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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #150 on: November 15, 2015, 01:29:25 PM »
i hope everyone here is clear headed enough to realize that the passport was deliberately carried, so that it could be found.

Yes, I'm sure it was a plant. :facepalm:

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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2015, 12:49:40 AM »
You say hyperbole, but every post you make about a region of instability you link back to Obama. Sorry that is your post history.  If you don't feel that way, be less of a shitty poster.  (another screed from EDN  :rolleyes:, and me linking everything to Obama is crap, but he has been in office for what, SEVEN years now?)

To your point about captain obvs....well it's not from your posting.  You never talk about colonialism, you never talk about the war in Iraq being the most recent cause for this regional instability (because you'd have to hop off that Republican crock you love so much).  (I mentioned Iraq earlier in this thread, and clandestine wars of aggression are just another form of colonialism, and it's absolutely irrefutable that the current SOS, the former SOS and the sitting VP were major proponents of the Iraq War and Hillary's husband tried to wag the dog with Iraq when he was president)

 And you sure as eff never talk about the regional players who are the root cause to the continued instability.  (I've talked about Saudi Arabia and others being engaged for a long time in many posts, but they're still by and large proxies of the United States and/or Western Intlligence agencies)  You sure as eff don't talk about Turkey, a NATO ally running guns into ISIS against our wishes. (I've talked about gun running to ISIS often and if you think it was done against our wishes, or U.S. weapons or at least U.S. shipped weapons aren't in the hands of ISIS either purposefully or by accident you're an utter whack-a-doodle)  Why don't you talk about stuff like that, because it would utterly destroy your talking points of a world hegemon US, headed by Obama (As Glenn Greenwald so succinctly said a few years back, the Obama Administration on some levels was and in some ways still is out neo-con'ing the neo-cons) running amok and blundering from conflict to conflict.  None of those facts fit your narrative so you don't even ignore them, you put blinders on and viciously attack anyone who brings up relevant facts that check your points. (total bullshit) You don't have an ounce of ideological credibility to discuss things because your narrative is informing your view, not the facts.  (laughable, you've been nothing but a constant apologist for all things Obama and all things Dem/Prog-Lib)

Those facts that you conveniently ignore, are not part of a proglib agenda.  They are part of what we call "truth" and I'm sorry that your agenda driven perspective is so blinded by anything that runs counter to your preconceptions that you must block it off as "proglib" (or whatever the neo right will call it next month).  The fact that you "allude" to US and Western powers is the problem.  There is nothing to allude to.  It's part of your issues with the truth that there are other actors outside the US and the amorphous "allies"/everyone else.  The facts that you "allude" to this shows how rough ridin' ignorant you are, when our "allies" are acting against American foreign policy.  The fact is every time you homogenize "allies" it shows that you don't understand there are a eff load of countries in the region pursuing their own policy goals that run counter to ours.  These facts can't fit into your narrative so you are ignoring them and failing to assimilate them. It's the same bullshit from the neo-right that got us mumped in Iraq to begin with because you are smoothing out details you find irrelevant at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and the security of this nation.  Stop and examine something that runs counter to your small world and expand your rough ridin' horizons.  (All Captain Obvious points understood a long time ago, the simple facts there is no regime change in Libya there is no real attempt at regime change in Syria, there is likely less destabilization in Yemen, and there is less propping up of Theological Dictatorships without the United States, not to mention the idiotic attempt to . . . STILL! To get the Muslim Brotherhood back at the table in Egypt, without the United States)

Your points about Russia here make no sense.  Anyone who understands policy knows that Russia is doing this for only their self interest and it has eff all to do with combating ISIS.  It's semi related because they are starting a larger fire *here* so islamo fascism doesn't burn in their backyard in Chechnya or Georgia.  It has more to do with rough ridin' with the "west" and you would know that if you payed attention to who they were attacking in the opening weeks of their operation.  Instead you're too busy with your face in Putin's lap to look at what is going on around you.  But that would require you fitting facts into your narrative that might eff up your anti-Obama agenda.   (I talked about Russia's self interests a long time ago on this board, you apparently weren't paying any attention)

