparing to 4A high school stadiums.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 19, 2011, 08:32:09 PM
Memorial does have a cool setting. Now we just need that 2010 Gridiron Club and Olympic Sports Complex.
:comeatme:
Memorial has a cool setting if we're it comparing to 4A high school stadiums.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fieldturf.com%2Fimages%2Fsized%2Fimages%2Finstalls%2FKansas_University_Football-420x281.jpg&hash=da3bb29221960aaf0f10576eba3b1d8042c8111b)
:love:
Post by: pike on September 19, 2011, 08:33:51 PM
Post by: J on September 19, 2011, 08:35:03 PM
Memorial does have a cool setting. Now we just need that 2010 Gridiron Club and Olympic Sports Complex.
:comeatme:
Memorial has a cool setting if we're it comparing to 4A high school stadiums.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fieldturf.com%2Fimages%2Fsized%2Fimages%2Finstalls%2FKansas_University_Football-420x281.jpg&hash=da3bb29221960aaf0f10576eba3b1d8042c8111b)
:love:
Why are we looking at Andover High's field?
?
(srs.)
Post by: BMWWcat on September 19, 2011, 08:42:49 PM
Is that a food truck in the end zone?
nope...just pleather recliners
Post by: EMAWzified on September 19, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 19, 2011, 09:15:30 PM
All other schools have photos of their stadium filled with fans.
According to their athletic dept, that's sold out...
Post by: DQ12 on September 19, 2011, 09:25:07 PM
BMW was poking fun at his stadium, but then admitted that it wasn't all that great. Then, you all kicked him while he was down. Shame on you.
BMW, I agree. Memorial has potential to be really cool, but your athletic department and fans are responsible for it being probably the worst, or second to worst atmosphere in the big 12.
Post by: pike on September 19, 2011, 09:29:14 PM
Confry realignment has turned you guys into jerks.
BMW was poking fun at his stadium, but then admitted that it wasn't all that great. Then, you all kicked him while he was down. Shame on you.
BMW, I agree. Memorial has potential to be really cool, but your athletic department and fans are responsible for it being probably the worst, or second to worst atmosphere in the big 12.
EMAWs are NOT the jerks in confy realigny
Post by: 0.42 on September 19, 2011, 09:36:28 PM
BMW, I agree. Memorial has potential to be really cool, but your athletic department and fans are responsible for it being probably the worst, or second to worst atmosphere in the big 12.
Baylor fans don't even give a crap when they're good. It's the worst atmosphere in the confy by FAR. KU at least gets kinda loud when they're good and it's an important game.
Post by: ednksu on September 19, 2011, 09:46:54 PM
All other schools have photos of their stadium filled with fans.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: DQ12 on September 19, 2011, 09:51:26 PM
Maybe, I've only been to one Baylor game it and it was probably their biggest game in years (became bowl eligible).BMW, I agree. Memorial has potential to be really cool, but your athletic department and fans are responsible for it being probably the worst, or second to worst atmosphere in the big 12.
Baylor fans don't even give a crap when they're good. It's the worst atmosphere in the confy by FAR. KU at least gets kinda loud when they're good and it's an important game.
Either way, it's a shame KU has neglected football because it could have been pretty cool.
Post by: OregonSmock on September 19, 2011, 09:52:50 PM
:love:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 19, 2011, 09:57:02 PM
I guess you have to be a squawk to understand. Looks pretty rough ridin' shitty to me.
This is the only angle I've ever seen photographed, so I'm guessing this is the "potential" part, but it's hard to tell. From the outside of the stadium and all other angles the stadium is an embarrassment to the state of Kansas, but then again so is this angle. :confused:
Post by: ednksu on September 19, 2011, 10:11:12 PM
Is that a food truck in the end zone?
nope...just pleather recliners
Maybe Lime Truck will visit their campus!
Post by: J on September 19, 2011, 10:14:38 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F27.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lrcc39DCuh1qiswlqo1_400.jpg&hash=ddef5064d3ce814e58ce752e0e1b9b94bce858ae)
:love:
(refutes by positing a picture of a stadium filled only with what appears to be a high school marching band and a high school track around the field)
Haters gunna hate, beemsy.
Post by: cummin_CAT on September 19, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
:lol: it does looks like someone is busting a load in that bird's ass!:lol:
Post by: GoodForAnother on September 19, 2011, 10:18:10 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 19, 2011, 10:33:08 PM
excellent gay sex jokes ITT
Post by: ksucrcoop on September 19, 2011, 11:04:29 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F27.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lrcc39DCuh1qiswlqo1_400.jpg&hash=ddef5064d3ce814e58ce752e0e1b9b94bce858ae)
:love:
NOBODY CARES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE STADIUM. Do you stare off into the hill and clock tower the whole game??@!?@#
Michigan, by most peoples' standards, has the greatest stadium in the country - and it's not just because it's the biggest. However, the "setting" is crappy. It's next to a busy street and is right across from a high school (although tailgating on the golf course is badass).
Post by: nicname on September 20, 2011, 01:31:38 AM
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KU, Notre Dame and Texas (17 votes)
These are by far the top 3 prime schools left.
Notre Dame is not relevant in anything, they should STFU and go to the big 10.
Texas should STFU about it's LHN and go to the PAC.
KU could go anywhere. The SEC, Big 10 or PAC should be thankful as hell to have them.
Post by: jtksu on September 20, 2011, 01:33:16 AM
Post by: nicname on September 20, 2011, 01:34:28 AM
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Here is an idea.. Laugh if you want.. Make fun if ya want, but everyone else gets to make ******** claims of this and that....
First off Texas and Notre Dame understand the BIG following KU bball has and they sit down and KU, Texas and Notre Dame throw some weight around and bring together this....
Notre Dame
Iowa
Missouri
Illinois
Kansas
Purdue
Texas
OU
LSU
Arkansas
Oklahoma State
Memphis
Football wise It would probably be Iowa vs take your pick from the south besides Memphis and then Basketball ball wise well KU would still be top dog....
Post by: mcmwcat on September 20, 2011, 07:01:34 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on September 20, 2011, 08:12:18 AM
KU is a prime school? Since when?It was posted by someone with the handle of "Butt Cheese", so you can tell they're very knowledgable about collegiate athletics.
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 20, 2011, 08:19:15 AM
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Posted: Yesterday 8:40 PM
KU, Notre Dame and Texas (17 votes)
These are by far the top 3 prime schools left.
Notre Dame is not relevant in anything, they should STFU and go to the big 10.
Texas should STFU about it's LHN and go to the PAC.
KU could go anywhere. The SEC, Big 10 or PAC should be thankful as hell to have them.
jfc :facepalm: dumbass redneck dicksucking faggots
Post by: AbeFroman on September 20, 2011, 08:43:18 AM
QuoteHere is an idea.. Laugh if you want.. Make fun if ya want, but everyone else gets to make ******** claims of this and that....
First off Texas and Notre Dame understand the BIG following KU bball has and they sit down and KU, Texas and Notre Dame throw some weight around and bring together this....
Notre Dame
Iowa
Missouri
Illinois
Kansas
Purdue
Texas
OU
LSU
Arkansas
Oklahoma State
Memphis
Football wise It would probably be Iowa vs take your pick from the south besides Memphis and then Basketball ball wise well KU would still be top dog....
ku, ND and Tex combining forces to cherry pick from the SEC and Big 10? Now I've heard it all. :lol: :facepalm:
Post by: bigwillie20 on September 20, 2011, 08:50:01 AM
QuoteHere is an idea.. Laugh if you want.. Make fun if ya want, but everyone else gets to make ******** claims of this and that....
First off Texas and Notre Dame understand the BIG following KU bball has and they sit down and KU, Texas and Notre Dame throw some weight around and bring together this....
Notre Dame
Iowa
Missouri
Illinois
Kansas
Purdue
Texas
OU
LSU
Arkansas
Oklahoma State
Memphis
Football wise It would probably be Iowa vs take your pick from the south besides Memphis and then Basketball ball wise well KU would still be top dog....
ku, ND and Tex combining forces to cherry pick from the SEC and Big 10? Now I've heard it all. :lol: :facepalm:
Holy eff...don't know where that came from but that might be 1 of the dumbest posts in the history of the internet. Beems, confirm?
Post by: EMAWzified on September 20, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
Post by: jmlynch1 on September 20, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
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I don't know if a bunch of celebrities wearing T-shirts and hats would make a point to anybody, and I'm not sure how you'd get it in front of the right people even if it did mean something, but I just remember looking at that and feeling good about how the Jayhawk and KU were clearly a well-known brand nationally. It's not just a random school in the middle of nowhere that nobody cares about.I mean they're all just so dumb.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 22, 2011, 09:24:35 AM
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Jester; a ksu fan seems to think the whole state outside of JoCo and Larry-town is a KSU football state. Thats both laughable and delusional. My guess is he's never been to KCK, Leavenworth, Bonnersprings, Emporia, Burlignton, El Dorado, Winfield etc. or pretty much anywhere from Topeka heading east to the state line from the north-to-the-south. Hell; there are no KSU fans in places like Pittsburgh,KS. And Wichita may not be a pro-KU town but its not a ksu town either. So they can't even claim Wichita over KU.
The only market that matters in the state is dominated by KU. And we all know what market that is.
Post by: CNS on September 22, 2011, 09:25:28 AM
QuoteJester; a ksu fan seems to think the whole state outside of JoCo and Larry-town is a KSU football state. Thats both laughable and delusional. My guess is he's never been to KCK, Leavenworth, Bonnersprings, Emporia, Burlignton, El Dorado, Winfield etc. or pretty much anywhere from Topeka heading east to the state line from the north-to-the-south. Hell; there are no KSU fans in places like Pittsburgh,KS. And Wichita may not be a pro-KU town but its not a ksu town either. So they can't even claim Wichita over KU.
The only market that matters in the state is dominated by KU. And we all know what market that is.
Bonner Springs matters...as a market! :lol:
Post by: EMAWzified on September 22, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 22, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on September 22, 2011, 09:35:33 AM
I like how none of them realize that all of those KU fans in Kansas City watch K-State games, too.
Well, the ones that actually "watch" football, yes.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 22, 2011, 10:23:59 AM
Post by: EMAWmeister on September 22, 2011, 01:38:01 PM
I like how ku fans just assume Kansas City is a ku town...of course, they don't cross the state line to Missouri to see that the Missouri side are largely Moo fans. They don't seem to notice that powercat logos are as visible as jayhawk junk throughout the metro area. ku does have a presence in the rest of the state, but not nearly as much as K-State. But they all agree with each other that KC is a ku town, and the rest of the state is pretty much evenly divided.
Born and raised in KC, and you're insane if you say it's represented equally. Walk into a Kansas Sampler, kU and mizzou will have 2x the selection that we do. It's repulsive.
Post by: AbeFroman on September 22, 2011, 01:43:04 PM
But KSU owns the Mission Hills, Prairie Village, Leawood and Fairway markets :kstategrad:
Post by: J on September 23, 2011, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: kansascitysportsfan
QuoteThe thing that has bugged me the most about this realignment talk is how KU has been undervalued and thrown to the side with deadweights like ISU, KSU, and Baylor. And its all because we have a football program that is not good at the moment. A few years ago would the perception be different?? Possibly, but despite our rebuilding fb program we still bring a lot to the table. Check Big 12 athletic revenue, Academics ( the fact that we are about to add a cancer research center that should bump our academic standings up dramatically) , Endownment, the ablilty to deliver a top 30 tv market, and the forever forgotten huge national following KU basketball brings to the table for TV networks.
It blows my mind how we are thrown under the bus as one of the misfits that bring nothing to the table.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
kcsf's immense delusion offers gem after gem after gem after gem.
We NEED to get hum to post over here. BEEMER??
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 23, 2011, 08:56:57 AM
Post by: ednksu on September 23, 2011, 09:16:38 AM
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Hey I know this isn't about KU but figured the local people that haven't heard yet would like to know that the Ichabods are on TV Thursday night on CBS College Sports.. Hosting Missouri Western... This game usually is a fun one to watch... The last 10 games have been decided by an average of 8.5 pts or less and the last 2 games 3 pts or less.. So Support the Ichabods and tune in!!!
As always Rock Chalk, even though I am an Ichabod alum!
Quote from: BostonJayhawk
Mo West is my alma mater. Pretty cool that these teams will get on national tv.
Quote from: BonnerHawk
Total agreeage. I'm a Washburn grad. Good school. It's not their fault that I got my BS in something I totally lost flavor for.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 23, 2011, 09:22:42 AM
"What would be really great is if the Big 12 expands back to 12 after MU leaves. Then we would likely be the TOP team in the north and become relevant in football. "
BECOME RELEVANT!
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 23, 2011, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: BostonJayhawkMo West is my alma mater. Pretty cool that these teams will get on national tv.
Looks like Missouri Western State University has a national following. Reaches all the way to the east coast. Why weren't they involved in Confy Armageddon?
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2011, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BostonJayhawkMo West is my alma mater. Pretty cool that these teams will get on national tv.
Looks like Missouri Western State University has a national following. Reaches all the way to the east coast. Why weren't they involved in Confy Armageddon?
Pfft. Have you ever seen a celebrity wearing a MWSU shirt?
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 23, 2011, 09:33:36 AM
Ever heard of a guy named PAUL rough ridin' RHODES?Quote from: BostonJayhawkMo West is my alma mater. Pretty cool that these teams will get on national tv.
