Post by: wabash909 on February 25, 2012, 05:46:02 PM
Four losses and counting this season at the supposed OOD? Seriously. What in the eff.
Post by: ednksu on February 25, 2012, 05:48:39 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 05:49:03 PM
Post by: kim carnes on February 25, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Yeah, that would be great, if the game was meaningless.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Yeah, that would be great, if the game was meaningless.
what would you say this loss means to us kim carnes
Post by: kim carnes on February 25, 2012, 05:54:21 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Yeah, that would be great, if the game was meaningless.
what would you say this loss means to us kim carnes
tourney seed
Post by: kstater on February 25, 2012, 05:54:58 PM
The difference between a 6 and a 7 seed. It's huge. :lol:if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Yeah, that would be great, if the game was meaningless.
what would you say this loss means to us kim carnes
Post by: chemhawk on February 25, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Baylor is a "great" team.
LMAO.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Baylor is a "great" team.
LMAO.
A) didn't mention baylor
B) what is KU's best win? It's either at baylor or MU at home in OT.
"LMAO" - chemhawk
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:00:32 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:13:05 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Baylor is a "great" team.
LMAO.
A) didn't mention baylor
B) what is KU's best win? It's either at baylor or MU at home in OT.
"LMAO" - chemhawk
you should feel happy if anything you dumbass. ku is a gem in that great february frank history.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 25, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
Post by: Berries and Cream on February 25, 2012, 06:27:49 PM
It may drop us to the 8 line, which would be disappointing after last week.
Frank's just lining up the upset special over Syracuse in Round Two to appease EMAWer Doug Gottlieb.
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:29:03 PM
It may drop us to the 8 line, which would be disappointing after last week.
But by now I hope we can realize that nothing is ever set in stone with this team. They could lose the next three or win the next four, and I wouldn't be ridiculously surprised either way.
Post by: kougar24 on February 25, 2012, 06:29:46 PM
Not that we'll have to worry about it. :gocho:
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 25, 2012, 06:29:53 PM
60 points
53 points
61 points
Even as bad as a shooting team as we are............... you cant shoot that bad and have these kinda points at home
Post by: wetwillie on February 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:31:11 PM
Does 8-10 get us in still? :ohno:
Yes
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:31:38 PM
Post by: wabash909 on February 25, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
I don't care about hallmarks as long as we have fun and go to the tornament. Is going to the tornament a hallmark?
Losing four times on our home court in league play isn't fun. And squeaking in to the NCAA tournament and being marginal at best at home isn't mutually exclusive.
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:37:56 PM
I don't care about hallmarks as long as we have fun and go to the tornament. Is going to the tornament a hallmark?
Losing four times on our home court in league play isn't fun. And squeaking in to the NCAA tournament and being marginal at best at home isn't mutually exclusive.
This season has been a blast. Did not try to decipher your second sentence.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 25, 2012, 06:42:28 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:44:09 PM
certain moments have been painful. But i figure when it's all over, i'll look back and enjoy this season. jmo.
Some will simply not be able too enjoy another season until we're better than KU.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:44:59 PM
certain moments have been painful. But i figure when it's all over, i'll look back and enjoy this season. jmo.
Some will simply not be able too enjoy another season until we're better than KU.
this is, unfortunately, a large amount of our fanbase
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2012, 06:45:14 PM
Sans the hawaii tourney and mu this team has been infuriating
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:45:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:46:54 PM
Anyone who takes pleasure in watching THIS team is masochistic.
Sans the hawaii tourney and mu this team has been infuriating
Baylor was fun. Watching Angel blossom and jo rejoin the team has been a lot of fun, too.
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 06:47:53 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 25, 2012, 06:48:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2012, 06:48:57 PM
What a tool
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
this season has been a lot of fun but losing at home as much as we have does kind of suck if you go to the games. i mean, if i lived in michigan or alameda or wherever i wouldn't care, but damn it if it isn't kind of annoying when you actually go.
See the stupid townie thread. YOU can make a difference, Rick.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:50:09 PM
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 06:50:18 PM
frank pulled a subdued pat knight and put it all on the players, again. which is great. i mean, if there's anything we've learned about frank it's that he can't get his point across in practice, only in games.
Post by: wetwillie on February 25, 2012, 06:51:23 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:51:48 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
frank pulled a subdued pat knight and put it all on the players, again. which is great. i mean, if there's anything we've learned about frank it's that he can't get his point across in practice, only in games.
but, putting a catzacker spin on it you should expect to lose all of your home games to quality opponents :dunno:
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 06:56:49 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
frank pulled a subdued pat knight and put it all on the players, again. which is great. i mean, if there's anything we've learned about frank it's that he can't get his point across in practice, only in games.
but, putting a catzacker spin on it you should expect to lose all of your home games to quality opponents :dunno:
it's unacceptable that we are in a position that I should have to expect these things. that's my spin.
