West Virginia is going to cause havoc in the conference. I would not be surprised if they leave Lawrence with a win after they out work the prissy chick's of hooterville bill's.They choked badly tonight.
He was trolling ku fans. Wes has no shot at the league.Well yeah, I was just trying to comprehend a way it could workout for him.
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wes would certainly benefit from the nba's 6 foul rule
good recap 'taterblast.
You'd be surprised at how many guys with only one elite skill are in the NBA. Wes reminds me of Thabo Sefolosha.
He's practically Alec Burks
You'd be surprised at how many guys with only one elite skill are in the NBA. Wes reminds me of Thabo Sefolosha.He's practically Alec Burks
Was this a contest to see who could come up with the worst comparison?
A good coach wouldn't have kicked off half the team last year and we would be a tournament team this year.
not gottlieb, but listen to petro's reaction to oscar's rambling nonsense. this is what k-state basketball is now. (it's under The Program, big 12 coaches conference call, at 13:43)
http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140# (http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140#)
This KSU team has more talent than any team since 2009. Just you wait in two years, if everything lines up just right, this will be remembered as possibly the greatest KSU basketball team in a generation.
This KSU team has more talent than any team since 2009. Just you wait in two years, if everything lines up just right, this will be remembered as possibly the greatest KSU basketball team in a generation.
This KSU team has more talent than any team since 2009. Just you wait in two years, if everything lines up just right, this will be remembered as possibly the greatest KSU basketball team in a generation.
no. it won't be remembered as that.
That was great!
not gottlieb, but listen to petro's reaction to oscar's rambling nonsense. this is what k-state basketball is now. (it's under The Program, big 12 coaches conference call, at 13:43)
http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140# (http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140#)
This KSU team has more talent than any team since 2009. Just you wait in two years, if everything lines up just right, this will be remembered as possibly the greatest KSU basketball team in a generation.
no. it won't be remembered as that.
there's no way to know unless we wait for spring 2018.
This KSU team has more talent than any team since 2009. Just you wait in two years, if everything lines up just right, this will be remembered as possibly the greatest KSU basketball team in a generation.
no. it won't be remembered as that.
there's no way to know unless we wait for spring 2018.
i'd rather wait until october 2023
It bothers me to no end how disingenuous oscar is when talking about the quality of his teams. It's not the faux loyalty that all coaches have to their conference either. He seems like he really is trying to fool his supporters, so they'll keep supporting him. He is a crap human being and a worse basketball coach.
This KSU team has more talent than any team since 2009. Just you wait in two years, if everything lines up just right, this will be remembered as possibly the greatest KSU basketball team in a generation.
no. it won't be remembered as that.
there's no way to know unless we wait for spring 2018.
i'd rather wait until october 2023
that would be more fair. technically we should wait a full generation, but today's youth don't have it in them.
not gottlieb, but listen to petro's reaction to oscar's rambling nonsense. this is what k-state basketball is now. (it's under The Program, big 12 coaches conference call, at 13:43)
http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140# (http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140#)
not gottlieb, but listen to petro's reaction to oscar's rambling nonsense. this is what k-state basketball is now. (it's under The Program, big 12 coaches conference call, at 13:43)
http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140# (http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140#)
Holy crap.
.................................so..................................(soft chuckling)...where does kstate go from there? When will the money guys get tired of that?...............................................................
Quote.................................so..................................(soft chuckling)...I mean, ... when have k-state fans had enough of that? When do k-state money guys had enough of that?...............................................................
Petro said at beginning of show just now that k-state fans should go ahead and call in because they're going to be pissed. whatever that means.
Petro thinks that Kstate fan in general is happy with oscar.Trolling
Easy for me
1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Smart
4. Kruger
5. Drew
6. Prohm
7. Smith
8. Weber
9. Ford
10. the TCU guy
It doesn't matter they both are well below average for the Big 12. Ford is a better recruiter, oscar is probably stronger on X's & O's. Neither take responsibility for their mistakes, it's always someone else's fault. I am through with Ford and his below average performance. I used to despise him, now I just don't care.Easy for me
1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Smart
4. Kruger
5. Drew
6. Prohm
7. Smith
8. Weber
9. Ford
10. the TCU guy
Switch lon and Smart, maybe :dunno:
Otherwise, I agree.
Could be argued that Ford and oscar need two switch too, since ford has actually recruited decent kids in the past.
BITB saying all the oscar Weber hate comes from Kansas fans still mad about The Funeral. If KState fans REALLY want to hurt Kansas fans, we need to get behind a crappy coach who they hate.
Gee, why didn't I think of that?
BITB saying all the oscar Weber hate comes from Kansas fans still mad about The Funeral. If KState fans REALLY want to hurt Kansas fans, we need to get behind a crappy coach who they hate.
Gee, why didn't I think of that?
Every ku fan I've met wants oscar to be here forever
BITB saying all the oscar Weber hate comes from Kansas fans still mad about The Funeral. If KState fans REALLY want to hurt Kansas fans, we need to get behind a crappy coach who they hate.
Gee, why didn't I think of that?
Every ku fan I've met wants oscar to be here forever
yes, confirmed
ku fans hated Frank, but most of that was probably because he wasn't whitePlayed a variety of basketball that gave us a shot at pretty much every game we played. Terrified them.
ku fans hated Frank, but most of that was probably because he wasn't white
Man, I have always disliked Soren. I appreciate what he is doing now.
BITB saying all the oscar Weber hate comes from Kansas fans still mad about The Funeral. If KState fans REALLY want to hurt Kansas fans, we need to get behind a crappy coach who they hate.I don't really want to hurt ku fans, i rough ridin' really want to win basketball games
Gee, why didn't I think of that?
Doug was on with Petro again, talked quite a bit about the Brad, K-State, O-State situation.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=26&c=373&f=5346933
Doug was on with Petro again, talked quite a bit about the Brad, K-State, O-State situation.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=26&c=373&f=5346933
Soren's a better advocate for KState basketball than Kietzman.
As for Gottleib, most of his comment was on his own supposed candidacy for the OSU job - almost incredulous that HIS resume would be considered less attractive than Underwood's.
Really, when is that ever not the goal?
doug said there could be a lot of weird reasons why currie didn't make the move, including but not limited to money, brad not wanting to coach under currie, and currie's own pride in not wanting to admit a mistake. petro said those are all currie's fault, buried oscar's past and future at k-state, and basically called for currie to be fired,
Soren is v smart.
Soren is v smart.
Just ask him.
It is easier to win at Kansas State than it is at the vast majority of Big 12 schools. Doug sounds like a loser here.lol. Wut? I can think of TCU and TTech and that's about it.
Soren is v smart.
Just ask him.
meh. i like the way he covers pretty much every team in kc.
Doug: Oklahoma State is a better job, because of location, harder to fill the arena, but you missed on that timing, so who are you going to go get if you move on oscar?
what is better about Stillwater's location than Manhattan? If we are utilizing the direct flights to Chicago and Dallas, the location argument shouldn't be much of one if you have competent recruitersCloser to Texas. The big 12's hotbed for recruiting.