Looks like Missouri Western State University has a national following. Reaches all the way to the east coast. Why weren't they involved in Confy Armageddon?
Pfft. Have you ever seen a celebrity wearing a MWSU shirt?
rough ridin' is not his middle name. But it should be.
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2011, 09:35:45 AM
Ever heard of a guy named PAUL rough ridin' RHODES?Quote from: BostonJayhawkMo West is my alma mater. Pretty cool that these teams will get on national tv.
Looks like Missouri Western State University has a national following. Reaches all the way to the east coast. Why weren't they involved in Confy Armageddon?
Pfft. Have you ever seen a celebrity wearing a MWSU shirt?
rough ridin' is not his middle name. But it should be.
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Paul Rhodes (born 1956[1][2]) is a Canadian political strategist. He was communications director for the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party during the 1995, 1999 and 2003 elections, and communications director for Ontario Premier Mike Harris from 1995 to 1997. Rhodes was an architect of the Common Sense Revolution, the policy platform which ushered the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party into government in 1995.:dunno:
Before entering politics, Rhodes was a reporter for CTV's affiliate in Kitchener, CKCO.[1]
Post by: bakerman on September 23, 2011, 09:47:42 AM
tangentQuoteHey I know this isn't about KU but figured the local people that haven't heard yet would like to know that the Ichabods are on TV Thursday night on CBS College Sports.. Hosting Missouri Western... This game usually is a fun one to watch... The last 10 games have been decided by an average of 8.5 pts or less and the last 2 games 3 pts or less.. So Support the Ichabods and tune in!!!
As always Rock Chalk, even though I am an Ichabod alum!
I don't think this guy knows how averages work... must be that Ichabod education...
Post by: kstater on September 24, 2011, 07:36:33 AM
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but what we need is for MU to go to the SEC. At that point, you've eliminated the only other FBS school we truly compete with for the KC market. You get Missouri out of the way, that leaves KU with the entire market,
Post by: Chico on September 24, 2011, 09:18:54 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 24, 2011, 09:23:28 AM
K-State now has more JoCo enrollees than ku does. They can't even claim that market.
Sorry, do not believe.
Post by: kstater on September 24, 2011, 09:39:20 AM
I can believe it. If the stat had been KSU now has more JCCC enrollees that are fans that wouldn't been believable.K-State now has more JoCo enrollees than ku does. They can't even claim that market.
Sorry, do not believe.
Post by: EuroCat on September 24, 2011, 09:47:36 AM
K-State now has more JoCo enrollees than ku does. They can't even claim that market.As someone who was born and raised in JoCo i don't believe this.
Post by: Chico on September 24, 2011, 09:53:52 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 27, 2011, 01:00:53 PM
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Does it ever occur to you in that little head of yours that there is a reason that KU was at least mentioned in the rumors, and speculations? The fact that KU was tied with UT to the ACC, or to OU/OSU to the PAC. Or even with MU to the big 10. There is a reason for that. No one wants KSU. No matter how relevant you think you are in realignment, KU is viewed at least as the flagship university and is at least thought of for consideration when adding members.
The only time KSU is thought of is when the question is asked if KU would be forced to drag along KSU with it.
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And this is part of the problem. If KSU had not tagged along and had been in the MVC where they belong all this time, a much larger % of sports fans in Kansas would be pro KU right now. Even many KSU fans would also follow and route for KU similar to how we have WSU/KU fans. KU would be viewed as having basically 100% market share of Kansas the way Neb and MU have 100% of their states. People say KU would be in a much better spot if the state had not chosen to form 2 schools, but the real mistake was made when we let them tag along into the old big 6 and then the conference never decided to give them the boot later. If the big 12 does indeed fall apart, and we get an invite to the big 10, it will be an great opportunity to correct this mistake.
And my personal favorite from the thread:
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My lord KSU fans are in denial. KU is the flagship school. Get over it. And thanks for the kind words Michigan fan
Post by: jmlynch1 on September 27, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Let's just say it would be an interesting topic to inquire about when the current numbers get released.Nearly every year KSU enrolls more Kansas kids than KU.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
This is from the thread where the Michigan fan asked if they could lose KSU and go to the Big 10.QuoteDoes it ever occur to you in that little head of yours that there is a reason that KU was at least mentioned in the rumors, and speculations? The fact that KU was tied with UT to the ACC, or to OU/OSU to the PAC. Or even with MU to the big 10. There is a reason for that. No one wants KSU. No matter how relevant you think you are in realignment, KU is viewed at least as the flagship university and is at least thought of for consideration when adding members.
The only time KSU is thought of is when the question is asked if KU would be forced to drag along KSU with it.QuoteAnd this is part of the problem. If KSU had not tagged along and had been in the MVC where they belong all this time, a much larger % of sports fans in Kansas would be pro KU right now. Even many KSU fans would also follow and route for KU similar to how we have WSU/KU fans. KU would be viewed as having basically 100% market share of Kansas the way Neb and MU have 100% of their states. People say KU would be in a much better spot if the state had not chosen to form 2 schools, but the real mistake was made when we let them tag along into the old big 6 and then the conference never decided to give them the boot later. If the big 12 does indeed fall apart, and we get an invite to the big 10, it will be an great opportunity to correct this mistake.
And my personal favorite from the thread:QuoteMy lord KSU fans are in denial. KU is the flagship school. Get over it. And thanks for the kind words Michigan fan
Post by: EMAWzified on September 27, 2011, 01:54:22 PM
And from a story in the Topeka CJ: Kansas State University had a 1.2 percent increase in students with a total of 23,863 while The University of Kansas saw a 3.1 decrease at the school's Lawrence campus for a total of 25,448 students.
It's only a matter of time.
Post by: jmlynch1 on September 27, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
Meanwhile, flagship sinking: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep/27/ku-officials-say-theyre-concerned-about-declining-/Yeah, they have had a decline of 800 freshman from 2008.
And from a story in the Topeka CJ: Kansas State University had a 1.2 percent increase in students with a total of 23,863 while The University of Kansas saw a 3.1 decrease at the school's Lawrence campus for a total of 25,448 students.
It's only a matter of time.
Post by: EMAWzified on September 29, 2011, 12:12:19 PM
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I'd love to see KY join the Big12. The basketball thing is obvious, but their football program has been on an uptrend for a number of years now. Great value and would be an exchange rate w/SEC instead of them cherry picking us like vultures.
I like that trade.
WVU would be competitive and increase our eastern view, but they need to keep their snakes at home. Doubt they would be interested in traveling to BYU, and vice versa.
Post by: kstater on October 08, 2011, 08:00:47 PM
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My choice is Tressel.
Post by: jtksu on October 08, 2011, 08:02:14 PM
Post by: fun muffin on October 13, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
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I don't have numbers to back this up but it seems like KU, whether good or bad, is a good draw on TV.
Post by: pike on October 13, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
QuoteI don't have numbers to back this up but it seems like KU, whether good or bad, is a good draw on TV.
I've heard they're brand is as good as Notre Dame's
Post by: nicname on October 13, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
QuoteI don't have numbers to back this up but it seems like KU, whether good or bad, is a good draw on TV.
I've heard they're brand is as good as Notre Dame's
Most recognizable in college sports. Just goes along with the rest of their national appeal. I mean they have dedicated KU bars in New York City of all places, NEW YORK CITY.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 13, 2011, 03:12:29 PM
QuoteI don't have numbers to back this up but it seems like KU, whether good or bad, is a good draw on TV.
welp. there it is.
Post by: justTHEtip on October 15, 2011, 08:55:29 AM
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After Missouri is SEC #14, is KU interested in being SEC #15?
Yes or no?
Why?
:facepalm:
Post by: PowercatPat on October 15, 2011, 10:12:35 AM
QuoteAfter Missouri is SEC #14, is KU interested in being SEC #15?
Yes or no?
Why?
:facepalm:
:lol:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 15, 2011, 04:16:44 PM
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K-state is becoming more homosexual as every day passed. last week there was an event for students to come out of the closet. the libraries have bought an exceptional amount of gay pride books in the last month. they are hosting an actor who plays the part a flaming happily homosexual married man, and last but not least EMAW to EPAW, no k-state fan is allowed to talk crap on KU's liberal attitude.
Post by: Trim on October 15, 2011, 04:19:38 PM
not from the phog...but from a ku fan on facebook...QuoteK-state is becoming more homosexual as every day passed. last week there was an event for students to come out of the closet. the libraries have bought an exceptional amount of gay pride books in the last month. they are hosting an actor who plays the part a flaming happily homosexual married man, and last but not least EMAW to EPAW, no k-state fan is allowed to talk crap on KU's liberal attitude.
Plus, that EMAWgeddon story.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 16, 2011, 08:43:04 AM
not from the phog...but from a ku fan on facebook...QuoteK-state is becoming more homosexual as every day passed. last week there was an event for students to come out of the closet. the libraries have bought an exceptional amount of gay pride books in the last month. they are hosting an actor who plays the part a flaming happily homosexual married man, and last but not least EMAW to EPAW, no k-state fan is allowed to talk crap on KU's liberal attitude.
Where do you dig up library homosexual pride book purchase statistics?
Post by: Lemonrock on October 16, 2011, 09:01:05 AM
When you are the homosexual pride book salesman you can keep tabs on these sorts of things.not from the phog...but from a ku fan on facebook...QuoteK-state is becoming more homosexual as every day passed. last week there was an event for students to come out of the closet. the libraries have bought an exceptional amount of gay pride books in the last month. they are hosting an actor who plays the part a flaming happily homosexual married man, and last but not least EMAW to EPAW, no k-state fan is allowed to talk crap on KU's liberal attitude.
Where do you dig up library homosexual pride book purchase statistics?
Post by: the KHAN! on October 16, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
When you are the homosexual pride book salesman you can keep tabs on these sorts of things.not from the phog...but from a ku fan on facebook...QuoteK-state is becoming more homosexual as every day passed. last week there was an event for students to come out of the closet. the libraries have bought an exceptional amount of gay pride books in the last month. they are hosting an actor who plays the part a flaming happily homosexual married man, and last but not least EMAW to EPAW, no k-state fan is allowed to talk crap on KU's liberal attitude.
Where do you dig up library homosexual pride book purchase statistics?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: justTHEtip on October 17, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
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We need a quality win to be considered for a bowl even if we're eligible. A win against KSU would definitely do the trick, also maybe A&M. But I think KU NEEDS to beat KState to go to a bowl.
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Why do KState graduates hang their degrees from the rear mirror? To prove their handicap tags.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on October 17, 2011, 09:25:29 PM
Squawk Nation's confidence is SOARING!!!:facepalm:QuoteWe need a quality win to be considered for a bowl even if we're eligible. A win against KSU would definitely do the trick, also maybe A&M. But I think KU NEEDS to beat KState to go to a bowl.
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Why do KState graduates hang their degrees from the rear mirror? To prove their handicap tags.
Post by: SdK on October 20, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
tangentQuoteHey I know this isn't about KU but figured the local people that haven't heard yet would like to know that the Ichabods are on TV Thursday night on CBS College Sports.. Hosting Missouri Western... This game usually is a fun one to watch... The last 10 games have been decided by an average of 8.5 pts or less and the last 2 games 3 pts or less.. So Support the Ichabods and tune in!!!
As always Rock Chalk, even though I am an Ichabod alum!
I don't think this guy knows how averages work... must be that Ichabod education...
You can eff right off.
Post by: bakerman on October 20, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
tangentQuoteHey I know this isn't about KU but figured the local people that haven't heard yet would like to know that the Ichabods are on TV Thursday night on CBS College Sports.. Hosting Missouri Western... This game usually is a fun one to watch... The last 10 games have been decided by an average of 8.5 pts or less and the last 2 games 3 pts or less.. So Support the Ichabods and tune in!!!
As always Rock Chalk, even though I am an Ichabod alum!
I don't think this guy knows how averages work... must be that Ichabod education...
You can eff right off.
squawkabod outed
Post by: SdK on October 20, 2011, 12:07:10 PM
tangentQuoteHey I know this isn't about KU but figured the local people that haven't heard yet would like to know that the Ichabods are on TV Thursday night on CBS College Sports.. Hosting Missouri Western... This game usually is a fun one to watch... The last 10 games have been decided by an average of 8.5 pts or less and the last 2 games 3 pts or less.. So Support the Ichabods and tune in!!!
As always Rock Chalk, even though I am an Ichabod alum!
I don't think this guy knows how averages work... must be that Ichabod education...
You can eff right off.
squawkabod outed
Hahaha I've attended both KSU and Washburn and just feel I'm getting a better education at Washburn where I am currently enrolled. It could just be my overall learning style I don't know. It's a great football season to be a Washburn student and KSU fan though. Go BodCats!!!!
Post by: jtksu on October 20, 2011, 12:47:12 PM
Post by: SdK on October 20, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
Sundance Kid sounds like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)'s name.
So I would assume that jtksu sounds like the opposite of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in your opinion? :cheers: inverse!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 20, 2011, 08:33:22 PM
Squawk Nation's confidence is SOARING!!!:facepalm:QuoteWe need a quality win to be considered for a bowl even if we're eligible. A win against KSU would definitely do the trick, also maybe A&M. But I think KU NEEDS to beat KState to go to a bowl.
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Why do KState graduates hang their degrees from the rear mirror? To prove their handicap tags.