Post by: p1k3 on February 25, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
frank pulled a subdued pat knight and put it all on the players, again. which is great. i mean, if there's anything we've learned about frank it's that he can't get his point across in practice, only in games.
but, putting a catzacker spin on it you should expect to lose all of your home games to quality opponents :dunno:
it's unacceptable that we are in a position that I should have to expect these things. that's my spin.
that was your spin on all the wins too
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
Getting swept by Fred and Lon is pathetic. No positive way to spin it.
agreed
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 07:00:09 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
If you look at the big picture the season is acceptable with room to spare. Yeah there are moments I haven't liked, but overall we should be happy with the results.
#teamostrich
Post by: p1k3 on February 25, 2012, 07:01:26 PM
Getting swept by Fred and Lon is pathetic. No positive way to spin it.
agreed
Everyone in here is giving Frank a free pass. This shouldn't be the case.
Post by: wabash909 on February 25, 2012, 07:01:51 PM
I don't care about hallmarks as long as we have fun and go to the tornament. Is going to the tornament a hallmark?
Losing four times on our home court in league play isn't fun. And squeaking in to the NCAA tournament and being marginal at best at home isn't mutually exclusive.
This season has been a blast. Did not try to decipher your second sentence.
Of course you didn't. But, it's not hard to understand.
Being marginal on our home court and going to the tournament isn't an either or scenario.
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 07:02:52 PM
I don't care about hallmarks as long as we have fun and go to the tornament. Is going to the tornament a hallmark?
Losing four times on our home court in league play isn't fun. And squeaking in to the NCAA tournament and being marginal at best at home isn't mutually exclusive.
This season has been a blast. Did not try to decipher your second sentence.
Of course you didn't. But, it's not hard to understand.
Being marginal on our home court and going to the tournament isn't an either or scenario.
Oh. Great point!
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 07:03:29 PM
Being marginal on our home court and going to the tournament isn't an either or scenario.
what on earth
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 07:04:08 PM
Getting swept by Fred and Lon is pathetic. No positive way to spin it.
agreed
Everyone in here is giving Frank a free pass. This shouldn't be the case.
I am giving him a discounted pass at the senior rate. No freebies here!
:armscrossed:
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 07:04:13 PM
Exactly. We're playing up to our expectations. If you want to criticize our expectations and play the "well maybe Frank should recruit better to raise expectations" card, that's fine. Rationally though, K-State's program is at a point where we should expect to go to the tourney every year, and finish first or second in the conference once every 3 or 4 years. We're doing it.trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
If you look at the big picture the season is acceptable with room to spare. Yeah there are moments I haven't liked, but overall we should be happy with the results.
#teamostrich
Our team is going to the tournament in a rebuilding year.
Post by: wabash909 on February 25, 2012, 07:07:53 PM
I don't care about hallmarks as long as we have fun and go to the tornament. Is going to the tornament a hallmark?
Losing four times on our home court in league play isn't fun. And squeaking in to the NCAA tournament and being marginal at best at home isn't mutually exclusive.
This season has been a blast. Did not try to decipher your second sentence.
Of course you didn't. But, it's not hard to understand.
Being marginal on our home court and going to the tournament isn't an either or scenario.
Oh. Great point!
Minimizing the value of protecting your home court in league play is very edgy and contrarian! :thumbs:
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 07:09:05 PM
I don't care about hallmarks as long as we have fun and go to the tornament. Is going to the tornament a hallmark?
Losing four times on our home court in league play isn't fun. And squeaking in to the NCAA tournament and being marginal at best at home isn't mutually exclusive.
This season has been a blast. Did not try to decipher your second sentence.
Of course you didn't. But, it's not hard to understand.
Being marginal on our home court and going to the tournament isn't an either or scenario.
Oh. Great point!
Minimizing the value of protecting your home court in league play is very edgy and contrarian! :thumbs:
what on earth
Post by: Berries and Cream on February 25, 2012, 07:09:16 PM
Fun season checklist:
Introduction of new adorable players? Check.
Late season big wins/Frankruary? Check.
NCAA tournament excitement? Likely.
Building hope for next season? Check.
Hard to complain, but maybe that's just me.
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
If you look at the big picture the season is acceptable with room to spare. Yeah there are moments I haven't liked, but overall we should be happy with the results.
#teamostrich
we're not at the finish line yet; the assumption that we're in is mind boggling considering the bi-polar nature of this team. and quite honestly, to see what this season has been so far it's difficult to not be completely pissed about what it could have been had frank done things differently.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 07:14:05 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 07:19:19 PM
Have fun.
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 07:20:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 07:20:39 PM
and quite honestly, to see what this season has been so far it's difficult to not be completely pissed about what it could have been had frank done things differently.