It is easier to win at Kansas State than it is at the vast majority of Big 12 schools. Doug sounds like a loser here.lol. Wut? I can think of TCU and TTech and that's about it.
That's the thing with BID'rs. They have no clue who's possibly able to come in and replace oscar right now and it could still be a worse hire in the long run.
lol. Texas? Are you rough ridin' high? Also, Baylor has consistently been doing it for over a decade now. They continue to have top recruiting classes.It is easier to win at Kansas State than it is at the vast majority of Big 12 schools. Doug sounds like a loser here.lol. Wut? I can think of TCU and TTech and that's about it.
It is very difficult to win at Baylor and Texas. KSU is on par with the ISU and OSU jobs, really. I think it is a better job than them, but I'm biased and you could make a reasonable argument otherwise.
The "selling your soul" thing is ridiculous.
what is better about Stillwater's location than Manhattan? If we are utilizing the direct flights to Chicago and Dallas, the location argument shouldn't be much of one if you have competent recruitersCloser to Texas. The big 12's hotbed for recruiting.
Spoiler alert: Not all recruits families have the $ for flying to games.what is better about Stillwater's location than Manhattan? If we are utilizing the direct flights to Chicago and Dallas, the location argument shouldn't be much of one if you have competent recruitersCloser to Texas. The big 12's hotbed for recruiting.
it's closer than an hour 15 minute flight to the biggest metro area in Texas?
lol. Texas? Are you rough ridin' high? Also, Baylor has consistently been doing it for over a decade now. They continue to have top recruiting classes.It is easier to win at Kansas State than it is at the vast majority of Big 12 schools. Doug sounds like a loser here.lol. Wut? I can think of TCU and TTech and that's about it.
It is very difficult to win at Baylor and Texas. KSU is on par with the ISU and OSU jobs, really. I think it is a better job than them, but I'm biased and you could make a reasonable argument otherwise.
It is easier to win at Kansas State than it is at the vast majority of Big 12 schools. Doug sounds like a loser here.lol. Wut? I can think of TCU and TTech and that's about it.
It is very difficult to win at Baylor and Texas. KSU is on par with the ISU and OSU jobs, really. I think it is a better job than them, but I'm biased and you could make a reasonable argument otherwise.
Everyone eat their scoop of vanilla and be happyI don't think anyone is doing that, but being self aware is a pretty important key too. No rough ridin' crap we all want the Frank Martin run on a consistent basis, but those weren't a walk in the park either. Especially his last two years here.
Everyone eat their scoop of vanilla and be happyI don't think anyone is doing that, but being self aware is a pretty important key too. No rough ridin' crap we all want the Frank Martin run on a consistent basis, but those weren't a walk in the park either. Especially his last two years here.
I mean asking if Michael Beasley was bad news for K-State.... Are you freaking kidding me doughe also said "his" assistants that he would have hired would have done things the right way....
I mean asking if Michael Beasley was bad news for K-State.... Are you freaking kidding me doughe also said "his" assistants that he would have hired would have done things the right way....
did we get into trouble and im just not remembering it or what?
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right i knew about the mom situation but he asked what players has kstate had in the nba, soren told him beasley walker mcgruder ect so i was confused when he said his assistants he would have hired would do things the right way as if those guys were paidI mean asking if Michael Beasley was bad news for K-State.... Are you freaking kidding me doughe also said "his" assistants that he would have hired would have done things the right way....
did we get into trouble and im just not remembering it or what?
people have hinted all along that the Huggins/early Frank years were shady. they probably were. that's college basketball. and if people think its squeaky clean anywhere but Kim Anderson's Mizzou Tigers they are kidding themselves. Its like watching the NFL and pretending that you don't know all the players will be sketti brained.
That's the thing with BID'rs. They have no clue who's possibly able to come in and replace oscar right now and it could still be a worse hire in the long run.
That's the thing with BID'rs. They have no clue who's possibly able to come in and replace oscar right now and it could still be a worse hire in the long run.
What an incredibly dumb and stupid argument. Continue with sustained mediocrity and irrelevance because who knows the next hire might be worse. My goodness gracious that's dumb.
If oscar makes the tourney this year, that's 3 out of his 5 years here. Minus Frank, that hasn't been done since, what, the late 80's to early 90's?whats bruces record in the tourney? i mean is that our ceiling? lets be an 11 seed every year woohoo!!!!!!
Yup, that's what i'm saying. :rolleyes:so what were you saying?
oscar is doing performing as well as any reasonable person would have expected him to. He's going nowhere, but I did enjoy that recap very much.
That he's performed as well as any coach (minus frank) since the late 80's to early 90's. I said it above. :dunno:Yup, that's what i'm saying. :rolleyes:so what were you saying?
The infuriating thing is that everyone here yelled and screamed a bunch about how bad this hire was when it happened and precisely why it pissed us off and it has played to almost our exact expectations and everyone doesn't know how to respond because everyone is pretty much right where they thought and people that were ok with oscar are like "we are who we are" and they have no imagination to see a better alternative or a better future. It is infuriating.
Wacky, of course oscar is better than Wooly/Asbury, those are the two worst coaches in KSU basketball history. Being better than them is not a reason to keep your job.Well include Altman to that list, but yeah.
Wacky, of course oscar is better than Wooly/Asbury, those are the two worst coaches in KSU basketball history. Being better than them is not a reason to keep your job.Well include Altman to that list, but yeah.
The infuriating thing is that everyone here yelled and screamed a bunch about how bad this hire was when it happened and precisely why it pissed us off and it has played to almost our exact expectations and everyone doesn't know how to respond because everyone is pretty much right where they thought and people that were ok with oscar are like "we are who we are" and they have no imagination to see a better alternative or a better future. It is infuriating.
as i recall, you were, and remain, mr. kat will wait and see and burn nothing own and attend all games kid, so i can't imagine who or what you're infuriated with.
Hindsight, but yeah. He didn't do much here.Wacky, of course oscar is better than Wooly/Asbury, those are the two worst coaches in KSU basketball history. Being better than them is not a reason to keep your job.Well include Altman to that list, but yeah.
Altman's team is ranked like 5th in the country rn
Altman had the misfortune of coaching here when we expected to win.Hmmmm. Sounds familiar!
altman is/was better than oscar...Wacky, of course oscar is better than Wooly/Asbury, those are the two worst coaches in KSU basketball history. Being better than them is not a reason to keep your job.Well include Altman to that list, but yeah.
Altman had the misfortune of coaching here when we expected to win.Hmmmm. Sounds familiar!
Not that it matters much, but neither of Altman's NIT teams makes it under the current NIT selection.
Yeah, I mean they are very good seats.
Listen, if he doesn't make the tourney this year, kick his ass to the curb. Just saying, growing up through the really shitty years makes you step back and look at it from a different angle.really? like say going to school there during wooly like most of us did. if it wasnt for the likes of massey and such we would have been ku football bad...