Without a rear mirror, it's impossible to look at your own bad person. So I see how this guy got confused.
Post by: AbeFroman on October 23, 2011, 01:38:46 AM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=8137221
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meteorcane
Posted: Today 12:02 AM
Dezmon Briscoe is interesting. (7 votes)
Not to be racist but this guy is unbelievable.
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Tardnardic
Posted: Today 12:21 AM
Re: Dezmon Briscoe is interesting.
He's black, a person of color.
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FERALFELINE
Posted: Today 12:28 AM
Re: Dezmon Briscoe is interesting.
Most black people are interesting. Not to be racist.
Post by: CatsNShocks on October 26, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
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MikeStinkey wrote: We're a huge reason they're leaving - they hate us and they hate being overshadowed by us. Even during the midst of their best FB season in 40 years, we came out of nowhere and snagged what they perceived to be, their BCS bid. That was horrible. Then came the Natty.
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They were saying that all Texas wants is 1 major rival for football OU + 1 major rival for hoops KU. Everything else is just meaningless in the big picture when it comes to conference memberships as long as Texas has it's rivals everyone else can get on with it.
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MU still is mad because KU was chosen for the Orange Bowl.
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KU will own the KC market, it won't be a hodge podge. KU pretty much owns it now.
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 26, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
From the "Is KU helping to drive Mizzou off to SEC?" thread:QuoteMikeStinkey wrote: We're a huge reason they're leaving - they hate us and they hate being overshadowed by us. Even during the midst of their best FB season in 40 years, we came out of nowhere and snagged what they perceived to be, their BCS bid. That was horrible. Then came the Natty.QuoteThey were saying that all Texas wants is 1 major rival for football OU + 1 major rival for hoops KU. Everything else is just meaningless in the big picture when it comes to conference memberships as long as Texas has it's rivals everyone else can get on with it.QuoteMU still is mad because KU was chosen for the Orange Bowl.QuoteKU will own the KC market, it won't be a hodge podge. KU pretty much owns it now.
rock chalk agree with all of htose
Post by: CatsNShocks on October 27, 2011, 11:50:46 AM
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I just heard St John say on 810 that Harbaugh was ready to accept th KU job. The only reason he didn't was that Lew insisted that he forego coaching Stanford in their bowl game and begin at Kansas immediatley. St John claims he was told this by a friend of Harbaugh's. If this is true... Wow!
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I can tell you with 100% certainty he was coming to KU. I know 2 guys that were coaching with him at the time and they were starting to do their homework on Lawrence because of what Jimmy told them (We're going to Kansas). I don't know why he changed his mind though.
Post by: bigwillie20 on October 27, 2011, 12:19:37 PM
Post by: DQ12 on October 27, 2011, 01:04:17 PM
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2011, 04:16:54 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :facepalm:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 27, 2011, 04:18:31 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 27, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Not about realignment, but this thread is a real gem.
Post by: mocat on October 27, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
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They aren't gloating because they remember the Scary Smart Era didn't end all that long ago. Turner Gill is our Scary Smart.
uh, no dumbass, Mangino was your Scary Smart. Except he actually was Scary Smart
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2011, 09:41:21 AM
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Gill needs to be demoted to the position of locker room towel boy before he gets off the airplane tonight
"I wiped crap all over the wall's and their ain't no tip in it for ya boy"
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 02, 2011, 06:12:38 PM
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 02, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
A conference doesnt get money for numbe of fans in a metro area. You can't determine if a household TV set is pro kU or pro KSU. Its simply what region its in. KC is a KU/KSU/MU market.
KU is broke as a mother effer thats proven, why would a conference want a broke school tahts awful at football.
AAU status means nothing in realignment.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 02, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
KU can't "own the KC TV Market"
A conference doesnt get money for numbe of fans in a metro area. You can't determine if a household TV set is pro kU or pro KSU. Its simply what region its in. KC is a KU/KSU/MU market.
KU is broke as a mother effer thats proven, why would a conference want a broke school tahts awful at football.
AAU status means nothing in realignment.
wut
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 02, 2011, 08:16:50 PM
Post by: bakerman on November 03, 2011, 08:59:11 AM
KU can't "own the KC TV Market"
A conference doesnt get money for numbe of fans in a metro area. You can't determine if a household TV set is pro kU or pro KSU. Its simply what region its in. KC is a KU/KSU/MU market.
KU is broke as a mother effer thats proven, why would a conference want a broke school tahts awful at football.
AAU status means nothing in realignment.
great, now there's going to be a rough ridin' goEMAW.com realignment gems thread somewhere.... :facepalm:
Post by: Rams on November 03, 2011, 09:35:02 AM
Still on Harbaugh...SSJ and Bukaty had a guest on that said he heard from multiple sources close to Harbaugh that everything above is correct. I didn't catch who the guest was but he sounded pretty legit.QuoteI just heard St John say on 810 that Harbaugh was ready to accept th KU job. The only reason he didn't was that Lew insisted that he forego coaching Stanford in their bowl game and begin at Kansas immediatley. St John claims he was told this by a friend of Harbaugh's. If this is true... Wow!QuoteI can tell you with 100% certainty he was coming to KU. I know 2 guys that were coaching with him at the time and they were starting to do their homework on Lawrence because of what Jimmy told them (We're going to Kansas). I don't know why he changed his mind though.
If true, holy eff. :horrorsurprise:
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 03, 2011, 09:53:40 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 03, 2011, 10:02:38 AM
Gonna go ahead and assume that a guy who was poised to take a job with the freaking 49ers wouldn't have actually ever showed up to coach the Kansas freaking Jayhawks.
The guy they interviewed was Jeff Tschida (sp) and even though he was in SF doing a story on Harbaugh he didn't actually hear this info from Harbaugh but someone "around" Harbaugh.
Post by: ksu101 on November 03, 2011, 10:04:37 AM
Gonna go ahead and assume that a guy who was poised to take a job with the freaking 49ers wouldn't have actually ever showed up to coach the Kansas freaking Jayhawks.
Lawrence>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>San Francisco. Right?... Riiiiight?
Post by: deputy dawg on November 03, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 03, 2011, 10:56:43 AM
My ku friends argue strenuously that Harbaugh to ku was a done deal, except that Lew screwed it up by insisting that Harbaugh accept the position during the Stanford season, and commit to 5 years. Damn that Lew!
Different story on radio today. They said the only sticking point was that Lew wouldn't let him coach Stanford in their bowl game.
Post by: Pete on November 03, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
My ku friends argue strenuously that Harbaugh to ku was a done deal, except that Lew screwed it up by insisting that Harbaugh accept the position during the Stanford season, and commit to 5 years. Damn that Lew!
Different story on radio today. They said the only sticking point was that Lew wouldn't let him coach Stanford in their bowl game.
Cheyanne Zulu will land them a big fish this next time around.
Post by: deputy dawg on November 03, 2011, 11:10:32 AM
My ku friends argue strenuously that Harbaugh to ku was a done deal, except that Lew screwed it up by insisting that Harbaugh accept the position during the Stanford season, and commit to 5 years. Damn that Lew!
Different story on radio today. They said the only sticking point was that Lew wouldn't let him coach Stanford in their bowl game.
Read carefully. Same story. Accept position during Stanford's season = not letting him coach bowl game.
Post by: pissclams on November 03, 2011, 11:13:16 AM
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 03, 2011, 05:24:52 PM
My ku friends argue strenuously that Harbaugh to ku was a done deal, except that Lew screwed it up by insisting that Harbaugh accept the position during the Stanford season, and commit to 5 years. Damn that Lew!
Different story on radio today. They said the only sticking point was that Lew wouldn't let him coach Stanford in their bowl game.
I still fail to see what made KU attractive to Harbaugh.
Post by: OregonSmock on November 03, 2011, 05:27:28 PM
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 03, 2011, 05:35:28 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 03, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Why is it so hard to believe that the coach of Stanford was close to taking a better-paying job at KU? No one is claiming he wouldn't have left a year later for the 49ers job. You guys are awfully sensitive on this subject for some reason. I sense a little jealousy, as well as denial.
I believe the story. It just makes me LOL that much harder that the dumbasses at ku Fitz'd it up, and Fitz'd it up so hard that you're stuck with Turner at 2 Million a year on a 5 year contract.
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 03, 2011, 05:46:19 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 03, 2011, 05:51:31 PM
could you imagine harbs vs patterson?
epic.
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 03, 2011, 05:57:44 PM
Why is it so hard to believe that the coach of Stanford was close to taking a better-paying job at KU? No one is claiming he wouldn't have left a year later for the 49ers job. You guys are awfully sensitive on this subject for some reason. I sense a little jealousy, as well as denial.
im very jealous of KU's football program. Gridiron club= top of the totem pole in my eyes.
Post by: steve dave on November 03, 2011, 06:05:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 03, 2011, 06:32:49 PM
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Post by: 'taterblast on August 17, 2021, 07:56:56 AM
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Don't rule out the SEC
I know its not a cultural fit but if push comes to shove and we never receive that invitation to the big 10, we might have an outside shot at sliding into the SEC.
Now with OU and UT in the mix and Mizzou already aboard it makes more sense now then ever before and KU/UK on the basketball side would make it the premier basketball conference as well as football.
It solidifies the KC media market with both KU and MU, gives them another flagship AAU school and another blue blood in basketball to compliment UK, I think the SEC would have more interest then we probably expect them too and it never hurts to reach out to them in case the big 10 offer never comes our way.
Its not my ideal choice but I much rather land in the SEC if we don't get the big 10 offer then to get stuck in a non P4 fallback conference with schools from the AAC and MWC because we set back and did nothing after the fact we knew UT and OU was leaving
Post by: MadCat on August 17, 2021, 09:52:01 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on August 17, 2021, 09:54:20 AM
Why is it so hard to believe that the coach of Stanford was close to taking a better-paying job at KU? No one is claiming he wouldn't have left a year later for the 49ers job. You guys are awfully sensitive on this subject for some reason.
Ah, posts that did not age well.
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I sense a little jealousy, as well as denial.
Just going to go ahead and point out that since this posts was made, K-State has obtained another conference championship, attended 8 bowl games, beaten 10 top 25 opponents, 4 of which were in the top 10, and won an additional 75 games.
Post by: PurpleOil on August 17, 2021, 09:55:48 AM
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sports/delusional-kansas-fans-message-board-post-about-jayhawks-potentially-joining-the-sec-is-going-viral/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sports/delusional-kansas-fans-message-board-post-about-jayhawks-potentially-joining-the-sec-is-going-viral/)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
When luvthatblue becomes a national joke.
Post by: RickRampus on August 17, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2021, 11:52:35 AM
I believe if the SEC tried to add Kansas SEC SEC SEC world would explode in displeasure.
Even thought I can't stand Sankey's pompous ass, there's no way in hell he follows up bringing in two of the winningest football programs in history, with Kansas. I can assure everyone that SEC basketball only has one rabid fanbase. For the rest it's simply a sport to pass the time between the end of football and the start of spring football and baseball, and to talk about in between discussing football recruiting. If an SEC school not named Kentucky has a good basketball team, that's extra whipped cream and sprinkles, nothing more.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on August 24, 2021, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: Dave Wannstedt
“I was at the Fox meetings in Phoenix a week ago, and we were talking. A lot of the Big Ten people were there," Wannstedt said. "The Big 12, we know that Oklahoma and Texas are gone. For any of our listeners, it sounds like Oklahoma State and Kansas State are going to the Pac-12. So that’s done. It sounds like West Virginia is gonna end up in the ACC, which would make sense with Virginia, Pitt, everybody there. And it sounds like Iowa State and Kansas, they’re the two schools that are gonna probably join the Big Ten here locally.
Quote from: Phog
I am interested in this Dave Wannstedt information.. He may be a drunken fool, but he's an honest drunken fool. He may have misspoke- or even misheard- but it's likely that he didn't misspeak or mishear the KU to the big 10 bit. I told you guys back in the Stone Ages of this thread that my sources absolutely confirmed that Goff/Girod had been in contact with the big 10 and that Goff and Girod had been in contact with Network Executives. Bet dollars to doughnuts that Dave Wannstedt is close with the Network Executives at Fox. And Fox is running the playbook for realignment for the big 10 and the PAC. Dave is more the kind of guy (based on my impression of him) that would be privy to this kind of information, and would remember the headline (KU to the big 10), but jumble up the rest (ISU/KSU/OkSt) in his memory because his brain is filled with malted hops and bong resin.. I'm just saying, I wouldn't completely dismiss it..
I've said since the get-go guys, this is about content and viewership. It's about money. We bring in more than we cost. Period.
Post by: Katpappy on August 24, 2021, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Dave Wannstedt
“I was at the Fox meetings in Phoenix a week ago, and we were talking. A lot of the Big Ten people were there," Wannstedt said. "The Big 12, we know that Oklahoma and Texas are gone. For any of our listeners, it sounds like Oklahoma State and Kansas State are going to the Pac-12. So that’s done. It sounds like West Virginia is gonna end up in the ACC, which would make sense with Virginia, Pitt, everybody there. And it sounds like Iowa State and Kansas, they’re the two schools that are gonna probably join the Big Ten here locally.Quote from: PhogI am interested in this Dave Wannstedt information.. He may be a drunken fool, but he's an honest drunken fool. He may have misspoke- or even misheard- but it's likely that he didn't misspeak or mishear the KU to the big 10 bit. I told you guys back in the Stone Ages of this thread that my sources absolutely confirmed that Goff/Girod had been in contact with the big 10 and that Goff and Girod had been in contact with Network Executives. Bet dollars to doughnuts that Dave Wannstedt is close with the Network Executives at Fox. And Fox is running the playbook for realignment for the big 10 and the PAC. Dave is more the kind of guy (based on my impression of him) that would be privy to this kind of information, and would remember the headline (KU to the big 10), but jumble up the rest (ISU/KSU/OkSt) in his memory because his brain is filled with malted hops and bong resin.. I'm just saying, I wouldn't completely dismiss it..