Pretty much every team can say this about their coach and season every season.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
oh jesus rough ridin' christ. anymore Life's Little Instructions?
xanax with the lows, yayo with the highs
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 07:23:25 PM
Yeah. That.oh jesus rough ridin' christ. anymore Life's Little Instructions?
xanax with the lows, yayo with the highs
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
and quite honestly, to see what this season has been so far it's difficult to not be completely pissed about what it could have been had frank done things differently.
Pretty much every team can say this about their coach and season every season.
pretty much every team can say it has a starter that sucks. i dunno. it's a messageboard.
Post by: p1k3 on February 25, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on February 25, 2012, 07:26:30 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Baylor is a "great" team.
LMAO.
A) didn't mention baylor
B) what is KU's best win? It's either at baylor or MU at home in OT.
"LMAO" - chemhawk
Georgetown on a neutral court and Ohio State were pretty good wins.
:dunno:
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 07:27:07 PM
the highs arent nearly as fun when you get swept by a dog crap OU team and an all right ISU.
great point p1obviousdumbassk3
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 07:28:15 PM
if anything, a hallmark of a frank martin coached team would be dominating great teams in february and losing to ISU at home in a meaningless game at the end of the season. honestly, will take.
Baylor is a "great" team.
LMAO.
A) didn't mention baylor
B) what is KU's best win? It's either at baylor or MU at home in OT.
"LMAO" - chemhawk
Georgetown on a neutral court and Ohio State were pretty good wins.
:dunno:
yes, but gt on a neutral and osu without their best player at home are far below the other two
"LMAO" - chemhawk
Post by: sys on February 25, 2012, 07:44:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2012, 07:48:18 PM
our crowd deserves these losses, i don't feel a bit sorry for them.
Confirmed. I'd say 20-30% of the people sitting close to me had an interest in the basketball game today.
Post by: p1k3 on February 25, 2012, 07:53:08 PM
Post by: sys on February 25, 2012, 07:54:51 PM
Blame the crowd, the townies :blah: . I cant imagine goEMAW if LHC Bill Snyder lost games like these. Oh man.
can you imagine if snyder were ever to beat a top 10 team? man, oh man.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
The mental lapses, the inability to get a shot inside 4 minutes, and the fact the team goes brain dead for not less than ten minutes of every game is inexcusable. It's okay to adjust expectations based on what you see, it's utturly unforgivable to lose the way we've lost 6+ times this season.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2012, 08:00:56 PM
Blame the crowd, the townies :blah: . I cant imagine goEMAW if LHC Bill Snyder lost games like these. Oh man.
Question, have you ever been on the football board?
Post by: wabash909 on February 25, 2012, 08:02:07 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
If you look at the big picture the season is acceptable with room to spare. Yeah there are moments I haven't liked, but overall we should be happy with the results.
#teamostrich
we're not at the finish line yet; the assumption that we're in is mind boggling considering the bi-polar nature of this team. and quite honestly, to see what this season has been so far it's difficult to not be completely pissed about what it could have been had frank done things differently.
All the underachievement in winnable games at home is perfectly acceptable just as long as we make the tournament.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2012, 08:02:47 PM
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
Post by: JKEYS on February 25, 2012, 08:04:37 PM
I'm 87% sure the apologists in this thread don't watch our games.
The mental lapses, the inability to get a shot inside 4 minutes, and the fact the team goes brain dead for not less than ten minutes of every game is inexcusable. It's okay to adjust expectations based on what you see, it's utturly unforgivable to lose the way we've lost 6+ times this season.
How many times did we lose games like this with Wooly and Tan Tom? How many times were never in meaningful games to begin with?
...
Keep that in mind. So many forget where we came from not long ago.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2012, 08:07:27 PM
I'm 87% sure the apologists in this thread don't watch our games.
The mental lapses, the inability to get a shot inside 4 minutes, and the fact the team goes brain dead for not less than ten minutes of every game is inexcusable. It's okay to adjust expectations based on what you see, it's utturly unforgivable to lose the way we've lost 6+ times this season.
How many times did we lose games like this with Wooly and Tan Tom? How many times were never in meaningful games to begin with?
...
Keep that in mind. So many forget where we came from not long ago.
Masochist
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 08:07:58 PM
middling conference team, a couple of decent wins....
dax, you say "decent wins". Is there a higher level from "decent" or is that the top? as a followup, what would have been a win on the higher level if it exists?
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 08:09:39 PM
Look at the too cool for school crowd trying to downplay everything.
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
jesus christ, dax. this is nothing like kruger. we return everyone but jamar. Recruiting has been improving. We'll be much better next year.
Post by: JKEYS on February 25, 2012, 08:10:59 PM
Look at the too cool for school crowd trying to downplay everything.
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
Have not seen many of these yet.
Don't think we will either :dunno: I think recruting and play, in general, is moving in the right direction.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
Look at the too cool for school crowd trying to downplay everything.
