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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on November 13, 2015, 05:09:27 PM
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Well gosh, the multi-year effort to overthrow Assad by the US and the West is really paying dividends.
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Well gosh, the multi-year effort to overthrow Assad by the US and the West is really paying dividends.
How about you give this a second to think about wtf his happening before you start with your anti-Obama bullshit.
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Gosh
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Well gosh, the multi-year effort to overthrow Assad by the US and the West is really paying dividends.
How about you give this a second to think about wtf his happening before you start with your anti-Obama bullshit.
Why don't you take into consideration that these people are likely dying because of the direct policies of the United States and it's so called allies. The president literally had the audacity to get on TV this morning and tell us ISIS was "contained".
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Well gosh, the multi-year effort to overthrow Assad by the US and the West is really paying dividends.
How about you give this a second to think about wtf his happening before you start with your anti-Obama bullshit.
Why don't you take into consideration that these people are likely dying because of the direct policies of the United States and it's so called allies. The president literally had the audacity to get on TV this morning and tell us ISIS was "contained".
bump one of your many anti Obama threads if you want to be a cut. People are literally being summarily executed as we speak and your jumping at the chance to make this about Obama. I thought you were a better man than this. So eff you, seriously learn some humility and respect.
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Nah, not when Western policy is likely the cause of this tragedy.
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Nah, not when Western policy is likely the cause of this tragedy.
The fact that you think it's the "cause" shows how little you know about that war, the region, Europe, or the issues with Muslims in this world. But you're a $!#* and don't want to educate yourself. Go back to your rat hole.
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I am Eagles of Death Metal.
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This is sad. We should be critical of leaders/policy, however, particularly when those leader completely repeatedly neglect to give situations the gravity they deserve and then people die.
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Obama has released a statement. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/)
Oops. That was his statement earlier this morning. He'll probably need to revise that.
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not a good look ksudub
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not a good look ksudub
Sorry to offend your sensibilities. France is burning and in need of stronger allies than our ditherer in chief.
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Does this also require a new thread? France just closed its borders, but Obama is fast tracking more Syrian refugees to the US. (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576) Because what could possibly go wrong with an influx of immigrants from a terrorist hotbed?
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Does this also require a new thread? France just closed its borders, but Obama is fast tracking more Syrian refugees to the US. (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576) Because what could possibly go wrong with an influx of immigrants from a terrorist hotbed?
not if you put it in the right thread to begin with downgrade
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Libtard dave rushes in to protect his home boy b.o.
Good grief
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Does this also require a new thread? France just closed its borders, but Obama is fast tracking more Syrian refugees to the US. (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576) Because what could possibly go wrong with an influx of immigrants from a terrorist hotbed?
not if you put it in the right thread to begin with downgrade
Who would have thought? The Pit has become its own little "safe zone" carefully filtering and segregating speech so as not to offend. Topical. http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36468.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36468.0)
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If bush was president. This obviously doesn't happen
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
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Politics first, smdh
Let's clean up the blood before cheering for/against our political heroes/rivals.
I'm not cheering. It's times like these, when the carnage is at its worst, that I wish we had a stronger leader. That is not the same as "blaming Obama" for these attacks. Read this quick before the PC brownshirts move another post.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
I just posted it so it is exactly what I'm doing
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Fox news is better at foreign policy than the leader of the free world. Fact.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
I just posted it so it is exactly what I'm doing
You are segregating posts related to the Paris attacks to a separate thread you created and incorrectly named because you don't like the message. That's heavy handed speech policing.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
I just posted it so it is exactly what I'm doing
You are segregating posts related to the Paris attacks to a separate thread you created and incorrectly named because you don't like the message. That's heavy handed speech policing.
Do you judge threads by their titles?
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If b.o. watched fox news, this doesn't happen
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
I just posted it so it is exactly what I'm doing
You are segregating posts related to the Paris attacks to a separate thread you created and incorrectly named because you don't like the message. That's heavy handed speech policing.
not liking the message has nothing to do with it. separating divergent messages does. if you want to set up a hunger strike about it feel free. and I'm happy to let dax pick a title for this thread. or he could himself, he can edit the OG post.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
You put "racist piece of crap" under people's scream names you slanderous libeling disingenuous piece of filth.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
You put "racist piece of crap" under people's scream names you slanderous libeling disingenuous piece of filth.
define "you"
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This j.v. squad is terrifying. I wish we wouldn't have let them build a million man army
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I remember when people were laughing at the notion that terrorists could walk into the u.s. via our open borders.
I wonder if those people are still laughing?
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
You put "racist piece of crap" under people's scream names you slanderous libeling disingenuous piece of filth.
define "you"
You have a crap load of work to do, because the basketball board is a disorganized mess
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
I just posted it so it is exactly what I'm doing
You are segregating posts related to the Paris attacks to a separate thread you created and incorrectly named because you don't like the message. That's heavy handed speech policing.
not liking the message has nothing to do with it. separating divergent messages does. if you want to set up a hunger strike about it feel free.
You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears. The Paris attacks are related to ISIS and are pertinent to our own foreign and immigration policies. These topics are far more closely related than a lot of divergent topics that get brought up in threads. You're speech policing based on content, plain and simple. And it's ironic that you're doing it at a time when we've been discussing this exact problem on college campuses.
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I remember when people were laughing at the notion that terrorists could walk into the u.s. via our open borders.
I wonder if those people are still laughing?
^^^^
Does not belong here, libtard dave
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oh muffin, you're so oppressed
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your posts got moved to another thread with similar posts instead of the thread where you wanted them!?
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rape?
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Computer jock to the rescue! Nobody implicates the Messiah on my message board!!!!
What a rough ridin' dweeb
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your posts got moved to another thread with similar posts instead of the thread where you wanted them!?
Please understand. I'm not mad. I think this is hilarious. You literally created a second thread with "Paris attack" in the title, only with the express purpose of segregating out any criticism of Obama. And you don't seem to understand how absurd that is. :lol:
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your posts got moved to another thread with similar posts instead of the thread where you wanted them!?
Please understand. I'm not mad. I think this is hilarious. You literally created a second thread with "Paris attack" in the title, only with the express purpose of segregating out any criticism of Obama. And you don't seem to understand how absurd that is. :lol:
wait, was it you or fsd that was mad about the title?
EDIT: it was you. I'll name it whatever dax wants it. I just want a news thread and an politics thread. this is the later.
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He does nothing to protect Sanctuary, however :frown:
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Steve Dave is doing great work tonight
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Steve Dave is doing great work tonight
I am an excellent message boarder
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Steve Dave, better put on a pot of coffee. Please go through the "models are all wrong" thread and segregate out all the pro-AGW posts into a separate thread. They're really not topical, and they offend me. Thanks.
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Steve Dave is doing great work tonight
I am an excellent message boarder
Possibly the best. Depends on if Rick Daris mails in his posts or not.
Either way, keep it up chief.
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"Racist piece of crap"
Lol
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I mean, Steve Dave just made the 3 worst posters on goEMAW cry like bitches. So great.
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I mean, based on this criteria, every Mir and Edna post should be placed in an Mir or Edna repository, because they're always the only person who has the slightest idea what they are talking about.
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Steve Dave, better put on a pot of coffee. Please go through the "models are all wrong" thread and segregate out all the pro-AGW posts into a separate thread. They're really not topical, and they offend me. Thanks.
I'm not a public service but I'll let you keep posting whatever you post there anyway because I'm very busy
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Libtard dave and ok cat, two peas in a pod :driving:
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I'm nowhere near Steve Dave, I'm just here to watch you dipshits go mental because your shitty posts got moved :lol:
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what an epic meltdown by ksuw omg :lol:
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I'm pretty pleased with how thus is evolving
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your posts got moved to another thread with similar posts instead of the thread where you wanted them!?
Please understand. I'm not mad. I think this is hilarious. You literally created a second thread with "Paris attack" in the title, only with the express purpose of segregating out any criticism of Obama. And you don't seem to understand how absurd that is. :lol:
In lib world, this equals "epic meltdown." :lol:
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I'm pretty pleased with how thus is evolving
we all are!
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Lib7 and Ok cat :ROFL:
Now I kind of feel bad for libtard dave
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Lib7 and Ok cat :ROFL:
Now I kind of feel bad for libtard dave
I can assure you nobody else reading this thread feels bad for libtard dave
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Lib7 and Ok cat :ROFL:
Now I kind of feel bad for libtard dave
You guys remember that scene from The Abyss (love that movie) where Lindsey says "Hippie, stay off my side!" :lol: Steve Dave has lib and okcat on his side.
Oh crap, I've done it again. Mods, please move this post to the movie thread.
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Hell yeah it's obamas fault! If he would've put more money into the military instead of getting those damn Obamaphones
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He's (libtard dave) got computer jock moxie, there's no denying that.
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Hell yeah it's obamas fault! If he would've put more money into the military instead of getting those damn Obamaphones
Gross
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This was just a fantastic read :love:
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If every cloud has a silver lining, this thread is the Paris terrorist attack silver lining.
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If every cloud has a silver lining, this thread is the Paris terrorist attack silver lining.
also possible hotel prices
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If every cloud has a silver lining, this thread is the Paris terrorist attack silver lining.
also possible hotel prices
Well, yeah.
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Lib7 and Ok cat :ROFL:
Now I kind of feel bad for libtard dave
I can assure you nobody else reading this thread feels bad for libtard dave
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Wrong.
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EDIT: of merit
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:lol:
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If every cloud has a silver lining, this thread is the Paris terrorist attack silver lining.
also possible hotel prices
Well, yeah.
Dammit. Would someone please move these posts to a new thread already? They're off topic.
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is anyone else kind of sickened by how the usual goEMAW suspects are high fiving each other over a terrorist attack? i know they hate obama a lot, but to be so giddy about a few hundred people dying because they think it makes obama look bad... just pretty distasteful to me. maybe i'm alone :dunno:
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is anyone else kind of sickened by how the usual goEMAW suspects are high fiving each other over a terrorist attack? i know they hate obama a lot, but to be so giddy about a few hundred people dying because they think it makes obama look bad... just pretty distasteful to me. maybe i'm alone :dunno:
Libs world: "giddy."
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adjective gid·dy \?gi-d?\
: playful and silly
: feeling or showing great happiness and joy
sad... really :frown:
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Obama has released a statement. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/)
Oops. That was his statement earlier this morning. He'll probably need to revise that.
The timing of this quote is so amazing. I don't know how everyone isnt just laughing and shaking their head at what a rube rough ridin' moron we have in charge of our country.
Instead, we have a mod rushing to push this off into a potpourri thread, because politics.
Not cool
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If Dax is still capable of such things, he most likely went from 6 to midnight while watching fox news
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If isis is the j.v. team, the are lib7 and ok cat scout team or the pep band?
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I'm no Nostrildamons but watch Ted Cruz OWN the immigration debate he is currently priming for with Marco Rubio and the band of RINOs running for president.
I feel for all Parisians.
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I'm no Nostrildamons but watch Ted Cruz OWN the immigration debate he is currently priming for with Marco Rubio and the band of RINOs running for president.
I feel for all Parisians.
YES! THIS TERRORIST ATTACK HELPS MY GUY!!!! :Woot:
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I'm no Nostrildamons but watch Ted Cruz OWN the immigration debate he is currently priming for with Marco Rubio and the band of RINOs running for president.
I feel for all Parisians.
from your limited post history I can't tell where you come down on issues but I think you're in the right thread
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Being proven wrong over and over again really has the libtards in a tizzy. They're getting unreasonable and desperate :Chirp:
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And very butthurt
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from your limited post history I can't tell where you come down on issues but I think you're in the right thread
Don't know what that means exactly but, Thanks! I think...
I, issue-wise, am as much Conservative, Constitution, Tea Party, and Anthropogenic Global Warming is nonsense and a scheme to enact massive taxation on human productivity --wise as a free market human can delve.
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I don't understand why people cheer for politicians.
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"Nothing to see here, unless we're talking about me killing bin laden (bush's administration started that crew btw)!"
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I don't understand why people cheer for politicians.
Who is cheering for a pol?
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I've some passive aggressive perpetually butthurt bull$hit from the resident prog libs and ProgLibs posing as Centerists. But this does take the proverbial cake.
It's also hilarious that some of the ProgLibs are so angered up over the thought that their total dumbass hero Barack Obama and the equally dumbass sociopathic Dem front runner Hillary Clinton are very much at the forefront of creating this mess. That they actually think I'm happy.
When I've been preaching about getting the f_ck out of Syria and stopping these clandestine wars of aggression for what amounts to years now.
Eff you dbags.
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I don't understand why people cheer for politicians.
Who is cheering for a pol?
Everyone but me.
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For flying spaghetti sakes Joe Biden and Hillarry Clinton couldn't effing wait to overthrow Saddam, if they could have pulled out the Pom Poms on the Senate floor or in committee to cheer on the process they would have.
Hillary spearheaded the effort to topple Libya and then use it to recruit Islamic thugs to ship off to Syria.
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Let the tears flow, Dax.
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The junta in Washington that kisses all over The Muslim Brotherhood and wanted them in charge in Egypt. What mother rough riding mess that would have been.
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"Nothing to see here, unless we're talking about me killing bin laden (bush's administration started that crew btw)!"
Actually you can trace what created Bin Laden all the way back to the Carter Administration and Zbignew Brezenski.
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People preach gun control quickly after mass shootings
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I wonder if all the necessary first responders are even at the scene of mass killing events in the US before ProgLibs start talking politics and gun control. They practically bathe in the blood of the dead in those cases.
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^
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I hate all of this!
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I wonder if all the necessary first responders are even at the scene of mass killing events in the US before ProgLibs start talking politics and gun control. They practically bathe in the blood of the dead in those cases.
weird, since your side was complaining about there not being enough guns while people were still being summarily executed
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Link
I can go to the school shooting thread and find ProgLibs playing politics before all the news vans have arrived on scene
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Dem Lead Clandestine Wars of Aggression creating scenes of mass murder: Oh, we must wait to discuss politics.
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Dem Lead Clandestine Wars of Aggression creating scenes of mass murder: Oh, we must wait to discuss politics.
The fact that you have to put America at the center of every event in the world shows your lack of objectivity. This conflict has been brewing because of hundreds of years of religious conflict, a hundred years of European colonial influence, 50 years of political rivalry in the region by regional powers, and 11 years of US running into the region like a bull in a china shop, 5 years of a growing religious death cult. Dems leading clandestine wars isn't even on the top of the list for why this situation got as mumped up as it is. But I've noted that before, as others have, and with great evidence/news commentary to boot, and you can't assimilate any of that into your world view. It's sad that you continue to bang out these posts to argue at the wall. We all agree the US has done some mumped up things. But to set up this world where only the US is pushing these dominoes into play shows that you don't have the intellectual capacity to talk like an adult and understand what is really going on. So why don't you give your keyboard a rest, we all agree black ops that go bad are bad. The US shouldn't do it. The US shouldn't be hypocrites about a lot of things. Go read a rough ridin' book (preferably one not written by Bill O'Reilly or anyone else at Foxnews).
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f_ck
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Everyone is going to die. Whether it's in in 100 minutes or 100 years. We all go back to the Earth. For we belong to the Earth. The Earth does not belong to us.
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Everyone is going to die. Whether it's in in 100 minutes or 100 years. We all go back to the Earth. For we belong to the Earth. The Earth does not belong to us.
In the end all that we can hope is that the love that we've felt is at least equal to the pain we've gone through.
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hey politics only boarders, gE is the absolute king of merging and splitting threads to keep things organized and has been for way before you weirdos came around. if you don't like it feel free to move to your own personal political safe zones. nobody in censoring your garbage posts.
That is exactly what you're doing. And you know it.
I just posted it so it is exactly what I'm doing
You are segregating posts related to the Paris attacks to a separate thread you created and incorrectly named because you don't like the message. That's heavy handed speech policing.
not liking the message has nothing to do with it. separating divergent messages does. if you want to set up a hunger strike about it feel free.
You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears. The Paris attacks are related to ISIS and are pertinent to our own foreign and immigration policies. These topics are far more closely related than a lot of divergent topics that get brought up in threads. You're speech policing based on content, plain and simple. And it's ironic that you're doing it at a time when we've been discussing this exact problem on college campuses.
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Computer jock to the rescue! Nobody implicates the Messiah on my message board!!!!