And the point about foxnews, is that their journalistic integrity is a solid as your reasoning.  I love the "I barely even pay attention to Fox News" talking point though, it makes for a good laugh when you're spouting off their talking points week after week, see your prolific use of "proglib".  But lets not belabor that point.  You only get your news from sources fit your agenda.  Fine and dandy you don't "pay attention" to foxnews.  I'll away your next batch of talking points though.  I'm sure they won't fit anything breitbart, fox, drudge, daily caller, weekly standard, or red state are putting out there.  (Again, you can't have this conversation with somebody who either doesn't pay any attention to what I've actually posted on this board and is such a hardcore apologist for all things Prog-Lib.   I have repeatedly and continuously posted articles from media sources and entities that will never be discussed on Drudge, or Fox News . . . again, apparently you weren't paying any attention.   Your re-hasing stuff I was talking about months, even years ago all because you simply cannot handle any criticism of the Obama Administration)

Fine you don't want a discussion, here we go....

You're a rough ridin' liar.  You haven't posted half the crap you claim to have.  You're lying about saying was Turkey running guns for their own interests because you said it was Obama/CIA doing it.  You are lying about linking it to the Iraq war in a meaningful way.  The rest of your bullshit has no intellectual basis.  Everything you are claiming about news sources is bullshit because your talking points you recite daily betray you. If you find something on google news and post it, it doesn't make up for the hundreds of posts you have practically weekly, that say the opposite.  You're an intellectual coward (note how you don't quote anything you've said proving my critiques wrong when I'm quoting your bullshit).  You can't conceive of a world where the US doesn't try to run everything and your point about SA, Turk, and UAE being proxies shows you don't know what the eff you are talking. We haven't been able to get them off the sidelines in a meaningful way and had beg Turkey to let us use Incirlik.  So eff your neo-colonialist conspiracy theorist mindset.  You're an ass who would rather make political hay while the French blood is still being spilt because, like many Republicans now, the safety of the US and our allies, the merit of our values are second, and the truth of what America is doing in the world are all secondary to attacking Obama. 
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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2015, 12:55:54 AM »
This piece does a good job of explaining why the US has used some of the language it has used to describe Daesh.  I agree with many of the points.  It's a shame the neo-right doesn't *get* this.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/09/words-matter-isis-war-use-daesh/V85GYEuasEEJgrUun0dMUP/story.html?event=event25
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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2015, 01:39:07 AM »
If we hadn't left a power vacuum in Syria, would the terrorists be attacking us instead of France?
what do you think is happening in Syria?  This is a semi honest question here.
I have no idea, at least with regards to how we could have prevented the Paris attacks.

Here is what I'm having issues with...we haven't "left" to create a power vacuum in Syria.  As much as the neocons here want you to think this US "started" this, it was an organic Syrian uprising in Syria.  Daesh moved into those lands because there was no functioning sovereign state to keep them out. I think it might be a good topic to talk about for everyone.
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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2015, 02:33:27 AM »
Fine you don't want a discussion, here we go.... (Where did I say I didn't want a discussion, I said you can't discuss this with people like you, I'm tearing you to shreds here, so you keep moving the goalposts to try and make a point, but you're not making any that aren't already understood).