Prince was the best ksu coach (except for his predecessor) since forever, probably should have kept him!Yeah, that's what I said. :facepalm:
Prince was the best ksu coach (except for his predecessor) since forever, probably should have kept him!Yeah, that's what I said. :facepalm:
Every answer Doug gave is exactly how I would expect Gene Keady to answer. To anyone who listened did it sound like Doug or did it sound more like Gene Keady pretending to be Doug?it sounded like every question he answered was a mic drop in his mind but soren clown suited him afterwards and then he became uncomfortable.
Not that it matters much, but neither of Altman's NIT teams makes it under the current NIT selection.
That is because they are both NCAA teams.
Well, not '91-'92.
Shouldn't you be obsessing over dax somewhere, lib? I still think Doug is kissing ass, because he thinks he has a legit shot to be the next HC and he's not trying to burn any bridges.
anthony beane was a senior that year right?Not that it matters much, but neither of Altman's NIT teams makes it under the current NIT selection.
That is because they are both NCAA teams.
Well, not '91-'92.
ISU got in with a 5-9 Big 8 record that year.
The 93-94 team wasn't that good and it was very disappointing because a lot came back from the previous year.
That he's performed as well as any coach (minus frank) since the late 80's to early 90's. I said it above. :dunno:Yup, that's what i'm saying. :rolleyes:so what were you saying?
anthony beane was a senior that year right?Not that it matters much, but neither of Altman's NIT teams makes it under the current NIT selection.
That is because they are both NCAA teams.
Well, not '91-'92.
ISU got in with a 5-9 Big 8 record that year.
The 93-94 team wasn't that good and it was very disappointing because a lot came back from the previous year.
Not that it matters much, but neither of Altman's NIT teams makes it under the current NIT selection.
That is because they are both NCAA teams.
Well, not '91-'92.
ISU got in with a 5-9 Big 8 record that year.
The 93-94 team wasn't that good and it was very disappointing because a lot came back from the previous year.
Ron Prince had a losing record, 1 bowl appearance, and nothing else to show for it minus a few upset wins vs Texas. oscar Weber has won the big 12 conference and will likely go to his 3rd tourney appearance in 5 years. He's not getting fired if he makes it happen, dummy, and he shouldn't.That he's performed as well as any coach (minus frank) since the late 80's to early 90's. I said it above. :dunno:Yup, that's what i'm saying. :rolleyes:so what were you saying?
Keep him!
Hindsight, but yeah. He didn't do much here.Wacky, of course oscar is better than Wooly/Asbury, those are the two worst coaches in KSU basketball history. Being better than them is not a reason to keep your job.Well include Altman to that list, but yeah.
Altman's team is ranked like 5th in the country rn
Like I said, if he tanks, peace out!
Although his four-year tenure as Kansas State’s head coach produced one NCAA Tournament appearance, Dana Altman will be remembered most for his ability to win close ball games, and for pulling off some of the biggest upsets in school history.
Setting aside the antagonistic tone, 'mousse is one of the good ones.
Yeah and I'm here with OscarListen, if he doesn't make the tourney this year, kick his ass to the curb. Just saying, growing up through the really shitty years makes you step back and look at it from a different angle.really? like say going to school there during wooly like most of us did. if it wasnt for the likes of massey and such we would have been ku football bad...
oscar is a proven loser when he doesnt take over a stocked cupboard and eff currie for not seeing that
oscar Weber will coach here until he decides he doesn't want to anymore. He'll make the tourney somewhere around 2-3 time every five years and probably will never win a game there. John Currie does not give a flying eff if we're competitive in basketball. He cares that the program makes a reasonable profit and stays out of the news. To pretend otherwise would to be as foolish as I've been this entire year. He's never going anywhere. This conversation is pointless.
Absent some sort of misconduct coming to light, it would be highly unethical to terminate oscar. KSU was one of a number of schools that sought out the oscar weber experience, and oscar chose and relied on KSU to allow him to deliver it and see it through. He's delivered.
Absent some sort of misconduct coming to light, it would be highly unethical to terminate oscar. KSU was one of a number of schools that sought out the oscar weber experience, and oscar chose and relied on KSU to allow him to deliver it and see it through. He's delivered.
Translation: "Why strive for 1st place when 8th place is available?"
KSU bought the 8th place bed and now must sleep in it.
That guy at Washington is probably gonna get fired, right? I'm all for hiring him and rolling the dice on a John Blake type scenario.
Curdog will be the hirer. That scares me.That guy at Washington is probably gonna get fired, right? I'm all for hiring him and rolling the dice on a John Blake type scenario.
My goodness oscar makes some of you people desperate. Lorenzo is worse than oscar.
was something inaccurate about that statement?Although his four-year tenure as Kansas State’s head coach produced one NCAA Tournament appearance, Dana Altman will be remembered most for his ability to win close ball games, and for pulling off some of the biggest upsets in school history.
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oscar Weber will coach here until he decides he doesn't want to anymore. He'll make the tourney somewhere around 2-3 time every five years and probably will never win a game there. John Currie does not give a flying eff if we're competitive in basketball. He cares that the program makes a reasonable profit and stays out of the news. To pretend otherwise would to be as foolish as I've been this entire year. He's never going anywhere. This conversation is pointless.
I know this is a major go-to talking point on this board for why Currie sucks, but this is like, exactly what an AD's job is.
was something inaccurate about that statement?Although his four-year tenure as Kansas State’s head coach produced one NCAA Tournament appearance, Dana Altman will be remembered most for his ability to win close ball games, and for pulling off some of the biggest upsets in school history.
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Well you are acting like you haven't seen crazy upsets under oscar
But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
By no means am I trying to be a full fledged oscar supporter, but talking about Altman having a much better or even comparable time at K-State is stupid and the program Altman inherited from Kruger was on par with what oscar did. I give Altman credit for resurrecting his career at Creighton, but at K-State he wasn't good.
You wanna go the ole KU football way of firing coaches, don't ya? Proven track record!But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
By no means am I trying to be a full fledged oscar supporter, but talking about Altman having a much better or even comparable time at K-State is stupid and the program Altman inherited from Kruger was on par with what oscar did. I give Altman credit for resurrecting his career at Creighton, but at K-State he wasn't good.
The difference is that we fired Altman when we should have.
Nobody is trying to defend him, but trying to talk sense into an over reactive fan base is another thing. They just know he talks funny and isn't frank (who lost at home to Alabama lost night btw).But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
By no means am I trying to be a full fledged oscar supporter, but talking about Altman having a much better or even comparable time at K-State is stupid and the program Altman inherited from Kruger was on par with what oscar did. I give Altman credit for resurrecting his career at Creighton, but at K-State he wasn't good.
Some ppl just aren't dumb enough to overreact to a loss vs KU. You know, because like Frank lost to them all the time, like, really badly too.
That guy at Washington is probably gonna get fired, right? I'm all for hiring him and rolling the dice on a John Blake type scenario.He just stripped the #1 overall recruit from Mizzou and hired his dad as an assistant, not gonna happen.