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
jesus christ, dax. this is nothing like kruger. we return everyone but jamar. Recruiting has been improving. We'll be much better next year.
Did we recruit a guard that can shoot and dribble I don't know about?
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 08:12:59 PM
lol you know he means beating ku (he's obsessed with them you know)middling conference team, a couple of decent wins....
dax, you say "decent wins". Is there a higher level from "decent" or is that the top? as a followup, what would have been a win on the higher level if it exists?
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
Look at the too cool for school crowd trying to downplay everything.
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
Have not seen many of these yet.
Don't think we will either :dunno: I think recruting and play, in general, is moving in the right direction.
but what about that turnover @ mu!??? you're giving that guy a free pass. :curse:
Look at the too cool for school crowd trying to downplay everything.
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
jesus christ, dax. this is nothing like kruger. we return everyone but jamar. Recruiting has been improving. We'll be much better next year.
Did we recruit a guard that can shoot and dribble I don't know about?
angel
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 08:13:41 PM
Post by: JKEYS on February 25, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
Look at the too cool for school crowd trying to downplay everything.
Are we getting Kruger'd . . . middling conference team, a couple of decent wins, perplexing losses, mediocre talent, first round NCAA tourney exits.
Have not seen many of these yet.
Don't think we will either :dunno: I think recruting and play, in general, is moving in the right direction.
but what about that turnover @ mu!??? you're giving that guy a free pass. :curse:
LOL. Feels like alot of people see it that way. Curious how many are the same ones who didn't love Jake until his Junior year...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2012, 08:20:43 PM
Sorry Too Cool for Schoolers.
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 25, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
16-8 in OOD last 3 yrs:......and we wanna act like a top 25 program
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
I don't consider beating Baylor anything beyond a decent win.
Sorry Too Cool for Schoolers.
ok.....road win at the #9 team not anything beyond decent. fine. any comment on the road win at the #3 team?
EDIT: you rough ridin' idiot?
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 08:26:09 PM
I don't consider the Grand Canyon anything beyond a decent hole in the ground
Sorry Too Cool for schoolers.
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 08:27:12 PM
Yeah. I agree.I don't consider beating Baylor anything beyond a decent win.
Sorry Too Cool for Schoolers.
ok.....road win at the #9 team not anything beyond decent. fine. any comment on the road win at the #3 team?
EDIT: you rough ridin' idiot?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
The Missouri win was good . . . look at the Too Cool for Schoolers gettin all mad.
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 08:28:42 PM
ThanksRustyTuck
I will acknowledge that Manhattan (nyc) is OK for an island . . . look at the Too Cool for Schoolers gettin all mad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2012, 08:29:39 PM
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 08:35:35 PM
we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @buno you wouldn't. we get the six wins and then you would complain about the lack of a marquee win and how that is going to cost us in the long run
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 08:38:11 PM
we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @buno you wouldn't. we get the six wins and then you would complain about the lack of a marquee win and how that is going to cost us in the long run
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
you can't triple stamp a double stamp.
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 08:38:55 PM
the hell you can'twe have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @buno you wouldn't. we get the six wins and then you would complain about the lack of a marquee win and how that is going to cost us in the long run
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
you can't triple stamp a double stamp.
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 08:39:04 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @bu
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
I feel confident you don't mean that
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2012, 08:40:10 PM
Post by: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 08:43:14 PM
we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @bu
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
I feel confident you don't mean that
yeah, the two mu games would be hard to give up. maybe see if I could swindle my way into giving up the @ BU game and getting back the two OU losses.
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 08:43:54 PM
That's not allowed, buster.we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @bu
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
I feel confident you don't mean that
yeah, the two mu games would be hard to give up. maybe see if I could swindle my way into giving up the @ BU game and getting back the two OU losses.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 08:50:23 PM
That's not allowed, buster.we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @bu
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
I feel confident you don't mean that
yeah, the two mu games would be hard to give up. maybe see if I could swindle my way into giving up the @ BU game and getting back the two OU losses.
THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT ALLOWED BUSTER! (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FThemes%2Fsmfone_multicolour%2Fimages%2Fpost%2Fangry.gif&hash=f2d21deb46abd882229adf702ddf74a01d3ac847)
Post by: SdK on February 25, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
That's not allowed, buster.we have 3 really good wins: mu, @mu, @bu
we have 2 really bad losses: ou, @ou
we should have won: WVU, BU, @ ISU, ISU.
I'd trade the 6 losses for the 3 wins.
I feel confident you don't mean that
yeah, the two mu games would be hard to give up. maybe see if I could swindle my way into giving up the @ BU game and getting back the two OU losses.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:08:12 PM
Ok ok. I trade the Virginia Tech, Long Beach, and @ Tech wins for the @ KU, both ISU and OU games, and we get to trade Will Spradling for Dwayne Wade.