You're a rough ridin' liar.  You haven't posted half the crap you claim to have. (you're hilarious and slow, I see you commenting on articles that were posted by others when I posted the same articles days before, the articles from the Atlantic about the campus situations are perfect examples) You're lying about saying was Turkey running guns for their own interests because you said it was Obama/CIA doing it.  You are lying about linking it to the Iraq war in a meaningful way. (I have never said it was ONLY the Obama/CIA doing it, but this is willful ignorance of how the CIA has been unleashed by this administration.  The Intelligence complex that the U.S. runs is massive, for example there's more then ample proof that U.S. intelligence was running former Libyan military weapons into Syria, and as I said that's just one example.  The CIA has been unleashed by this administration)  The rest of your bullshit has no intellectual basis.  Everything you are claiming about news sources is bullshit because your talking points you recite daily betray you. (You don't like the talking points so you talk all over yourself and conjure up stawman, because as I've said you clearly cannot handle any criticism of this administration) If you find something on google news and post it, it doesn't make up for the hundreds of posts you have practically weekly, that say the opposite. (Just more personal can't handle any criticism BS) You're an intellectual coward (note how you don't quote anything you've said proving my critiques wrong when I'm quoting your bullshit) (You haven't quoted anything, you're a complete whack-a-doodle, you're just writing one screed after another, full of nonsense).  You can't conceive of a world where the US doesn't try to run everything and your point about SA, Turk, and UAE being proxies shows you don't know what the eff you are talking. (Apparently you can conceive of a world where the U.S. utterly impotent and doesn't in fact spend more on it's military industrial and intelligence complex then the next 7 to 10 countries combined.  Apparently you live under the deluded belief that every action under taken or influenced by the United State by these proxies is going to be discussed on the front page of the NYT's or somehow make into the Congressional record) We haven't been able to get them off the sidelines in a meaningful way and had beg Turkey to let us use Incirlik.(Who is them?  And thanks for telling all of us who pay any attention what we knew about Incirlik weeks ago, what has that really got to do with anything?  You're just trying to sound smart . . . and doing it poorly I might add, because, as I've said you can't handle any criticism of this administration)  So eff your neo-colonialist conspiracy theorist mindset.  (so one minute I don't discuss colonialism and the next it's neo-colonialism Bullshit.  So tell me for example who was running the entirety of the operation in Libya the end?   U.S. drones overhead, JSOC boots on the ground.   Who was the chief inciter of Arab Spring?   Who selling more arms then anyone in the world to ME countries, by ratios factored 10:1, 15:1 or much higher?   Just because old men smoking cigars aren't gathered in a room dividing up an old dusty map of the Middle East doesn't mean that a modern form of colonialism doesn't exist.  Just more pseudo-intellectual nonsense from you).  You're an ass who would rather make political hay while the French blood is still being spilt because, like many Republicans now, the safety of the US and our allies, the merit of our values are second, and the truth of what America is doing in the world are all secondary to attacking Obama. (First off there's an entirely other thread for Paris you dumbass, remember?  It's absolutely hypocritical for any Prog-Lib to talk about making political hay because literally anything that happens that's centered around Prog-Lib causes and Prog-Libs will be politicizing it within minutes.  The destabilization of Syria and terrorists infiltrating Europe and probably the U.S. as refugees is a direct result of U.S. and Western policy.  Obama's leadership on this issue is just laughable, his little microphone time from the G20 yesterday was a passionless, stammering barrage of nothingness.   He knows he and his administration are largely responsible for this mess getting out of hand.   Since Obama has taken over the ME and the periphery and now Europe are ablaze in war (and probably soon here), far beyond just Afghanistan and Iraq and few brush fire situations.  It's also not unthinkable to legitimately ask if it's been done on purpose)
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« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2015, 03:08:30 AM »
LOL at tearing me up  :lol:
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« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2015, 03:41:09 AM »
Fine you don't want a discussion, here we go.... (Where did I say I didn't want a discussion, I said you can't discuss this with people like you, I'm tearing you to shreds here, so you keep moving the goalposts to try and make a point, but you're not making any that aren't already understood).

You're a rough ridin' liar.  You haven't posted half the crap you claim to have. (you're hilarious and slow, I see you commenting on articles that were posted by others when I posted the same articles days before, the articles from the Atlantic about the campus situations are perfect examples) no response to show proof you didnt lie, because you know, you're lying, again.  Nice

 You're lying about saying was Turkey running guns for their own interests because you said it was Obama/CIA doing it.  You are lying about linking it to the Iraq war in a meaningful way. (I have never said it was ONLY the Obama/CIA doing it, but this is willful ignorance of how the CIA has been unleashed by this administration.  The Intelligence complex that the U.S. runs is massive, for example there's more then ample proof that U.S. intelligence was running former Libyan military weapons into Syria, and as I said that's just one example.  The CIA has been unleashed by this administration)
Once again you aren't recognizing the facts about other countries you say are our allies acting in their own interests. You have no response by deflection back to Libya. Tap out bitch, you've lost this point every time you try to respond.  You say it's one example, but it's your only "example" that you flail with.  It's weak and doesn't scratch the surface of what is going on.    

