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« Reply #225 on: November 16, 2015, 03:13:29 PM »
Just more captain obvious points that have nothing to do with a matter at hand outside of the fact that arms shipments originated from Croatia a member of NATO and ended up in the hands of rebels in Syria (not Libya, ya dumbass.   The Yugoslavian weapons from Libya to Syria were original sold to the Libyan Military by the Milosevic regime).   Again, just more deflection by you.   

I have never once said that the ethnic genocide happend because of Western Influence, and have never even implied that.  Where in the F_ck did you get that.  Albeit the argument could easily be made we helped Jihadists during the war via CIA and arms shipments from Iran to the KLA that the Clinton administration turned a blind eye to . . . but that has nothing to do with this. 

This is about Paris and Syria of which Libya opened up a new jumping off point to overthrow Assad.

 

Yugo fell apart because Yugo fell apart. Yugo falling apart = the ethnic genocide that occurred.  It wasn't because "Who broke up Yugoslavia . . . NATO".  You're a rough ridin' liar, at least change your posts so it isn't so easy for me to pull the evidence of you lying. 

But if you want to get back to Syria fine.  Do you want to refute you lying about your post history on the topic or just sweep that under the rug.  I'll wait for your next "trashing" as you drown in a sea of your own ignorance.
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« Reply #226 on: November 16, 2015, 03:39:27 PM »
I really enjoyed the last few pages of this thread minus the edn/dax stuff.  Maybe you guys should take a hike

I've scrolled by most of it, but I catch the phrase wack a doodle now and then and it's all worth it
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« Reply #227 on: November 16, 2015, 03:39:47 PM »
You're just arguing about semantics.  At the end of the day Yugoslavia and the ethnic cleansing and the NATO bombing and having a pee'ing contest of why it broke up has nothing to do with this.   But how rough riding stupid do you have to be to even imply the NATO bombing didn't hasten the break-up of Yugoslavia, I mean, really?? 

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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36146.msg1462369#msg1462369

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33788.msg1262503#msg1262503

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=30424.msg993354#msg993354

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36000.msg1429105#msg1429105

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32510.msg1173856#msg1173856

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=22816.msg659668#msg659668

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=31595.msg1068702#msg1068702

Look at you trying to be funny in that thread, Anthony Bourdain visited Libya and all they did was walk around in the rubble.  You're a sad piece of $hit EDN.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28421.msg880201#msg880201

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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #228 on: November 16, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs

"Syria is very diverse, ethnically and religiously, but most Syrians are ethnic Arab and follow the Sunni branch of Islam."


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« Reply #230 on: November 16, 2015, 03:53:34 PM »
Good number of one post threads in there  :frown:
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« Reply #231 on: November 16, 2015, 03:55:44 PM »
ksuw: Syrians are not Arabs

"Syria is very diverse, ethnically and religiously, but most Syrians are ethnic Arab and follow the Sunni branch of Islam."

I think libtards tend to automatically assume that the word "Arab" is always used incorrectly. This makes them look quite foolish. This could have been avoided with 5 seconds on Google.
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« Reply #232 on: November 16, 2015, 04:04:13 PM »
Good number of one post threads in there  :frown:

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« Reply #233 on: November 16, 2015, 04:07:05 PM »
sorry, meant to say "all Syrians". Syria is not part of the Arabian peninsula and i know many Syrians do not consider themselves Arab. But you are correct many Syrians do. my point was you said something along the lines of "democracy would never work in Syria because Arabs do not understand it"

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« Reply #234 on: November 16, 2015, 04:11:45 PM »
and more:

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32020.msg1099954#msg1099954

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32592.msg1376533#msg1376533

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35849.msg1424728#msg1424728

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32831.msg1194773#msg1194773

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=27628.msg1107305#msg1107305

I looked at 2 so far.  First one isn't something I dispute about running guns, but you fail to realize that occurred after the civil war was under way and probably after your side blocked military intervention in Syria before Daesh got so large.  The second one is more of the same bullshit you spew where you call them "rebels" implying they are covert actors acting only at our behest when they aren't and were actively engaged in rebellion years before we were involved.  SO you're posting stuff that agrees with me calling you out, so thanks, I guess.  Talk about wackadoodle.
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« Reply #235 on: November 16, 2015, 04:21:50 PM »
First of all, by implication you said that I didn't start talking about this until recently.   That point has been proven to be completely false.