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Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
what would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
what would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
Women's golf program, our last 2 touchdowns in Lawrence, Frank's bow tie, 3 cases of rev honey, and Catzacker
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:17:55 PM
or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 09:18:47 PM
Sauce?or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:19:27 PM
Sauce?or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
spicy garlic
Post by: CHONGS on February 25, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
well do you base your entire self-worth on having the fellow patrons there impressed with k-state?or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
well do you base your entire self-worth on having the fellow patrons there impressed with k-state?or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
the manager knows my first name and turns the ksu game on the audio if creighton or nu aren't playing....so SOME of my self-worth. SOME
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 09:21:41 PM
Hell yeah, SteveDave.Sauce?
I watched todays game at bww
spicy garlic
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2012, 09:23:41 PM
Sauce?or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
spicy garlic
Wedges?
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:27:24 PM
Sauce?or whatever college teams his "friends" at bww or family root forwhat would I have to trade for two KU wins? That's really all i care about.
I have a feeling dax would trade the entire non-con and most of the non-ku football wins
I watched todays game at bww
spicy garlic
Wedges?
nope, just 8 boneless and lucky bucket thank you very much
Post by: OregonSmock on February 25, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
8 spicy garlic, 8 asian zing (traditional), regular potato wedges, a boat o' celery/carrots, and ranch. Paradise.Asian zing is unbelievably good. I usually rotate it between that, spicy garlic, and hot bbq.
:love: :love: :love:
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:48:22 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 09:49:41 PM
Very emasculating.
Post by: sys on February 25, 2012, 09:50:16 PM
8 spicy garlic, 8 asian zing (traditional), regular potato wedges, a boat o' celery/carrots, and ranch. Paradise.
gula. and here we are in lent.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:51:57 PM
You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
Post by: OregonSmock on February 25, 2012, 09:56:27 PM
You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
I just think the traditional taste better. Not a big fan of the processed breaded stuff on the boneless.
:dunno:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 25, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
mrs. dave got the asian zing salad. had orange slices on it. I'm pretty sure everyone in the place was looking at her and rolling their eyes. I was.
total the animal move.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:59:01 PM
You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
I just think the traditional taste better. Not a big fan of the processed breaded stuff on the boneless.
:dunno:
that's cool, that's cool :thumbs:
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 09:59:49 PM
mrs. dave got the asian zing salad. had orange slices on it. I'm pretty sure everyone in the place was looking at her and rolling their eyes. I was.
total the animal move.
it really was.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 25, 2012, 10:01:47 PM
mrs. dave got the asian zing salad. had orange slices on it. I'm pretty sure everyone in the place was looking at her and rolling their eyes. I was.
total the animal move.
it really was.
my wife ordered fajitas a few weeks ago and i rolled my eyes so hard that the right one flew out of my head and rolled onto the floor. jesus christ i said.
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
Thanks, SD. Makes me feel a little bit better.You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
I just think the traditional taste better. Not a big fan of the processed breaded stuff on the boneless.
:dunno:
that's cool, that's cool :thumbs:
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 10:05:59 PM
You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
http://lifehacker.com/5880851/eat-a-chicken-wing-with-one-hand
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2012, 10:07:57 PM
You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
http://lifehacker.com/5880851/eat-a-chicken-wing-with-one-hand
love lifehacker
Post by: jtksu on February 25, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 07:55:32 AM
Hey, ku might be a little down, and the conference might be a little weaker next year . . . Too Cool for Schoolers, "Awesome, we'll take 6th place thank you"
Post by: wetwillie on February 26, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 09:25:31 AM
:thumbs:
Post by: Cire on February 26, 2012, 09:30:06 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 09:35:58 AM
You know what's the worst? When you order boneless and some macho guy tries to bigtime you by ordering traditionals.
Very emasculating.
not at all. I don't have time for bones. get your hands disgusting all you want bro. nobody is judging.....yeah, they are. judging your disgusting hands and face.
I just think the traditional taste better. Not a big fan of the processed breaded stuff on the boneless.
:dunno:
Yeah, chicken nuggets with sauce, no thanks
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2012, 09:47:27 AM
I am going to garbage Hooters tonight for an NBA All Star party. yuck
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 09:52:02 AM
I am going to garbage Hooters tonight for an NBA All Star party. yuck:barf:
everything about hooters is the worst, Ts&Ps limestone
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
I am going to garbage Hooters tonight for an NBA All Star party. yuck:barf:
everything about hooters is the worst, Ts&Ps limestone
Only reason I tolerate it is because I was put in charge of the annual All Star party we have for our NBA fantassy league and I tried to book it at Whispers but guess what? Whispers is closed on Sundays. Also, there will be some pretty elite members of the KC radio media there. Not BITB elite but close.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 10:49:28 AM
zacker: it would be (more comfortable? better? more satisfying? less frustrating?) to have a team that got no elite top 50 wins, but dominated the <100 rpi
fake SD: people don't watch this team! I watch this team and boy is it frustrating to watch a team when it loses! Look moron, stfu about symptoms. You don't have anything interesting to say and are completely at a loss that the rest of the morons and rational people are talking disease.
dax: man, I wish there were more people willing to melt down with me. . . . . Score another one for the gofrankapologistpolicestate. . . .