  The rest of your bullshit has no intellectual basis.  Everything you are claiming about news sources is bullshit because your talking points you recite daily betray you. (You don't like the talking points so you talk all over yourself and conjure up stawman, because as I've said you clearly cannot handle any criticism of this administration) I have no problem criticizing this admin and their repeated failures. I have a problem with rough ridin' blowhards like you running your rough ridin' mouths like you know what you're talking about polluting America. You should read a book or shut up.  Facts are not strawmen.

If you find something on google news and post it, it doesn't make up for the hundreds of posts you have practically weekly, that say the opposite. (Just more personal can't handle any criticism BS)
LOL
 You're an intellectual coward (note how you don't quote anything you've said proving my critiques wrong when I'm quoting your bullshit) (You haven't quoted anything, you're a complete whack-a-doodle, you're just writing one screed after another, full of nonsense). I don't need to quote anything....also because they don't exist.  You need to point to any evidence of me showing how wrong you are, and you can't.  That is why every "response" you have is a deflection.

  You can't conceive of a world where the US doesn't try to run everything and your point about SA, Turk, and UAE being proxies shows you don't know what the eff you are talking. (Apparently you can conceive of a world where the U.S. utterly impotent and doesn't in fact spend more on it's military industrial and intelligence complex then the next 7 to 10 countries combined.  Apparently you live under the deluded belief that every action under taken or influenced by the United State by these proxies is going to be discussed on the front page of the NYT's or somehow make into the Congressional record) LOL what does this even mean?  It makes no sense.  I would love to slash our defense budget.  I would love to stop rough ridin' with countries that act against our interests from Israel to Saudi Arabia.  You're the one who says our random "allies" act only according to our interest/demands when it's totally rough ridin' wrong.

We haven't been able to get them off the sidelines in a meaningful way and had beg Turkey to let us use Incirlik.(Who is them?  And thanks for telling all of us who pay any attention what we knew about Incirlik weeks ago, what has that really got to do with anything?  You're just trying to sound smart . . . and doing it poorly I might add, because, as I've said you can't handle any criticism of this administration) Once again me showing how you've left out too many details that show you know nothing about the region and how all of those details add up to destroy your talking points.  But that is nothing new to you.


 So eff your neo-colonialist conspiracy theorist mindset.  (so one minute I don't discuss colonialism and the next it's neo-colonialism Bullshit.  So tell me for example who was running the entirety of the operation in Libya the end?   U.S. drones overhead, JSOC boots on the ground.   Who was the chief inciter of Arab Spring?   Who selling more arms then anyone in the world to ME countries, by ratios factored 10:1, 15:1 or much higher?   Just because old men smoking cigars aren't gathered in a room dividing up an old dusty map of the Middle East doesn't mean that a modern form of colonialism doesn't exist.  Just more pseudo-intellectual nonsense from you).  Libya Libya Libya, if you say it enough you can eff Hillary.  The fact that you keep saying the chief inciter of the Arab Spring is the US or any western force shows how rough ridin' stupid you are.  It shows that you can't think of brown people as independent actors (see how you do this for their governments too?).  Nice deflection to a personal attack again because you're dumbass is exposed and you have no answer.  But please tell me more how the Arab Spring was started by the west as a form of Neo colonialism.   