I've said since the get-go guys, this is about content and viewership. It's about money. We bring in more than we cost. Period.
:lol: :ROFL: :excited: :driving: :lol: :ROFL: :ROFL: Folks they got wheat to wave. There'll be no shortage of bread in the BIG with these :Carl:.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 24, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
Basketball content is literally dimes upon dimes, dozens upon dozens. Networks can fill basketball content for days upon days, nights upon nights. They need football content to deliver on Saturdays in the fall, that's why football drives this ship.
There are thousands of Iowa and Nebraska transplants in Kansas City, it's not like there's no one watching BiG football in Kansas City already. My goodness, at my parents church of decades in OP, it's like the good lord dumped Iowa and Corn fans upon that good Lutheran congregation (anecdotal, but true).
Post by: cfbandyman on August 24, 2021, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: Dave Wannstedt
“I was at the Fox meetings in Phoenix a week ago, and we were talking. A lot of the Big Ten people were there," Wannstedt said. "The Big 12, we know that Oklahoma and Texas are gone. For any of our listeners, it sounds like Oklahoma State and Kansas State are going to the Pac-12. So that’s done. It sounds like West Virginia is gonna end up in the ACC, which would make sense with Virginia, Pitt, everybody there. And it sounds like Iowa State and Kansas, they’re the two schools that are gonna probably join the Big Ten here locally.Quote from: PhogI am interested in this Dave Wannstedt information.. He may be a drunken fool, but he's an honest drunken fool. He may have misspoke- or even misheard- but it's likely that he didn't misspeak or mishear the KU to the big 10 bit. I told you guys back in the Stone Ages of this thread that my sources absolutely confirmed that Goff/Girod had been in contact with the big 10 and that Goff and Girod had been in contact with Network Executives. Bet dollars to doughnuts that Dave Wannstedt is close with the Network Executives at Fox. And Fox is running the playbook for realignment for the big 10 and the PAC. Dave is more the kind of guy (based on my impression of him) that would be privy to this kind of information, and would remember the headline (KU to the big 10), but jumble up the rest (ISU/KSU/OkSt) in his memory because his brain is filled with malted hops and bong resin.. I'm just saying, I wouldn't completely dismiss it..
I've said since the get-go guys, this is about content and viewership. It's about money. We bring in more than we cost. Period.
:lol: :ROFL: :excited: :driving: :lol: :ROFL: :ROFL: Folks they got wheat to wave. There'll be no shortage of bread in the BIG with these :Carl:.
The best is being nails on ku, but wishy washy on the rest, it's perfect
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2021, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: PhogI am interested in this Dave Wannstedt information.. He may be a drunken fool, but he's an honest drunken fool. He may have misspoke- or even misheard- but it's likely that he didn't misspeak or mishear the KU to the big 10 bit. I told you guys back in the Stone Ages of this thread that my sources absolutely confirmed that Goff/Girod had been in contact with the big 10 and that Goff and Girod had been in contact with Network Executives. Bet dollars to doughnuts that Dave Wannstedt is close with the Network Executives at Fox. And Fox is running the playbook for realignment for the big 10 and the PAC. Dave is more the kind of guy (based on my impression of him) that would be privy to this kind of information, and would remember the headline (KU to the big 10), but jumble up the rest (ISU/KSU/OkSt) in his memory because his brain is filled with malted hops and bong resin.. I'm just saying, I wouldn't completely dismiss it..
I've said since the get-go guys, this is about content and viewership. It's about money. We bring in more than we cost. Period.
This is the best thing I've read today, thank you for posting it.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on August 25, 2021, 08:25:50 AM
Quote from: Dave Wannstedt
“I was at the Fox meetings in Phoenix a week ago, and we were talking. A lot of the Big Ten people were there," Wannstedt said. "The Big 12, we know that Oklahoma and Texas are gone. For any of our listeners, it sounds like Oklahoma State and Kansas State are going to the Pac-12. So that’s done. It sounds like West Virginia is gonna end up in the ACC, which would make sense with Virginia, Pitt, everybody there. And it sounds like Iowa State and Kansas, they’re the two schools that are gonna probably join the Big Ten here locally.Quote from: PhogI am interested in this Dave Wannstedt information.. He may be a drunken fool, but he's an honest drunken fool. He may have misspoke- or even misheard- but it's likely that he didn't misspeak or mishear the KU to the big 10 bit. I told you guys back in the Stone Ages of this thread that my sources absolutely confirmed that Goff/Girod had been in contact with the big 10 and that Goff and Girod had been in contact with Network Executives. Bet dollars to doughnuts that Dave Wannstedt is close with the Network Executives at Fox. And Fox is running the playbook for realignment for the big 10 and the PAC. Dave is more the kind of guy (based on my impression of him) that would be privy to this kind of information, and would remember the headline (KU to the big 10), but jumble up the rest (ISU/KSU/OkSt) in his memory because his brain is filled with malted hops and bong resin.. I'm just saying, I wouldn't completely dismiss it..
I've said since the get-go guys, this is about content and viewership. It's about money. We bring in more than we cost. Period.
:lol: :ROFL: :excited: :driving: :lol: :ROFL: :ROFL: Folks they got wheat to wave. There'll be no shortage of bread in the BIG with these :Carl:.
The best is being nails on ku, but wishy washy on the rest, it's perfect
It is the most fan/fanatic post in the history of message board posts. "All of this stuff might be bullshit, but it probably isn't because it might not be. I am certain that the part about my team benefiting, is 100% true though."
Post by: Woogy on August 26, 2021, 12:32:37 PM
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Gene Taylor just seems like the kind of guy that has wired money to a Nigerian Prince after getting an email from him.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2021, 02:40:17 PM
You have dig through a lot of quartz to get to a genuine diamond.QuoteGene Taylor just seems like the kind of guy that has wired money to a Nigerian Prince after getting an email from him.
That's hilarious. Of course it's coming from the same people who worshipped a dude who ate ketchup off of a plate with a fork, but funny nonetheless.
Post by: Houstoncat93 on August 27, 2021, 09:18:30 AM
Post by: chum1 on August 27, 2021, 09:24:27 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 27, 2021, 09:26:56 AM
How is the Phog reconciling the facts that they are going to the Big10 and that their Pres is on the expansion committee?(https://media4.giphy.com/media/SvWn7ZZ8556PdSgp7U/200w.gif?cid=82a1493br31o32ftqvpl3h739afd9zd87ggiov8oi9po51hu&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
Post by: PurpleOil on August 30, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
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I got to chat a bit with my main source earlier today. So I can confirm he still firmly believes that "WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE".
He thinks that the Alliance has slowed things down a bit because it puts less pressure to expand. He thinks expansion will likely still happen but, we all need to be patient (I've said this before so this isn't new). He thinks over the course of the next 1-3 years we will see movement as GORs come up and conferences renegotiate and see what new media deals they get based upon what schools they can bring in.
The thing is u til OU and UT move, things are going to be stagnant. The Hateful 8 want that buyout money. They will all play nice until they get it. ESPN is trying to get out of cutting a big check. So OU/UT may actually be in the conference longer than originally thought if they can't negotiate down the buyout quite a bit or dissolve the conference. They could be in the conference until 2024 if the cost is just too much. That is why the Hateful 8 is looking at expanding to try and stabilize the conference more if things take longer than they hope. This is a safety net.
KU as a University is a very well recognized brand. The Jayhawk is one of the most recognizable mascots. Basketball is elite and brings in a ton of money and eyeballs and a breakaway from the NCAA turns the bball program into an absolute revenue generating monster. Long term conferences think this will be the end game, so KU will always be desirable to power conferences. Football improves to just average and you have a top 20 revenue University with pretty good academics. Because of this we WILL have a landing spot.
The big 10 is still very interested in us. If invited enough University Presidents like us, we will have the votes. The issue here is the media conglomerates that will be bidding on the new GOR. FOX isn't going to advocate the big 10 adding us now when all we do is dilute the pie. They will want us added before a new GOR is agreed because then the new media deal will be inclusive of the new schools. My source feels confident we land in the big 10 it's just waiting on the invite at this point.
Until then we have to play nice and go along with the Hateful 8 unfortunately which means expanding the conference. We will be very apprehensive to a new GOR and the likelihood of signing one is extremely low. He won't rule it out though because if by some off chance it's an offer we can't refuse, like Amazon comes in and offers a deal that would pay us like $50 million or something crazy and we keep our T3 rights, it's tough to walk away from that, especially knowing we would be the head honcho of the conference.
We just need to be patient, this is going to take a minute. But, have trust in our brand and the ability of our leadership. We are in a very very good spot.
KU, the new leaders of the conference.
Post by: Pete on August 30, 2021, 11:08:44 AM
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2021, 11:26:20 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on August 30, 2021, 11:51:43 AM
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Kansas State and Missouri fans each fear Kansas destroying anything they’ve ever accomplished in Football with even greater achievements in addition to dominating Football.
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I would imagine bball recruiting could improve for many of the teams in the big 10 if Kansas is in the conference. There'd be killer games nearly every week during basketball season.
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I actually get the KSU trolls though. They've attached themselves to us and we are about to shake them off like a dog with fleas. They are in for a rough few yea
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Now, if the SEC could find a way to monetize KU BB exponentially better, they'd be right on us, and Big Ten would have to move quickly or lose KU to a conference that I think would not fit nearly as well. Things are different than they were in 1994.
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The taters and mutards are each going to be completely and utterly down on life when we get into the big 10 and I'm not even talking smack lol... its going to be epic.
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I doubt the PAC 12 would want KSU. TT and OSU would be much more likely.
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We no longer have a seat at the Big Ten table. We have moved to the other room and are now in bed with the Big Ten. KSU and MU fans are going to hate when we are in the Big Ten.
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Every team in the XII wants to get in the P4. Only a few have a viable chance at doing so. That being said, every team should want a clause in a new GOR that lets a team leave for the P4 w/o sacrificing their media rights if done so through the proper channels. First, I know KU, OSU, TTU, WVU all believe they have a great shot at the P4, hell even ISU and TCU are holding out hope. So, just put the clause in the new GOR. It probably won't apply to 90% of these schools, but that would also give schools the option for upward mobility. So, if you're UCF, BYU, Cinncy, Houston, etc. you would definitely sign on, b/c it's going to better than your current situation, and you don't believe a mass exodus will occur. At best, they probably think 3 schools KU, OSU, TTU have a shot at the P4 in the near future, and, in that case, the conference would still be better than the one you left. I'm not an attorney, but that seems like an extremely reasonable clause to put in a GOR w/ little downside risk to schools w/o leverage, and keeps the conference moving forwards. There are no UT's or OU's left to that would cripple the conferene if they leave. As Giroud is on this committee, and I'm assuming he's not an idiot, I'm sure he's thought of this too.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah, I'm sure the new media contracts will allow schools to leave as they choose without penalty :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: ChiComCat on August 30, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
Eh, here's a few more, then I've got to get back to work.QuoteKansas State and Missouri fans each fear Kansas destroying anything they’ve ever accomplished in Football with even greater achievements in addition to dominating Football.QuoteI would imagine bball recruiting could improve for many of the teams in the big 10 if Kansas is in the conference. There'd be killer games nearly every week during basketball season.QuoteI actually get the KSU trolls though. They've attached themselves to us and we are about to shake them off like a dog with fleas. They are in for a rough few yeaQuoteNow, if the SEC could find a way to monetize KU BB exponentially better, they'd be right on us, and Big Ten would have to move quickly or lose KU to a conference that I think would not fit nearly as well. Things are different than they were in 1994.QuoteThe taters and mutards are each going to be completely and utterly down on life when we get into the big 10 and I'm not even talking smack lol... its going to be epic.QuoteI doubt the PAC 12 would want KSU. TT and OSU would be much more likely.QuoteWe no longer have a seat at the Big Ten table. We have moved to the other room and are now in bed with the Big Ten. KSU and MU fans are going to hate when we are in the Big Ten.QuoteEvery team in the XII wants to get in the P4. Only a few have a viable chance at doing so. That being said, every team should want a clause in a new GOR that lets a team leave for the P4 w/o sacrificing their media rights if done so through the proper channels. First, I know KU, OSU, TTU, WVU all believe they have a great shot at the P4, hell even ISU and TCU are holding out hope. So, just put the clause in the new GOR. It probably won't apply to 90% of these schools, but that would also give schools the option for upward mobility. So, if you're UCF, BYU, Cinncy, Houston, etc. you would definitely sign on, b/c it's going to better than your current situation, and you don't believe a mass exodus will occur. At best, they probably think 3 schools KU, OSU, TTU have a shot at the P4 in the near future, and, in that case, the conference would still be better than the one you left. I'm not an attorney, but that seems like an extremely reasonable clause to put in a GOR w/ little downside risk to schools w/o leverage, and keeps the conference moving forwards. There are no UT's or OU's left to that would cripple the conferene if they leave. As Giroud is on this committee, and I'm assuming he's not an idiot, I'm sure he's thought of this too.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah, I'm sure the new media contracts will allow schools to leave as they choose without penalty :lol: :lol: :lol:
You know, the type of contracts that don't do or mean anything.