By all accounts the Syrian Civil War started in March 2011, you can begin finding information about CIA involvement and weapons running in less then a year after that date.   You're so full of crap you simply have no idea just how full of crap you are.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/21/down-memory-hole-nyt-erases-cias-efforts-overthrow-syrias-government

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The idea of bolstering Syrian rebels was debated from the early days of the civil war, which started in 2011. Mrs. Clinton, along with David H. Petraeus, then the CIA director, and Leon E. Panetta, then the Defense secretary, supported arming opposition forces, but the president worried about deep entanglement in someone else’s war after the bloody experience in Iraq.

In 2014, however, after the Islamic State had swept through parts of Syria and Iraq, Mr. Obama reversed course and initiated a $500 million program to train and arm rebels who had been vetted and were told to fight the Islamic State, not Mr. Assad’s government.

This is outright false. These two paragraphs, while cleverly parsed, give the reader the impression Obama parted with the CIA and Mrs. Clinton on arming opposition forces, only to “reverse course” in 2014. But the president never “reversed course,” because he did exactly what Panetta, Petraeus and Clinton urged him to do: He armed the opposition. Once again, the Pentagon’s Keystone Kop plan is being passed off by journalists who should know better as the beginning and end of American involvement in the Syrian rebellion. Nowhere in this report is the CIA’s plan mentioned at all.

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« Reply #236 on: November 16, 2015, 04:33:26 PM »
sorry, meant to say "all Syrians". Syria is not part of the Arabian peninsula and i know many Syrians do not consider themselves Arab. But you are correct many Syrians do. my point was you said something along the lines of "democracy would never work in Syria because Arabs do not understand it"

And they don't. And they're the largest demographic in Syria.  :dunno:
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« Reply #237 on: November 16, 2015, 04:42:56 PM »
The ProgLib article is very good because it succinctly points out the reporting minutia the most media get caught up in . . . there was the U.S. military's involvement with the "freedom fighters" and then CIA's involvement.   The CIA's involvement was much larger involving thousands of people and the movement of millions of dollars worth of arms. 

The Baker report in the article doesn't include Libya because Libya hadn't been destroyed entirely by this administration at the time the Baker report came out.





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« Reply #238 on: November 16, 2015, 04:56:46 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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« Reply #239 on: November 16, 2015, 05:02:55 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct.   You can blame EDN for that. 

Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.

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« Reply #240 on: November 16, 2015, 05:08:56 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct.   You can blame EDN for that. 

Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.

It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won.  How rough ridin' dunning can you get?  But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot. 
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« Reply #241 on: November 16, 2015, 05:13:31 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmakers-move-to-curb-1-billion-cia-program-to-train-syrian-rebels/2015/06/12/b0f45a9e-1114-11e5-adec-e82f8395c032_story.html

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U.S. officials said the CIA has trained and equipped nearly 10,000 fighters sent into Syria over the past several years — meaning that the agency is spending roughly $100,000 per year for every anti-Assad rebel who has gone through the program.

More lies and conspiracy theories by me I guess.   Where did those 10,000 fighters come from EDN?  TEN THOUSAND.

Look at you trying to deflect with Yugoslavia, what a complete dumbass.

 


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« Reply #242 on: November 16, 2015, 05:26:25 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct.   You can blame EDN for that. 

Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.

It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won.  How rough ridin' dunning can you get?  But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.

You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed.   Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland.   I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences.   But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.

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« Reply #243 on: November 16, 2015, 05:52:31 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct.   You can blame EDN for that. 

Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.

It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won.  How rough ridin' dunning can you get?  But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.

You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed.   Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland.   I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences.   But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.

Pro tip, if you have to claim victory in multiple posts, you haven't achieved it.  Bo back to lying about your own record.
Ands its funny youre still stuck on the lies you've built on Yugo.  If you think Operation Deliberate Force "quickened" the break up thats fine (and wrong) ~8400 people in Srebrenica would say otherwise and agree their country was proper mumped by then. But once again facts > your lies.
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« Reply #244 on: November 16, 2015, 06:12:38 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct.   You can blame EDN for that. 

Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.

It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won.  How rough ridin' dunning can you get?  But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.

You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed.   Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland.   I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences.   But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.