You're an ass who would rather make political hay while the French blood is still being spilt because, like many Republicans now, the safety of the US and our allies, the merit of our values are second, and the truth of what America is doing in the world are all secondary to attacking Obama. (First off there's an entirely other thread for Paris you dumbass, remember?  It's absolutely hypocritical for any Prog-Lib to talk about making political hay because literally anything that happens that's centered around Prog-Lib causes and Prog-Libs will be politicizing it within minutes.  The destabilization of Syria and terrorists infiltrating Europe and probably the U.S. as refugees is a direct result of U.S. and Western policy.  Obama's leadership on this issue is just laughable, his little microphone time from the G20 yesterday was a passionless, stammering barrage of nothingness.   He knows he and his administration are largely responsible for this mess getting out of hand.   Since Obama has taken over the ME and the periphery and now Europe are ablaze in war (and probably soon here), far beyond just Afghanistan and Iraq and few brush fire situations.  It's also not unthinkable to legitimately ask if it's been done on purpose) Yep the prog libs (nice continued use of the manufactured talking point you subscribe to) totally politicized everything first...except for you proving your point wrong by your own actions.  The "prog libs" were too busy crying their bleeding hearts to self serving pity while you were running your mouth talking about Obama.  So nice job falling over yourself here.  But to the rest of your blither, yes the west has mumped up.  But Daesh didn't explode until regional powers supplied them with money and arms. Daesh didn't explode until Maliki crap all over the Sunnis for years (nice job neo-cons installing that rough rider).  Obama isn't putting our boots back on the ground so he isn't leading.  Or he doesn't want our young men and women killed while our "allies" are directly supporting Daesh.  Or he doesn't want our people on the ground while regional powers are refusing to step up and lead and are instead waiting for America to put our asses on the line again.  But those are facts that don't support YOUR agenda so you IGNORE THEM.  But it's great you think this has been done on purpose.  I'm really glad you finally went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) here and said something like that.  But to educate you further, The ME is a problem by its own making along with the entire western bloc rough ridin' around entrenching every problem further.  Is the region that much worse when Reagan was in office and we were supporting Saddam and there was a decade long war killing hundreds of thousands with the regime, under US support, using weapons of mass destruction?  Or is it worse now or when we had 241 service members killed sleeping in their barracks?  Get some rough ridin' perspective, quit with this bullshit hyperbole, and quit thinking the ME was an oasis before Obama.  Or better yet, come up with a better conspiracy theory
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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2015, 03:45:23 AM »
Which one of you neo cons went to the Packers game?
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thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2015, 07:48:41 AM »
I've got 15000 posts on this board, I'm not going back through to show how long I've been talking about this stuff.

You're nuts if you think these "independent actors" gain any significant traction without a hidden hand, most would be crushed within a matter of days without outside assistance. 

I keep bringing up Libya because apparently in your world it didn't happen.  It is a direct correlation to Syria and there's absolutely no doubt that the US was using Libya to both recruit fighters and ship arms into Syria.  It is proof that the US is both directly and indirectly responsible for the ongoing war in Syria and thus allowing ISIS to strengthen.  Not to mention the fact that US burned Libya to the ground and then turned around and went home, turning the area into a Islamic terrorist safe haven.  How positively effed up is that in a post 9-11 world?  It's so bad that now other local actors are having to take action, like Egypt (but guess who still wants the Muslim Brotherhood controlling Egypt but then decided to sell those arms to Egypt anyway?).

Where do we know the attackers came from or at least why they did what they did?  That's right, Syria.

Was there any real movement to overthrow Assad 8 years ago?  No, there wasn't. 

The rest of your drivel is utterly irrelevant to Paris.  Most of it is either outright apologism or just rehashing what's been known for years.

If you can't handle the criticism of the most whack a doodle foreign policy administration in post WWII US history don't participate in the thread.

It's clear by how pissed off you get and how you constantly post irrelevant bullshit that you know deep in your silly little head where culpability lies.
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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2015, 09:03:45 AM »
You guys should really use the quote function the bbs already has so that others might at least consider reading the crap you're both spewing.  I mean I guess if the goal is to make it unreadable, you're doing pretty well
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« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2015, 09:21:23 AM »
I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now.  I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.


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« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2015, 09:24:20 AM »
I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now.  I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.