Post by: catastrophe on August 30, 2021, 12:09:26 PM
Kind of like the start of every rom com. It’s like girl you don’t need the Big 10 to get over him, you just need to work on you.
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2021, 12:21:39 PM
My favorite theme is “KSU will be so sad/sorry/jealous when we’re in the Big 10.”I think the idea that Mizzou would be jealous is especially wild
Kind of like the start of every rom com. It’s like girl you don’t need the Big 10 to get over him, you just need to work on you.
Post by: _33 on August 30, 2021, 02:16:40 PM
Post by: KITNfury on August 30, 2021, 02:43:03 PM
I'm not a psychologist, but it's fascinating from that point of view.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on August 30, 2021, 03:57:43 PM
Look, I think they have a chance to end up in a power conference at some point. A chance. Their fragile egos won't even allow their brains to process that, though. They've got a colossal thread rationalizing every move how it "makes sense" and will play out in their favor without any substantial smoke that indicates it will happen.
I'm not a psychologist, but it's fascinating from that point of view.
yep, its the fan/fanatic part of it that is interesting/hilarious. There was a post a while back that someone copied here that basically said everything Dave Wanstedt (sp?) said was "probably" true, but it may all be bullshit except for the part about KU going to the B10. That part is def true. Its pretty weird when people think the things that benefit them are always true or right and the things that don't are BS and wrong. Humans are really pretty stupid if you think about it.
Post by: WildcatNation on August 30, 2021, 04:11:53 PM
Post by: KITNfury on August 30, 2021, 04:23:56 PM
Some poster there said something like “there are no real signs of Big 10 interest and KU may be stuck in the Big 12” and was proceeded to be insulted and attacked by about 30 people. What an truly crazy group of individuals.Yea, over they only buffoons would consider an alternate universe where the sec and big 10 are not fighting over KU.
Post by: wiley on August 30, 2021, 04:48:46 PM
Hell put on your own tourney in KC every year.
Post by: ben ji on August 30, 2021, 05:41:42 PM
Mizzou would be insanely jealous if KU got a BIG invite. Mizzou kicked off realignment 11 years ago by lifting their skirt to BIG at homecoming only to see BIG start making out with Nebraska during a slow dance.My favorite theme is “KSU will be so sad/sorry/jealous when we’re in the Big 10.”I think the idea that Mizzou would be jealous is especially wild
Kind of like the start of every rom com. It’s like girl you don’t need the Big 10 to get over him, you just need to work on you.
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2021, 05:45:10 PM
Yeah I know but they'd never say anything is better than the SEC nowMizzou would be insanely jealous if KU got a BIG invite. Mizzou kicked off realignment 11 years ago by lifting their skirt to BIG at homecoming only to see BIG start making out with Nebraska during a slow dance.My favorite theme is “KSU will be so sad/sorry/jealous when we’re in the Big 10.”I think the idea that Mizzou would be jealous is especially wild
Kind of like the start of every rom com. It’s like girl you don’t need the Big 10 to get over him, you just need to work on you.
Post by: deputy dawg on August 30, 2021, 07:23:10 PM
Some poster there said something like “there are no real signs of Big 10 interest and KU may be stuck in the Big 12” and was proceeded to be insulted and attacked by about 30 people. What an truly crazy group of individuals.
Quickest way to get banned on phog is to question the predicate that KU will have it's choice of conference affiliations. Or to mention that they have the worst P5 football program / stadium.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on August 30, 2021, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Phog
I completely agree that our actual value far exceeds our perception. Luckily, for us, the people who actually make these decisions only care about our actual value.
The stadium will be done entirely by private donations and some public loans. I think that the loans will be minimal, and the state could work something out where we pay more as our conference revenue increases. I’m hearing that the goal is at least $550M, although I believe that will go to more projects than just the stadium. A massive commitment like that won’t get signed off on by the biggest donors without the intent to land in a power conference. And I already know that major commitments have been made- before even seeing any kind of renditions. I confirmed that back on page 20 (or something)- my people told me that Goff basically only had to make 4 calls to ensure a significant initial investment. You have to believe that in order to make a significant commitment without even seeing the initial designs, Goff had to dangle a Power 4 offer in front the biggest donors.
I feel like the big 10 may have asked for some capital improvements which is the impetus behind this massive fund raiser. Goff and Girod connected with the big 10 Presidents and Athletic Directors when OuT was first announced, and those initial donations came in shortly after that. I’ve honestly felt like the big 10 was a done deal early on, and I’ve held on to that since page 1 (figuratively speaking). Even if the big 10 isn’t a done deal, Goff would be a fool to pass on this chance to stoke the donation potential that you see illustrated in this 800 page 1.5M view thread. I know I’ll donate, and if ever there was a time of need when you give whatever you can- this is it!
I think ESPN/Disney is going to try to dominate the best content in both football and basketball by controlling the T1/T2 contracts for the ACC and the SEC. And I think adding KU to either the SEC or the ACC means that Fox and the big 10/PAC will never have the better game on any Saturday, in the Fall and the Spring..
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2021, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on August 30, 2021, 09:05:12 PM
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We're a top tier organization with an iconic brand, I think we deserve an iconic stadium integrated with our campus that also honors our history - which for memorial stadium isn't football history, but also is part of KU's historically strong track and field history. If we can raise $500 mil to do it, they'll figure the nuts and bolts out.
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The B12 probably put him (Girod) on the committee because 1) he represents the best school left, and anyone who has questions is goin go to want answers only KU can answer, and 2) it's probably a last ditch effort to keep KU in the conference by seeing if KU can help negotiate a good enough deal.
I wouldn't be surprised if they offer us the same deal of a double share they are rumored to have offered UT/OU at the end to try to entice us to stay.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 30, 2021, 09:13:08 PM
Post by: Pete on August 30, 2021, 09:36:30 PM
Post by: _33 on August 30, 2021, 09:47:34 PM
Post by: thunderbowlt on August 30, 2021, 10:14:21 PM
Also, they are thinking that the rest of the Big 12 is going to offer KU double the money to stay in the conference, but who wants to stay in a conference that is so desperate they'd have to make an offer like that?
It is amazing how these guys can be so serious about this nonsense.
Post by: WildcatNation on August 30, 2021, 11:48:48 PM
Post by: catastrophe on August 30, 2021, 11:49:11 PM
How can people so dumb speak so confidently? It's kind of inspiring in a way.That’s basically the subject of a very popular Bertrand Russell quote.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2021, 01:34:28 AM
Spending $500 million on their current stadium would be the worst investment in collegiate athletic history. Topping Cal’s insane expenditure on their stadium which is now forcing the academic side to pony up tens of millions of dollars to keep Cal Athletics solvent.
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Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2021, 05:03:48 AM
Mizzou would be insanely jealous if KU got a BIG invite. Mizzou kicked off realignment 11 years ago by lifting their skirt to BIG at homecoming only to see BIG start making out with Nebraska during a slow dance.My favorite theme is “KSU will be so sad/sorry/jealous when we’re in the Big 10.”I think the idea that Mizzou would be jealous is especially wild
Kind of like the start of every rom com. It’s like girl you don’t need the Big 10 to get over him, you just need to work on you.
Yes, but that's because they didn't know the SEC was an option. Once they got that SEC invite they've never thought of the Big 10 again, especially after having success their first couple of years there. The SEC is a much better cultural fit for Mizzou. Maybe I don't know enough Mizzou grads but I couldn't imagine them being jealous of KU going to the Big 10 and being a worse version of Nebraska.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2021, 07:15:11 AM
Those that have exited have won the equivalent of a burning sack of dog crap on the front porch across the whole of their major sports.
KU Athletics: It’s been 53 years since we won a conference championship in football so we’re signing up for 53 more participation ribbons.
Post by: Pete on August 31, 2021, 07:48:07 AM
Hate to say it but the Big 12 had/has a lot of very low self esteem schools who would rather just slip into herd and let the greater collective try and raise their boat.
Those that have exited have won the equivalent of a burning sack of dog crap on the front porch across the whole of their major sports.
KU Athletics: It’s been 53 years since we won a conference championship in football so we’re signing up for 53 more participation ribbons.
I think everyone in KU leadership completely understands that football is merely there out of economic necessity. Donors who give to basketball don't really give a crap if football has to lose 100 games in a decade in order to pay some bills.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2021, 08:07:17 AM
KU Football BMD's: In wait and see mode for decades
I suppose the dumpster fire that is KU football was good for some nice smore'ing
Post by: Hurricane Cat on August 31, 2021, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: Phog regarding their new stadium
Build for your highs, not your lows. Also, the big 10 teams all travel better than B12 schools. If we become a consistent winner, we can definitely pull 55K KU fans alone. Need to at least allow for expansion as Leipold ramps this thing up. KC is just down the road, remember. There is potential for big 10 crowds at The Booth!
Quote from: Phog
Plus think of all the new fans you’ll pickup once KSU is removed from the major college football tier. I only half jest.
Quote from: Phog
This. We can probably go up to 70k. With all the winning we’ll be doing and D2 losing the taters will be doing, we’ll have a packed house every week
Quote from: Phog
If KU were to be in the BIG, and KSU something slightly better than current AAC, the inherent KU demographic just took a leap. How many are converted to tickets depends on success, but I’ll throw out a floor of 3k-5k. More when OSU comes to town every 10 years lol If successful, the ceiling is 75k rather than the previous 55k imo.
Quote from: Phog
If the stadium and atmosphere are designed right, people will want to show up for the experience even if we aren't winning yet.
Reading that board kinda makes me wish we had a brand new stadium and play in the Big Ten like our KU brothers
Post by: Katpappy on August 31, 2021, 11:11:11 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2021, 02:36:31 AM
Any AD looking to add substantial seating capacity, unless it’s woefully inadequate in its current state. Should be immediately relieved of his/her duties.
I believe we saw our last seating capacity substantial upward moves in P5 football with Nebraska, Texas A&M and Clown State.
Nebraska needed donors to buy up tickets to preserve the sellout streak. A&M has turned into a ridiculous diploma mill with over 60K students on campus and they tied a bunch of their tickets into bundles and season tickets in order to get tickets to the Alabama game.
Clown State will need to maintain their current level or they won’t fill their stadium.
Alabama has actually reduced stadium capacity slightly in their last renovation.
KU would be best served to turn their stadium into an amenities packed 50k seat stadium.
Post by: chum1 on September 01, 2021, 06:46:23 AM
Post by: meow meow on September 01, 2021, 07:06:25 AM
Post by: KITNfury on September 01, 2021, 07:17:09 AM
you guys are getting trolled big timeIf this is a KU version of "does it hurt or image to play Arkansas", I owe them major kudos.
I don't owe them major kudos.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 01, 2021, 07:18:50 AM
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Bring in Joe's Kansas City for ZMans while we watch beat downs.
In context, the KU poster was asserting that KU would be delivering the beatdowns.
Post by: Shooter Jones on September 01, 2021, 07:32:02 AM
Quote from: Phog......And I think adding KU to either the SEC or the ACC means that Fox and the big 10/PAC will never have the better game on any Saturday, in the Fall and the Spring......
HOLY crap
Post by: PurpleOil on September 01, 2021, 08:35:10 AM
you guys are getting trolled big time
No, these guys aren't trolling.
Post by: Woogy on September 01, 2021, 11:31:59 AM
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I am OK with a stadium that seats 60-65K as long as there are no bench seats! Tired of over weight people taking up two seats but paying for one.
Post by: thunderbowlt on September 01, 2021, 12:20:16 PM
This just really stands alone:QuoteI am OK with a stadium that seats 60-65K as long as there are no bench seats! Tired of over weight people taking up two seats but paying for one.
But isn't that how they get the 3,000 people who show up to look more like 5,000 for the cameras?
Post by: Spracne on September 01, 2021, 12:45:46 PM
you guys are getting trolled big time
No, these guys aren't trolling.
It's a little of both. Ridiculousness is kind of the point of the thread. Some are posting tongue-in-cheek comments, but many are oblivious to it and just getting hyped up by it. I'd say about 30/70 trolling/not trolling.
Post by: passranch on September 01, 2021, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: Phog
Once Big 10 fans discover Lawrence they will come in droves, much like Nebraska used to.
Quote from: Phog
Lawrence should really look at updating the airport too. Purdue has a robust aviation program, which we should lean into with a fly in day before their game.
Post by: Katpappy on September 01, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 01, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: PhogOnce Big 10 fans discover Lawrence they will come in droves, much like Nebraska used to.
This happened in Manhattan when I was growing up. Always heard the reason was that it was easier for their fans to get away game tickets than home game tickets. But maybe the real reason was Manhattan's proximity to Lawrence.
Post by: MadCat on September 02, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
Post by: Katpappy on September 02, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
There's a Runza in Lawrence. Just sayin
Never really cared for Russian Bierocks. :Yuck:
Post by: Houstoncat93 on September 02, 2021, 07:28:49 PM
Who's gonna tell them?
Post by: KCFDcat on September 02, 2021, 09:40:46 PM
https://theathletic.com/news/big-ten-considered-expansion-before-alliance-with-acc-pac-12/6ykd3i7Dlk68
Who's gonna tell them?