Yes, this team is completely frustrating to watch. I had to give up Peggy Po's and Nancy Neg's because the team is impregnable to analysis or evaluation. The most profound thing anyone has observed about the team is sys absolutely nailing Angel's potential. It seemed likely to me that Angel was gone and this season was completely lost for him, and perhaps for everyone. Instead, he has responded, JO has responded and now they are very fun to watch. Jamar and Rodney have been frustrating, Will has been frustrating. The entire team is frustrating if you are unable to see the forrest amidst the trees.
As far as expectations go, I don't think any rational fan thought this was a team that was destined to win the league. I also can point out frustrating losses, but I don't know the purpose of such an exercise outside of a primal scream about the injustice of the world. I will be disappointed and outraged if this is not a tournament team. I will be devastated if we lose our first round matchup. The o/u for season success is a Sweet 16. Just do the world a favor and stfu down the stretch, morons. You and everyone else will be better off for it.
Post by: catzacker on February 26, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
I really have a hard time digesting the complete cow turd talking points being peddled here.
zacker: it would be (more comfortable? better? more satisfying? less frustrating?) to have a team that got no elite top 50 wins, but dominated the <100 rpi
it would be a better representation of what this team is. but it wouldn't mean no top 50 wins (bama, lb st., baylor, isux2).
it's not that I can't see the forrest amid the trees, it's actually that I see the forrest and it's unimpressive/meh.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 11:20:43 AM
I really have a hard time digesting the complete cow turd talking points being peddled here.
zacker: it would be (more comfortable? better? more satisfying? less frustrating?) to have a team that got no elite top 50 wins, but dominated the <100 rpi
it would be a better representation of what this team is.
wtf does that even mean?
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 11:28:37 AM
I really have a hard time digesting the complete cow turd talking points being peddled here.
zacker: it would be (more comfortable? better? more satisfying? less frustrating?) to have a team that got no elite top 50 wins, but dominated the <100 rpi
it would be a better representation of what this team is.
wtf does that even mean?
Well, zacker believes this team is incapable of beating elite competition based on his angry eye test, so that means they shouldn't beat them. When they do it conflicts with his worldview and causes internal tension. Not healthy. If only this team beat only teams that zacker thought we were better than and lost to all the teams that zacker though were better than us then he'd be able to look at himself in the mirror. Unfortunately, the precarious balance of zacker's universe is perpetually on tilt. Fire Frank.
Post by: OregonSmock on February 26, 2012, 12:08:24 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Post by: sys on February 26, 2012, 12:33:37 PM
K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't. I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.
it's because our crowd sucks, oregonhawk. as a ku fan i'm sure that isn't frustrating to you because you believe it's always horrible, except for ku games. but it's actually been quite good for the last several years, so it is endlessly frustrating to see our crowd regress even as our team, coach and program continue to improve and solidify themselves.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't. I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.
it's because our crowd sucks, oregonhawk. as a ku fan i'm sure that isn't frustrating to you because you believe it's always horrible, except for ku games. but it's actually been quite good for the last several years, so it is endlessly frustrating to see our crowd regress even as our team, coach and program continue to improve and solidify themselves.
This is part of it. It isn't all of it. Either way this season is not representative of some trend. All the butthurt is backwards looking revisionist history of this season's expectations. I agree this season could've exceeded expectations, I'm disappointed it didn't, but the summersaults being done by dax and co. to reiterate just how terrible this team really is and how everyone just isn't asking enough of them is much more annoying than this year's results.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 12:43:46 PM
Why win those games, when 5th place is available.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
I know expecting to beat teams like OU, and ISU at home is asking a lot . . . so best to dumb it down as much as possible.
Why win those games, when 5th place is available.
Will you be happy with 10-8?
Post by: sys on February 26, 2012, 12:48:34 PM
the somersaults being done by dax and co. to reiterate just how terrible this team really is and how everyone just isn't asking enough of them is much more annoying than this year's results.
dax is always more annoying that reality. that's his thing, making annoying observations on a heightened perception of reality.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 01:00:31 PM
K-State Basketball: We're improving, but don't expect too much, we can't handle it.
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 26, 2012, 01:25:29 PM
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 01:43:32 PM
If K-State could just protect your homecourt, you'd be at 12-4 in the league with a chance at a 2 or 3 seed. Not sure why people are so content to get beat at home by the OU and Iowa State's of the world. Winning at Mizzou and at Baylor is completely independent from winning at home. K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't. I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.