The last half of the new Common Sense podcast deals with that issue.  Worth a listen.
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« Reply #162 on: November 16, 2015, 09:26:49 AM »
this is such a sad time for the world. so many people posting ignorant hateful things everywhere. it really bums me out  :frown:

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« Reply #163 on: November 16, 2015, 09:27:08 AM »
I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now.  I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.

The last half of the new Common Sense podcast deals with that issue.  Worth a listen.
Yeah I heard it.  Didn't really have anything tangible on what we should do moving forward, other than list some things we should not do (overbearing [and unconsitutional] security at home -- whiping out MENA entirely, etc.).  I think he was speaking vaguely because of how fresh it was.


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« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2015, 09:34:35 AM »
Cooperate with Russia and Turkey and squish the green gooshit  out of these cockroaches, and then have protectorate zones like after WW 2. 

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« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2015, 09:49:10 AM »
I'd be curious to hear what Dax, FSD, KSUW think the US should do now.  I'm really not sure what the appropriate response is moving forward.

I would encourage the French to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and use the combined resources of the 28 NATO members to launch an air, sea, and ground attack in Syria and Iraq to eradicate ISIS and its infrastructure. Obama's "containment" bullshit failed. The United States should participate both through, and in cooperation with, NATO. I do not trust NATO to take full command of America's military involvement, but it's the easiest way to ensure that every member nation has some skin in the game.
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Re: thread to talk about obama being at fault for the paris terrorist attacks
« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2015, 09:52:33 AM »
this is such a sad time for the world. so many people posting ignorant hateful things everywhere. it really bums me out  :frown:

Saw someone seriously posting comments on my friend's fb post, "kill all muslims" and then going on in serious defense of that position for a long time.  Sickening.  :cry:
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« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2015, 09:59:28 AM »
Ok, I was looking up some details for you on Article 5, and it turns out that this is exactly what is being advocated by members of both parties.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/15/republican-lawmakers-urge-france-to-use-nato-powers-to-help-in-fight-against/

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/14/natos-turn-to-attack-paris-terrorist-isis/

It's past time to clean out these cockroaches. We should have pushed for this over a year ago, but the recent attacks in France make it much easier.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #168 on: November 16, 2015, 10:04:12 AM »
I tend to agree with the Article 5 stuff.  Gotta do something.  How should we handle The Bear in Syria?


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« Reply #169 on: November 16, 2015, 10:10:22 AM »
You guys should really use the quote function the bbs already has so that others might at least consider reading the crap you're both spewing.  I mean I guess if the goal is to make it unreadable, you're doing pretty well

its better than it was with that bright red font, so id say we are making progress

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« Reply #170 on: November 16, 2015, 10:13:14 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'

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« Reply #171 on: November 16, 2015, 10:15:29 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries.  Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).


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« Reply #172 on: November 16, 2015, 10:16:04 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'

Sounds correct, but you never know with the liberal media and whatnot
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« Reply #173 on: November 16, 2015, 10:28:27 AM »
What a totally eff'd up Administration.   We unleash the CIA, JSOC, Drones, F-15E's and other things to overthrow a regime that for all intent and purposes had disavowed support of terrorism, had long since disavowed WMD's, was actually fighting against AQ in the region on the ground and who posed no threat whatsoever to the United States or its allies.   Leaving behind a flaming wreck of a country that's now splintered between rival bad people and is a new expansion area for ISIS. 

But we're going to slow walk taking out ISIS when the U.S. is very responsible for the destabilization of the sitting government in the ISIS stronghold. 

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« Reply #174 on: November 16, 2015, 10:35:31 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isis is a group, not a country. It's not quite as easy as 'go bomb the mooslims!'
They've got some fairly well defined geographic boundaries in several countries.  Although, of course it being something other than a traditional state does complicate things (especially with regard to the sitting government in Syria).

That's the part that bothers me the most. This is a group of bad dudes, obviously, and they need to be stopped. But the 'bomb them all' mentality is frightening, especially when the anti-Muslim sentiment is so carefree and open in this country right now.

The inability of what seems to be at the very least a vocal majority to separate radical factions of a religion vs an entire religion is insane to me.