What a rough ridin' dweeb
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If every cloud has a silver lining, this thread is the Paris terrorist attack silver lining.
also possible hotel prices
Well, yeah.
Dammit. Would someone please move these posts to a new thread already? They're off topic.
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I've some passive aggressive perpetually butthurt bull$hit from the resident prog libs and ProgLibs posing as Centerists. But this does take the proverbial cake.
It's also hilarious that some of the ProgLibs are so angered up over the thought that their total dumbass hero Barack Obama and the equally dumbass sociopathic Dem front runner Hillary Clinton are very much at the forefront of creating this mess. That they actually think I'm happy.
When I've been preaching about getting the f_ck out of Syria and stopping these clandestine wars of aggression for what amounts to years now.
Eff you dbags.
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The proglibs throw a tantrum when their policies blow up in their face, get all over sensitive and shut down the dialogue, and then accuse others of throwing a fit. Yeah, that and bush is the reason isis marched right through the ME is about as delusional and psychopathic as it gets
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The proglibs throw a tantrum when their policies blow up in their face, get all over sensitive and shut down the dialogue, and then accuse others of throwing a fit. Yeah, that and bush is the reason isis marched right through the ME is about as delusional and psychopathic as it gets
The projection really is pretty pathetic. I enjoyed the tantrum gifs though.
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entertaining thread to be sure. But ya, the current admin. should have this mess pinned on them.
Ts and Ps to the French citizens, victims of a failed policy.
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Anyone blaming France's leadership in here, or is it just Barry?
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I feel for how the people whose posts were moved must be feeling as marginalized as black Mizzou students. If their cries aren't heard at a time like this, when will they ever be?
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They were def swag surfing for a while there.
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Anyone blaming France's leadership in here, or is it just Barry?
France: "Barry, why don't you take the wheel" :driving:
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The fact that you have to put America at the center of every event in the world shows your lack of objectivity. (absolutely laughable, I have never put America at the center of every event in the World, typical EDN over the top hyperbole)
This conflict has been brewing because of hundreds of years of religious conflict, a hundred years of European colonial influence, 50 years of political rivalry in the region by regional powers, and 11 years of US running into the region like a bull in a china shop, 5 years of a growing religious death cult. (Captain Obvious points of which many I have addressed on numerous occasions)
Dems leading clandestine wars isn't even on the top of the list for why this situation got as mumped up as it is. But I've noted that before, as others have, and with great evidence/news commentary to boot, and you can't assimilate any of that into your world view. It's sad that you continue to bang out these posts to argue at the wall. (Just because what I say cuts against the entirety of the grain of your delicate ProgLib hyper sensitivity doesn't make it any less true. In addition I have constantly alluded the U.S. AND Western Powers, apparently you have chosen to completely ignore that. I was talking about Russia getting involved on the level of which they have in Syria months before it happened. The facts are irrefutable that this administration has lit the fires of overthrow and destabilization and then left the scene of the crime like bad guys who don't look at the explosion)
We all agree the US has done some mumped up things. But to set up this world where only the US is pushing these dominoes into play shows that you don't have the intellectual capacity to talk like an adult and understand what is really going on. So why don't you give your keyboard a rest, we all agree black ops that go bad are bad. The US shouldn't do it. The US shouldn't be hypocrites about a lot of things. Go read a rough ridin' book (First of all, only a total dumbass would think that what I am saying has anything to do with Bill O'Reilly or Fox News. Really, is Fox News calling for an end of clandestine wars of aggression? Is Fox News calling for an end of assassination by drone? Is Fox News calling for an end of support to Theological Dictatorships who as proxies of the U.S. are heightening the chaos and catastrophe that is Syria? Is Fox News calling out the Administration for its idiotic and absolutely unnecessary overthrow of the Libyan Government and subsequently turning Libya into a "freedom fighter" recruitment and a weapons depot for clandestine wars in Syria? I barely even pay attention to Fox News unless they're hosting a presidential debate)
You're entire post was total drivel, as usual.
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at least use a color that doesnt hurt my eyes dax good grief
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Don't worry France. America has got your back.
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The fact that you have to put America at the center of every event in the world shows your lack of objectivity. (absolutely laughable, I have never put America at the center of every event in the World, typical EDN over the top hyperbole)
This conflict has been brewing because of hundreds of years of religious conflict, a hundred years of European colonial influence, 50 years of political rivalry in the region by regional powers, and 11 years of US running into the region like a bull in a china shop, 5 years of a growing religious death cult. (Captain Obvious points of which many I have addressed on numerous occasions)
Dems leading clandestine wars isn't even on the top of the list for why this situation got as mumped up as it is. But I've noted that before, as others have, and with great evidence/news commentary to boot, and you can't assimilate any of that into your world view. It's sad that you continue to bang out these posts to argue at the wall. (Just because what I say cuts against the entirety of the grain of your delicate ProgLib hyper sensitivity doesn't make it any less true. In addition I have constantly alluded the U.S. AND Western Powers, apparently you have chosen to completely ignore that. I was talking about Russia getting involved on the level of which they have in Syria months before it happened. The facts are irrefutable that this administration has lit the fires of overthrow and destabilization and then left the scene of the crime like bad guys who don't look at the explosion)
We all agree the US has done some mumped up things. But to set up this world where only the US is pushing these dominoes into play shows that you don't have the intellectual capacity to talk like an adult and understand what is really going on. So why don't you give your keyboard a rest, we all agree black ops that go bad are bad. The US shouldn't do it. The US shouldn't be hypocrites about a lot of things. Go read a rough ridin' book (First of all, only a total dumbass would think that what I am saying has anything to do with Bill O'Reilly or Fox News. Really, is Fox News calling for an end of clandestine wars of aggression? Is Fox News calling for an end of assassination by drone? Is Fox News calling for an end of support to Theological Dictatorships who as proxies of the U.S. are heightening the chaos and catastrophe that is Syria? Is Fox News calling out the Administration for its idiotic and absolutely unnecessary overthrow of the Libyan Government and subsequently turning Libya into a "freedom fighter" recruitment and a weapons depot for clandestine wars in Syria? I barely even pay attention to Fox News unless they're hosting a presidential debate)
You're entire post was total drivel, as usual.
This is a pretty good post. I agree with most of it.
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Was Paris bombed during Bush's presidency? H×$!#&* F&÷€;!* no!!!! Obutthole's naive arab spring has yielded demonic weeds. And he wants to bring these people to America, sheesh.
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Was Paris bombed during Bush's presidency? H×$!#&* F&÷€;!* no!!!! Obutthole's naive arab spring has yielded demonic weeds. And he wants to bring these people to America, sheesh.
ha
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
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cRusty and I making beautiful music.
:whistle1:
Fantastic way to export Jihad, nice work Obama Administration.
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
Holy eff. Those refugees are trying to bail from the same people that the civilized world has now vowed to eradicate, and you're pissed that the US is setting up more screening locations to help them bail? Last night's mods separation of edn's news thread and your political bullshit must have burst some blood vessels in your brain.
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You think there's anyone in that group that's going to be a little angry that the U.S. and its proxies have destabilized Syria?
The global war on terror just got even more global, thanks to the Obama Administration and friends.
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
Holy eff. Those refugees are trying to bail from the same people that the civilized world has now vowed to eradicate, and you're pissed that the US is setting up more screening locations to help them bail? Last night's mods separation of edn's news thread and your political bullshit must have burst some blood vessels in your brain.
Some are refugees. Others are terrorists. Let's let other countries sort that out. I'd rather not play trial and error on Anerican soil, thanks.
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Roger Simon sums it up. ISIS has flourished in the power vacuum created by this presidents retreat and dithering.
I am not going to blame Barack Obama entirely for what happened in Paris Friday — but mostly. And that’s not just because he famously called ISIS the jayvee team, when they are now unequivocally the New York Yankees or the Manchester United of terror, repellent as that analogy may be (he started it).
But what is clear from the carnage at The Bataclan theatre and elsewhere in Paris that we will be studying for weeks or months to come is that the West has no leader in our evident civilizational war — no Churchill, no Roosevelt, no de Gaulle, not even a George W. Bush. It’s certainly not Barack Obama, a ludicrous man who thinks the world’s greatest problem is climate change in the face of Islamic terror. This is the same man who oversaw, indeed instigated, a large-scale American démarche for the first time since World War II.
And look what happened. Well, we all know. We are living at a time when the Islamic world is having a nervous breakdown, actually more like a violent psychotic break, in its encounter with modernity and is determined to bring us all down with it.
Something must be done, but by whom? (As I write this, Paris is under mandatory curfew, the nation’s borders sealed. Are we next?) America, once the country everyone turned to, needs someone serious at its helm never more than now. The world needs it. But who is it?
Hillary Clinton, the sleazy liar and confidant of the even sleazier Sidney Blumenthal, the woman Donald Trump was correct in alleging is running for president at least in part to stay out of jail? Doesn’t that sound reassuring?
What about Trump himself? On the surface, and maybe below it too, he seems the man most likely to profit from this horror. If that’s true, I only hope he’s up to it. I admit to being seriously disturbed by his recent comments about Ben Carson, accusing the doctor of psychopathy. It’s not that he has to walk that back (although he certainly should). It’s obvious that many of Donald’s outrageous comments come from a position of insecurity. But now more than ever he should realize we’re in serious times. If he wants the most important job in the world, he better act like he deserves it.
But here’s one statement he really should walk back at this point. In fact it’s mandatory if he wishes to take office. I’m referring to his casual remark that he’d let Putin handle ISIS if he wishes. He’d be doing us a favor.
How does that look now, Donald? Not so hot, I know. ISIS — and related groups — are, sad to say, the number one responsibility of the president of the United States. No one else is going to do it ultimately.
If you’re not willing to take that on, pass the baton to someone who is. Marco Rubio is one idea. He’s young and green, but seems to be about as clear-eyed as anybody about the enemy.
But if you want to prove you are the right commander-in-chief, here’s an idea for you, Donald. Get on one of your private jets and fly to Paris. Act presidential, even if the actual president doesn’t. Try to figure out what to do about this growing terror threat that is going to be the major problem of the next administration. Educate yourself and show real interest. Gain all the knowledge you can. And if you want to have some fun in the midst of this dreadful situation, make fun of Obama for concentrating on climate change while the world burns. You might even ask him for his science grades.
But keep this in mind most of all, if you want that job. Tonight, from a jihadi on Twitter: “The American blood is the best blood and we will taste it soon.” Trust me — they mean it.
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
Holy eff. Those refugees are trying to bail from the same people that the civilized world has now vowed to eradicate, and you're pissed that the US is setting up more screening locations to help them bail? Last night's mods separation of edn's news thread and your political bullshit must have burst some blood vessels in your brain.
Some are refugees. Others are terrorists. Let's let other countries sort that out. I'd rather not play trial and error on Anerican soil, thanks.
Do you even read the bullshit that you post anymore? A suspected terrorist likely traveled in a boat through Greece to participate in the Paris attack, and that's directly related to the US setting up screening locations in Iran and Lebanon to allow maybe 10,000 heavily screened refugees into the US? Lol Go back to your temper tantrum thread.
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
Holy eff. Those refugees are trying to bail from the same people that the civilized world has now vowed to eradicate, and you're pissed that the US is setting up more screening locations to help them bail? Last night's mods separation of edn's news thread and your political bullshit must have burst some blood vessels in your brain.
Some are refugees. Others are terrorists. Let's let other countries sort that out. I'd rather not play trial and error on Anerican soil, thanks.
Do you even read the bullshit that you post anymore? A suspected terrorist likely traveled in a boat through Greece to participate in the Paris attack, and that's directly related to the US setting up screening locations in Iran and Lebanon to allow maybe 10,000 heavily screened refugees into the US? Lol Go back to your temper tantrum thread.
Oh. They'll be "heavily screened?" Well ok then. Never mind. I'm sure it'll be just fine... :facepalm:
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
Holy eff. Those refugees are trying to bail from the same people that the civilized world has now vowed to eradicate, and you're pissed that the US is setting up more screening locations to help them bail? Last night's mods separation of edn's news thread and your political bullshit must have burst some blood vessels in your brain.
Some are refugees. Others are terrorists. Let's let other countries sort that out. I'd rather not play trial and error on Anerican soil, thanks.
Do you even read the bullshit that you post anymore? A suspected terrorist likely traveled in a boat through Greece to participate in the Paris attack, and that's directly related to the US setting up screening locations in Iran and Lebanon to allow maybe 10,000 heavily screened refugees into the US? Lol Go back to your temper tantrum thread.
Oh. They'll be "heavily screened?" Well ok then. Never mind. I'm sure it'll be just fine... :facepalm:
Explain how allowing a limited number of refugees a year from now coming to the US adversely threatens our national security. Considering that there were French nationalists involved with the terrorist attacks, are you in favor of not allowing anyone of French nationality travel to the US? Or the Belgium ties, maybe nobody from there either?
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French Nationalists?
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Steve Dave will need to confirm whether I put this in the right thread.
Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
Obama works to fast track Syrian refugees to US (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576)
Holy eff. Those refugees are trying to bail from the same people that the civilized world has now vowed to eradicate, and you're pissed that the US is setting up more screening locations to help them bail? Last night's mods separation of edn's news thread and your political bullshit must have burst some blood vessels in your brain.
Some are refugees. Others are terrorists. Let's let other countries sort that out. I'd rather not play trial and error on Anerican soil, thanks.
Do you even read the bullshit that you post anymore? A suspected terrorist likely traveled in a boat through Greece to participate in the Paris attack, and that's directly related to the US setting up screening locations in Iran and Lebanon to allow maybe 10,000 heavily screened refugees into the US? Lol Go back to your temper tantrum thread.
Oh. They'll be "heavily screened?" Well ok then. Never mind. I'm sure it'll be just fine... :facepalm:
I really enjoyed the part where you make up facts and use infor wars quality webpages as your citation.
FYI to people who give a crap about the truth, the passport was "registered" through Greece. We haven't heard what type of registration that was or if for sure this passport is connected to this terrorist.
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French Nationalists?
Well yeah, since reports that the terrorists at The Bataclan "spoke French with no noticeable accent" I think our buddy KSU would support not allowing any French Nationalists inside our borders either.
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You might want to evaluate your definition of "Nationalist"
In most parlance's a "Nationalist" is going to want to defend their country against outside influence.
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You might want to evaluate your definition of "Nationalist"
In most parlance's a "Nationalist" is going to want to defend their country against outside influence.
They are a group of people that speak French just like some of the terrorists reportedly did. Therefore, they could be terrorists and the US should explicitly keep any of them from ever being admitted through the US border.
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The fact that you have to put America at the center of every event in the world shows your lack of objectivity. (absolutely laughable, I have never put America at the center of every event in the World, typical EDN over the top hyperbole)
This conflict has been brewing because of hundreds of years of religious conflict, a hundred years of European colonial influence, 50 years of political rivalry in the region by regional powers, and 11 years of US running into the region like a bull in a china shop, 5 years of a growing religious death cult. (Captain Obvious points of which many I have addressed on numerous occasions)
Dems leading clandestine wars isn't even on the top of the list for why this situation got as mumped up as it is. But I've noted that before, as others have, and with great evidence/news commentary to boot, and you can't assimilate any of that into your world view. It's sad that you continue to bang out these posts to argue at the wall. (Just because what I say cuts against the entirety of the grain of your delicate ProgLib hyper sensitivity doesn't make it any less true. In addition I have constantly alluded the U.S. AND Western Powers, apparently you have chosen to completely ignore that. I was talking about Russia getting involved on the level of which they have in Syria months before it happened. The facts are irrefutable that this administration has lit the fires of overthrow and destabilization and then left the scene of the crime like bad guys who don't look at the explosion)
We all agree the US has done some mumped up things. But to set up this world where only the US is pushing these dominoes into play shows that you don't have the intellectual capacity to talk like an adult and understand what is really going on. So why don't you give your keyboard a rest, we all agree black ops that go bad are bad. The US shouldn't do it. The US shouldn't be hypocrites about a lot of things. Go read a rough ridin' book (First of all, only a total dumbass would think that what I am saying has anything to do with Bill O'Reilly or Fox News. Really, is Fox News calling for an end of clandestine wars of aggression? Is Fox News calling for an end of assassination by drone? Is Fox News calling for an end of support to Theological Dictatorships who as proxies of the U.S. are heightening the chaos and catastrophe that is Syria? Is Fox News calling out the Administration for its idiotic and absolutely unnecessary overthrow of the Libyan Government and subsequently turning Libya into a "freedom fighter" recruitment and a weapons depot for clandestine wars in Syria? I barely even pay attention to Fox News unless they're hosting a presidential debate)
You're entire post was total drivel, as usual.