This is going to be their new Harbaugh.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 03, 2021, 02:00:51 PM
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When OU and Texas formally withdraw from the XII, if the big 10 doesn't act on issuing the invitation already promised, then off to the SEC we go along with the blueblood football and basketball programs from the ACC. All of this talk of confederacy vs. union from 150+ years ago will cease and desist (well, it probably won't but that doesn't matter) and KU will enjoy being a prosperous and contributing member of a conference that "gets it" while the big 10 and the PAC explore new ways of self-gratification.
I guess that KU should have gone with OU and Texas to the SEC, but they're holding out for the big 10 invite.
Post by: deputy dawg on September 03, 2021, 02:20:32 PM
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If people are worried about the $ they should crunch the numbers. KU could potentially live off road game payouts and national publicity. Take control of every aspect of your program the way Notre Dame does.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 03, 2021, 02:28:54 PM
QuoteIf people are worried about the $ they should crunch the numbers. KU could potentially live off road game payouts and national publicity. Take control of every aspect of your program the way Notre Dame does.
:love:
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 05, 2021, 11:36:02 AM
There's a Runza in Lawrence. Just sayin
Never really cared for Russian Bierocks. :Yuck:
As my friend says, "Lets go to Runza and see what we get."
Post by: KCFDcat on September 06, 2021, 07:50:35 PM
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So when does KU dip out after we sign these 4 new schools?
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If KU does there will be clauses that allow us to leave for the Big Ten with reduced buy outs. They know KU is not signing if not. If those rumor's are true (several are reporting it) then that might end up being cheaper for KU to leave than the current GOR. I truly believe we will be leaving soon and Girod and Goff know exactly what they are doing.
Post by: passranch on September 07, 2021, 04:27:22 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 07, 2021, 04:45:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 07, 2021, 05:36:33 PM
Lol. I saw that earlier, and to be fair, that post was roundly and appropriately mocked. How does that account work, anyway? Do people just DM content? Wondering how gE got a mention a few weeks back.
Yes. Some guy from Texas Tech rivals got super butthurt last week and asked them not to post "premium content." Dude really thinks whomever runs that account is reading all of these message boards.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 08, 2021, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: Phog
QuoteI don't think the SEC will mess with us because they know we have been working with the Big Ten for some time and that is where we are going to end up. Playing games with the Big Ten is what turned them off on Missouri.QuoteI disagree. Remember this is about who ends up as KING of the mountain. SEC pretty much has the Mountain in Football but Basketball is still available. Payoff maybe down the road 3 - 5 years but its there. They want to dominate college sports and this would give them the wins in the two most important arena's.Do you think the SEC wants the embarrassment of offering KU and then have us accept an offer to the Big Ten. I think the SEC knows that if they offer us that we will notify the Big Ten to tell them we have a SEC offer and the Big Ten will invite us. Whether it be #15 or #16. The Big Ten won't let us get away and let the SEC take another potential candidate off the map. I could see the SEC offering us thinking the Big Ten would take us if they think that it helps out OuT moving faster but if not I doubt it. If we try to play games with the Big Ten it won't end up well for us. The Big Ten doesn't like that. I think the Big Ten offer is coming we just need to be professional and work with the league and the schools in it.
That thread has over 25k posts and over 1.5M views... it's becoming a national joke.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 08, 2021, 02:59:15 PM
Would the conference be better off from a future tv contract without ku? Kstate and ku definitely overlap territory and their football ratings are the worst in the conference by far. Like, if they and only they left and we added another decent random football school that doesn’t overlap geographic boundaries with another current school-would we be better off, worse or about the same. I’m guessing about the same.
Post by: Pete on September 08, 2021, 03:09:17 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on September 08, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
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If the big 10 doesn't want us submit an application to the SEC, that's much better than being stuck in a conference with kstate/TCU/Cincy etc. We can try to down play it all we want but that's a huge step down for KU, plus less money and exposure
I understand culturally we don't fit in with SEC schools but we fit in much better with Mizzou/UT/OU/A&M/Kentucky/Bama/Tennessee/Florida etc, then we do with Kstate/Baylor/TCU/BYU/Memphis/Cincy for crying out loud and we would land in the most powerful stable conference in the country versus being relegated to a mid major.
Submit an App and see what happens, at least reach out to them and let them know we are definitely interested, a big 10 offer may never come our way in the next 20 years for all we know, so go to plan B, like you mentioned the SEC may see an instant attraction in becoming the premier basketball conference as well and with MU already in the fold as well as Kentucky, their is natural rivalries already in place with KU added , and then it opens up the door to possibly poach away UNC/Duke/Virginia from the ACC, which would make the SEC the most powerful football and basketball league by far, And if it forces the big 10 to deal their cards to send KU an offer then KU opens up the door that may have never opened up if we sit back and do nothing
Post by: MadCat on September 08, 2021, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: KITNfury on September 08, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: thunderbowlt on September 08, 2021, 04:41:27 PM
I have a question but I want everyone to know that I am actually being serious when I ask it…
Would the conference be better off from a future tv contract without ku? Kstate and ku definitely overlap territory and their football ratings are the worst in the conference by far. Like, if they and only they left and we added another decent random football school that doesn’t overlap geographic boundaries with another current school-would we be better off, worse or about the same. I’m guessing about the same.
They clearly don't want to be in the Big 12, so I think we should just ease their pain and send them packing right now.
It seems like they pretty much have the pick of where they want to go, or they could get a bidding war started between the conference for them, or they might even possibly be able to pull off starting a new league bringing in the best of all the conferences.
It's clear that we've been holding them back. I never want to be responsible for keeping anyone from reaching their full potential.
Post by: nicname on September 08, 2021, 08:30:09 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 08, 2021, 09:35:15 PM
Post by: MadCat on September 08, 2021, 10:18:36 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 09, 2021, 12:35:58 AM
Post by: Pete on September 09, 2021, 07:01:01 AM
alabama has tricked the SEC into inviting OU and Texas in order to destabilize the Big 12, and in doing so, the entire landscape of college football. once ou and texas join the SEC, alabama plans on quitting the conference and joining forces with ku to form their own two team super conference with just them, alabama, the kings of college football and ku, the kings of college basketball. the kings conference will reign supreme.
Heard the same from my Rabbi.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 09, 2021, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: Phog
We are wanted by the P4. Just not right now.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 10, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: PhogWe are wanted by the P4. Just not right now.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining <------ We are here
Depression
Acceptance
Post by: ChiComCat on September 10, 2021, 08:22:57 AM
Post by: Cire on September 10, 2021, 08:42:06 AM
Taking their case National
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Post by: deputy dawg on September 10, 2021, 08:59:38 AM
QuoteIf the big 10 doesn't want us submit an application to the SEC, that's much better than being stuck in a conference with kstate/TCU/Cincy etc. We can try to down play it all we want but that's a huge step down for KU, plus less money and exposure
I understand culturally we don't fit in with SEC schools but we fit in much better with Mizzou/UT/OU/A&M/Kentucky/Bama/Tennessee/Florida etc, then we do with Kstate/Baylor/TCU/BYU/Memphis/Cincy for crying out loud and we would land in the most powerful stable conference in the country versus being relegated to a mid major.
Submit an App and see what happens, at least reach out to them and let them know we are definitely interested, a big 10 offer may never come our way in the next 20 years for all we know, so go to plan B, like you mentioned the SEC may see an instant attraction in becoming the premier basketball conference as well and with MU already in the fold as well as Kentucky, their is natural rivalries already in place with KU added , and then it opens up the door to possibly poach away UNC/Duke/Virginia from the ACC, which would make the SEC the most powerful football and basketball league by far, And if it forces the big 10 to deal their cards to send KU an offer then KU opens up the door that may have never opened up if we sit back and do nothing
The evaluation of Moo as a basketball peer in this post priceless, and would be unthinkable for KU fans in any other context.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 10, 2021, 09:20:59 AM
Post by: passranch on September 10, 2021, 04:37:11 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 11, 2021, 08:33:15 AM
I love how they keep taking about "submitting an application and see what happens" as if SEC, Big Ten or whatever are a Wendy's. :ROFL:
I prefer to think of it as like monster.com for them
Post by: Pete on September 11, 2021, 08:43:05 AM
QuoteIf the big 10 doesn't want us submit an application to the SEC, that's much better than being stuck in a conference with kstate/TCU/Cincy etc. We can try to down play it all we want but that's a huge step down for KU, plus less money and exposure
I understand culturally we don't fit in with SEC schools but we fit in much better with Mizzou/UT/OU/A&M/Kentucky/Bama/Tennessee/Florida etc, then we do with Kstate/Baylor/TCU/BYU/Memphis/Cincy for crying out loud and we would land in the most powerful stable conference in the country versus being relegated to a mid major.
Submit an App and see what happens, at least reach out to them and let them know we are definitely interested, a big 10 offer may never come our way in the next 20 years for all we know, so go to plan B, like you mentioned the SEC may see an instant attraction in becoming the premier basketball conference as well and with MU already in the fold as well as Kentucky, their is natural rivalries already in place with KU added , and then it opens up the door to possibly poach away UNC/Duke/Virginia from the ACC, which would make the SEC the most powerful football and basketball league by far, And if it forces the big 10 to deal their cards to send KU an offer then KU opens up the door that may have never opened up if we sit back and do nothing
The evaluation of Moo as a basketball peer in this post priceless, and would be unthinkable for KU fans in any other context.
The best part is how clueless the poster is about the reality that KU has been on their knees begging both of those conferences for an invitation to submit an application, only to be told "No."
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 11, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
QuoteIf the big 10 doesn't want us submit an application to the SEC, that's much better than being stuck in a conference with kstate/TCU/Cincy etc. We can try to down play it all we want but that's a huge step down for KU, plus less money and exposure
I understand culturally we don't fit in with SEC schools but we fit in much better with Mizzou/UT/OU/A&M/Kentucky/Bama/Tennessee/Florida etc, then we do with Kstate/Baylor/TCU/BYU/Memphis/Cincy for crying out loud and we would land in the most powerful stable conference in the country versus being relegated to a mid major.
Submit an App and see what happens, at least reach out to them and let them know we are definitely interested, a big 10 offer may never come our way in the next 20 years for all we know, so go to plan B, like you mentioned the SEC may see an instant attraction in becoming the premier basketball conference as well and with MU already in the fold as well as Kentucky, their is natural rivalries already in place with KU added , and then it opens up the door to possibly poach away UNC/Duke/Virginia from the ACC, which would make the SEC the most powerful football and basketball league by far, And if it forces the big 10 to deal their cards to send KU an offer then KU opens up the door that may have never opened up if we sit back and do nothing
The evaluation of Moo as a basketball peer in this post priceless, and would be unthinkable for KU fans in any other context.
The best part is how clueless the poster is about the reality that KU has been on their knees begging both of those conferences for an invitation to submit an application, only to be told "No."
How dense do you have to be to not realize that KU fall behind Okie State, T-Tech and WV in any SEC expansion pecking order? The SEC people still hold their nose at Missouri, ffs, they would never sink to inviting KU.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 12, 2021, 12:37:01 AM
QuoteIf the big 10 doesn't want us submit an application to the SEC, that's much better than being stuck in a conference with kstate/TCU/Cincy etc. We can try to down play it all we want but that's a huge step down for KU, plus less money and exposure
I understand culturally we don't fit in with SEC schools but we fit in much better with Mizzou/UT/OU/A&M/Kentucky/Bama/Tennessee/Florida etc, then we do with Kstate/Baylor/TCU/BYU/Memphis/Cincy for crying out loud and we would land in the most powerful stable conference in the country versus being relegated to a mid major.
Submit an App and see what happens, at least reach out to them and let them know we are definitely interested, a big 10 offer may never come our way in the next 20 years for all we know, so go to plan B, like you mentioned the SEC may see an instant attraction in becoming the premier basketball conference as well and with MU already in the fold as well as Kentucky, their is natural rivalries already in place with KU added , and then it opens up the door to possibly poach away UNC/Duke/Virginia from the ACC, which would make the SEC the most powerful football and basketball league by far, And if it forces the big 10 to deal their cards to send KU an offer then KU opens up the door that may have never opened up if we sit back and do nothing
The evaluation of Moo as a basketball peer in this post priceless, and would be unthinkable for KU fans in any other context.
The best part is how clueless the poster is about the reality that KU has been on their knees begging both of those conferences for an invitation to submit an application, only to be told "No."
How dense do you have to be to not realize that KU fall behind Okie State, T-Tech and WV in any SEC expansion pecking order? The SEC people still hold their nose at Missouri, ffs, they would never sink to inviting KU.
I really don't see any value at all in Tech as an expansion option. I would think the SEC would prefer getting either Kansas school over them.
Post by: KITNfury on September 13, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
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KU + USC to the big 10 equals UT + OU in my humble opinion.
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Getting KU is important for the BIG. Reasonable fit and not bad linear revenue for BTN, but also strategically, as KU in the SEC could swing UNC and Co to the SEC.
There’s too much money to be made off the tournament and soon streaming for basketball brands to be excluded in the next moves.
As soon as UT folded and went SEC, it became apparent we are on our way to a P2 of 32-48 teams with a revenue generating North-South polarization. KU adds the most the North-South hype facing MU.