But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
By no means am I trying to be a full fledged oscar supporter, but talking about Altman having a much better or even comparable time at K-State is stupid and the program Altman inherited from Kruger was on par with what oscar did. I give Altman credit for resurrecting his career at Creighton, but at K-State he wasn't good.
_Fan was burn it down just a week ago, must have really put up some solid stats going 1-1 this last week.
You should only get a certain amount of posts per day when it comes to talking sports, because it's real apparent besides badgering Greg, you have no clue wtf you're talking about. DON'T BE MEAN TO FRANK, GUYS!!! #SnowflakesSome ppl just aren't dumb enough to overreact to a loss vs KU. You know, because like Frank lost to them all the time, like, really badly too.
yeah the oscar hate started Monday night. keep Frank's name out of your mouth.
You wanna go the ole KU football way of firing coaches, don't ya? Proven track record!But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
By no means am I trying to be a full fledged oscar supporter, but talking about Altman having a much better or even comparable time at K-State is stupid and the program Altman inherited from Kruger was on par with what oscar did. I give Altman credit for resurrecting his career at Creighton, but at K-State he wasn't good.
The difference is that we fired Altman when we should have.
You should only get a certain amount of posts per day when it comes to talking sports, because it's real apparent besides badgering Greg, you have no clue wtf you're talking about. DON'T BE MEAN TO FRANK, GUYS!!! #SnowflakesSome ppl just aren't dumb enough to overreact to a loss vs KU. You know, because like Frank lost to them all the time, like, really badly too.
yeah the oscar hate started Monday night. keep Frank's name out of your mouth.
If you ever want to win at a high level, you will never get that with oscar, Wacky. Middle of the conference and a cup of coffee in the NCAA is the ceiling.JFC, it's like rough ridin' grounds hog day on here everyday. You know who's made it the furthest in the postseason compared to all of our coaches since the 50's? oscar rough ridin', WEBER! He played in the National rough ridin' Championship. Acting like just sneaking into the tourney is all you'll get from him is getting tiring. It's our rough ridin' hobby sport too.
(https://media.tenor.co/images/c5fb2c0949d227a39e703565f7d4c16b/raw)But _fan, THE GUYS AN UNLIKEABLE DORK, FIRE HIM!
By no means am I trying to be a full fledged oscar supporter, but talking about Altman having a much better or even comparable time at K-State is stupid and the program Altman inherited from Kruger was on par with what oscar did. I give Altman credit for resurrecting his career at Creighton, but at K-State he wasn't good.
The difference is that we fired Altman when we should have.
If you ever want to win at a high level, you will never get that with oscar, Wacky. Middle of the conference and a cup of coffee in the NCAA is the ceiling.JFC, it's like rough ridin' grounds hog day on here everyday. You know who's made it the furthest in the postseason compared to all of our coaches since the 50's? oscar rough ridin', WEBER! He played in the National rough ridin' Championship. Acting like just sneaking into the tourney is all you'll g et from him is getting tiring. It's our rough ridin' hobby sport too.
Kinda like Frank, right?
Frank adopted huggies guys and ran with it for his career here. Once Dalonte left, his recruiting went down big time. A lot of the BID'rs pick and choose their narratives. That's why it's played out.Kinda like Frank, right?
Huh?
Kinda like Frank, right?
_Fan was burn it down just a week ago, must have really put up some solid stats going 1-1 this last week.
No. My post in this thread was about this thread.
As for BID, I'm not going to waste energy on something that won't happen. I pushed hard for Underwood last year. The TCU loss ticked me off and I thought that it might be over for oscar, but getting a top 10 road win changes that. In all likelyhood I know that oscar is going to back and I know I'm not going to cheer for K-State to lose or quit following K-State basketball, so I made the choice to be as positive as possible, no matter how much oscar drives me crazy.
If you ever want to win at a high level, you will never get that with oscar, Wacky. Middle of the conference and a cup of coffee in the NCAA is the ceiling.JFC, it's like rough ridin' grounds hog day on here everyday. You know who's made it the furthest in the postseason compared to all of our coaches since the 50's? oscar rough ridin', WEBER! He played in the National rough ridin' Championship. Acting like just sneaking into the tourney is all you'll get from him is getting tiring. It's our rough ridin' hobby sport too.
Rage, your posts are so bland with no thought put into them. It took Frank 5 years to build an NCAA quality team on his own at South Carolina. His teams were trending down once Dalonte left as well.
The only recruit on that roster that was tied to Frank, was Angel. Do your research. Plus, Frank had plenty of "Big 12 Championship rosters" but could never get it done. His X's and O's sucked and he had to lean on Underwood when it came to the offense. His teams were trending down on his way out.Rage, your posts are so bland with no thought put into them. It took Frank 5 years to build an NCAA quality team on his own at South Carolina. His teams were trending down once Dalonte left as well.
He left us with a Big 12 championship roster, you nincompoop.
I just want to win a tornament game. If he does that, wonderful.Yeah, i'm there too. Give me a big 12 championship caliber football program, with a few tourney runs mixed in from time to time. Sounds like a fun school to follow.
It's like you don't read my posts at all, kslim. Don't really care. It's whatever.guilty as charged
The only recruit on that roster that was tied to Frank, was Angel. Do your research. Plus, Frank had plenty of "Big 12 Championship rosters" but could never get it done. His X's and O's sucked and he had to lean on Underwood when it came to the offense. His teams were trending down on his way out.Rage, your posts are so bland with no thought put into them. It took Frank 5 years to build an NCAA quality team on his own at South Carolina. His teams were trending down once Dalonte left as well.
He left us with a Big 12 championship roster, you nincompoop.
Such a badass! "I'VE NEVER FOLLOWED YOU ON TWITTER EITHER!!!"- ok weirdoIt's like you don't read my posts at all, kslim. Don't really care. It's whatever.guilty as charged
Well you are acting like you haven't seen crazy upsets under oscar
Hey, Altman beat 5 ranked teams in 4 seasons. 3 were Top 10 and KU was #1.
oscar has 17 wins over ranked teams in 4 2/3 seasons. 7 over Top 10 teams including #1 OU last year.
But yeah, Altman is known for his upsets and his great successes at K-State, including almost winning 35% of his conference games.
take it easy man, my post wasnt directed at you. it was a general statement and ill say it again. if you cant see why oscar should be fired i cant help youSuch a badass! "I'VE NEVER FOLLOWED YOU ON TWITTER EITHER!!!"- ok weirdoIt's like you don't read my posts at all, kslim. Don't really care. It's whatever.guilty as charged
honest opinion _fan, what i bolded would get most people fired after 4 years and no tourney wins correct?Well you are acting like you haven't seen crazy upsets under oscar
Hey, Altman beat 5 ranked teams in 4 seasons. 3 were Top 10 and KU was #1.
oscar has 17 wins over ranked teams in 4 2/3 seasons. 7 over Top 10 teams including #1 OU last year.