Pro tip, if you have to claim victory in multiple posts, you haven't achieved it.  Bo back to lying about your own record.
Ands its funny youre still stuck on the lies you've built on Yugo.  If you think Operation Deliberate Force "quickened" the break up thats fine (and wrong) ~8400 people in Srebrenica would say otherwise and agree their country was proper mumped by then. But once again facts > your lies.

That's a point that's not even in contention.   You just keep pointing out the obvious.  I've started another thread.

I'll also note that you've said nothing about the overwhelming evidence of CIA involvement in Syria, documented in numerous sources in this thread.  The CIA trained OVER 10,000 fighters in Syria at the cost of billions.   

You keep avoiding the actual topic of this thread.   Clear and ample evidence that the CIA and SOS were discussing U.S. involvement within days of the start of the uprising in Syria.   A process that's now left that country in shambles in and sent 1000's of refugees' some of whom are ISIS terrorists into or back into Europe.   The Obama administration has gallons upon gallons of blood on its hands.   But yes, keep avoiding discussing this. 



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« Reply #245 on: November 16, 2015, 08:39:40 PM »
Good grief, edn and dax have ruined this thread.

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Well, apparently some people when faced with reality want to try and obfuscate and re-direct.   You can blame EDN for that. 

Read the "Down the Memory Hole" article if you want a very precise overview of U.S. involvement and how Syria became so eff'd up at the hands of the United States and its proxies, which subsequently lead to the refugee exodus that reportedly ISIS is using as cover to infiltrate Europe and/or radicalize embedded Muslims.

It's great that you've been exposed and a liar and a discredited conspiracy theorist and think you've won.  How rough ridin' dunning can you get?  But tell us more how the US caused Yugo to fall apart or that the Arab Spring was entirely an American CIA plot.

You've latched on to semantics because you're getting destroyed.   Now if you want to live in a land of delusion where the United States/NATO didn't quicken the ultimate break up and dissolution of Yugoslavia by all means continue to live in dreamland.   I also clearly stated that Arab Spring would have been crushed without outside influences.   But by all means, keep chasing down those rabbit holes as I continue to pound away with facts on Syria and CIA involvement.

Pro tip, if you have to claim victory in multiple posts, you haven't achieved it.  Bo back to lying about your own record.
Ands its funny youre still stuck on the lies you've built on Yugo.  If you think Operation Deliberate Force "quickened" the break up thats fine (and wrong) ~8400 people in Srebrenica would say otherwise and agree their country was proper mumped by then. But once again facts > your lies.

That's a point that's not even in contention.   You just keep pointing out the obvious.  I've started another thread.

I'll also note that you've said nothing about the overwhelming evidence of CIA involvement in Syria, documented in numerous sources in this thread.  The CIA trained OVER 10,000 fighters in Syria at the cost of billions.   

You keep avoiding the actual topic of this thread.   Clear and ample evidence that the CIA and SOS were discussing U.S. involvement within days of the start of the uprising in Syria.   A process that's now left that country in shambles in and sent 1000's of refugees' some of whom are ISIS terrorists into or back into Europe.   The Obama administration has gallons upon gallons of blood on its hands.   But yes, keep avoiding discussing this.


But keep inventing strawmen to joust your lies at.  the sad thing is, you and I aren't that far apart, I just choose to use facts instead of talking points to make my points.  You choose to ignore important historical facts and supplant that with conspiracy theories.   You mad.
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« Reply #246 on: November 16, 2015, 09:36:18 PM »
Obama says those who are opposed to flooding the US with Islamic Syrian refugees - nearly half of whom are men of fighting age, at least some whom are radicals - are unAmerican.

Well Mr. President, I guess most Americans are unAmerican.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/israel_the_middle_east/few_support_bringing_more_syrian_refugees_to_u_s

Man what an bad person. Elected twice.
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« Reply #247 on: November 16, 2015, 09:39:27 PM »
So dramatic

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« Reply #248 on: November 16, 2015, 09:41:08 PM »
So dramatic

You know what else is dramatic? Hundreds of civilians murdered by ISIS in a "safe" western country.
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« Reply #249 on: November 16, 2015, 09:43:47 PM »
So dramatic

You know what else is dramatic? Hundreds of civilians murdered by ISIS in a "safe" western country.
We have thousands of civilians murdered every year so I'm kinda desensitized to it. Worry about swimming pools and car wrecks instead of terrorism.