Post by: nicname on September 14, 2021, 12:29:21 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2021, 03:34:16 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2021, 09:17:30 AM
For KU Basketball to bring true value to the Big 10 conference and the many mouths it needs to feed. KU basketball would have to make deep runs in the NCAA tournament every single year. Otherwise, just one or two deep NCAA tourney runs over a 6 year period amounts to relative chump change each fiscal year for the individual Big 10 schools. They can sell a couple of more suites at their football stadiums and make more money than what that individual school payout would be from KU's earned units in a given fiscal year.
I know KU t-Shirt fan thinks they're going to the Final Four every year, but that isn't reality. A round of 32 exit means KU basketball produces just two units in the payout formula, add another unit if they're the automatic qualifier from the conference. Granted if the formula stays the same, those 2 or 3 units payout each year for five or six years, but once the conference keeps their % and then divides it up among 13 plus other schools . . . it's a rounding error for a school like Ohio State.
The BiG is already well represented in the NCAA tourney every season and football comprises 80% to 85% of the value of conference media contracts.
Post by: meow meow on September 14, 2021, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2021, 09:43:48 AM
Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans.
Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity. Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.
If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12. The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12. This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity. It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.
But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC. So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal.
I wish them the best though.
Post by: ChiComCat on September 14, 2021, 09:57:03 AM
If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football
Might as well address a unicorn
Post by: KITNfury on September 14, 2021, 10:25:27 AM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on September 14, 2021, 01:23:30 PM
As I've said before, the BiG already has a level of market presence in KC because of the number of Iowa and Nebraska transplants that live in the KC Metro.
Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans.
Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity. Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.
If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12. The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12. This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity. It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.
But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC. So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal.
I wish them the best though.
I've never understood "conference pride". I give no shits about the other teams and hope they lose every game against my team. I get zero of the dollars personally so as long as my team is reasonably taken care of, it doesn't matter an ounce to me what conference they are in. The ding dongs in the SEC and BIG that lose 5 games minimum every year and then cheer for Alabama and Ohio State in the playoffs are super weird.
Post by: WildcatNation on September 15, 2021, 03:00:27 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 15, 2021, 07:17:49 AM
Quote from: phogSeriously. What are they going to do, kick us out? Without UT/OU we just became the UT/OU of the league.
How can people so dumb speak so confidently? It's kind of inspiring in a way.
:Rusty:
Post by: stunted on September 15, 2021, 09:17:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2021, 09:28:43 AM
I have also heard in multiple places that the BiG told KU thanks but no thanks.
The BiG knows they made a BiG mistake by bringing in Rutgers and Maryland and they're not bringing another school who moves zero needles in the only sport that matters.
I'll say it gain, the BiG is already loaded with quality basketball content and basketball drives 15% to 20% of the value of conference media contracts, tops, and that's with throwing every other non football sports into the mix as well.
As far as basketball goes relative to the NCAA tourney payout. If the formula remains the same, the BiG has to ask would a KU be a +1 to all the other usual BiG teams that go to the NCAA tourney every year, or would KU possibly bump a current BiG regular out. I'd say that's going to be a coinflip every year, so some years the BiG may literally net nothing from having KU Basketball while having more mouths to feed at the same time.
For the schools that place value on mere membership and sucking at the rear teats, why do you want football hind teater KU nuzzling into position at the back with you? I suppose if you're a Cornhole fan and if you ever get good again, you'll have an easy road trip and lots of your fellow Cornhole fans to party with in Lawrence just like days of yore. On the flipside, if you're Minn, IL, Iowa or Cornhole, why do want another BiG school in your region when you can walk into places like KC and STL and try to grab kids on the back of BiG membership?
Post by: ChiComCat on September 15, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
KU Football!
Post by: Cire on September 15, 2021, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on September 15, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
As I've said before, the BiG already has a level of market presence in KC because of the number of Iowa and Nebraska transplants that live in the KC Metro.
Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans.
Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity. Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.
If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12. The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12. This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity. It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.
But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC. So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal.
I wish them the best though.
KU is not unusual in this respect, only unusual in how open they are in pursuing revenue. OU/UT to SEC was more financially driven than meeting the needs of the fan base. UT has always been an inconsiderate conference partner (see SW Conference history), and OU has more recently been an inconsiderate conference partner with their griping about 11am starts. UT's interval of decency was when they had former KSU AD Deloss Dodds leading their athletic department, they've been disgusting pigs in terms of conference partners since he retired (see Longhorn Network).
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2021, 01:26:41 PM
As I've said before, the BiG already has a level of market presence in KC because of the number of Iowa and Nebraska transplants that live in the KC Metro.
Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans.
Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity. Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.
If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12. The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12. This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity. It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.
But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC. So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal.
I wish them the best though.
I've never understood "conference pride". I give no shits about the other teams and hope they lose every game against my team. I get zero of the dollars personally so as long as my team is reasonably taken care of, it doesn't matter an ounce to me what conference they are in. The ding dongs in the SEC and BIG that lose 5 games minimum every year and then cheer for Alabama and Ohio State in the playoffs are super weird.
It's truly a site to behold. But I am surrounded by fans of schools who collectively haven't won a conference football title in over 4 centuries.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2021, 01:43:54 PM
As I've said before, the BiG already has a level of market presence in KC because of the number of Iowa and Nebraska transplants that live in the KC Metro.
Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans.
Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity. Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.
If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12. The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12. This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity. It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.
But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC. So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal.
I wish them the best though.
KU is not unusual in this respect, only unusual in how open they are in pursuing revenue. OU/UT to SEC was more financially driven than meeting the needs of the fan base. UT has always been an inconsiderate conference partner (see SW Conference history), and OU has more recently been an inconsiderate conference partner with their griping about 11am starts. UT's interval of decency was when they had former KSU AD Deloss Dodds leading their athletic department, they've been disgusting pigs in terms of conference partners since he retired (see Longhorn Network).
There are good points.
KU fans are now declaring KU the leader of the new Big 12 (until they go to the BiG of course).
If that's even remotely the case, that simply does not bode well for the Big 12. It's not that far of a stretch to think that it may be better for the new Big 12 to jettison KU and it's awful football program on to someone else. Basketball carries very little weight for conference wide media rights negotiations. The Big 12's 'lead' product cannot be basketball or Gene Taylor will be proven to be completely wrong and revenue will plummet. Basketball is not power conference sustaining on any conceivable level.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2021, 01:51:45 PM
Kentucky has a much better basketball and football program, in the SEC, and everyone still thinks of them as meh.
Here is how I perceive the SEC pecking order, ranked from last to first:
Vandy
Missouri
Miss State/Ole Miss/South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Post by: Winters on September 15, 2021, 01:59:06 PM
I'd put Mizzou over the Mississippi schools but that is pretty dead on.Kentucky has a much better basketball and football program, in the SEC, and everyone still thinks of them as meh.
Here is how I perceive the SEC pecking order, ranked from last to first:
Vandy
Missouri
Miss State/Ole Miss/South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Post by: nicname on September 15, 2021, 02:12:43 PM
I'd put Mizzou over the Mississippi schools but that is pretty dead on.Kentucky has a much better basketball and football program, in the SEC, and everyone still thinks of them as meh.
Here is how I perceive the SEC pecking order, ranked from last to first:
Vandy
Missouri
Miss State/Ole Miss/South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Vandy
Miss State
Arkansas
Mizzou
So Car
Ole Miss
Kentucky
ATM
Tennessee
Auburn
Oklahoma
Texas
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2021, 03:18:06 PM
Post by: MadCat on September 15, 2021, 03:55:15 PM
the Board of Governors should 100% Temple themWhat does this mean?
Post by: nicname on September 15, 2021, 03:58:15 PM
the Board of Governors should 100% Temple themWhat does this mean?
Give them the boot.
Post by: nicname on September 15, 2021, 04:03:15 PM
Post by: passranch on September 15, 2021, 04:04:46 PM
the Board of Governors should 100% Temple themWhat does this mean?
https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004625/http://nytimes.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120817173242625024008
"The Owls had 10 seasons of one or two victories spanning their Big East years of 1991-2004. The Owls were evicted from the Big East after 13 years for failing to meet minimum requirements for membership, most notably in attendance, facilities and fielding a competitive team."
Post by: Shooter Jones on September 15, 2021, 04:48:45 PM
Post by: MadCat on September 15, 2021, 07:39:58 PM
Thanks! I had no idea conferences would actually evict a school. I wonder how close Nebraska is to evictionthe Board of Governors should 100% Temple themWhat does this mean?
https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004625/http://nytimes.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120817173242625024008
"The Owls had 10 seasons of one or two victories spanning their Big East years of 1991-2004. The Owls were evicted from the Big East after 13 years for failing to meet minimum requirements for membership, most notably in attendance, facilities and fielding a competitive team."
Post by: joda on September 15, 2021, 09:23:17 PM
Thanks! I had no idea conferences would actually evict a school. I wonder how close Nebraska is to evictionthe Board of Governors should 100% Temple themWhat does this mean?
https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004625/http://nytimes.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120817173242625024008
"The Owls had 10 seasons of one or two victories spanning their Big East years of 1991-2004. The Owls were evicted from the Big East after 13 years for failing to meet minimum requirements for membership, most notably in attendance, facilities and fielding a competitive team."
I don’t think the B10 would evict Nubb. They’re an easy win for the big boys but with enough name recognition it looks like a good win even if it’s not. Rutgers is far and away first on the chopping block for the B10.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
Post by: thunderbowlt on September 16, 2021, 01:41:53 AM
If they continue to not be publicly committed to the conference, the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them. I mean what do they offer that Memphis doesn't? Not kidding ether.
According to the Big 12 Bylaws -
"A Member (a “Withdrawing Member”) may Withdraw, or shall be deemed to have Withdrawn, as a Member of the Conference: (i) if it gives notice of the intent to Withdraw to the Conference; or (ii) if a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors by affirmative vote determines that such Member: (A) makes statements or takes actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to evidence the intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future; ... or (D) if a Member otherwise takes or fails to take actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to be contrary to the best interests of the Conference taken as a whole."
It seems to me that with the AD out there blabbing that they'd jump ship at a moment's notice if they could that it would definitely be easy to tell them not to let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.
Post by: WildcatNation on September 16, 2021, 04:14:34 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 16, 2021, 08:27:52 AM
If they continue to not be publicly committed to the conference, the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them. I mean what do they offer that Memphis doesn't? Not kidding ether.
According to the Big 12 Bylaws -
"A Member (a “Withdrawing Member”) may Withdraw, or shall be deemed to have Withdrawn, as a Member of the Conference: (i) if it gives notice of the intent to Withdraw to the Conference; or (ii) if a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors by affirmative vote determines that such Member: (A) makes statements or takes actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to evidence the intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future; ... or (D) if a Member otherwise takes or fails to take actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to be contrary to the best interests of the Conference taken as a whole."
It seems to me that with the AD out there blabbing that they'd jump ship at a moment's notice if they could that it would definitely be easy to tell them not to let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.
Kicking KU out of this conference after losing OU and UT would be such a boss move for the Big XII leadership... which is why I know it'll never happen.
“What will happen here is that the BIG XII will expand to 14 teams and this will cause paranoia in the big 10 Conference and to counter that they will steal Kansas. Goff and Girod know how the game works.”
:lol: :ROFL: :lol: :ROFL: :lol: :ROFL:
Post by: wiley on September 16, 2021, 10:56:33 AM
Post by: thunderbowlt on September 16, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
The more they hear about how the rest of the Big 12 wasn't happy with Goff's comments about looking elsewhere, the more they think he's doing all the right things, and they couldn't be more proud of him. They laugh at Gene for saying positive things about the conference.
That place is so aptly named the 'phog'. Those minds are just so fogged up over there, it's like you're in a dream, and you know you're in a dream, and you're just watching all this stuff that looks kind of real, but is just so detached from reality. One minute this whole beautiful plan falls into place to be in the Big 10, but, then, wait, we're in the ACC? Oh cool! But why are we all excited to play USC? Oh, no, we're in the PAC 12. And we have the SEC shaking in their boots now, because now that KU is going to be in the Big 10 with Ohio State and Michigan, we have ALL the control. lol Oh, and those idiots over there at KSUck can't face the reality that they're stuck in the Big 12. lol
Post by: _33 on September 16, 2021, 12:41:59 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on September 17, 2021, 12:29:25 PM
- Worst football program in the P5 several years running
- Worst football stadium in P5
It never ceases to amaze me that these people are blind to this, and are forever stuck in this delusion that Lawrence is one of the best college towns in the country ( ! ), and that KU is an elite academic institution. When I first graduated and moved to KC for my first job, I rented a house with a KU grad who constantly referred to K-State as a glorified vo-tech school, and KU as Harvard of the Plains. He stopped when he learned that I couldn't stop laughing every time he said it.
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Too bad absolutely none of the phoggies are cognizant of two huge barriers to their value in realignment:
- Worst football program in the P5 several years running
- Worst football stadium in P5
It never ceases to amaze me that these people are blind to this, and are forever stuck in this delusion that Lawrence is one of the best college towns in the country ( ! ), and that KU is an elite academic institution. When I first graduated and moved to KC for my first job, I rented a house with a KU grad who constantly referred to K-State as a glorified vo-tech school, and KU as Harvard of the Plains. He stopped when he learned that I couldn't stop laughing every time he said it.
Undoubtedly philosophers are in the right, when they tell us that nothing is great or little otherwise than by comparison.