But yeah, Altman is known for his upsets and his great successes at K-State, including almost winning 35% of his conference games.
FWIW, Frank had 18 wins over ranked teams, 7 over Top 10, and 2 over #1. (for both, those rankings are time of game, not end of season)
oscar has been fine against Top 10/25 teams. Its the road wins (20% worse) and wins over #25-50 (12-15% worse) that are killing him.
honest opinion _fan, what i bolded would get most people fired after 4 years and no tourney wins correct?Well you are acting like you haven't seen crazy upsets under oscar
Hey, Altman beat 5 ranked teams in 4 seasons. 3 were Top 10 and KU was #1.
oscar has 17 wins over ranked teams in 4 2/3 seasons. 7 over Top 10 teams including #1 OU last year.
But yeah, Altman is known for his upsets and his great successes at K-State, including almost winning 35% of his conference games.
FWIW, Frank had 18 wins over ranked teams, 7 over Top 10, and 2 over #1. (for both, those rankings are time of game, not end of season)
oscar has been fine against Top 10/25 teams. Its the road wins (20% worse) and wins over #25-50 (12-15% worse) that are killing him.
oscar Weber will coach here until he decides he doesn't want to anymore. He'll make the tourney somewhere around 2-3 time every five years and probably will never win a game there. John Currie does not give a flying eff if we're competitive in basketball. He cares that the program makes a reasonable profit and stays out of the news. To pretend otherwise would to be as foolish as I've been this entire year. He's never going anywhere. This conversation is pointless.
I know this is a major go-to talking point on this board for why Currie sucks, but this is like, exactly what an AD's job is.
Keeping a program running clean has to be balanced with a commitment to winning at a championship level. I think we can all agree that John Currie has no intention of hiring a guy who will break any rules in order to win at a high level. It puts us at an enormous competitive disadvantage, which is exactly what every AD should be trying to avoid.
were we not an all time top 25 program just a few years ago? that bottom stat is embarrassing and we should expect better.honest opinion _fan, what i bolded would get most people fired after 4 years and no tourney wins correct?Well you are acting like you haven't seen crazy upsets under oscar
Hey, Altman beat 5 ranked teams in 4 seasons. 3 were Top 10 and KU was #1.
oscar has 17 wins over ranked teams in 4 2/3 seasons. 7 over Top 10 teams including #1 OU last year.
But yeah, Altman is known for his upsets and his great successes at K-State, including almost winning 35% of his conference games.
FWIW, Frank had 18 wins over ranked teams, 7 over Top 10, and 2 over #1. (for both, those rankings are time of game, not end of season)
oscar has been fine against Top 10/25 teams. Its the road wins (20% worse) and wins over #25-50 (12-15% worse) that are killing him.
Not at K-State or most similar level programs.
honest opinion _fan, what i bolded would get most people fired after 4 years and no tourney wins correct?Well you are acting like you haven't seen crazy upsets under oscar
Hey, Altman beat 5 ranked teams in 4 seasons. 3 were Top 10 and KU was #1.
oscar has 17 wins over ranked teams in 4 2/3 seasons. 7 over Top 10 teams including #1 OU last year.
But yeah, Altman is known for his upsets and his great successes at K-State, including almost winning 35% of his conference games.
FWIW, Frank had 18 wins over ranked teams, 7 over Top 10, and 2 over #1. (for both, those rankings are time of game, not end of season)
oscar has been fine against Top 10/25 teams. Its the road wins (20% worse) and wins over #25-50 (12-15% worse) that are killing him.
when is oscar's occasional tourney run? can't wait! :excited:
KSU bought the 8th place bed and now must sleep in it.
it is very satisfying when people get what they deserve.
:lol: at a oscar team winning a road NCAA tourney game.It's all neutral, dummy.
KSU bought the 8th place bed and now must sleep in it.
it is very satisfying when people get what they deserve.
Big fan of justice.
Fan and Wacky are coming out strong today. Good and entertaining exchanges. For speculation, do you all think we would have much exodus of current players or requests for release from LOI if we get a new coach. We do have a good young nucleus started.]/b] If a new coach comes in I hope the wantahead screamers give a new coach time for magic
Wacky, I don't agree with you but I recognize the validity of your point. Diversity of opinion is a good thing and necessary to keep goEMAW a great place. Let's agree to disagree and remain friends.:thumbs: If this was Facebook, I'd like this, friend.
Wacky, I don't agree with you but I recognize the validity of your point. Diversity of opinion is a good thing and necessary to keep goEMAW a great place. Let's agree to disagree and remain friends.
Wacky, I don't agree with you but I recognize the validity of your point. Diversity of opinion is a good thing and necessary to keep goEMAW a great place. Let's agree to disagree and remain friends.
wacky never lacks passion or conviction.
I agree that gE is a great place and variety makes it great.
:lol: at a oscar team winning a road NCAA tourney game.It's all neutral, dummy.
oscar is doing performing as well as any reasonable person would have expected him to. He's going nowhere, but I did enjoy that recap very much.
The infuriating thing is that everyone here yelled and screamed a bunch about how bad this hire was when it happened and precisely why it pissed us off and it has played to almost our exact expectations and everyone doesn't know how to respond because everyone is pretty much right where they thought and people that were ok with oscar are like "we are who we are" and they have no imagination to see a better alternative or a better future. It is infuriating.
I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.
He's currently 0-2 with K-State, emawican. This year he's like 3-1 or maybe 2-1 and just beat a top 5 team on the road this last Saturday. :surprised: One of the teams he lost to in the tourney made it all the way to the Championship too!
I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow
Me too. I want to give him one last chance to prove us wrong and then i'll turn full #BID after that. The tourney is my favorite sports event and it's much better when my team is it and winning.I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow
And if he can produce at a similar clip with his own players then I'll be willing to change my tune.
I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow
KSU bought the 8th place bed and now must sleep in it.
it is very satisfying when people get what they deserve.
Big fan of justice.
Totally. We deserve every single bit of this.
That's fair. The only loss in the tourney that pisses me off really is La Salle tho. If he losses again, then i'll move on and be pissed at Currie if he doesn't do anything.I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow
you can't ignore that he has won ONE tourney game in the past 11 seasons.
even if we win one this year, it will be an upset/fluke and that is not reason enough to keep him imo.
I can easily see another 4 or 5 losses on the remaining schedule given the way this team has played and how this team is mostly a disaster at the end of close games (which is derived directly from Oscar).
I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.
I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.
we did everything possible to piss that game away and baylor played their worst game of the year. it was not sign of improvement or portent of a possible tourney run, but an outlier, a singular, fortunate win. those are the reasons "it didn't raise a pulse."
"Baylor played their worst game of the year" is such a weak take. Like discarding K-State and/ or oscar had anything to do with it.yeah but that works both ways, we played very well in the first half and its painfully obvious that when a coach makes adjustments oscar cant. its why we have lost so many games when we had big leads in the first half....