You say hyperbole, but every post you make about a region of instability you link back to Obama. Sorry that is your post history. If you don't feel that way, be less of a shitty poster.
To your point about captain obvs....well it's not from your posting. You never talk about colonialism, you never talk about the war in Iraq being the most recent cause for this regional instability (because you'd have to hop off that Republican male genitals you love so much). And you sure as eff never talk about the regional players who are the root cause to the continued instability. You sure as eff don't talk about Turkey, a NATO ally running guns into ISIS against our wishes. Why don't you talk about stuff like that, because it would utterly destroy your talking points of a world hegemon US, headed by Obama, running amok and blundering from conflict to conflict. None of those facts fit your narrative so you don't even ignore them, you put blinders on and viciously attack anyone who brings up relevant facts that check your points. You don't have an ounce of ideological credibility to discuss things because your narrative is informing your view, not the facts.
Those facts that you conveniently ignore, are not part of a proglib agenda. They are part of what we call "truth" and I'm sorry that your agenda driven perspective is so blinded by anything that runs counter to your preconceptions that you must block it off as "proglib" (or whatever the neo right will call it next month). The fact that you "allude" to US and Western powers is the problem. There is nothing to allude to. It's part of your issues with the truth that there are other actors outside the US and the amorphous "allies"/everyone else. The facts that you "allude" to this shows how rough ridin' ignorant you are, when our "allies" are acting against American foreign policy. The fact is every time you homogenize "allies" it shows that you don't understand there are a eff load of countries in the region pursuing their own policy goals that run counter to ours. These facts can't fit into your narrative so you are ignoring them and failing to assimilate them. It's the same bullshit from the neo-right that got us mumped in Iraq to begin with because you are smoothing out details you find irrelevant at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and the security of this nation. Stop and examine something that runs counter to your small world and expand your rough ridin' horizons.
Your points about Russia here make no sense. Anyone who understands policy knows that Russia is doing this for only their self interest and it has eff all to do with combating ISIS. It's semi related because they are starting a larger fire *here* so islamo fascism doesn't burn in their backyard in Chechnya or Georgia. It has more to do with rough ridin' with the "west" and you would know that if you payed attention to who they were attacking in the opening weeks of their operation. Instead you're too busy with your face in Putin's lap to look at what is going on around you. But that would require you fitting facts into your narrative that might eff up your anti-Obama agenda.
And the point about foxnews, is that their journalistic integrity is a solid as your reasoning. I love the "I barely even pay attention to Fox News" talking point though, it makes for a good laugh when you're spouting off their talking points week after week, see your prolific use of "proglib". But lets not belabor that point. You only get your news from sources fit your agenda. Fine and dandy you don't "pay attention" to foxnews. I'll away your next batch of talking points though. I'm sure they won't fit anything breitbart, fox, drudge, daily caller, weekly standard, or red state are putting out there.
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You might want to evaluate your definition of "Nationalist"
In most parlance's a "Nationalist" is going to want to defend their country against outside influence.
They are a group of people that speak French just like some of the terrorists reportedly did. Therefore, they could be terrorists and the US should explicitly keep any of them from ever being admitted through the US border.
He is being a $!#* because you didn't say "french national." In his world a minor slip means your entire point is now invalid, even though everyone knew exactly what you mean.
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If we hadn't left a power vacuum in Syria, would the terrorists be attacking us instead of France?
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You might want to evaluate your definition of "Nationalist"
In most parlance's a "Nationalist" is going to want to defend their country against outside influence.
They are a group of people that speak French just like some of the terrorists reportedly did. Therefore, they could be terrorists and the US should explicitly keep any of them from ever being admitted through the US border.
He is being a $!#* because you didn't say "french national." In his world a minor slip means your entire point is now invalid, even though everyone knew exactly what you mean.
Which is more interesting because I wasn't calling out his shitty posting, just KSU's.
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words are important. i support dax highlighting the erroneous use of nationalists instead of nationals.
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If we hadn't left a power vacuum in Syria, would the terrorists be attacking us instead of France?
no.
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Yeah, probably not. They might still attack Paris though
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If we hadn't left a power vacuum in Syria, would the terrorists be attacking us instead of France?
what do you think is happening in Syria? This is a semi honest question here.
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If we hadn't left a power vacuum in Syria, would the terrorists be attacking us instead of France?
what do you think is happening in Syria? This is a semi honest question here.
I have no idea, at least with regards to how we could have prevented the Paris attacks.
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Not sure if you guys know, but terrorist attacks are unique to the obama administration
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Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
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Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
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Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
I think what sys is saying is the terrorists wanted everyone to know this was carried out by the fully contained JV team known as ISIL.
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It is truly amazing the mental contortions some will go through to deny that American foreign policy is a shambles and has allowed terrorists to proliferate.
It is just willful ignorance. Their preferred candidates won't even admit there is a problem with radical Islam. Shipping in tens of thousands of "refugees" from Islamic nations despite the FBI director saying they can't be fully vetted? Bring them on in!
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/13/obama_i_dont_want_to_speculate_who_is_behind_paris_attack.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/13/obama_i_dont_want_to_speculate_who_is_behind_paris_attack.html)
But you know what it wasn't? Radical Islam, cause I can't say those words. I also can't say it was ISIS, cause I just said that JV squad was contained. Like, I literally said that the same day as the attack.
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"Just wait." ISIS warned over a month ago that thousands had been smuggled into Europe as refugees. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees)
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Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
I heard ISIS had captured a passport office in Syria.
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Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
I heard ISIS had captured a passport office in Syria.
So they can make Syrian passports? Good for them.
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You say hyperbole, but every post you make about a region of instability you link back to Obama. Sorry that is your post history. If you don't feel that way, be less of a shitty poster. (another screed from EDN :rolleyes:, and me linking everything to Obama is crap, but he has been in office for what, SEVEN years now?)
To your point about captain obvs....well it's not from your posting. You never talk about colonialism, you never talk about the war in Iraq being the most recent cause for this regional instability (because you'd have to hop off that Republican crock you love so much). (I mentioned Iraq earlier in this thread, and clandestine wars of aggression are just another form of colonialism, and it's absolutely irrefutable that the current SOS, the former SOS and the sitting VP were major proponents of the Iraq War and Hillary's husband tried to wag the dog with Iraq when he was president)
And you sure as eff never talk about the regional players who are the root cause to the continued instability. (I've talked about Saudi Arabia and others being engaged for a long time in many posts, but they're still by and large proxies of the United States and/or Western Intlligence agencies) You sure as eff don't talk about Turkey, a NATO ally running guns into ISIS against our wishes. (I've talked about gun running to ISIS often and if you think it was done against our wishes, or U.S. weapons or at least U.S. shipped weapons aren't in the hands of ISIS either purposefully or by accident you're an utter whack-a-doodle) Why don't you talk about stuff like that, because it would utterly destroy your talking points of a world hegemon US, headed by Obama (As Glenn Greenwald so succinctly said a few years back, the Obama Administration on some levels was and in some ways still is out neo-con'ing the neo-cons) running amok and blundering from conflict to conflict. None of those facts fit your narrative so you don't even ignore them, you put blinders on and viciously attack anyone who brings up relevant facts that check your points. (total bullshit) You don't have an ounce of ideological credibility to discuss things because your narrative is informing your view, not the facts. (laughable, you've been nothing but a constant apologist for all things Obama and all things Dem/Prog-Lib)
Those facts that you conveniently ignore, are not part of a proglib agenda. They are part of what we call "truth" and I'm sorry that your agenda driven perspective is so blinded by anything that runs counter to your preconceptions that you must block it off as "proglib" (or whatever the neo right will call it next month). The fact that you "allude" to US and Western powers is the problem. There is nothing to allude to. It's part of your issues with the truth that there are other actors outside the US and the amorphous "allies"/everyone else. The facts that you "allude" to this shows how rough ridin' ignorant you are, when our "allies" are acting against American foreign policy. The fact is every time you homogenize "allies" it shows that you don't understand there are a eff load of countries in the region pursuing their own policy goals that run counter to ours. These facts can't fit into your narrative so you are ignoring them and failing to assimilate them. It's the same bullshit from the neo-right that got us mumped in Iraq to begin with because you are smoothing out details you find irrelevant at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and the security of this nation. Stop and examine something that runs counter to your small world and expand your rough ridin' horizons. (All Captain Obvious points understood a long time ago, the simple facts there is no regime change in Libya there is no real attempt at regime change in Syria, there is likely less destabilization in Yemen, and there is less propping up of Theological Dictatorships without the United States, not to mention the idiotic attempt to . . . STILL! To get the Muslim Brotherhood back at the table in Egypt, without the United States)
Your points about Russia here make no sense. Anyone who understands policy knows that Russia is doing this for only their self interest and it has eff all to do with combating ISIS. It's semi related because they are starting a larger fire *here* so islamo fascism doesn't burn in their backyard in Chechnya or Georgia. It has more to do with rough ridin' with the "west" and you would know that if you payed attention to who they were attacking in the opening weeks of their operation. Instead you're too busy with your face in Putin's lap to look at what is going on around you. But that would require you fitting facts into your narrative that might eff up your anti-Obama agenda. (I talked about Russia's self interests a long time ago on this board, you apparently weren't paying any attention)
And the point about foxnews, is that their journalistic integrity is a solid as your reasoning. I love the "I barely even pay attention to Fox News" talking point though, it makes for a good laugh when you're spouting off their talking points week after week, see your prolific use of "proglib". But lets not belabor that point. You only get your news from sources fit your agenda. Fine and dandy you don't "pay attention" to foxnews. I'll away your next batch of talking points though. I'm sure they won't fit anything breitbart, fox, drudge, daily caller, weekly standard, or red state are putting out there. (Again, you can't have this conversation with somebody who either doesn't pay any attention to what I've actually posted on this board and is such a hardcore apologist for all things Prog-Lib. I have repeatedly and continuously posted articles from media sources and entities that will never be discussed on Drudge, or Fox News . . . again, apparently you weren't paying any attention. Your re-hasing stuff I was talking about months, even years ago all because you simply cannot handle any criticism of the Obama Administration)
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i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
strategy 101, ksuw fails.
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You say hyperbole, but every post you make about a region of instability you link back to Obama. Sorry that is your post history. If you don't feel that way, be less of a shitty poster. (another screed from EDN :rolleyes:, and me linking everything to Obama is crap, but he has been in office for what, SEVEN years now?)
To your point about captain obvs....well it's not from your posting. You never talk about colonialism, you never talk about the war in Iraq being the most recent cause for this regional instability (because you'd have to hop off that Republican crock you love so much). (I mentioned Iraq earlier in this thread, and clandestine wars of aggression are just another form of colonialism, and it's absolutely irrefutable that the current SOS, the former SOS and the sitting VP were major proponents of the Iraq War and Hillary's husband tried to wag the dog with Iraq when he was president)
And you sure as eff never talk about the regional players who are the root cause to the continued instability. (I've talked about Saudi Arabia and others being engaged for a long time in many posts, but they're still by and large proxies of the United States and/or Western Intlligence agencies) You sure as eff don't talk about Turkey, a NATO ally running guns into ISIS against our wishes. (I've talked about gun running to ISIS often and if you think it was done against our wishes, or U.S. weapons or at least U.S. shipped weapons aren't in the hands of ISIS either purposefully or by accident you're an utter whack-a-doodle) Why don't you talk about stuff like that, because it would utterly destroy your talking points of a world hegemon US, headed by Obama (As Glenn Greenwald so succinctly said a few years back, the Obama Administration on some levels was and in some ways still is out neo-con'ing the neo-cons) running amok and blundering from conflict to conflict. None of those facts fit your narrative so you don't even ignore them, you put blinders on and viciously attack anyone who brings up relevant facts that check your points. (total bullshit) You don't have an ounce of ideological credibility to discuss things because your narrative is informing your view, not the facts. (laughable, you've been nothing but a constant apologist for all things Obama and all things Dem/Prog-Lib)
Those facts that you conveniently ignore, are not part of a proglib agenda. They are part of what we call "truth" and I'm sorry that your agenda driven perspective is so blinded by anything that runs counter to your preconceptions that you must block it off as "proglib" (or whatever the neo right will call it next month). The fact that you "allude" to US and Western powers is the problem. There is nothing to allude to. It's part of your issues with the truth that there are other actors outside the US and the amorphous "allies"/everyone else. The facts that you "allude" to this shows how rough ridin' ignorant you are, when our "allies" are acting against American foreign policy. The fact is every time you homogenize "allies" it shows that you don't understand there are a eff load of countries in the region pursuing their own policy goals that run counter to ours. These facts can't fit into your narrative so you are ignoring them and failing to assimilate them. It's the same bullshit from the neo-right that got us mumped in Iraq to begin with because you are smoothing out details you find irrelevant at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and the security of this nation. Stop and examine something that runs counter to your small world and expand your rough ridin' horizons. (All Captain Obvious points understood a long time ago, the simple facts there is no regime change in Libya there is no real attempt at regime change in Syria, there is likely less destabilization in Yemen, and there is less propping up of Theological Dictatorships without the United States, not to mention the idiotic attempt to . . . STILL! To get the Muslim Brotherhood back at the table in Egypt, without the United States)
Your points about Russia here make no sense. Anyone who understands policy knows that Russia is doing this for only their self interest and it has eff all to do with combating ISIS. It's semi related because they are starting a larger fire *here* so islamo fascism doesn't burn in their backyard in Chechnya or Georgia. It has more to do with rough ridin' with the "west" and you would know that if you payed attention to who they were attacking in the opening weeks of their operation. Instead you're too busy with your face in Putin's lap to look at what is going on around you. But that would require you fitting facts into your narrative that might eff up your anti-Obama agenda. (I talked about Russia's self interests a long time ago on this board, you apparently weren't paying any attention)
And the point about foxnews, is that their journalistic integrity is a solid as your reasoning. I love the "I barely even pay attention to Fox News" talking point though, it makes for a good laugh when you're spouting off their talking points week after week, see your prolific use of "proglib". But lets not belabor that point. You only get your news from sources fit your agenda. Fine and dandy you don't "pay attention" to foxnews. I'll away your next batch of talking points though. I'm sure they won't fit anything breitbart, fox, drudge, daily caller, weekly standard, or red state are putting out there. (Again, you can't have this conversation with somebody who either doesn't pay any attention to what I've actually posted on this board and is such a hardcore apologist for all things Prog-Lib. I have repeatedly and continuously posted articles from media sources and entities that will never be discussed on Drudge, or Fox News . . . again, apparently you weren't paying any attention. Your re-hasing stuff I was talking about months, even years ago all because you simply cannot handle any criticism of the Obama Administration)
Fine you don't want a discussion, here we go....
You're a rough ridin' liar. You haven't posted half the crap you claim to have. You're lying about saying was Turkey running guns for their own interests because you said it was Obama/CIA doing it. You are lying about linking it to the Iraq war in a meaningful way. The rest of your bullshit has no intellectual basis. Everything you are claiming about news sources is bullshit because your talking points you recite daily betray you. If you find something on google news and post it, it doesn't make up for the hundreds of posts you have practically weekly, that say the opposite. You're an intellectual coward (note how you don't quote anything you've said proving my critiques wrong when I'm quoting your bullshit). You can't conceive of a world where the US doesn't try to run everything and your point about SA, Turk, and UAE being proxies shows you don't know what the eff you are talking. We haven't been able to get them off the sidelines in a meaningful way and had beg Turkey to let us use Incirlik. So eff your neo-colonialist conspiracy theorist mindset. You're an ass who would rather make political hay while the French blood is still being spilt because, like many Republicans now, the safety of the US and our allies, the merit of our values are second, and the truth of what America is doing in the world are all secondary to attacking Obama.
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This piece does a good job of explaining why the US has used some of the language it has used to describe Daesh. I agree with many of the points. It's a shame the neo-right doesn't *get* this.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/09/words-matter-isis-war-use-daesh/V85GYEuasEEJgrUun0dMUP/story.html?event=event25
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If we hadn't left a power vacuum in Syria, would the terrorists be attacking us instead of France?
what do you think is happening in Syria? This is a semi honest question here.