Post by: Shooter Jones on September 17, 2021, 01:08:21 PM
Too bad absolutely none of the phoggies are cognizant of two huge barriers to their value in realignment:
- Worst football program in the P5 several years running
- Worst football stadium in P5
It never ceases to amaze me that these people are blind to this, and are forever stuck in this delusion that Lawrence is one of the best college towns in the country ( ! ), and that KU is an elite academic institution. When I first graduated and moved to KC for my first job, I rented a house with a KU grad who constantly referred to K-State as a glorified vo-tech school, and KU as Harvard of the Plains. He stopped when he learned that I couldn't stop laughing every time he said it.
I recently read a KU post that they are ranked like 298th or something in the world university rankings as proof they are elite. And I was sold.
Also, say it with me, Jerry..... ENDOWMENT
Post by: Stupid Fitz on September 17, 2021, 01:32:39 PM
Too bad absolutely none of the phoggies are cognizant of two huge barriers to their value in realignment:
- Worst football program in the P5 several years running
- Worst football stadium in P5
It never ceases to amaze me that these people are blind to this, and are forever stuck in this delusion that Lawrence is one of the best college towns in the country ( ! ), and that KU is an elite academic institution. When I first graduated and moved to KC for my first job, I rented a house with a KU grad who constantly referred to K-State as a glorified vo-tech school, and KU as Harvard of the Plains. He stopped when he learned that I couldn't stop laughing every time he said it.
They are a strange bunch for sure. I worked with a guy who grew up and went to Iowa and then grad school at an SEC school. One day, he just randomly asks me, "what is up with KU fans?" I just laughed and said, what do you mean? He said, "i've been here like 2-3 years now and I've never been around fans like this. They are the most arrogant fan base I've ever seen and I grew up in Big 10 country and went to school down south". I just laughed my ass off and said, yep, that's about right and walked on.
Post by: ben ji on September 17, 2021, 08:05:10 PM
My friend had started dating a girl who went to KU and brought her to a watch party where she met all of the friends for the first time.
Eventually the conversation went like this (We thought she was joking at first but she wouldnt back down)
Friend1 "So now that you are dating (our friend) are you going to start cheering for kstate too"?
Girl "Never, I can't stand K-state, their trashy"
Friend1 "Excuse me, everyone here is trashy?"
Girl "Kind of yeah, just trashy, KU is a much better school and the fans are classier"
Friend1 "So you think KU grads are better than Kstate grads?"
Girl "Yes, absolutely"
Friend1 "Are you kidding me? YOU GREW UP IN A SPLIT LEVEL HOUSE, YOUR NOT BETTER THAN US"
The girl immediately started blushing and stopped the conversation.
Later I asked friend1 how he knew she grew up in a split level house since we had just met her that night and he said "I didn't but I knew she grew up close to your parents and they have a split level house so I took a guess"
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Oh man, all this uppity KU fan talk reminds me of a great story that happened the first time the Katz played Stanford a couple of years ago and possibly the best one liner of all time.
My friend had started dating a girl who went to KU and brought her to a watch party where she met all of the friends for the first time.
Eventually the conversation went like this (We thought she was joking at first but she wouldnt back down)
Friend1 "So now that you are dating (our friend) are you going to start cheering for kstate too"?
Girl "Never, I can't stand K-state, their trashy"
Friend1 "Excuse me, everyone here is trashy?"
Girl "Kind of yeah, just trashy, KU is a much better school and the fans are classier"
Friend1 "So you think KU grads are better than Kstate grads?"
Girl "Yes, absolutely"
Friend1 "Are you kidding me? YOU GREW UP IN A SPLIT LEVEL HOUSE, YOUR NOT BETTER THAN US"
The girl immediately started blushing and stopped the conversation.
Later I asked friend1 how he knew she grew up in a split level house since we had just met her that night and he said "I didn't but I knew she grew up close to your parents and they have a split level house so I took a guess"
Well, we're certainly better at navigating the treacherous waters of homophones. I also take umbrage with the gauche premise that the kind of house one grew up in defines one's value as a person. Lastly, Friend1 sounds trashy.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 17, 2021, 09:58:11 PM
Oh man, all this uppity KU fan talk reminds me of a great story that happened the first time the Katz played Stanford a couple of years ago and possibly the best one liner of all time.
My friend had started dating a girl who went to KU and brought her to a watch party where she met all of the friends for the first time.
Eventually the conversation went like this (We thought she was joking at first but she wouldnt back down)
Friend1 "So now that you are dating (our friend) are you going to start cheering for kstate too"?
Girl "Never, I can't stand K-state, their trashy"
Friend1 "Excuse me, everyone here is trashy?"
Girl "Kind of yeah, just trashy, KU is a much better school and the fans are classier"
Friend1 "So you think KU grads are better than Kstate grads?"
Girl "Yes, absolutely"
Friend1 "Are you kidding me? YOU GREW UP IN A SPLIT LEVEL HOUSE, YOUR NOT BETTER THAN US"
The girl immediately started blushing and stopped the conversation.
Later I asked friend1 how he knew she grew up in a split level house since we had just met her that night and he said "I didn't but I knew she grew up close to your parents and they have a split level house so I took a guess"
Well, we're certainly better at navigating the treacherous waters of homophones. I also take umbrage with the gauche premise that the kind of house one grew up in defines one's value as a person. Lastly, Friend1 sounds trashy.
The moral of the story is she ended up judging herself the same way she judged K-State grads, thus realizing her own shortcomings.
Post by: waks on September 17, 2021, 10:10:16 PM
Post by: nicname on September 17, 2021, 10:25:50 PM
TIL that split-level homes are considered trashy or lesser than other homes. I've never lived in one but I feel like I've been in some nice ones. Upon Googling it appears they are cheaper to build due to a lack of excavation and need for retaining walls so maybe that's where the perception comes from?
There are a crap-load of them in Olathe. JOCOs look down their noses at Olathites, or at least they used to.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 18, 2021, 01:25:08 PM
TIL that split-level homes are considered trashy or lesser than other homes. I've never lived in one but I feel like I've been in some nice ones. Upon Googling it appears they are cheaper to build due to a lack of excavation and need for retaining walls so maybe that's where the perception comes from?
There are a crap-load of them in Olathe. JOCOs look down their noses at Olathites, or at least they used to.
Yep! This is what it's about. I had one JoCo tell me Olathe is the RC Cola of all the KC suburbs.
Post by: waks on September 18, 2021, 06:29:34 PM
Funny comparo no doubt but JoCo can GTFOOMF w/ the snobberyTIL that split-level homes are considered trashy or lesser than other homes. I've never lived in one but I feel like I've been in some nice ones. Upon Googling it appears they are cheaper to build due to a lack of excavation and need for retaining walls so maybe that's where the perception comes from?
There are a crap-load of them in Olathe. JOCOs look down their noses at Olathites, or at least they used to.
Yep! This is what it's about. I had one JoCo tell me Olathe is the RC Cola of all the KC suburbs.
Post by: Cire on September 21, 2021, 02:06:51 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 21, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
I work with people who absolutely think that KU is "harder to get into" than kstate
Seems like this should be pretty easy to figure out arithmetically.
Post by: catastrophe on September 21, 2021, 02:38:26 PM
I work with people who absolutely think that KU is "harder to get into" than kstateI don’t get that talking point, but regardless I think MIR hinted at it elsewhere that the comical part is KU folks being convinced that, outside of the Lawrence/KC Megaplex, there is any perceived difference between a KU and KSU degree. With of course the exception of specific programs within the schools that have their own prestige.
It’s just funny to think a recruiter in Florida, Texas, California, DC, New York, etc. would look at a resumes of candidates who got BS degrees in business from KU vs. KSU as being any different at all.
Post by: MadCat on September 21, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 21, 2021, 03:01:14 PM
Post by: manpow5 on September 21, 2021, 03:32:46 PM
TIL that split-level homes are considered trashy or lesser than other homes. I've never lived in one but I feel like I've been in some nice ones. Upon Googling it appears they are cheaper to build due to a lack of excavation and need for retaining walls so maybe that's where the perception comes from?
There are a crap-load of them in Olathe. JOCOs look down their noses at Olathites, or at least they used to.
Yep! This is what it's about. I had one JoCo tell me Olathe is the RC Cola of all the KC suburbs.
I mean.... if the shoe fits :dunno:
Post by: IPA4Me on September 21, 2021, 03:35:41 PM
I went to KState.
Oh a Jayhawker
Uh. No. Wildcats.
Or they see a logo shirt....
Oh. Cool. Northwestern is a good school.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 21, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
In 2020, acceptance rate for K-State was 95.4% whereas KU was 93.1%. :dunno:
The admissions requirements appear to be exactly the same...
https://www.k-state.edu/admissions/undergrad/manhattan/apply/incoming-freshmen/requirements.html
https://admissions.ku.edu/apply
Post by: bucket on September 21, 2021, 04:42:27 PM
Most people don't know the difference outside if B12 country.
I went to KState.
Oh a Jayhawker
Uh. No. Wildcats.
Or they see a logo shirt....
Oh. Cool. Northwestern is a good school.
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I have a couple Wildcats shirts that don't say K-State they just have old school Willy and Wildcats so I'm more forgiving.
Post by: Fedor on September 21, 2021, 04:43:24 PM
This is and indication we get higher quality applicants as well. :gocho:In 2020, acceptance rate for K-State was 95.4% whereas KU was 93.1%. :dunno:
The admissions requirements appear to be exactly the same...
https://www.k-state.edu/admissions/undergrad/manhattan/apply/incoming-freshmen/requirements.html
https://admissions.ku.edu/apply
Post by: KITNfury on September 21, 2021, 06:43:56 PM
Post by: nicname on September 21, 2021, 07:59:37 PM
It was a few days ago, so I technically could find some quotes, but there were some discussion as to whether Duke would be desirable to other conferences. I think the general consensus was no, at least by some. Thought that was interesting.
I think I read the same post. Something along the lines of UVA and, especially UNC, wouldn’t leave Duke behind. Though they believed that may all change 5-10 years post K if their Bball brand diminishes. Talked about how it was a similar situation to us, but the difference was KU has long wanted to rid themselves of the purple albatross around their neck. It was quite ironic IMO.
Another gem was found in their cfb week 3 other games thread. Poster was bitching about us whipping ass, how the taters better not have found another Snyder, and how the only way to surpass us in football would likely be a B10/SEC invite that would give them more money.
Post by: Spracne on September 21, 2021, 08:24:58 PM
Post by: Cire on September 21, 2021, 09:12:01 PM
We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.Tell us how many ku threads are on the first page!
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Post by: KITNfury on September 21, 2021, 09:18:56 PM
We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.I charge rent for my brain space, so.....
Post by: Spracne on September 21, 2021, 09:22:45 PM
We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.I charge rent for my brain space, so.....
Do you have a written lease I can examine to back up your claim?
Post by: KITNfury on September 21, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
Rents due [redacted]We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.I charge rent for my brain space, so.....
Do you have a written lease I can examine to back up your claim?
Post by: Spracne on September 21, 2021, 10:25:38 PM
Rents due [redacted]We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.I charge rent for my brain space, so.....
Do you have a written lease I can examine to back up your claim?
No written proof, then? I'm sorry, but the 38-year lease you've given KU in your dome piece is not enforceable unless in writing. Sorry, but that's the statute of frauds for you. That means KU is now a tenant at will, and on behalf of KU please accept our notice of intent to vacate. We owe you one month's rent. PM me your address and I'll send payment for FMV of the real estate for 1 month.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 22, 2021, 06:36:34 AM
Rents due [redacted]We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.I charge rent for my brain space, so.....
Do you have a written lease I can examine to back up your claim?
No written proof, then? I'm sorry, but the 38-year lease you've given KU in your dome piece is not enforceable unless in writing. Sorry, but that's the statute of frauds for you. That means KU is now a tenant at will, and on behalf of KU please accept our notice of intent to vacate. We owe you one month's rent. PM me your address and I'll send payment for FMV of the real estate for 1 month.
Funny post, but you've been on the phog. We're not the ones with the complex.
Post by: jonsjasper on September 22, 2021, 08:59:27 AM
Most people don't know the difference outside if B12 country.
attended and worked at 2 big 10 schools. previously lived in big 10 country, and now in the middle of ACC land. still work in higher ed.
sports-wise, definitely see more KU stuff and their bball program is obviously the larger national brand. no denying it's something for them to hang their hats on while college bball is still even a thing.
but the delusion of KU being some kind of academic powerhouse, with kstate paling in comparison, is hilarious. once you get outside of the top 40 schools or so, which includes the legit "public ivy's" with selective enrollment, like UVA, UMich, Berkley, etc., no employer, grad school admissions officer, or anyone else for that matter, makes any distinction between large state institutions like ku and kstate. obviously all schools have some programs that are stronger than others, but general reputation-wise, they're completely interchangeable.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 22, 2021, 09:40:30 AM
Rents due [redacted]We could solve all our funding problems if we started charging rent for all the real estate we own in your dome pieces, lmao.I charge rent for my brain space, so.....
Do you have a written lease I can examine to back up your claim?
No written proof, then? I'm sorry, but the 38-year lease you've given KU in your dome piece is not enforceable unless in writing. Sorry, but that's the statute of frauds for you. That means KU is now a tenant at will, and on behalf of KU please accept our notice of intent to vacate. We owe you one month's rent. PM me your address and I'll send payment for FMV of the real estate for 1 month.
+38 years