"Baylor played their worst game of the year" is such a weak take. Like discarding K-State and/ or oscar had anything to do with it.
Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.
we did everything possible to piss that game away and baylor played their worst game of the year. it was not sign of improvement or portent of a possible tourney run, but an outlier, a singular, fortunate win. those are the reasons "it didn't raise a pulse."
IMO, giving qualifiers for a great win is BS. We played great basketball to get that lead. Of course it would have been nice to maintain and finish with a 10 point win, but we (Stokes) still made plays after the under 4 to win it. It doesn't matter if its pretty, ugly or whatever, no one should ever be disappointed in beating a Top 10 team on their home floor. I don't care how much you hate the coach.
Plus its not a complete outlier, we have 2 top 10 wins this season, something that not many teams can say. Its the losses like Maryland, TCU, ISU, and Tennessee that are frustrating, but those don't erase 2 really good wins for me.
oscar is sixty and some of you still want more data before coming to a conclusion about him.
Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
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Yeah if only the fan support would have been better, oscar would have really tore it up here. Wtf is this even
oscar is sixty and some of you still want more data before coming to a conclusion about him.
thank you, dr. daris. it's very frustrating to see people arguing whether it's the previous 2 games, or the upcoming 3, or the 3 before the previous 2 that are most informative of the career of a guy who's been a head coach for 15 years.
oscar is sixty and some of you still want more data before coming to a conclusion about him.
thank you, dr. daris. it's very frustrating to see people arguing whether it's the previous 2 games, or the upcoming 3, or the 3 before the previous 2 that are most informative of the career of a guy who's been a head coach for 15 years.
Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
Quote function is hard. You think he got a fair shot coming in from our fans? I don't. They should have carried that hate towards Currie and not him.Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
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Yeah if only the fan support would have been better, oscar would have really tore it up here. Wtf is this even
oscar is sixty and some of you still want more data before coming to a conclusion about him.
thank you, dr. daris. it's very frustrating to see people arguing whether it's the previous 2 games, or the upcoming 3, or the 3 before the previous 2 that are most informative of the career of a guy who's been a head coach for 15 years.
There's about 4 active threads on this board that obsesses over South Carolina and Brad Underwood, dumbass. We got a squeaky voiced coach vs. a tyrant and now "we're not the cool kids on the block anymore, so eff this guy!" If you're too blind to see this, than I can't help you.Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
he wasn't given a chance because he was a known loser, and the only person obsessed with the previous coach is you because you keep bringing him up over and over
There's about 4 active threads on this board that obsesses over South Carolina and Brad Underwood, dumbass. We got a squeaky voiced coach vs. a tyrant and now "we're not the cool kids on the block anymore, so eff this guy!" If you're too blind to see this, than I can't help you.Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
he wasn't given a chance because he was a known loser, and the only person obsessed with the previous coach is you because you keep bringing him up over and over
wacky, I'll give you this, sometimes you go after gE like a Frank team goes after oboards. Relentless.That's fair. I just get sick of the followers at times. A couple of mods raise up Sams and Frank and how dorky oscar is and then everyone echoes it from there on out. Just tired of sheeple. I try to at least look at each situation objectively.
wacky, I'll give you this, sometimes you go after gE like a Frank team goes after oboards. Relentless.That's fair. I just get sick of the followers at times. A couple of mods raise up Sams and Frank and how dorky oscar is and then everyone echoes it from there on out. Just tired of sheeple. I try to at least look at each situation objectively.
There's about 4 active threads on this board that obsesses over South Carolina and Brad Underwood, dumbass. We got a squeaky voiced coach vs. a tyrant and now "we're not the cool kids on the block anymore, so eff this guy!" If you're too blind to see this, than I can't help you.Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
he wasn't given a chance because he was a known loser, and the only person obsessed with the previous coach is you because you keep bringing him up over and over
you know 100% his voice is not the reason people don't like him
oh good, we have a Daniel Sams reference now.I don't think you get "IT", M^2. That's fine tho, I don't expect you too. You're always very vague and simple with your posting.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Fair.wacky, I'll give you this, sometimes you go after gE like a Frank team goes after oboards. Relentless.That's fair. I just get sick of the followers at times. A couple of mods raise up Sams and Frank and how dorky oscar is and then everyone echoes it from there on out. Just tired of sheeple. I try to at least look at each situation objectively.
Fair, but no one is truly objective. People say that all the time, but all of us have a bias in our opinions. Everyone. And that's okay.
Do you?There's about 4 active threads on this board that obsesses over South Carolina and Brad Underwood, dumbass. We got a squeaky voiced coach vs. a tyrant and now "we're not the cool kids on the block anymore, so eff this guy!" If you're too blind to see this, than I can't help you.Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.Oscar has no minions, dummy. Dude never got a chance at fan support when he got here. Everyone hated him coming in, because they were so obsessed with the previous coach and his "coaching" style. I'm just trying to give the guy a little room to hang himself, instead of being like the rest of the crowd. "Eff BBruce, BID, FOOD, etc."
he wasn't given a chance because he was a known loser, and the only person obsessed with the previous coach is you because you keep bringing him up over and over
you know 100% his voice is not the reason people don't like him
I think he believes it.
:lol:Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
i don't think he's a bad coach, ftr.
I do appreciate how much WC08 bleeds purple 24/7/365 open on Sundays.:thumbs:
all of us have a bias in our opinions. Everyone.
I wish I could read posts from WC08 during the 2007/2008 football seasons.
WC08 pretend we just lost to Nebraska or whatever in 2007 and I "dissed" Ron Prince. You gonna let me get away with that?DID YOU NOT SEE THAT TEXAS WIN? SKY IS THE LIMIT, HE TOOK US TO A BOWL GAME, AND SYNDER DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT IN HIS LAST TWO SEASONS! :curse:
all of us have a bias in our opinions. Everyone.
some more than others, tho
He's got you there 'bias
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He's got you there 'bias
i guess I'm not special :frown:
I thought it was stupid to hire a fired coach. Then I gave him a chance. The more I hear his excuses and talk about play hard charts, the more annoyed I get. Yet I still sit here hoping for the unlikely based on past record.
Put that in your bias and smoke it. :bigtoke:
BTW waldo crew. I'm a bachelor this week. Mrs. Wacky got a job and flew down to her grandparents place in Marco Island for the week (she starts next Tuesday). Maybe some Johnny Kaws for Saturdays game? :excited:
I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow
I kinda just got owned guys. :frown: I will say, some of those doctors we've given a chance with, did redeem themselves. :surprised: But I get the point.
I mean, I obviously wasn't happy with the hire, I guess I just wanted to give the dumbass a chance and sometimes he kinda gets me excited, so my optimism comes out.Your optimism has made me happy all day. Sometimes the Oscar Ode makes me mean, grouchy and cantankerous due to pessimism. For DJamer's sake I hope we have year end success. Maybe oscar will get TUBarnesed.
this game is too early in the morning unfortunately
I mean asking if Michael Beasley was bad news for K-State.... Are you freaking kidding me doughe also said "his" assistants that he would have hired would have done things the right way....
did we get into trouble and im just not remembering it or what?
people have hinted all along that the Huggins/early Frank years were shady. they probably were. that's college basketball. and if people think its squeaky clean anywhere but Kim Anderson's Mizzou Tigers they are kidding themselves. Its like watching the NFL and pretending that you don't know all the players will be sketti brained.