I have no idea, at least with regards to how we could have prevented the Paris attacks.
Here is what I'm having issues with...we haven't "left" to create a power vacuum in Syria. As much as the neocons here want you to think this US "started" this, it was an organic Syrian uprising in Syria. Daesh moved into those lands because there was no functioning sovereign state to keep them out. I think it might be a good topic to talk about for everyone.
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Fine you don't want a discussion, here we go.... (Where did I say I didn't want a discussion, I said you can't discuss this with people like you, I'm tearing you to shreds here, so you keep moving the goalposts to try and make a point, but you're not making any that aren't already understood).
You're a rough ridin' liar. You haven't posted half the crap you claim to have. (you're hilarious and slow, I see you commenting on articles that were posted by others when I posted the same articles days before, the articles from the Atlantic about the campus situations are perfect examples) You're lying about saying was Turkey running guns for their own interests because you said it was Obama/CIA doing it. You are lying about linking it to the Iraq war in a meaningful way. (I have never said it was ONLY the Obama/CIA doing it, but this is willful ignorance of how the CIA has been unleashed by this administration. The Intelligence complex that the U.S. runs is massive, for example there's more then ample proof that U.S. intelligence was running former Libyan military weapons into Syria, and as I said that's just one example. The CIA has been unleashed by this administration) The rest of your bullshit has no intellectual basis. Everything you are claiming about news sources is bullshit because your talking points you recite daily betray you. (You don't like the talking points so you talk all over yourself and conjure up stawman, because as I've said you clearly cannot handle any criticism of this administration) If you find something on google news and post it, it doesn't make up for the hundreds of posts you have practically weekly, that say the opposite. (Just more personal can't handle any criticism BS) You're an intellectual coward (note how you don't quote anything you've said proving my critiques wrong when I'm quoting your bullshit) (You haven't quoted anything, you're a complete whack-a-doodle, you're just writing one screed after another, full of nonsense). You can't conceive of a world where the US doesn't try to run everything and your point about SA, Turk, and UAE being proxies shows you don't know what the eff you are talking. (Apparently you can conceive of a world where the U.S. utterly impotent and doesn't in fact spend more on it's military industrial and intelligence complex then the next 7 to 10 countries combined. Apparently you live under the deluded belief that every action under taken or influenced by the United State by these proxies is going to be discussed on the front page of the NYT's or somehow make into the Congressional record) We haven't been able to get them off the sidelines in a meaningful way and had beg Turkey to let us use Incirlik.(Who is them? And thanks for telling all of us who pay any attention what we knew about Incirlik weeks ago, what has that really got to do with anything? You're just trying to sound smart . . . and doing it poorly I might add, because, as I've said you can't handle any criticism of this administration) So eff your neo-colonialist conspiracy theorist mindset. (so one minute I don't discuss colonialism and the next it's neo-colonialism Bullshit. So tell me for example who was running the entirety of the operation in Libya the end? U.S. drones overhead, JSOC boots on the ground. Who was the chief inciter of Arab Spring? Who selling more arms then anyone in the world to ME countries, by ratios factored 10:1, 15:1 or much higher? Just because old men smoking cigars aren't gathered in a room dividing up an old dusty map of the Middle East doesn't mean that a modern form of colonialism doesn't exist. Just more pseudo-intellectual nonsense from you). You're an ass who would rather make political hay while the French blood is still being spilt because, like many Republicans now, the safety of the US and our allies, the merit of our values are second, and the truth of what America is doing in the world are all secondary to attacking Obama. (First off there's an entirely other thread for Paris you dumbass, remember? It's absolutely hypocritical for any Prog-Lib to talk about making political hay because literally anything that happens that's centered around Prog-Lib causes and Prog-Libs will be politicizing it within minutes. The destabilization of Syria and terrorists infiltrating Europe and probably the U.S. as refugees is a direct result of U.S. and Western policy. Obama's leadership on this issue is just laughable, his little microphone time from the G20 yesterday was a passionless, stammering barrage of nothingness. He knows he and his administration are largely responsible for this mess getting out of hand. Since Obama has taken over the ME and the periphery and now Europe are ablaze in war (and probably soon here), far beyond just Afghanistan and Iraq and few brush fire situations. It's also not unthinkable to legitimately ask if it's been done on purpose)
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LOL at tearing me up :lol:
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Fine you don't want a discussion, here we go.... (Where did I say I didn't want a discussion, I said you can't discuss this with people like you, I'm tearing you to shreds here, so you keep moving the goalposts to try and make a point, but you're not making any that aren't already understood).
You're a rough ridin' liar. You haven't posted half the crap you claim to have. (you're hilarious and slow, I see you commenting on articles that were posted by others when I posted the same articles days before, the articles from the Atlantic about the campus situations are perfect examples) no response to show proof you didnt lie, because you know, you're lying, again. Nice
You're lying about saying was Turkey running guns for their own interests because you said it was Obama/CIA doing it. You are lying about linking it to the Iraq war in a meaningful way. (I have never said it was ONLY the Obama/CIA doing it, but this is willful ignorance of how the CIA has been unleashed by this administration. The Intelligence complex that the U.S. runs is massive, for example there's more then ample proof that U.S. intelligence was running former Libyan military weapons into Syria, and as I said that's just one example. The CIA has been unleashed by this administration)
Once again you aren't recognizing the facts about other countries you say are our allies acting in their own interests. You have no response by deflection back to Libya. Tap out bitch, you've lost this point every time you try to respond. You say it's one example, but it's your only "example" that you flail with. It's weak and doesn't scratch the surface of what is going on.
The rest of your bullshit has no intellectual basis. Everything you are claiming about news sources is bullshit because your talking points you recite daily betray you. (You don't like the talking points so you talk all over yourself and conjure up stawman, because as I've said you clearly cannot handle any criticism of this administration) I have no problem criticizing this admin and their repeated failures. I have a problem with rough ridin' blowhards like you running your rough ridin' mouths like you know what you're talking about polluting America. You should read a book or shut up. Facts are not strawmen.
If you find something on google news and post it, it doesn't make up for the hundreds of posts you have practically weekly, that say the opposite. (Just more personal can't handle any criticism BS)
LOL
You're an intellectual coward (note how you don't quote anything you've said proving my critiques wrong when I'm quoting your bullshit) (You haven't quoted anything, you're a complete whack-a-doodle, you're just writing one screed after another, full of nonsense). I don't need to quote anything....also because they don't exist. You need to point to any evidence of me showing how wrong you are, and you can't. That is why every "response" you have is a deflection.
You can't conceive of a world where the US doesn't try to run everything and your point about SA, Turk, and UAE being proxies shows you don't know what the eff you are talking. (Apparently you can conceive of a world where the U.S. utterly impotent and doesn't in fact spend more on it's military industrial and intelligence complex then the next 7 to 10 countries combined. Apparently you live under the deluded belief that every action under taken or influenced by the United State by these proxies is going to be discussed on the front page of the NYT's or somehow make into the Congressional record) LOL what does this even mean? It makes no sense. I would love to slash our defense budget. I would love to stop rough ridin' with countries that act against our interests from Israel to Saudi Arabia. You're the one who says our random "allies" act only according to our interest/demands when it's totally rough ridin' wrong.
We haven't been able to get them off the sidelines in a meaningful way and had beg Turkey to let us use Incirlik.(Who is them? And thanks for telling all of us who pay any attention what we knew about Incirlik weeks ago, what has that really got to do with anything? You're just trying to sound smart . . . and doing it poorly I might add, because, as I've said you can't handle any criticism of this administration) Once again me showing how you've left out too many details that show you know nothing about the region and how all of those details add up to destroy your talking points. But that is nothing new to you.
So eff your neo-colonialist conspiracy theorist mindset. (so one minute I don't discuss colonialism and the next it's neo-colonialism Bullshit. So tell me for example who was running the entirety of the operation in Libya the end? U.S. drones overhead, JSOC boots on the ground. Who was the chief inciter of Arab Spring? Who selling more arms then anyone in the world to ME countries, by ratios factored 10:1, 15:1 or much higher? Just because old men smoking cigars aren't gathered in a room dividing up an old dusty map of the Middle East doesn't mean that a modern form of colonialism doesn't exist. Just more pseudo-intellectual nonsense from you). Libya Libya Libya, if you say it enough you can eff Hillary. The fact that you keep saying the chief inciter of the Arab Spring is the US or any western force shows how rough ridin' stupid you are. It shows that you can't think of brown people as independent actors (see how you do this for their governments too?). Nice deflection to a personal attack again because you're dumbass is exposed and you have no answer. But please tell me more how the Arab Spring was started by the west as a form of Neo colonialism.
You're an ass who would rather make political hay while the French blood is still being spilt because, like many Republicans now, the safety of the US and our allies, the merit of our values are second, and the truth of what America is doing in the world are all secondary to attacking Obama. (First off there's an entirely other thread for Paris you dumbass, remember? It's absolutely hypocritical for any Prog-Lib to talk about making political hay because literally anything that happens that's centered around Prog-Lib causes and Prog-Libs will be politicizing it within minutes. The destabilization of Syria and terrorists infiltrating Europe and probably the U.S. as refugees is a direct result of U.S. and Western policy. Obama's leadership on this issue is just laughable, his little microphone time from the G20 yesterday was a passionless, stammering barrage of nothingness. He knows he and his administration are largely responsible for this mess getting out of hand. Since Obama has taken over the ME and the periphery and now Europe are ablaze in war (and probably soon here), far beyond just Afghanistan and Iraq and few brush fire situations. It's also not unthinkable to legitimately ask if it's been done on purpose) Yep the prog libs (nice continued use of the manufactured talking point you subscribe to) totally politicized everything first...except for you proving your point wrong by your own actions. The "prog libs" were too busy crying their bleeding hearts to self serving pity while you were running your mouth talking about Obama. So nice job falling over yourself here. But to the rest of your blither, yes the west has mumped up. But Daesh didn't explode until regional powers supplied them with money and arms. Daesh didn't explode until Maliki crap all over the Sunnis for years (nice job neo-cons installing that rough rider). Obama isn't putting our boots back on the ground so he isn't leading. Or he doesn't want our young men and women killed while our "allies" are directly supporting Daesh. Or he doesn't want our people on the ground while regional powers are refusing to step up and lead and are instead waiting for America to put our asses on the line again. But those are facts that don't support YOUR agenda so you IGNORE THEM. But it's great you think this has been done on purpose. I'm really glad you finally went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) here and said something like that. But to educate you further, The ME is a problem by its own making along with the entire western bloc rough ridin' around entrenching every problem further. Is the region that much worse when Reagan was in office and we were supporting Saddam and there was a decade long war killing hundreds of thousands with the regime, under US support, using weapons of mass destruction? Or is it worse now or when we had 241 service members killed sleeping in their barracks? Get some rough ridin' perspective, quit with this bullshit hyperbole, and quit thinking the ME was an oasis before Obama. Or better yet, come up with a better conspiracy theory
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Which one of you neo cons went to the Packers game?
https://streamable.com/vs3f?t=31.1
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I've got 15000 posts on this board, I'm not going back through to show how long I've been talking about this stuff.
You're nuts if you think these "independent actors" gain any significant traction without a hidden hand, most would be crushed within a matter of days without outside assistance.
I keep bringing up Libya because apparently in your world it didn't happen. It is a direct correlation to Syria and there's absolutely no doubt that the US was using Libya to both recruit fighters and ship arms into Syria. It is proof that the US is both directly and indirectly responsible for the ongoing war in Syria and thus allowing ISIS to strengthen. Not to mention the fact that US burned Libya to the ground and then turned around and went home, turning the area into a Islamic terrorist safe haven. How positively effed up is that in a post 9-11 world? It's so bad that now other local actors are having to take action, like Egypt (but guess who still wants the Muslim Brotherhood controlling Egypt but then decided to sell those arms to Egypt anyway?).
Where do we know the attackers came from or at least why they did what they did? That's right, Syria.
Was there any real movement to overthrow Assad 8 years ago? No, there wasn't.
The rest of your drivel is utterly irrelevant to Paris. Most of it is either outright apologism or just rehashing what's been known for years.
If you can't handle the criticism of the most whack a doodle foreign policy administration in post WWII US history don't participate in the thread.
It's clear by how pissed off you get and how you constantly post irrelevant bullshit that you know deep in your silly little head where culpability lies.
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You guys should really use the quote function the bbs already has so that others might at least consider reading the crap you're both spewing. I mean I guess if the goal is to make it unreadable, you're doing pretty well
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
The last half of the new Common Sense podcast deals with that issue. Worth a listen.
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this is such a sad time for the world. so many people posting ignorant hateful things everywhere. it really bums me out :frown:
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
The last half of the new Common Sense podcast deals with that issue. Worth a listen.
Yeah I heard it. Didn't really have anything tangible on what we should do moving forward, other than list some things we should not do (overbearing [and unconsitutional] security at home -- whiping out MENA entirely, etc.). I think he was speaking vaguely because of how fresh it was.
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Cooperate with Russia and Turkey and squish the green gooshit out of these cockroaches, and then have protectorate zones like after WW 2.
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
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this is such a sad time for the world. so many people posting ignorant hateful things everywhere. it really bums me out :frown:
Saw someone seriously posting comments on my friend's fb post, "kill all muslims" and then going on in serious defense of that position for a long time. Sickening. :cry:
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Ok, I was looking up some details for you on Article 5, and it turns out that this is exactly what is being advocated by members of both parties.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/15/republican-lawmakers-urge-france-to-use-nato-powers-to-help-in-fight-against/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/15/republican-lawmakers-urge-france-to-use-nato-powers-to-help-in-fight-against/)
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/14/natos-turn-to-attack-paris-terrorist-isis/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/14/natos-turn-to-attack-paris-terrorist-isis/)
It's past time to clean out these cockroaches. We should have pushed for this over a year ago, but the recent attacks in France make it much easier.
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I tend to agree with the Article 5 stuff. Gotta do something. How should we handle The Bear in Syria?
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You guys should really use the quote function the bbs already has so that others might at least consider reading the crap you're both spewing. I mean I guess if the goal is to make it unreadable, you're doing pretty well
its better than it was with that bright red font, so id say we are making progress
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
Sounds correct, but you never know with the liberal media and whatnot
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What a totally eff'd up Administration. We unleash the CIA, JSOC, Drones, F-15E's and other things to overthrow a regime that for all intent and purposes had disavowed support of terrorism, had long since disavowed WMD's, was actually fighting against AQ in the region on the ground and who posed no threat whatsoever to the United States or its allies. Leaving behind a flaming wreck of a country that's now splintered between rival bad people and is a new expansion area for ISIS.
But we're going to slow walk taking out ISIS when the U.S. is very responsible for the destabilization of the sitting government in the ISIS stronghold.
Bravo!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
I agree. But regardless of whether Islam has been weaponized by extremists or inherently lends itself to extremism, ignoring some of the core tenans of Islam as a significant (maybe the most significant) motive in the anti-western ideology that permeates through the Middle East is ignorant.
I used to think it was mostly geopolitical motives with a touch of Islam ideology mixed in. Now I'm not so sure they're not waging a bonafide holy war.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
For all intents and purposes, Syria is no longer a sovereign nation. A majority of its territory is now controlled by ISIS. Bashar is killing his own people just to retain control of Damascus. I really don't give two effs whether he remains "president" after the sand settles, but Syria's "sovreignty" is hardly a hurdle to going in and taking care of business. Let him bitch to the UN if he wants - the UN does not have a veto over NATO action.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
For all intents and purposes, Syria is no longer a sovereign nation. A majority of its territory is now controlled by ISIS. Bashar is killing his own people just to retain control of Damascus. I really don't give two effs whether he remains "president" after the sand settles, but Syria's "sovreignty" is hardly a hurdle to going in and taking care of business. Let him bitch to the UN if he wants - the UN does not have a veto over NATO action.
I was speaking from a logistical and strategy perspective. Russia and Assad make things a little different than it would be if we were fighting a clearly defined state.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
I agree. But regardless of whether Islam has been weaponized by extremists or inherently lends itself to extremism, ignoring some of the core tenans of Islam as a significant (maybe the most significant) motive in the anti-western ideology that permeates through the Middle East is ignorant.
I used to think it was mostly geopolitical motives with a touch of Islam ideology mixed in. Now I'm not so sure they're not waging a bonafide holy war.
Islam inherently lends itself to extremism. But it isn't really relevant to our perogative to eradicate ISIS.