Pretending to be indifferent toward the pattern of losing winnable conference games on our home court is cute and edgy.
Sure, as a grape it is frustrating, but just as long as we meet pre-season expectations, it's good enough.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2012, 01:49:29 PM
If K-State could just protect your homecourt, you'd be at 12-4 in the league with a chance at a 2 or 3 seed. Not sure why people are so content to get beat at home by the OU and Iowa State's of the world. Winning at Mizzou and at Baylor is completely independent from winning at home. K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't. I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.
This kind of in depth analysis is priceless.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
If K-State could just protect your homecourt, you'd be at 12-4 in the league with a chance at a 2 or 3 seed. Not sure why people are so content to get beat at home by the OU and Iowa State's of the world. Winning at Mizzou and at Baylor is completely independent from winning at home. K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't. I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.
This kind of in depth analysis is priceless.
hopefully beems can be a contributor on the new, more colorful premium forum. Because people should have to pay for this.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: catzacker on February 26, 2012, 01:54:53 PM
I really have a hard time digesting the complete cow turd talking points being peddled here.
zacker: it would be (more comfortable? better? more satisfying? less frustrating?) to have a team that got no elite top 50 wins, but dominated the <100 rpi
it would be a better representation of what this team is.
wtf does that even mean?
Well, zacker believes this team is incapable of beating elite competition based on his angry eye test, so that means they shouldn't beat them. When they do it conflicts with his worldview and causes internal tension. Not healthy. If only this team beat only teams that zacker thought we were better than and lost to all the teams that zacker though were better than us then he'd be able to look at himself in the mirror. Unfortunately, the precarious balance of zacker's universe is perpetually on tilt. Fire Frank.
on a scale of 1 to 10, what is this team? my point is that those elite wins give the perception/hope/whatever that this team is a 8/9, losses to OU and home losses in winable games against baylor and isu makes this team a 4/5. Average it out and we're a 6/7. Which is what this team is. Slightly above average.
further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way. we didn't have to be slightly above average. we don't have to be average. It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 02:01:35 PM
further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way. we didn't have to be slightly above average. we don't have to be average. It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 26, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 02:10:10 PM
It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
I understand how to fire a coach. Who should be JFC'n Frank and what would be the expected result?
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 02:20:41 PM
Whatever level of achievement they set forth before the season starts, that's the bar for expectations we need to follow.
So when we finish sixth this year that's perfectly acceptable, even though we had a golden opportunity to be fourth or higher had we not sh*t the bed at home in multiple games we were favored in.
Next year, it will be okay to critique the underachievement though, because we'll probably be picked to finish much higher and losing games at home against marginal opponents we are favored against simply won't be tolerated under those circumstances.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 02:25:03 PM
I just want to be as good as the pre-season writers say we're going to be.
Whatever level of achievement they set forth before the season starts, that's the bar for expectations we need to follow.
So when we finish sixth this year that's perfectly acceptable, even though we had a golden opportunity to be fourth or higher had we not sh*t the bed at home in multiple games we were favored in.
Next year, it will be okay to critique the underachievement though, because we'll probably be picked to finish much higher and losing games at home against marginal opponents we are favored against simply won't be tolerated under those circumstances.
^needed an edgy reference
Post by: sys on February 26, 2012, 02:26:21 PM
I understand how to fire a coach. Who should be JFC'n Frank and what would be the expected result?
what a great post.
Post by: catzacker on February 26, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way. we didn't have to be slightly above average. we don't have to be average. It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.
not 16-0. maybe 11-5. I know, I know. Crazy talk.
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
I just want to be as good as the pre-season writers say we're going to be.
Whatever level of achievement they set forth before the season starts, that's the bar for expectations we need to follow.
So when we finish sixth this year that's perfectly acceptable, even though we had a golden opportunity to be fourth or higher had we not sh*t the bed at home in multiple games we were favored in.
Next year, it will be okay to critique the underachievement though, because we'll probably be picked to finish much higher and losing games at home against marginal opponents we are favored against simply won't be tolerated under those circumstances.
^needed an edgy reference
Damn, good catch!
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 02:37:06 PM
further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way. we didn't have to be slightly above average. we don't have to be average. It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.
not 16-0. maybe 11-5. I know, I know. Crazy talk.
Easy, Zacker.
We're not Iowa State.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 02:37:29 PM
further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way. we didn't have to be slightly above average. we don't have to be average. It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.
not 16-0. maybe 11-5. I know, I know. Crazy talk.
Also could have easily been 5-11. :dunno:
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way. we didn't have to be slightly above average. we don't have to be average. It's not "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".
we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.
not 16-0. maybe 11-5. I know, I know. Crazy talk.
So your point boils down to we lost some games we shouldn't have and man would've been awesome had we won those?