I hate so much when people say this and it's ALWAYS offered without a shred of evidence, even anecdotal. I could write a think piece length post about why this offends me so much but I won't do it.
Absent some sort of misconduct coming to light, it would be highly unethical to terminate oscar. KSU was one of a number of schools that sought out the oscar weber experience, and oscar chose and relied on KSU to allow him to deliver it and see it through. He's delivered.
If Oscar could recruit just a hair better i.e. A quality point guard, and knew how to lead a team ( no chance) , he would be an awesome coach, I like his brand of basketball. His shortcomings with the first two items however relegate his teams to being competitive at a high level but average in the end. He could potentially solve the recruiting problem but he isn't capable of leading a squad. :frown:Kam is a stud. This team was on pace for the tourney before he got injured last year. If you want to claim him a combo guard. I'm fine with that, but he's the best "PG" we've had since Denny
oscar Weber will coach here until he decides he doesn't want to anymore. He'll make the tourney somewhere around 2-3 time every five years and probably will never win a game there. John Currie does not give a flying eff if we're competitive in basketball. He cares that the program makes a reasonable profit and stays out of the news. To pretend otherwise would to be as foolish as I've been this entire year. He's never going anywhere. This conversation is pointless.
I know this is a major go-to talking point on this board for why Currie sucks, but this is like, exactly what an AD's job is.
Keeping a program running clean has to be balanced with a commitment to winning at a championship level. I think we can all agree that John Currie has no intention of hiring a guy who will break any rules in order to win at a high level. It puts us at an enormous competitive disadvantage, which is exactly what every AD should be trying to avoid.
_Fan was burn it down just a week ago, must have really put up some solid stats going 1-1 this last week.
recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your teamThat's fair, but I don't think most #BID'RS understand he's out recruited frank in his later years here. He also made Southwell worth while in his final year here.
or too smart and sane to confess to such nonsense. :cheers:_Fan was burn it down just a week ago, must have really put up some solid stats going 1-1 this last week.
I think most people are too stupid to understand nuance when it comes to sports. _FAN is far too analytical to ever be defined as burn it down.
recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your teamThat's fair, but I don't think most #BID'RS understand he's out recruited frank in his later years here. He also made Southwell worth while in his final year here.
WC08 pretend we just lost to Nebraska or whatever in 2007 and I "dissed" Ron Prince. You gonna let me get away with that?
I hate so much when people say this and it's ALWAYS offered without a shred of evidence, even anecdotal. I could write a think piece length post about why this offends me so much but I won't do it.
One of the guys that does this the most is our guy Doug.
recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your teamThat's fair, but I don't think most #BID'RS understand he's out recruited frank in his later years here. He also made Southwell worth while in his final year here.
i don't think i agree with either statement
recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your teamThat's fair, but I don't think most #BID'RS understand he's out recruited frank in his later years here. He also made Southwell worth while in his final year here.
recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your teamThat's fair, but I don't think most #BID'RS understand he's out recruited frank in his later years here. He also made Southwell worth while in his final year here.
But, you cannot run from the fact that Oscar coached this...
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2014/12/28/7458349/texas-southern-beats-kansas-state-in-unlikeliest-end-of-game-win-ever
You add a Fred Van Vleet to this team and it would be REALLY good.Yeah I would take a pro point guard over a sophomore anyday too gat :lol:
That guy at Washington is probably gonna get fired, right? I'm all for hiring him and rolling the dice on a John Blake type scenario.
My goodness oscar makes some of you people desperate. Lorenzo is worse than oscar.
Also, oscar's recruiting has been one of the better qualities of his tenure here. When he wasn't brining in a 4*, he brought in Foster, Inwundu, kam, brown, DJamer, and more. :dunno:
If Oscar could recruit just a hair better i.e. A quality point guard, and knew how to lead a team ( no chance) , he would be an awesome coach, I like his brand of basketball. His shortcomings with the first two items however relegate his teams to being competitive at a high level but average in the end. He could potentially solve the recruiting problem but he isn't capable of leading a squad. :frown:Kam is a stud. This team was on pace for the tourney before he got injured last year. If you want to claim him a combo guard. I'm fine with that, but he's the best "PG" we've had since Denny
Stuff like this is exactly why I want oscar fired, no matter what. I don't care if we win the Big 12 tournament and go to the sweet 16. I'll party my ass off, no doubt but I'll still want him gone. Meltdowns will always happen with his teams and I think it's because how he coaches his teams. All that screaming and frenetic behavior does nothing to manifest confidence and poise. We can't even win games without panicking. Good guy, petty good with milking talent, terrible everywhere else.
That's fine, but wasn't Southwell's numbers out the roof compared to his previous three years? _fan?recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your teamThat's fair, but I don't think most #BID'RS understand he's out recruited frank in his later years here. He also made Southwell worth while in his final year here.
i don't think i agree with either statement
Some of you guys spend too much time watching the sidelines waiting for oscar to make a funny face rather than watching a pretty decent young team doing good things and actually playing good basketball.its not a funny face when he loses
Some of you guys spend too much time watching the sidelines waiting for oscar to make a funny face rather than watching a pretty decent young team doing good things and actually playing good basketball.
Lol at anyone that doesn't think that many many programs aren't up to shenanigans.
Look at UNC. We had to listen for decades about the "Carolina Way". That entire storyline is about to be shattered if the NCAA would just DO THEIR JOB. The have finally deemed that for all matter of thinking, that UNC is a hostile entity that is determined to not work with the NCAA in investigating this extreme level of academic fraud that kept athletes academically eligible for decades. Why is Carolina fighting so hard against the NCAA? They know that entire aura of Dean Smith and Roy Williams and the "Carolina Way" is about to take a massive hit.
A few years ago either the NYT or the Atlantic ran a lengthy story on the "bag men" of the SEC. The 10-20k level boosters who have a few thousand bucks of fun money all the time, who get reached out to in order to provide $2-3-4K bucks that's given to recruits to get them to sign or at least commit.
If you don't think that crap isn't replicated across the landscape of major college athletics than your extremely naive.
Lol at anyone that doesn't think that many many programs aren't up to shenanigans.
Look at UNC. We had to listen for decades about the "Carolina Way". That entire storyline is about to be shattered if the NCAA would just DO THEIR JOB. The have finally deemed that for all matter of thinking, that UNC is a hostile entity that is determined to not work with the NCAA in investigating this extreme level of academic fraud that kept athletes academically eligible for decades. Why is Carolina fighting so hard against the NCAA? They know that entire aura of Dean Smith and Roy Williams and the "Carolina Way" is about to take a massive hit.