For those not up to speed, ISIL/ISIS is that "JV team" Obama has been dithering over for years as they have expanded their reach, committed terrorism, and slaughtered thousands of innocents.
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
And then what? Our record of nation-state building isn't too great.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
I agree. But regardless of whether Islam has been weaponized by extremists or inherently lends itself to extremism, ignoring some of the core tenans of Islam as a significant (maybe the most significant) motive in the anti-western ideology that permeates through the Middle East is ignorant.
I used to think it was mostly geopolitical motives with a touch of Islam ideology mixed in. Now I'm not so sure they're not waging a bonafide holy war.
Islam inherently lends itself to extremism. But it isn't really relevant to our perogative to eradicate ISIS.
For those not up to speed, ISIL/ISIS is that "JV team" Obama has been dithering over for years as they have expanded their reach, committed terrorism, and slaughtered thousands of innocents.
Hey KSUdub is this the same ISIS that was on a highway in a nice tight convoy headed to Mosul that we totally could have bombed to smithereens but Obama decided not to?
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
And then what? Our record of nation-state building isn't too great.
What would you propose?
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I heard a story that everyone's favorite internet hacker collective, Anonymous, is going to go head-to-head with ISIS on the web. That will be interesting to me, because this is a new age of warfare, and crippling their ways to communicate and recruit will be important.
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
And then what? Our record of nation-state building isn't too great.
What would you propose?
I honestly don't know. To me it seems like trying to force a western "liberal" democracy on them hasn't worked out too well yet. While I think the majority probably want that, you have a very determined minority that is willing to kill at will to prevent that. So are we willing to sacrifice our people and our money to try and change a place that doesn't want to be changed? Does ISIS need to be destroyed? Absolutely. But I'd like for us to have a better end game strategy than "we will be greeted as liberators".
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
And then what? Our record of nation-state building isn't too great.
What would you propose?
I honestly don't know. To me it seems like trying to force a western "liberal" democracy on them hasn't worked out too well yet. While I think the majority probably want that, you have a very determined minority that is willing to kill at will to prevent that. So are we willing to sacrifice our people and our money to try and change a place that doesn't want to be changed? Does ISIS need to be destroyed? Absolutely. But I'd like for us to have a better end game strategy than "we will be greeted as liberators".
Have you ever left your home to drive somewhere, and you didn't know exactly how to get there, but you knew you'd figure it out along the way?
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What would you propose?
I honestly don't know.
Me neither.
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
And then what? Our record of nation-state building isn't too great.
What would you propose?
I honestly don't know. To me it seems like trying to force a western "liberal" democracy on them hasn't worked out too well yet. While I think the majority probably want that, you have a very determined minority that is willing to kill at will to prevent that. So are we willing to sacrifice our people and our money to try and change a place that doesn't want to be changed? Does ISIS need to be destroyed? Absolutely. But I'd like for us to have a better end game strategy than "we will be greeted as liberators".
Have you ever left your home to drive somewhere, and you didn't know exactly how to get there, but you knew you'd figure it out along the way?
Well yea but it seems like that has been our policy in the Middle East for 50 years and we still haven't got there.
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Russia having such close ties to Assad makes this all even more complicated. I mean I guess the easiest thing to do is go in there, take out ISIS and leave Syria to Assad. It's an awful plan but its better than staying there and trying to build a nation.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
I agree. But regardless of whether Islam has been weaponized by extremists or inherently lends itself to extremism, ignoring some of the core tenans of Islam as a significant (maybe the most significant) motive in the anti-western ideology that permeates through the Middle East is ignorant.
I used to think it was mostly geopolitical motives with a touch of Islam ideology mixed in. Now I'm not so sure they're not waging a bonafide holy war.
Islam inherently lends itself to extremism. But it isn't really relevant to our perogative to eradicate ISIS.
For those not up to speed, ISIL/ISIS is that "JV team" Obama has been dithering over for years as they have expanded their reach, committed terrorism, and slaughtered thousands of innocents.
Maybe he really doesn't want to do anything about them?
I mean he said just 12 hours before the terrorist attack in Paris that they've been contained. They guy is either a total clown or he knows exactly what's happening and is purposely choosing to do nothing or the bare minimum.
Honestly, did anyone believe for a second that continually tossing fuel on the Syrian "civil war" (that just happens to have a lot of non Syrians fighting in it) wouldn't have massive refugee ramifications?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
I agree. But regardless of whether Islam has been weaponized by extremists or inherently lends itself to extremism, ignoring some of the core tenans of Islam as a significant (maybe the most significant) motive in the anti-western ideology that permeates through the Middle East is ignorant.
I used to think it was mostly geopolitical motives with a touch of Islam ideology mixed in. Now I'm not so sure they're not waging a bonafide holy war.
Islam inherently lends itself to extremism. But it isn't really relevant to our perogative to eradicate ISIS.
For those not up to speed, ISIL/ISIS is that "JV team" Obama has been dithering over for years as they have expanded their reach, committed terrorism, and slaughtered thousands of innocents.
Maybe he really doesn't want to do anything about them?
I mean he said just 12 hours before the terrorist attack in Paris that they've been contained. They guy is either a total clown or he knows exactly what's happening and is purposely choosing to do nothing or the bare minimum.
Honestly, did anyone believe for a second that continually tossing fuel on the Syrian "civil war" (that just happens to have a lot of non Syrians fighting in it) wouldn't have massive refugee ramifications?
You'll just call me an Obama hack. And I am to a certain extent. But maybe when he was saying "contained" he was meaning we have contained ISIS in the amount of land they can "govern". I mean he should have used better language I agree. But I think that is what he meant by contained.
And I believe if we had done nothing in Syria people would be calling Obama soft for allowing Putin's boy to run roughshod over civilians.
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/isil-whos-calling-the-shots-213360
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Conspiracy time with dax :excited:
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I heard a story that everyone's favorite internet hacker collective, Anonymous, is going to go head-to-head with ISIS on the web. That will be interesting to me, because this is a new age of warfare, and crippling their ways to communicate and recruit will be important.
it is going to be very enjoyable to watch
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Whatever the end game is, it's going to be messy. There will no democracy in Syria because a free and democratic society is completely foreign to Arabs and Islam. But it doesn't really matter. ISIS must be obliterated. NATO can keep temporary security forces in place, but ultimately it will be up to the "Syrians" (or whatever that region becomes). If we have to go back in a few years and kill some more people, fine. The current situation is untenable. Responding with overwhelming military force is the only remaining solution at this point.
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http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/14/cong-source-syrian-refugees-coming-to-u-s-for-last-two-fiscal-years/#ixzz3rgK8QQhn (http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/14/cong-source-syrian-refugees-coming-to-u-s-for-last-two-fiscal-years/#ixzz3rgK8QQhn)
The Obama administration is looking to increase the number of Syrian refugees who may be admitted into the U.S. as well as speed up the process. The administration plans to do this, Reuters reports, by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon. As of now, the administration promised to accept as many as 100,000 refugees each year by the end of 2017. The present annual cap is at 70,000.
“While all refugees are vetted against all known intelligence community holdings, the Committee is concerned that the lack of current, reliable intelligence on the ground in Syria makes it very difficult to determine with any certainty who is entering the United States. We could very well be accepting individuals connected to ISIS, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda or any one of the terror groups currently operating in Syria,” a committee aide told the Daily Caller in an e-mail.
Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCaul , an outspoken critic of the administration’s move to admit Syrian refugees into the United States held a committee hearing in June investigating Syrian refugee admissions.
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I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now. I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.
I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
And then what? Our record of nation-state building isn't too great.
What would you propose?
I honestly don't know. To me it seems like trying to force a western "liberal" democracy on them hasn't worked out too well yet. While I think the majority probably want that, you have a very determined minority that is willing to kill at will to prevent that. So are we willing to sacrifice our people and our money to try and change a place that doesn't want to be changed? Does ISIS need to be destroyed? Absolutely. But I'd like for us to have a better end game strategy than "we will be greeted as liberators".
Have you ever left your home to drive somewhere, and you didn't know exactly how to get there, but you knew you'd figure it out along the way?
Well yea but it seems like that has been our policy in the Middle East for 50 years and we still haven't got there.
Well you said it yourself they need to be destroyed. I agree. Let's do that first and plan the next steps along the way. Waiting to have a fully concocted plan to do step 1 is not an option, especially considering how dynamic and complex everything is over there, right now.
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Army Reserve Center broken into and assault weapons stolen in Worcester, MA (multiple Boston area news outlets). This is an area of significant refugee influx over the last two years.
Not a conspiracy, just the news and the facts. TIFWIW
http://www.wcvb.com/news/army-reserve-armory-broken-into-saturday-night/36464176
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I've got 15000 posts on this board, I'm not going back through to show how long I've been talking about this stuff.
You're nuts if you think these "independent actors" gain any significant traction without a hidden hand, most would be crushed within a matter of days without outside assistance.
I keep bringing up Libya because apparently in your world it didn't happen. It is a direct correlation to Syria and there's absolutely no doubt that the US was using Libya to both recruit fighters and ship arms into Syria. It is proof that the US is both directly and indirectly responsible for the ongoing war in Syria and thus allowing ISIS to strengthen. Not to mention the fact that US burned Libya to the ground and then turned around and went home, turning the area into a Islamic terrorist safe haven. How positively effed up is that in a post 9-11 world? It's so bad that now other local actors are having to take action, like Egypt (but guess who still wants the Muslim Brotherhood controlling Egypt but then decided to sell those arms to Egypt anyway?).
Where do we know the attackers came from or at least why they did what they did? That's right, Syria.
Was there any real movement to overthrow Assad 8 years ago? No, there wasn't.
The rest of your drivel is utterly irrelevant to Paris. Most of it is either outright apologism or just rehashing what's been known for years.
If you can't handle the criticism of the most whack a doodle foreign policy administration in post WWII US history don't participate in the thread.
It's clear by how pissed off you get and how you constantly post irrelevant bullshit that you know deep in your silly little head where culpability lies.
1) You've got that many posts and you can't think of one in this thread or any recent thread because they don't exist.
2) Yes I do believe they are acting without a hidden hand, because all the legitimate analysis, all the bitching we are doing about their actions, and all the westerners they are causing to get killed say otherwise.
3) Libya has no direct correlation to Syria because they are two different countries, two different people(s), two different histories, two different political systems. The fact that you see all Muslim majority nations as a monolithic structure is the problem. It's the exact same mindset that mumped us in Iraq when we were supposed to be welcomed as liberators. History is on my side, ignorance thy name is still Dax. So I can't really respond to your points about who is "responsible" when you're too lazy to at least read the wiki on the Arab Spring because anyone who believes the US caused it is too ignorant to deal with.
4) To this point about where the brown people came from....Yeah it's Europe you idiot. There has been one who might be connected to a passport from Syria. The rest are Europeans. They didn't come from Syria, they came from France and Belgium. These are called facts, they come from real news, not talking point spewing news networks.
5) Obviously there wasn't a large movement to overthrow Assad, then a US ally. That is because the Arab Spring changed that. Square your rhetoric with facts here.
6) Apologism or facts.....it's sad you can't see the difference.
7) Irrelevant to you, directly at the heart of the matter of who is acting in the region, supporting Daesh, and continuing this war. I'm sorry I can't live in your world where brown muslims are to blame for everything and they are all part of a complex US plan to start wars and then attack us, or however your convoluted conspiracy theory works.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries. Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).
That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.
The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.
I agree. But regardless of whether Islam has been weaponized by extremists or inherently lends itself to extremism, ignoring some of the core tenans of Islam as a significant (maybe the most significant) motive in the anti-western ideology that permeates through the Middle East is ignorant.
I used to think it was mostly geopolitical motives with a touch of Islam ideology mixed in. Now I'm not so sure they're not waging a bonafide holy war.
I think it's on point that we are fighting a religious war with Daesh simply because of their ideology. You could claim that AQ was a political war more than a religious one because Islam was a backing force to their ideology whereas Daesh is literally fighting to make a world ready for the return of the prophet. Their mission is built around a religious goal to bring about effectively the end of the world. It's a death cult and one that is very different from the other terrorist bodies the West has faced before.
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Russia having such close ties to Assad makes this all even more complicated. I mean I guess the easiest thing to do is go in there, take out ISIS and leave Syria to Assad. It's an awful plan but its better than staying there and trying to build a nation.
I'm interested to see what Putin and Obama have "agreed" to regarding a political process in Syria. Gotta love G8 countries being "the decider" for other countries.
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Whatever the end game is, it's going to be messy. There will no democracy in Syria because a free and democratic society is completely foreign to Arabs and Islam. But it doesn't really matter. ISIS must be obliterated. NATO can keep temporary security forces in place, but ultimately it will be up to the "Syrians" (or whatever that region becomes). If we have to go back in a few years and kill some more people, fine. The current situation is untenable. Responding with overwhelming military force is the only remaining solution at this point.
WHAT! You know that the US has overthrown legitimately elected governments in the ME right? Maybe this kind of Islamofascism is a reaction to the West rough ridin' around in their affairs for the past 50ish years...
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I'm not going to take every point, because this is getting absurd. It's absolutely immaterial (and yet still another captain obvious point) that Libya and Syria are two different countries. Foreign media has accounts of Yugoslavian made weapons sold to Libya in the 90's turning up on battlefields in Syria. Foreign and U.S. media was all over the fact that the Benghazi area was an active AQ region and that Western Intelligence entities may have been and likely were recruiting in the area to send those fighters into Syria. There was a massive influx of foreign fighters (brought in by whom? supported by whom? armed by whom? provided air cover by whom?) during the overthrow of Libyan government. Foreign media was all over those same combatants ultimately turning back up in Syria. It takes logistical capabilities that only a few countries can provide to move those numbers of fighters and keep them fed, and armed/equipped.
Where have I said that Brown Muslims are to blame for everything, I have clearly said repeatedly who is ultimately to blame. You have no standing on this issue when you just make up crap.
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Russia having such close ties to Assad makes this all even more complicated. I mean I guess the easiest thing to do is go in there, take out ISIS and leave Syria to Assad. It's an awful plan but its better than staying there and trying to build a nation.
I'm interested to see what Putin and Obama have "agreed" to regarding a political process in Syria. Gotta love G8 countries being "the decider" for other countries.
I too find it unsavory, but I can't think of another tenable option. What process would you prefer?
Whatever the end game is, it's going to be messy. There will no democracy in Syria because a free and democratic society is completely foreign to Arabs and Islam. But it doesn't really matter. ISIS must be obliterated. NATO can keep temporary security forces in place, but ultimately it will be up to the "Syrians" (or whatever that region becomes). If we have to go back in a few years and kill some more people, fine. The current situation is untenable. Responding with overwhelming military force is the only remaining solution at this point.
WHAT! You know that the US has overthrown legitimately elected governments in the ME right? Maybe this kind of Islamofascism is a reaction to the West rough ridin' around in their affairs for the past 50ish years...
Listen, I agree with what you're saying, but you can't put pandora back in the box. We're here right now and I don't think pointing the finger backwards at the West's stupid 20th/21st century policy in the Middle East helps to solve the ISIS problem.
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I'm not going to take every point, because this is getting absurd. It's absolutely immaterial (and yet still another captain obvious point) that Libya and Syria are two different countries. Foreign media has accounts of Yugoslavian made weapons sold to Libya in the 90's turning up on battlefields in Syria. Foreign and U.S. media was all over the fact that the Benghazi area was an active AQ region and that Western Intelligence entities may have been and likely were recruiting in the area to send those fighters into Syria. There was a massive influx of foreign fighters (brought in by whom? supported by whom? armed by whom? provided air cover by whom?) during the overthrow of Libyan government. Foreign media was all over those same combatants ultimately turning back up in Syria. It takes logistical capabilities that only a few countries can provide to move those numbers of fighters and keep them fed, and armed/equipped.
Where have I said that Brown Muslims are to blame for everything, I have clearly said repeatedly who is ultimately to blame. You have no standing on this issue when you just make up crap.
Dax you're a proven liar about your posting history here and have gone full idiot with your conspiracy theory crap. Go back to inforwars and get a new cache of material. I'm done "thrashing" you. It's just sad at this point.
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Whatever the end game is, it's going to be messy. There will no democracy in Syria because a free and democratic society is completely foreign to Arabs and Islam. But it doesn't really matter. ISIS must be obliterated. NATO can keep temporary security forces in place, but ultimately it will be up to the "Syrians" (or whatever that region becomes). If we have to go back in a few years and kill some more people, fine. The current situation is untenable. Responding with overwhelming military force is the only remaining solution at this point.
