Doug Gottlieb on 810 WHB The Program with Soren Petro

[Cartierfor3]

BTW waldo crew. I'm a bachelor this week. Mrs. Wacky got a job and flew down to her grandparents place in Marco Island for the week (she starts next Tuesday). Maybe some Johnny Kaws for Saturdays game?

this game is too early in the morning unfortunately

[420seriouscat69]

True. 

['taterblast]

had to knock on the door at kaws for @wvu in '14 because the game started at 11 am. too damn early, ordered beers before the stools were even off the tables.

[420seriouscat69]

  That sounds awful.

[EMAWican]

I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow

Look, I respect your opinion on this and admire you not being a sheeple, but let me use my poutyness to translate my initial reaction to the oscar hire into a situation you can possibly relate to.

"Hey we need to find a Dr. for an upper level client"
"OK, I have one here that was just recently fired for being terrible at his previous job. He did some good things with his predecessor's assistants awhile back, but ultimately couldn't replace them with good help as they left. He consistently under performed, was meh, and tried to skate by with riding his initial success."

Would you hire or recommend this Dr?

Prior experiences and data dictate the likely outcome of the future.   

[420seriouscat69]

Touche.

[420seriouscat69]

I kinda just got owned guys.  I will say, some of those doctors we've given a chance with, did redeem themselves.  But I get the point.

[meow meow]

really hits home

[Ptolemy]

I kinda just got owned guys.  I will say, some of those doctors we've given a chance with, did redeem themselves.  But I get the point.

You have to ground this analogy in the reality that some KState MBB fans really don't want to be super healthy and are OK feeling fairly MEH health wise all the time. If they NEVER feel super good in their time on this planet, that's just OK.

[420seriouscat69]

I mean, I obviously wasn't happy with the hire, I guess I just wanted to give the dumbass a chance and sometimes he kinda gets me excited, so my optimism comes out.

[renocat]

I mean, I obviously wasn't happy with the hire, I guess I just wanted to give the dumbass a chance and sometimes he kinda gets me excited, so my optimism comes out.

Your optimism has made me happy all day.  Sometimes the Oscar Ode makes me mean, grouchy and cantankerous due to pessimism.  For DJamer's sake I hope we have year end success.  Maybe oscar will get TUBarnesed.

[420seriouscat69]

 

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this game is too early in the morning unfortunately

This made me see when the game was.  It'll damn near be #BruceInBed again! 

[tdaver]

What will oscar have proven or earned if we make the tourney this year?  Or win one game in the tourney?

Absolutely nothing.  That is oscar being oscar... outside of inheriting a winning roster, he will get his team to the tourney on average every other year and lose in the first round most of the time.  That's his history.  Getting in this year just keeps him on pace.  That's not good enough.  If we make a deep run, then fine, discuss him earning more time.  If we don't get in at all, then he has actually getting worse.

[420seriouscat69]

Tdaver, who do you want to replace him? Just interested in hearing what we have coming after him.

[tdaver]

I don't know, but I'd rather take the risk on a mid major HC or young asst that has the potential to be better (or much worse) than to sit here twiddling our thumbs in mediocrity.

[gatoveintisiete]

If Oscar could recruit just a hair better i.e. A quality point guard, and knew how to lead a team ( no chance) , he would be an awesome coach, I like his brand of basketball.  His shortcomings with the first two items however relegate his teams to being competitive at a high level but average in the end.  He could potentially solve the recruiting problem but he isn't capable of leading a squad. 

[MakeItRain]

I mean asking if Michael Beasley was bad news for K-State.... Are you freaking kidding me doug

he also said "his" assistants that he would have hired would have done things the right way....

did we get into trouble and im just not remembering it or what?

people have hinted all along that the Huggins/early Frank years were shady. they probably were. that's college basketball. and if people think its squeaky clean anywhere but Kim Anderson's Mizzou Tigers they are kidding themselves. Its like watching the NFL and pretending that you don't know all the players will be sketti brained.

I hate so much when people say this and it's ALWAYS offered without a shred of evidence, even anecdotal. I could write a think piece length post about why this offends me so much but I won't do it.

[kso_FAN]

I hate so much when people say this and it's ALWAYS offered without a shred of evidence, even anecdotal. I could write a think piece length post about why this offends me so much but I won't do it.

One of the guys that does this the most is our guy Doug.

[MakeItRain]

Absent some sort of misconduct coming to light, it would be highly unethical to terminate oscar.  KSU was one of a number of schools that sought out the oscar weber experience, and oscar chose and relied on KSU to allow him to deliver it and see it through.  He's delivered.

You post like a rough ridin' parrot talks, or a broken computer program stuck on the same goddamned sentence.

[420seriouscat69]

If Oscar could recruit just a hair better i.e. A quality point guard, and knew how to lead a team ( no chance) , he would be an awesome coach, I like his brand of basketball.  His shortcomings with the first two items however relegate his teams to being competitive at a high level but average in the end.  He could potentially solve the recruiting problem but he isn't capable of leading a squad. 

Kam is a stud. This team was on pace for the tourney before he got injured last year. If you want to claim him a combo guard. I'm fine with that, but he's the best "PG" we've had since Denny

[MakeItRain]

oscar Weber will coach here until he decides he doesn't want to anymore. He'll make the tourney somewhere around 2-3 time every five years and probably will never win a game there. John Currie does not give a flying eff if we're competitive in basketball. He cares that the program makes a reasonable profit and stays out of the news. To pretend otherwise would to be as foolish as I've been this entire year. He's never going anywhere. This conversation is pointless.

I know this is a major go-to talking point on this board for why Currie sucks, but this is like, exactly what an AD's job is.

Keeping a program running clean has to be balanced with a commitment to winning at a championship level. I think we can all agree that John Currie has no intention of hiring a guy who will break any rules in order to win at a high level. It puts us at an enormous competitive disadvantage, which is exactly what every AD should be trying to avoid.

HE DOESN'T NEED TO HIRE A COACH WHO WILL BREAK RULES, DO YOU WATCH COLLEGE BASKETBALL?

in addition to that hiring a coach who will break the rules will cause Currie to lose his job and not be an athletic director anymore. Does John Currie want to take food out of his kid's mouths because the goddamned white people watching negroes dribble a basketball think we are unscrupulous and are only enticed by cash, cars, weed, and pussy? My God I should have went to a HBCU, you people are the worst.

[420seriouscat69]

Also, oscar's recruiting has been one of the better qualities of his tenure here. When he wasn't brining in a 4*, he brought in Foster, Inwundu, kam, brown, DJamer, and more.

[Tobias]

recruiting is def way down the list of reasons to not want oscar coaching your team

[MakeItRain]

_Fan was burn it down just a week ago, must have really put up some solid stats going 1-1 this last week.

I think most people are too stupid to understand nuance when it comes to sports. _FAN is far too analytical to ever be defined as burn it down.