A few years ago either the NYT or the Atlantic ran a lengthy story on the "bag men" of the SEC. The 10-20k level boosters who have a few thousand bucks of fun money all the time, who get reached out to in order to provide $2-3-4K bucks that's given to recruits to get them to sign or at least commit.
If you don't think that crap isn't replicated across the landscape of major college athletics than your extremely naive.
@me dickhead. You said many many programs are up to shenanigans then proceeded to give one example.
Also boosters giving money to student athletes is far from a coach intentionally cheating.
None of this proves that many many schools cheat. I didn't say no one cheats. I reject the notion that most or many many schools cheat. People say that bullshit without any way of proving it at all.
More interesting to me is the year+ long DEA investigation that resulted in Curtis Malone (head of DC Assault for you nu $ fans) going to jail for only 100 months and really didn't turn up more dirt. In fact, Malone had to file bankruptcy in 2012 and he claims he only got back into the drug game because he didn't want to admit his financial failures.
the ncaa didn't do anything to jamar samuels
when was that? the feds might have you on tape
More interesting to me is the year+ long DEA investigation that resulted in Curtis Malone (head of DC Assault for you nu $ fans) going to jail for only 100 months and really didn't turn up more dirt. In fact, Malone had to file bankruptcy in 2012 and he claims he only got back into the drug game because he didn't want to admit his financial failures.
more interesting to me was when curtis malone's bag man called me asking for the $$ to secure more dca/wdc studs
when was that? the feds might have you on tape
More interesting to me is the year+ long DEA investigation that resulted in Curtis Malone (head of DC Assault for you nu $ fans) going to jail for only 100 months and really didn't turn up more dirt. In fact, Malone had to file bankruptcy in 2012 and he claims he only got back into the drug game because he didn't want to admit his financial failures.
more interesting to me was when curtis malone's bag man called me asking for the $$ to secure more dca/wdc studs
hi, i'm drake- good buddies with Karl-Anthony Towns. yes, i gave him this airplane.
malone's status certainly wasn't helping his "just friends" cause
nowhere did i say that the call had anything to do with coaches cheating but i'm curious what makes you feel the need to point that out
I agree that direct cheating is rare. For most programs it probably comes down to 2 areas that involve coaches: 1) how much coaches are willing to pander to handlers, coaches, and parents during recruiting and 2) how much a coach will put up with and/or turn a blind eye when players are on campus. IMO most head coaches are aware of both, but stay away from the details, subordinates and assistant coaches handle the dirty work. Everyone plays around in the grey areas of both IMO, its just a matter of how dirty people are willing to get.
IMO oscar chooses to get less dirty than most.
yeah i was just sharing a WTF story because it was really WTF...like the guy called me a few times looking for loot
as it relates to coaches cheating...i think most programs operate in as much of a grey area as they can but that very few go too far and i think some of the biggest programs just recruit themselves. i really doubt semi asked coach k for a rolex
cbb is highly competitive and these guys have a lot on the line, they're going to do as much as they can to get an advantage. i also think that cheating with coaches can be broken down into two types- direct and indirect. direct cheating (rare) to me is something like tim floyd at usc, indirect would be the type of environment that the coaches allow around their program/players. indirect cheating results from coaches turning a blind eye and playing the hear no evil, see no evil game.
then there's above the board stuff, like coach k who use every advantage he has available- his Team USA coaching gig is an example
and i don't think the perception of coaches cheating or pushing the boundaries do so because, to use your words, "negroes are unscrupulous and are only enticed by cash, cars, weed, and pussy". i think the truth is that kids are kids and they want to get paid and they're competitive and find a sense of worth through their own value in the recruiting market. and adults are adults and coaches operate in that highly competitive world like i mentioned above. just my :twocents:
of course it is, i never said it wasn't.yeah i was just sharing a WTF story because it was really WTF...like the guy called me a few times looking for loot
as it relates to coaches cheating...i think most programs operate in as much of a grey area as they can but that very few go too far and i think some of the biggest programs just recruit themselves. i really doubt semi asked coach k for a rolex
cbb is highly competitive and these guys have a lot on the line, they're going to do as much as they can to get an advantage. i also think that cheating with coaches can be broken down into two types- direct and indirect. direct cheating (rare) to me is something like tim floyd at usc, indirect would be the type of environment that the coaches allow around their program/players. indirect cheating results from coaches turning a blind eye and playing the hear no evil, see no evil game.
then there's above the board stuff, like coach k who use every advantage he has available- his Team USA coaching gig is an example
and i don't think the perception of coaches cheating or pushing the boundaries do so because, to use your words, "negroes are unscrupulous and are only enticed by cash, cars, weed, and pussy". i think the truth is that kids are kids and they want to get paid and they're competitive and find a sense of worth through their own value in the recruiting market. and adults are adults and coaches operate in that highly competitive world like i mentioned above. just my :twocents:
You don't think that way but it's pretty evident that many people think the only path to success are Rolex's, Hummer's, and thousand dollar handshakes.
Yes, you are correct kids are kids and rich or poor, black or white, they can be enticed by shiny things. However, the reason that all or even most of college basketball isn't like Blue Chips is because these kids have parents that would have serious issues with someone who supposed to a person of influence for this 18th year old, so openly flaunting rules violations.
Poor parents and parents of color have a moral compass too.
I wonder what went down with Doug and CBS?
He hinted at something last week on twitter, then he's not part of any CBS MM coverage, and today on Petro he talked vaguely about something happening, but he can't say anything yet.
Its too bad, I thought he did a good job in MM coverage.
I wonder what went down with Doug and CBS?
He hinted at something last week on twitter, then he's not part of any CBS MM coverage, and today on Petro he talked vaguely about something happening, but he can't say anything yet.
Its too bad, I thought he did a good job in MM coverage.
He's going to Fox Sports. Dan Patrick mentioned it when Gottlieb was on his show yesterday.
These guys need to stop leaving ESPN for a short term pay raise at the expense of their long term careers.He said today that both ESPN and CBS's contracts were comparable, but his wife asked him by the end of the day, would you be able to watch March Madness from a ESPN studio, instead of being the main guy in the seat. Said that's why he jumped ship. Had nothing to do with $.
These guys need to stop leaving ESPN for a short term pay raise at the expense of their long term careers.Industry rumors are that massive lay-offs are coming to ESPN. They've lost more than 10M subscribers in the last few years and are bleeding money right now.
You don't remember KSU bball being on Fox sports? Or royals baseball? Or soccer?
Hahaha my badYou don't remember KSU bball being on Fox sports? Or royals baseball? Or soccer?
oh, he's going to be on fox sports kc? pretty big downgrade there doug
These guys need to stop leaving ESPN for a short term pay raise at the expense of their long term careers.Industry rumors are that massive lay-offs are coming to ESPN. They've lost more than 10M subscribers in the last few years and are bleeding money right now.
It may have actually been a good time to get away.
Also I am ready for Gus and Gott on college basketball.
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