WHAT! You know that the US has overthrown legitimately elected governments in the ME right? Maybe this kind of Islamofascism is a reaction to the West rough ridin' around in their affairs for the past 50ish years...
Ah yes, the fiction of "legitimately elected..." :lol: Yes, Saddam was "legitimately elected." So was Hitler. :lol: You're so pathetic. You're the the sort of stupid that would believe a melting glacier in Greenland will raise sea level by 18 inches...
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Whatever the end game is, it's going to be messy. There will no democracy in Syria because a free and democratic society is completely foreign to Arabs and Islam. But it doesn't really matter. ISIS must be obliterated. NATO can keep temporary security forces in place, but ultimately it will be up to the "Syrians" (or whatever that region becomes). If we have to go back in a few years and kill some more people, fine. The current situation is untenable. Responding with overwhelming military force is the only remaining solution at this point.
WHAT! You know that the US has overthrown legitimately elected governments in the ME right? Maybe this kind of Islamofascism is a reaction to the West rough ridin' around in their affairs for the past 50ish years...
Listen, I agree with what you're saying, but you can't put pandora back in the box. We're here right now and I don't think pointing the finger backwards at the West's stupid 20th/21st century policy in the Middle East helps to solve the ISIS problem.
Maybe, but learning from stupid policies in the Middle East seems like a very intelligent thing to do. What has worked in the past, and why did most attempts to stabilize the reason fail?
(and i think EDN may be referring to the CIA overthrowing the Iranian government when Ike was in office)
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Russia having such close ties to Assad makes this all even more complicated. I mean I guess the easiest thing to do is go in there, take out ISIS and leave Syria to Assad. It's an awful plan but its better than staying there and trying to build a nation.
I'm interested to see what Putin and Obama have "agreed" to regarding a political process in Syria. Gotta love G8 countries being "the decider" for other countries.
I too find it unsavory, but I can't think of another tenable option. What process would you prefer?
Whatever the end game is, it's going to be messy. There will no democracy in Syria because a free and democratic society is completely foreign to Arabs and Islam. But it doesn't really matter. ISIS must be obliterated. NATO can keep temporary security forces in place, but ultimately it will be up to the "Syrians" (or whatever that region becomes). If we have to go back in a few years and kill some more people, fine. The current situation is untenable. Responding with overwhelming military force is the only remaining solution at this point.
WHAT! You know that the US has overthrown legitimately elected governments in the ME right? Maybe this kind of Islamofascism is a reaction to the West rough ridin' around in their affairs for the past 50ish years...
Listen, I agree with what you're saying, but you can't put pandora back in the box. We're here right now and I don't think pointing the finger backwards at the West's stupid 20th/21st century policy in the Middle East helps to solve the ISIS problem.
I think we need to ensure the regime and the legitimate opposition are negotiating for a political solutions. Kerry said they hope to do this by the end of the year. That is the only path. Get these groups talking. Any group that doesn't show up gets on the target list. Also push Assad and Iraq to allow unrestricted warfare, including international boots on the ground, to target these groups. Anyone who interferes is subject to military retaliation.
To the second point, I'm not pointing a finger at policy missteps. I'm pointing the finger at people who think Browns/Muslims can't embrace democracy. The Arab Spring, much to Dax and other idiots shagrin, shows that democracy is possible in the region and needs to be nurtured. The US needs to make sure we're backing legitimate reformers (not Maliki in Iraq again) and people will follow. Security is paramount to get people trusting democracy again. Essentially we need to learn from those prior policy mistakes going forward, something we've been very bad at.
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I'm not going to take every point, because this is getting absurd. It's absolutely immaterial (and yet still another captain obvious point) that Libya and Syria are two different countries. Foreign media has accounts of Yugoslavian made weapons sold to Libya in the 90's turning up on battlefields in Syria. Foreign and U.S. media was all over the fact that the Benghazi area was an active AQ region and that Western Intelligence entities may have been and likely were recruiting in the area to send those fighters into Syria. There was a massive influx of foreign fighters (brought in by whom? supported by whom? armed by whom? provided air cover by whom?) during the overthrow of Libyan government. Foreign media was all over those same combatants ultimately turning back up in Syria. It takes logistical capabilities that only a few countries can provide to move those numbers of fighters and keep them fed, and armed/equipped.
Where have I said that Brown Muslims are to blame for everything, I have clearly said repeatedly who is ultimately to blame. You have no standing on this issue when you just make up crap.
Dax you're a proven liar about your posting history here and have gone full idiot with your conspiracy theory crap. Go back to inforwars and get a new cache of material. I'm done "thrashing" you. It's just sad at this point.
Just a complete tap out.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/28/world/meast/syria-libya-fighters/
This guy has/had CIA written all over him
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-rebel-warrior-mahdi-al-harati-4018149
http://www.thearabdigest.com/2012/08/the-libyan-guevara-cia-and-irish-gypsies.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html
Who broke up the former Yugoslavia, who has the logistical capability to move this kind of weaponary?
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/weapons-from-the-former-yugoslavia-spread-through-syrias-war/
I can go on all day.
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ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs
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I'm not going to take every point, because this is getting absurd. It's absolutely immaterial (and yet still another captain obvious point) that Libya and Syria are two different countries. Foreign media has accounts of Yugoslavian made weapons sold to Libya in the 90's turning up on battlefields in Syria. Foreign and U.S. media was all over the fact that the Benghazi area was an active AQ region and that Western Intelligence entities may have been and likely were recruiting in the area to send those fighters into Syria. There was a massive influx of foreign fighters (brought in by whom? supported by whom? armed by whom? provided air cover by whom?) during the overthrow of Libyan government. Foreign media was all over those same combatants ultimately turning back up in Syria. It takes logistical capabilities that only a few countries can provide to move those numbers of fighters and keep them fed, and armed/equipped.
Where have I said that Brown Muslims are to blame for everything, I have clearly said repeatedly who is ultimately to blame. You have no standing on this issue when you just make up crap.
Dax you're a proven liar about your posting history here and have gone full idiot with your conspiracy theory crap. Go back to inforwars and get a new cache of material. I'm done "thrashing" you. It's just sad at this point.
Just a complete tap out.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/28/world/meast/syria-libya-fighters/
This guy has/had CIA written all over him
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-rebel-warrior-mahdi-al-harati-4018149
http://www.thearabdigest.com/2012/08/the-libyan-guevara-cia-and-irish-gypsies.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html
Who broke up the former Yugoslavia, who has the logistical capability to move this kind of weaponary?
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/weapons-from-the-former-yugoslavia-spread-through-syrias-war/
I can go on all day.
:lol: "we" broke up Yugoslavia now? Holy crap!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: God this is great entertainment. Please, do go on all day!
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ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs
shhhhhhh
they're brown and moslum, good enough....
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Who broke up Yugoslavia . . . NATO, haven't I constantly said the U.S. and Western Governments?
Last week The Telegraph reported that an FSA commander called them "Libyans" when he explained that the FSA doesn't "want these extremist people here."
And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey—a deal brokered by Stevens' primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.
Furthermore there was a CIA post in Benghazi, located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as "a base for, among other things, collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles" ... and that its security features "were more advanced than those at [the] rented villa where Stevens died."
And we know that the CIA has been funneling weapons to the rebels in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/reading-the-refuse-counting-col-qaddafis-heat-seeking-missiles-and-tracking-them-back-to-their-sources/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8919057/Leading-Libyan-Islamist-met-Free-Syrian-Army-opposition-group.html
But there's no link between Syria and Libya, right EDN?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all
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If I were president, everyone would be rich, no one would eff with America (Because everyone would be our allies), We'd have 3 day weekends, and every day would be a party! #VoteFanningFor2016
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ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs
What are you talking about? Arabs are by far the biggest demographic in Syria.
In 2011, the Syrian population was estimated at roughly 23 million permanent inhabitants, including people with refugee status from Palestine and Iraq and are an overall indigenous Levantine people. While most modern-day Syrians are commonly described as Arabs by virtue of their modern-day language and bonds to Arab culture and history, they are, in fact, largely a blend of the various Semitic-speaking groups indigenous to the region. In 2011, Syria's population was 70-74% Sunni Muslim (59-60% Arabs, 9-11% Kurds and 2-3% Turkmen), other Muslims (including Alawites 10%, Shia and Ismaili) made up 16% of the population, Druse 2-3% various Christian denominations made up 10-12% and finally, there were a few Jewish communities in Aleppo and Damascus.
ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs
shhhhhhh
they're brown and moslum, good enough....
And once again, Edna gloms onto stupidity with more stupidity.
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Who broke up Yugoslavia . . . NATO, haven't I constantly said the U.S. and Western Governments?
Last week The Telegraph reported that an FSA commander called them "Libyans" when he explained that the FSA doesn't "want these extremist people here."
And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey—a deal brokered by Stevens' primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.
Furthermore there was a CIA post in Benghazi, located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as "a base for, among other things, collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles" ... and that its security features "were more advanced than those at [the] rented villa where Stevens died."
And we know that the CIA has been funneling weapons to the rebels in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/reading-the-refuse-counting-col-qaddafis-heat-seeking-missiles-and-tracking-them-back-to-their-sources/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8919057/Leading-Libyan-Islamist-met-Free-Syrian-Army-opposition-group.html
But there's no link between Syria and Libya, right EDN?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all
LOL :lol: THRASHING
Tell me more about the US taking Yougo apart. :lol: :lol:
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So the U.S. and NATO didn't launch nearly 80 days of bombing in the former Yugoslavia?
Now it's just pure deflection
Tell me again how Libya didn't have anything to do with Syria. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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So the U.S. and NATO didn't launch nearly 80 days of bombing in the former Yugoslavia?
Now it's just pure deflection
Tell me again how Libya didn't have anything to do with Syria. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
LOL I think it's great how your own post shows the evidence of how you're wrong LOL. Former Yugolsavia.... :Wha:
And your standard is now moving from connection/anything to do with between Syria and Libya. House of rough ridin' cards. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I really enjoyed the last few pages of this thread minus the edn/dax stuff. Maybe you guys should take a hike
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http://www.icty.org/en/about/what-former-yugoslavia
Somebody better alert the UN, because EDN says there's no Former Yugoslavia. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Just more deflection.
Every article I posted had a direct correlation to either Libyan forces engaged in the overthrow of the old Libyan Regime (in direct coordination with the United States and NATO) the shipment of Libyan arms to Syria, or the shipment of Yugoslavian made arms into Syria and/or the direct involvement of the CIA in partial-ing out arms into Syria.
Sorry OKC, sometimes complete whack-a-doodles need to be reigned in.
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http://www.icty.org/en/about/what-former-yugoslavia
Somebody better alert the UN, because EDN says there's no Former Yugoslavia. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Just more deflection.
Every article I posted had a direct correlation to either Libyan forces engaged in the overthrow of the old Libyan Regime (in direct coordination with the United States and NATO) the shipment of Libyan arms to Syria, or the shipment of Yugoslavian made arms into Syria and/or the direct involvement of the CIA in partial-ing out arms into Syria.
Sorry OKC, sometimes complete whack-a-doodles need to be reigned in.
Please quote me where is said there is no former Yugo? You rough ridin' idiot you said "we" took them apart and then posted about the US going in after they fell apart with their bombing campaign. Your posts don't even have internal logic at this point you fool. For eff sake dude. It's not deflection poking you to watch you flail around. It's a great time for me. But I'll let you get back to thinking you're "thrashing me" or reigning me in. I mean eff....this is just comical.
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So "we" isn't plural? But who lead the coalition (an American) who flew the vast majority of the missions (the United States) who dropped by far and away the lions share of munitions (the United States).
It's just more semantic deflection by you . . . as usual. But remember, you said Libya and Syria were by and large mutually exclusive, yet news source after news source says otherwise by the truckload. One source after another factually verifies that the two operations are inextricably linked with clear and undeniable signs of the US and the West being all over it.
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So "we" isn't plural? But who lead the coalition (an American) who flew the vast majority of the missions (the United States) who dropped by far and away the lions share of munitions (the United States).
It's just more semantic deflection by you . . . as usual. But remember, you said Libya and Syria were by and large mutually exclusive, yet news source after news source says otherwise by the truckload. One source after another factually verifies that the two operations are inextricably linked with clear and undeniable signs of the US and the West being all over it.
what are you talking about? you said "we" took apart Yugo, that is fundamentally rough ridin' false. Yes the US/NATO went in after ethnic genocide started. These are basic facts you should know before you run your mouth.
Once again I never said Syria and Libya were mutually exclusive. I said your conspiracy theory bullshit is wrong, built on infowars quality facts, and has no place in a discussion of college educated people. you. rough ridin'. idiot.
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Without the U.S./NATO involvement in Yugoslavia does the break-up the country occur? Not in the fashion that it did, and potentially not at all. But that's just more deflection.
So major news publications from all over the world is now "Infowars"? Pure Comedy. Somebody alert the New York Times . . . they've been taken over by Alex Jones!!
The United States has coordinated a massive airlift of arms to Syrian rebels from Croatia with the help of Britain and other European states, despite the continuing European Union arms embargo, it was claimed yesterday.
It claimed 3,000 tons of weapons dating back to the former Yugoslavia have been sent in 75 planeloads from Zagreb airport to the rebels, largely via Jordan since November.
The story confirmed the origins of ex-Yugoslav weapons seen in growing numbers in rebel hands in online videos, as described last month by The Daily Telegraph and other newspapers, but suggests far bigger quantities than previously suspected.
The shipments were allegedly paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States, with assistance on supplying the weapons organised through Turkey and Jordan, Syria's neighbours. But the report added that as well as from Croatia, weapons came "from several other European countries including Britain", without specifying if they were British-supplied or British-procured arms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9918785/US-and-Europe-in-major-airlift-of-arms-to-Syrian-rebels-through-Zagreb.html
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Without the U.S./NATO involvement in Yugoslavia does the break-up the country occur? Not in the fashion that it did, and potentially not at all. But that's just more deflection.
So major news publications from all over the world is now "Infowars"? Pure Comedy. Somebody alert the New York Times . . . they've been taken over by Alex Jones!!
The United States has coordinated a massive airlift of arms to Syrian rebels from Croatia with the help of Britain and other European states, despite the continuing European Union arms embargo, it was claimed yesterday.
It claimed 3,000 tons of weapons dating back to the former Yugoslavia have been sent in 75 planeloads from Zagreb airport to the rebels, largely via Jordan since November.
The story confirmed the origins of ex-Yugoslav weapons seen in growing numbers in rebel hands in online videos, as described last month by The Daily Telegraph and other newspapers, but suggests far bigger quantities than previously suspected.
The shipments were allegedly paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States, with assistance on supplying the weapons organised through Turkey and Jordan, Syria's neighbours. But the report added that as well as from Croatia, weapons came "from several other European countries including Britain", without specifying if they were British-supplied or British-procured arms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9918785/US-and-Europe-in-major-airlift-of-arms-to-Syrian-rebels-through-Zagreb.html
I'm not saying the US didn't run guns into Libya you rough ridin' idiot. But you have to be legitimately daft to think that Sarajevo goes from Olympic city to ethnic rough ridin' genocide because of western influence. That country was doomed from its creation you tool bag. Read a rough ridin' book, jesus rough ridin' christ. Your deflections (i mean you couldn't even post evidence to refute the charge of your lying so you deflected to this) are just so absurd at this point I'm not even laughing at you, I pity you.
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Just more captain obvious points that have nothing to do with a matter at hand outside of the fact that arms shipments originated from Croatia a member of NATO and ended up in the hands of rebels in Syria (not Libya, ya dumbass. The Yugoslavian weapons from Libya to Syria were original sold to the Libyan Military by the Milosevic regime). Again, just more deflection by you.
I have never once said that the ethnic genocide happend because of Western Influence, and have never even implied that. Where in the F_ck did you get that. Albeit the argument could easily be made we helped Jihadists during the war via CIA and arms shipments from Iran to the KLA that the Clinton administration turned a blind eye to . . . but that has nothing to do with this.
This is about Paris and Syria of which Libya opened up a new jumping off point to overthrow Assad.
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Just more captain obvious points that have nothing to do with a matter at hand outside of the fact that arms shipments originated from Croatia a member of NATO and ended up in the hands of rebels in Syria (not Libya, ya dumbass. The Yugoslavian weapons from Libya to Syria were original sold to the Libyan Military by the Milosevic regime). Again, just more deflection by you.
I have never once said that the ethnic genocide happend because of Western Influence, and have never even implied that. Where in the F_ck did you get that. Albeit the argument could easily be made we helped Jihadists during the war via CIA and arms shipments from Iran to the KLA that the Clinton administration turned a blind eye to . . . but that has nothing to do with this.
This is about Paris and Syria of which Libya opened up a new jumping off point to overthrow Assad.
Yugo fell apart because Yugo fell apart. Yugo falling apart = the ethnic genocide that occurred. It wasn't because "Who broke up Yugoslavia . . . NATO". You're a rough ridin' liar, at least change your posts so it isn't so easy for me to pull the evidence of you lying.
But if you want to get back to Syria fine. Do you want to refute you lying about your post history on the topic or just sweep that under the rug. I'll wait for your next "trashing" as you drown in a sea of your own ignorance.
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I really enjoyed the last few pages of this thread minus the edn/dax stuff. Maybe you guys should take a hike
I've scrolled by most of it, but I catch the phrase wack a doodle now and then and it's all worth it
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You're just arguing about semantics. At the end of the day Yugoslavia and the ethnic cleansing and the NATO bombing and having a pee'ing contest of why it broke up has nothing to do with this. But how rough riding stupid do you have to be to even imply the NATO bombing didn't hasten the break-up of Yugoslavia, I mean, really??
My post history:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36146.msg1462369#msg1462369
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33788.msg1262503#msg1262503
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=30424.msg993354#msg993354
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36000.msg1429105#msg1429105
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32510.msg1173856#msg1173856
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=22816.msg659668#msg659668
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=31595.msg1068702#msg1068702
Look at you trying to be funny in that thread, Anthony Bourdain visited Libya and all they did was walk around in the rubble. You're a sad piece of $hit EDN.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28421.msg880201#msg880201
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27941.msg848163#msg848163
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ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs
"Syria is very diverse, ethnically and religiously, but most Syrians are ethnic Arab and follow the Sunni branch of Islam."
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and more:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32020.msg1099954#msg1099954
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32592.msg1376533#msg1376533
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35849.msg1424728#msg1424728
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32831.msg1194773#msg1194773
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27628.msg1107305#msg1107305
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Good number of one post threads in there :frown:
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ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs
"Syria is very diverse, ethnically and religiously, but most Syrians are ethnic Arab and follow the Sunni branch of Islam."
I think libtards tend to automatically assume that the word "Arab" is always used incorrectly. This makes them look quite foolish. This could have been avoided with 5 seconds on Google.
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Good number of one post threads in there :frown:
It's lonely being ahead of the curve sometimes.
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sorry, meant to say "all Syrians". Syria is not part of the Arabian peninsula and i know many Syrians do not consider themselves Arab. But you are correct many Syrians do. my point was you said something along the lines of "democracy would never work in Syria because Arabs do not understand it"
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and more:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32020.msg1099954#msg1099954
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32592.msg1376533#msg1376533
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35849.msg1424728#msg1424728
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32831.msg1194773#msg1194773
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27628.msg1107305#msg1107305
I looked at 2 so far. First one isn't something I dispute about running guns, but you fail to realize that occurred after the civil war was under way and probably after your side blocked military intervention in Syria before Daesh got so large. The second one is more of the same bullshit you spew where you call them "rebels" implying they are covert actors acting only at our behest when they aren't and were actively engaged in rebellion years before we were involved. SO you're posting stuff that agrees with me calling you out, so thanks, I guess. Talk about wackadoodle.
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First of all, by implication you said that I didn't start talking about this until recently. That point has been proven to be completely false.
By all accounts the Syrian Civil War started in March 2011, you can begin finding information about CIA involvement and weapons running in less then a year after that date. You're so full of crap you simply have no idea just how full of crap you are.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/21/down-memory-hole-nyt-erases-cias-efforts-overthrow-syrias-government
The idea of bolstering Syrian rebels was debated from the early days of the civil war, which started in 2011. Mrs. Clinton, along with David H. Petraeus, then the CIA director, and Leon E. Panetta, then the Defense secretary, supported arming opposition forces, but the president worried about deep entanglement in someone else’s war after the bloody experience in Iraq.
In 2014, however, after the Islamic State had swept through parts of Syria and Iraq, Mr. Obama reversed course and initiated a $500 million program to train and arm rebels who had been vetted and were told to fight the Islamic State, not Mr. Assad’s government.
This is outright false. These two paragraphs, while cleverly parsed, give the reader the impression Obama parted with the CIA and Mrs. Clinton on arming opposition forces, only to “reverse course” in 2014. But the president never “reversed course,” because he did exactly what Panetta, Petraeus and Clinton urged him to do: He armed the opposition. Once again, the Pentagon’s Keystone Kop plan is being passed off by journalists who should know better as the beginning and end of American involvement in the Syrian rebellion. Nowhere in this report is the CIA’s plan mentioned at all.
Calling me out, doesn't mean $hit, it only means that I've proven you to be a complete screed writing dumbass again and again.'
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sorry, meant to say "all Syrians". Syria is not part of the Arabian peninsula and i know many Syrians do not consider themselves Arab. But you are correct many Syrians do. my point was you said something along the lines of "democracy would never work in Syria because Arabs do not understand it"
And they don't. And they're the largest demographic in Syria. :dunno:
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The ProgLib article is very good because it succinctly points out the reporting minutia the most media get caught up in . . . there was the U.S. military's involvement with the "freedom fighters" and then CIA's involvement. The CIA's involvement was much larger involving thousands of people and the movement of millions of dollars worth of arms.
The Baker report in the article doesn't include Libya because Libya hadn't been destroyed entirely by this administration at the time the Baker report came out.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct. You can blame EDN for that.
Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct. You can blame EDN for that.
Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.
It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won. How rough ridin' dunning can you get? But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmakers-move-to-curb-1-billion-cia-program-to-train-syrian-rebels/2015/06/12/b0f45a9e-1114-11e5-adec-e82f8395c032_story.html
U.S. officials said the CIA has trained and equipped nearly 10,000 fighters sent into Syria over the past several years — meaning that the agency is spending roughly $100,000 per year for every anti-Assad rebel who has gone through the program.
More lies and conspiracy theories by me I guess. Where did those 10,000 fighters come from EDN? TEN THOUSAND.
Look at you trying to deflect with Yugoslavia, what a complete dumbass.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct. You can blame EDN for that.
Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.
It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won. How rough ridin' dunning can you get? But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.
You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed. Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland. I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences. But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct. You can blame EDN for that.
Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.
It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won. How rough ridin' dunning can you get? But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.
You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed. Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland. I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences. But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.
Pro tip, if you have to claim victory in multiple posts, you haven't achieved it. Bo back to lying about your own record.
Ands its funny youre still stuck on the lies you've built on Yugo. If you think Operation Deliberate Force "quickened" the break up thats fine (and wrong) ~8400 people in Srebrenica would say otherwise and agree their country was proper mumped by then. But once again facts > your lies.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct. You can blame EDN for that.
Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.
It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won. How rough ridin' dunning can you get? But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.
You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed. Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland. I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences. But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.
Pro tip, if you have to claim victory in multiple posts, you haven't achieved it. Bo back to lying about your own record.
Ands its funny youre still stuck on the lies you've built on Yugo. If you think Operation Deliberate Force "quickened" the break up thats fine (and wrong) ~8400 people in Srebrenica would say otherwise and agree their country was proper mumped by then. But once again facts > your lies.
That's a point that's not even in contention. You just keep pointing out the obvious. I've started another thread.
I'll also note that you've said nothing about the overwhelming evidence of CIA involvement in Syria, documented in numerous sources in this thread. The CIA trained OVER 10,000 fighters in Syria at the cost of billions.
You keep avoiding the actual topic of this thread. Clear and ample evidence that the CIA and SOS were discussing U.S. involvement within days of the start of the uprising in Syria. A process that's now left that country in shambles in and sent 1000's of refugees' some of whom are ISIS terrorists into or back into Europe. The Obama administration has gallons upon gallons of blood on its hands. But yes, keep avoiding discussing this.
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Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.
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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct. You can blame EDN for that.
Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.
It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won. How rough ridin' dunning can you get? But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.
You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed. Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland. I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences. But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.
Pro tip, if you have to claim victory in multiple posts, you haven't achieved it. Bo back to lying about your own record.
Ands its funny youre still stuck on the lies you've built on Yugo. If you think Operation Deliberate Force "quickened" the break up thats fine (and wrong) ~8400 people in Srebrenica would say otherwise and agree their country was proper mumped by then. But once again facts > your lies.
That's a point that's not even in contention. You just keep pointing out the obvious. I've started another thread.
I'll also note that you've said nothing about the overwhelming evidence of CIA involvement in Syria, documented in numerous sources in this thread. The CIA trained OVER 10,000 fighters in Syria at the cost of billions.
You keep avoiding the actual topic of this thread. Clear and ample evidence that the CIA and SOS were discussing U.S. involvement within days of the start of the uprising in Syria. A process that's now left that country in shambles in and sent 1000's of refugees' some of whom are ISIS terrorists into or back into Europe. The Obama administration has gallons upon gallons of blood on its hands. But yes, keep avoiding discussing this.
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But keep inventing strawmen to joust your lies at. the sad thing is, you and I aren't that far apart, I just choose to use facts instead of talking points to make my points. You choose to ignore important historical facts and supplant that with conspiracy theories. You mad.
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Obama says those who are opposed to flooding the US with Islamic Syrian refugees - nearly half of whom are men of fighting age, at least some whom are radicals - are unAmerican.
Well Mr. President, I guess most Americans are unAmerican.
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/israel_the_middle_east/few_support_bringing_more_syrian_refugees_to_u_s (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/israel_the_middle_east/few_support_bringing_more_syrian_refugees_to_u_s)
Man what an bad person. Elected twice.
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So dramatic
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So dramatic
You know what else is dramatic? Hundreds of civilians murdered by ISIS in a "safe" western country.
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So dramatic
You know what else is dramatic? Hundreds of civilians murdered by ISIS in a "safe" western country.
We have thousands of civilians murdered every year so I'm kinda desensitized to it. Worry about swimming pools and car wrecks instead of terrorism.
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If you don't accept the refugees, the terrorists win.
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what if isis killed 10,000 refugees if we didn't take them?
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So dramatic
You know what else is dramatic? Hundreds of civilians murdered by ISIS in a "safe" western country.
We have thousands of civilians murdered every year so I'm kinda desensitized to it. Worry about swimming pools and car wrecks instead of terrorism.
Wow.
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what if isis killed 10,000 refugees if we didn't take them?
I think that question is based on the faulty premise that there's no other way to protect innocent Syrians. But that's not true.
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someone could adopt them
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last time we fought a war in iraq about 100k civilians were killed, so you know, that's one way to protect them
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I hadn't realized that some of the most reputable media sources in the world had cadres of journalists engaged in creating conspiracy theories.
The CIA just came right out and admitted (and reported in the NYT's) that they trained over 10,000 fighters and sent them into Syria . . . but to whack-a-doodle EDN, that's a "conspiracy theory". You just can't make that kind of $hit up right there, a conspiracy theory.
Oh wait EDN wants to lecture us with a litany of stuff people learned in History of the Middle East 095.
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I wonder how many those 10,000 "Freedom Fighters" ended up in ISIS? Oh wait, that would be a "conspiracy theory" . . . I mean golly, there was no backlash from the CIA trained and supplied Mujaheddin.
Shoot, another conspiracy theory
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article35322882.html
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A story on NPR this morning said that ISIS pays its fighters $700 a month and always on time while the Afghan army pays $300 a month 5 months late or more.
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A story on NPR this morning said that ISIS pays its fighters $700 a month and always on time while the Afghan army pays $300 a month 5 months late or more.
easy to do when the CIA is giving you all dat cash!
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Can the mods create "an unless EDN whackadoodle says it, it's all conspiracy theory" thread so we can get on with this one.
Oh and remember the US didn't start supporting "freedom fighters" in Syria for "years" after the civil war started, well that is if a year is measured in 3 months or less.
But it was all just homegrown indigenous political upheaval with ZERO outside influence, regimes like Assads tend to let those flourish.
Que. 74 sentence Middle East 045: Captain Obvious Points That Everyone Knows screed.
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i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
strategy 101, ksuw fails.
https://twitter.com/gianlucamezzo/status/666554550229299200
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Paris terrorist a Syrian "refugee" (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official)
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.
Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:
Turns out it was.
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So he used somebody else's passport to pose as a Syrian refugee? :dunno:
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So he used somebody else's passport to pose as a Syrian refugee? :dunno:
yeah
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So he used somebody else's passport to pose as a Syrian refugee? :dunno:
Do you know what it means to "plant" something in this scenario?
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So he used somebody else's passport to pose as a Syrian refugee? :dunno:
Do you know what it means to "plant" something in this scenario?
It's not a plant. Just a fake. My fault for not reading closely enough.
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
The free stuff would make them reconsider being terrorists!
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
The free stuff would make them reconsider being terrorists!
No it wouldn't. Many terrorists were found to be on public assistance.
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
The free stuff would make them reconsider being terrorists!
No it wouldn't. Many terrorists were found to be on public assistance.
You have such a simple mind, it's adorable. Like a puppy.
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Yeah your typical run-of-the-mill terrorist: Private Jets, Bentley's, Finest Cheeses and Wines, Titanium platted AK's . . . pure T Hollywood stuff
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
Because that isn't how the American refugee system works? The problem is that many countries are registering these people without doing enough background checking. To even be considered coming here you must first go through the entire UN check system, then you have to go through our check system. If anything is "off" you are held and not free to travel in or to the US. Keep in mind that the US has taken in 750,000 refugees since 9/11 and none of them have been charged with domestic terrorism.
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You need a subscription, and be forewarned, it's assuredly a conspiracy theory (just channeling EDN whack-a-doodle logic), but another article from the London Times about the US shipping former Libyan arms into Syria.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1173125.ece
Of note is the AA systems which neutralize Assad's Air Force which subsequently only prolongs the fighting and hastens the entry of Assad Allies. But that's probably just a conspiracy theory.
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Hey Dax, proven liar and conspiracy theorist, lets move away from things everyone knows.
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Hey Dax, proven liar and conspiracy theorist, lets move away from things everyone knows.
Oh, no way proven Whack-A-Doodle and cutter and paster from the Captain Obvious Middle Eastern Textbook of Obvious Talking Points that everyone understands and liver of non-reality.
Not a chance.
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Hey Dax, proven liar and conspiracy theorist, lets move away from things everyone knows.
Oh, no way proven Whack-A-Doodle and cutter and paster from the Captain Obvious Middle Eastern Textbook of Obvious Talking Points that everyone understands and liver of non-reality.
Not a chance.
Weird posts are weird. Are you in a manic state? Do you require assistance?
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Hey Dax, proven liar and conspiracy theorist, lets move away from things everyone knows.
Oh, no way proven Whack-A-Doodle and cutter and paster from the Captain Obvious Middle Eastern Textbook of Obvious Talking Points that everyone understands and liver of non-reality.
Not a chance.
Weird posts are weird. Are you in a manic state? Do you require assistance?
Nope Whack-A-Doodle, I'm quite fine, just looking forward to your next sorry attempt to be the smartest guy in the room, so I can get a good laugh.
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Hey Dax, proven liar and conspiracy theorist, lets move away from things everyone knows.
Oh, no way proven Whack-A-Doodle and cutter and paster from the Captain Obvious Middle Eastern Textbook of Obvious Talking Points that everyone understands and liver of non-reality.
Not a chance.
Weird posts are weird. Are you in a manic state? Do you require assistance?
Nope Whack-A-Doodle, I'm quite fine, just looking forward to your next sorry attempt to be the smartest guy in the room, so I can get a good laugh.
Ts and Ps for your family Dax
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Hey Dax, proven liar and conspiracy theorist, lets move away from things everyone knows.
Oh, no way proven Whack-A-Doodle and cutter and paster from the Captain Obvious Middle Eastern Textbook of Obvious Talking Points that everyone understands and liver of non-reality.
Not a chance.
Weird posts are weird. Are you in a manic state? Do you require assistance?
Nope Whack-A-Doodle, I'm quite fine, just looking forward to your next sorry attempt to be the smartest guy in the room, so I can get a good laugh.
Ts and Ps for your family Dax
They're fine, I'm sad for anyone that you know when you launch into some silly whack-a-doodle dissertation about stuff that everybody already knows and/or when you go nuts because somebody had the audacity to criticize this clown car administration. I'm sure I'll see it on YouTube on some point in the future, looking forward to it.
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
Because that isn't how the American refugee system works? The problem is that many countries are registering these people without doing enough background checking. To even be considered coming here you must first go through the entire UN check system, then you have to go through our check system. If anything is "off" you are held and not free to travel in or to the US. Keep in mind that the US has taken in 750,000 refugees since 9/11 and none of them have been charged with domestic terrorism.
Thousands of people walk undetected into this country every day. So easy a child can do it.
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Which has nothing to do with refugees
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Thousands of people walk undetected into this country every day. So easy a child can do it.
how can they be bussed en masse to the obamaphone store if they are undetected?
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
Because that isn't how the American refugee system works? The problem is that many countries are registering these people without doing enough background checking. To even be considered coming here you must first go through the entire UN check system, then you have to go through our check system. If anything is "off" you are held and not free to travel in or to the US. Keep in mind that the US has taken in 750,000 refugees since 9/11 and none of them have been charged with domestic terrorism.
Thousands of people walk undetected into this country every day. So easy a child can do it.
As lib noted, it's tangential. By that standard we shouldn't worry about letting refugees in since it's so easy for terrorist to back door this country. If refugees are going through the process there is nothing to worry about. Also that talking point about terrorists circulating with Hispanics from the south has been around for years with no good proof.
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I think this is great. A free run in from the South, or press hard three copies . . . oh and there's a stack more after that, then holding, interviews and maybe, just maybe we'll let you flee U.S. backed hegemony.
'merica
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Good progress dax
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And why can't terrorists just as easily do that for a free flight to the United States? Free housing and other public assistance, too!
Because that isn't how the American refugee system works? The problem is that many countries are registering these people without doing enough background checking. To even be considered coming here you must first go through the entire UN check system, then you have to go through our check system. If anything is "off" you are held and not free to travel in or to the US. Keep in mind that the US has taken in 750,000 refugees since 9/11 and none of them have been charged with domestic terrorism.
Thousands of people walk undetected into this country every day. So easy a child can do it.
As lib noted, it's tangential. By that standard we shouldn't worry about letting refugees in since it's so easy for terrorist to back door this country. If refugees are going through the process there is nothing to worry about. Also that talking point about terrorists circulating with Hispanics from the south has been around for years with no good proof.
There is no proof because those that get caught that are not Mexican or Central American are classified as "Other".
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I love it. According to the Libtards, our refusal to enforce immigration laws is now a point in support of flying in hundreds of thousands more from terrorist hotbeds to put on welfare. :facepalm:
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I think John Kerry realized about halfway into this bout of verbal diarrhea that he had a problem...
There’s something different about what happened from Charlie Hebdo [and what happened in last week’s Paris attacks], and I think everybody would feel that. [In the Hebdo case] [t]here was a sort of particularized focus and perhaps even a legitimacy in terms of – not a legitimacy, but a rationale that you could attach yourself to somehow and say, okay, they’re really angry because of this and that.
This Friday was absolutely indiscriminate. It wasn’t to aggrieve one particular sense of wrong. It was to terrorize people. It was to attack everything that we do stand for. That’s not an exaggeration. It was to assault all sense of nationhood and nation-state and rule of law and decency, dignity, and just put fear into the community and say, “Here we are.”
I would call that a Freudian slip. Libtards believe the Charlie Hebdo folks kinda sorta brought that on themselves, but are usually pretty careful not to admit that.
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yup, that's what liberals think
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you really are insane, ksuw.
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yup, that's what liberals think
:thumbs:
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I love it. According to the Libtards, our refusal to enforce immigration laws is now a point in support of flying in hundreds of thousands more from terrorist hotbeds to put on welfare. :facepalm:
you know they don't really go on "welfare" and are statistically a net benefit to their local economies right? see Nixon's comments about StL and its experience with Bosnian refugees.
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I love it. According to the Libtards, our refusal to enforce immigration laws is now a point in support of flying in hundreds of thousands more from terrorist hotbeds to put on welfare. :facepalm:
you know they don't really go on "welfare" and are statistically a net benefit to their local economies right? see Nixon's comments about StL and its experience with Bosnian refugees.
Anything beyond the anecdotal spewing of a politician whack-a-doodle? Actual Crime statistics, incarceration rates within the population, assimilation rates, employment/unemployment rates and the like?
Thanks and I'll listen off air.
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seinfeld is half syrian. case closed.
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seinfeld is half syrian. case closed.
Hmm, did not know that
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you really are insane, ksuw.
You could just do a google search for all the libs who said words to the effect of "well, there's no excuse for murder, but those cartoonist really shouldn't have insulted the Muslims." But nah, I guess that's too much work.
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you really are insane, ksuw.
You could just do a google search for all the libs who said words to the effect of "well, there's no excuse for murder, but those cartoonist really shouldn't have insulted the Muslims." But nah, I guess that's too much work.
ksuw, is that what you think "je suis charlie hebdo" means?
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I love it. According to the Libtards, our refusal to enforce immigration laws is now a point in support of flying in hundreds of thousands more from terrorist hotbeds to put on welfare. :facepalm:
you know they don't really go on "welfare" and are statistically a net benefit to their local economies right? see Nixon's comments about StL and its experience with Bosnian refugees.
^ Says the guy who believes a melting glacier in Greenland is going to raise sea level by 18". Seriously. I don't even know why I bother responding, but...
First, yes, the vast majority of refugees are on at least some form of oublic assistance, aka welfare.
According to Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) data highlighted by the immigration subcommittee staff of
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) - chairman of the Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest — in FY 2013, 91.4 percent of Middle Eastern refugees (accepted to the U.S. between 2008-2013) received food stamps, 73.1 percent were on Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance and 68.3 percent were on cash welfare.
Middle Eastern refugees used a number of other assistance programs at slightly lower rates. For example, 36.7 percent received Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), 32.1 percent received Supplemental Security Income (SSI), 19.7 percent lived in public housing, 17.3 percent were on General Assistance (GA), and 10.9 percent received Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA).
Second, I'm sure you can point to some left-leaning think tank for "statisical" evidence that the heavily welfare dependent refugees are a "net benefit to their local economies." Just like I can cite to a right-leaning think-tank like Heritage that says just the opposite. https://www.numbersusa.com/news/additional-syrian-refugees-would-cost-taxpayers-65-billion (https://www.numbersusa.com/news/additional-syrian-refugees-would-cost-taxpayers-65-billion)
But really, I'd prefer to just use common sense. Today's immigrants are heavily welfare dependent and they are not assimilating. The FBI is quite concerned about the rise of radical Islam in these communities. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html) The spike in crime and welfare dependency does not seem like a "net benefit" to me.
But it bears repeating, you're the same libtard that thinks a melting glacier in Greenland is going to raise sea level by 18". Asking for common sense is a bridge too far.
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so whats going on in here?
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so whats going on in here?
terrorism is working
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Ksuw just bends a knee
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Anonymous has apparently taken down thousands of isis social media accounts already. This is my favorite part of this entire thing. Love how hackers are now good guys for a minute
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Anonymous has apparently taken down thousands of isis social media accounts already. This is my favorite part of this entire thing. Love how hackers are now good guys for a minute
I think they are outing Isis recruiters in Europe to authorities as well. I always think of hip-hop anonymous when I see their name.
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We live in an amazing world when old dudes are trying to bomb the crap out of these guys when cutting their technology is where you will stop them
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What bothers me about lulzsec or ghostsec or anon doing this now is that we've collectively known that Daesh are a bunch of fuckers. Why did it take Paris for them to do this damage.
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I had to give up on the past 3 pages. Wow. I am sure I missed some great posts.
Gonna win 'em all!
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@ednksu, this post is only for you. You win! That sonofdaxjones is an idiot and you really showed him. Probably no reason for you to post anymore in here.
Gonna win 'em all!
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@sonofdaxjones, this post is only for you. You win! That ednksu is a real dumbass! You probably don't need to post anymore in here. Good job!
Gonna win 'em all!
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In the future, if you are really wanting to argue and not have a decent discussion and be open to thinking about others' opinions, maybe just have the argument via PM's?
Gonna win 'em all!
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ZOMG how did I miss this? :lol:
The president took a veiled shot at real estate mogul Donald Trump, who has been especially harsh in his criticisms of the White House. "What I’m not interested in doing is posing or pursuing some notion of American leadership or America winning or whatever other slogans they come up with that has no relationship to what is actually going to work to protect the American people and to protect the people in the region who are getting killed and to protect our allies and people like France," Obama said, adding, "I’m too busy for that.”
Yeah, don't bother me with all this talk about "leadership" and "winning." :lol: I hope he used air quotes when he said it!
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In the future, if you are really wanting to argue and not have a decent discussion and be open to thinking about others' opinions, maybe just have the argument via PM's?
Gonna win 'em all!
You can't allow one day of rough ridin' with Dax? I mean I was done the next day *kicks rocks*
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You guys are basically arguing over your risk tolerance for admitting a terrorist into the country. The libtards are happy to assume the risk (it is rough ridin' insane to argue there is no risk, so stop it), because that's what their master wants. The normal people prefer to error on the side of caution. Railing against each other over risk tolerance is stupid.
What you are all missing is that these people will likely be monitored by the DHS for the rest of their lives, like some enangered species. Without permission or knowledge. That seems mumped up for the non terrorists.
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the risk of letting a few more terrorists sneak in (almost a certainty) is only one problem. Arguably a bigger problem is importing a large Muslim population that will not assimilate and become a breeding ground for radical Islam and future terrorists, much like has already occurred in the Somali communities in Minneapolis.
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Why won't regresocons assimilate to traditional american values like accepting immigrants and refugees?
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^^^^
Uses words he doesn't know the meaning of
:D
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Just a constant assault on traditional american values by the regresocon right. Sad really
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Their children will assimilate, nobody in the history of immigration has been able to keep their 2nd generation from becoming lazy and entitled like the rest of us.
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Just a constant assault on traditional american values by the regresocon right. Sad really
Pissypants7 post :jerk:
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Their children will assimilate, nobody in the history of immigration has been able to keep their 2nd generation from becoming lazy and entitled like the rest of us.
That does not appear to be the case anymore.
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Their children will assimilate, nobody in the history of immigration has been able to keep their 2nd generation from becoming lazy and entitled like the rest of us.
That does not appear to be the case anymore.
Who's second generation isn't like this?
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Yes, a call for some common sense in a post 9-11 world is true regressiveism. :rolleyes.
Fascinating in light of the fact that ProgLib failure of a president (so bad that even Dem candidates for Pres can't even sum up their debate thoughts without painting an extremely bleak picture of current day America) has been growing the police state ever since he took office.
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Their children will assimilate, nobody in the history of immigration has been able to keep their 2nd generation from becoming lazy and entitled like the rest of us.
That does not appear to be the case anymore.
Who's second generation isn't like this?
Ummm too many Muslims in Europe (analogous)
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You guys are basically arguing over your risk tolerance for admitting a terrorist into the country. The libtards are happy to assume the risk (it is rough ridin' insane to argue there is no risk, so stop it), because that's what their master wants. The normal people prefer to error on the side of caution. Railing against each other over risk tolerance is stupid.
What you are all missing is that these people will likely be monitored by the DHS for the rest of their lives, like some enangered species. Without permission or knowledge. That seems mumped up for the non terrorists.
It's interesting to watch you guys square this with the entirety of talking points for gun rights. By your standards we should turn in all of our guns because we will get to the point of perfect security and won't need things like CCWs.
Or we shouldn't give up American values and accept others because we've usually been willing to accept security risks for that whole freedom thing.
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The "American values" talking point is unusually dishonest and disingenuous, even by libtard standards. If libtard Hero FDR was in office, the muslims would be living out their days in nazi style ghettos ("internment camps").
These people will literally repeat anything they are told. Like programmed chatty Cathy dolls.
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Japanese Americans in internment camps, German American areas under intense FBI scrutiny at all times. The hallmark of ProgLib hero FDR's "American Values".
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Interesting... Regresocons bring up events from 70 years ago instead of addressing their current assault on traditional american values
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FDR was 100% wrong about internment camps. They were pretty disgusting.
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FDR was 100% wrong about internment camps. They were pretty disgusting.
That shouldn't be controversial, yet one of the leading regresocon presidential candidates is advocating for a national muslim registry
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Interesting... Regresocons bring up events from 70 years ago instead of addressing their current assault on traditional american values
Is it ProgLib - nihilism, anarchy, fatalism?? . . . it's really hard to pen down. Possibly this will be an excuse to ramp up Obama's police state, and maybe even get their long desired indefinite detention policies implemented. But who will be targeted?
You can't keep pointing to "American Values" without bringing up history. WWII U.S. Internment campus and ultra high security scrutiny of U.S. citizens (U.S. involvement started and finished by Prog-Lib/Lib), Vietnamese Refugees (created by a war started by Dem/Libs), Syrian Refugees (war perpetuated and expanded by Prog Lib).
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FDR was 100% wrong about internment camps. They were pretty disgusting.
That shouldn't be controversial, yet one of the leading regresocon presidential candidates is advocating for a national muslim registry
Not to stick up for Trump, who is a buffoon, but I don't think he actually said that. It sounds more like he was asked the question, he dodged it with his typical "we're gonna look at a lot of things" bullshit when doesn't know how to answer, he was then asked why he wouldn't specifically answer the question, he did some more dodging and it was ultimately construed as Trump supports national database.
It's bad enough that he couldn't just say "no," though. Again, buffoon.
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We have different understandings of the word "definitely" I guess
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lol @ the lib7 retreat :lol:
Lib7 American Values = social welfare and police state
:lol: What else is msnbc telling you to say? This is hilarious
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FDR was 100% wrong about internment camps. They were pretty disgusting.
An inconvenient truth regarding the American immigration system, which, as fantasized/revised by libtards, involved everyone anyone hopping off a boat, getting an ssn and off to a 30 hr work week earning equal and living wages.
This is the dialogue the psychopaths are pushing
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-22-12-35-40 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-22-12-35-40)
"We do not succumb to fear," he said. "The most powerful tool we have to fight ISIL is to say that we're not afraid, to not elevate them, to somehow buy into their fantasy that they're doing something important," Obama said.
Well crap. If that's really the most powerful weapon we've got against ISIS, were mumped.
Also, I suspect the people of France and Belgium think what ISIS is doing is pretty important.
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Ok. I'm going to respectfully suggest a few weapons in our arsenal that are stronger than saying we're not afraid.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/A-10_Thunderbolt_II_In-flight-2.jpg/640px-A-10_Thunderbolt_II_In-flight-2.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/MQ-1_Predator_unmanned_aircraft.jpg/640px-MQ-1_Predator_unmanned_aircraft.jpg)
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dodlive.mil%2Ffiles%2F2014%2F01%2F1146393.jpg&hash=bbd9b007ce6c2562cd03aee7831db37e6a730a2a)
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lol
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Obama doesn't seem very scary, unless you like your health insurance or doctor and want to keep them.
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Olimp met with France's President Holenads today and after said our fight against gobal warming will show the ISIS death thugs that we are not we are not scared of them?????
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This is the man leading America's fight against terrorism. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html)
Yes, a climate change summit. "What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists."
Elected twice.
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This is the man leading America's fight against terrorism. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html)
Yes, a climate change summit. "What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists."
Elected twice.
i think he means going to paris
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This is the man leading America's fight against terrorism. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html)
Yes, a climate change summit. "What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists."
Elected twice.
i think he means going to paris
Does he really think that's why ISIS attacked Paris?
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This is the man leading America's fight against terrorism. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/obama_what_a_powerful_rebuke_to_the_terrorists_paris_climate_summit_will_be.html)
Yes, a climate change summit. "What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists."
Elected twice.
i think he means going to paris
Does he really think that's why ISIS attacked Paris?
do you see what you're doing? you're getting someone who most of this board thinks is a neo con to defend obama. is this the battle you want to fight?
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I don't think you're a neocon, cf3. You're far too compassionate.
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More like adoracon
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About 18th consecutive last chance to save the earth. Meanwhile still a mess in Syria.