Well, you just got me on board. #team13-5
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 02:50:12 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 03:17:16 PM
K-State Basketball: Hey we were picked 8th afterall.
dax Basketball: my expectations will be just above whatever is actually achieved.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 03:25:53 PM
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 03:37:11 PM
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 03:39:27 PM
Do better.
:lol:
Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want. It's not going to change anything. You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success.
It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.
What do you want to do?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 03:49:47 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 03:51:19 PM
I don't know, when I can explain why when Shane plays well and Sprads doesn't, Sprads plays twice as long . . . but that's Frank.
Yeah, that sucked. Fire Frank?
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
Intriguing...
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 04:31:14 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
Why not just do it based on all games we are favored/not favored?
Games we won when not favored (6):
@VT
Bama
LBSU
MU
@BU
@MU
Games we lost when favored (5):
WVU
BU
@OU
OU
ISU
Would Frank get a bonus? Or would you just change the criteria every year so you guarantee a fine?
Post by: catzacker on February 26, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
Yeah, I want him fired you dumbfucks.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 04:38:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 04:40:29 PM
Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.
what is extreme about looking at the big picture and saying the program as a whole is OK, while acknowledging the record could be better? Seems pretty tame and level headed to me.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
Yeah, I want him fired you dumbfucks.
Well, hypothetically, let's imagine a world where your two options are to keep Frank with all of his Frank-ness, good and bad, OR fire him.
I mean, I know in the real world there's a big middle ground between keeping him and firing him, but for the sake of this thread, let's say you have to pick one.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 04:41:48 PM
Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.
what is extreme about looking at the big picture and saying the program as a whole OK, while acknowledging the record could be better? Seems pretty tame and level headed to me.
The only way that position could get more extreme is if it was made while base jumping and sucking down a Mountain Dew.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.
what is extreme about looking at the big picture and saying the program as a whole OK, while acknowledging the record could be better? Seems pretty tame and level headed to me.
Saying we want Frank fired, or trading 2 wins over ku etc. etc.
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 05:01:01 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
My point is that your expectations aren't especially unreasonable - I think they're a little high but not "extremely" off. So, what do you want do to about it now that they haven't been met?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
My point is that your expectations aren't especially unreasonable - I think they're a little high but not "extremely" off. So, what do you want do to about it now that they haven't been met?
Install a "Do Better" meter in Franks office with a control system in Currie's office.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 05:10:27 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
My point is that your expectations aren't especially unreasonable - I think they're a little high but not "extremely" off. So, what do you want do to about it now that they haven't been met?
Install a "Do Better" meter in Franks office with a control system in Currie's office.
OK, good talk.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 26, 2012, 05:18:17 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.
Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 05:21:43 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.
Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?
You make that sound difficult; I'm sure there's a meter with a control system to get that timed out properly.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 26, 2012, 05:30:20 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.
Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?
You make that sound difficult; I'm sure there's a meter with a control system to get that timed out properly.
Well, you could just bring in a crap ton of JuCos that year but I really don't think that will solve anything :dunno:
Post by: felix rex on February 26, 2012, 05:32:16 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.
Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?
You make that sound difficult; I'm sure there's a meter with a control system to get that timed out properly.
I mean, it's just a matter of paying attention to any year when KU's supposed to be good and then redshirting all our good upperclassmen that year. How hard is that?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 05:36:53 PM
Why is that hard?
Oh wait, you can only bring up the recruiting misses in a particular context.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 26, 2012, 05:50:20 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on February 26, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
Do better.
:lol:
Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want. It's not going to change anything. You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success.
It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.
What do you want to do?
Recruit players who can shoot above 26% in Big 12 play?
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 05:58:46 PM
The addition of a plucky Trim to this thread is a nice shot in the arm. Frankly without him is the same old people making the same old tired arguments from the last three years. Surprised most aren't bored with it yet.
This year the complaints are louder than last year, even though we under achieved more last year. It's because we didn't beat KU this year.
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 26, 2012, 06:00:32 PM
The addition of a plucky Trim to this thread is a nice shot in the arm. Frankly without him is the same old people making the same old tired arguments from the last three years. Surprised most aren't bored with it yet.
This year the complaints are louder than last year, even though we under achieved more last year. It's because we didn't beat KU, Iowa State, or rough ridin' Oklahoma this year.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 06:03:44 PM
Do better.
:lol:
Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want. It's not going to change anything. You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success.
It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.
What do you want to do?
Recruit players who can shoot above 26% in Big 12 play?
None of us on the board recruit (officially). I'm afraid we're stuck with firing or not.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 06:04:09 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
Why should we expect MORE than what has been accomplished in Frank's 5 seasons? I mean other than breaking ground on a practice facility.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 06:14:58 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
The stick you want to beat Frank with is our program does not favorably compare to Okie State and ISU? I mean. Ok. Is there any other point you to get on the record while you are flailing around like a moron?
Post by: 8manpick on February 26, 2012, 06:33:43 PM
P.S: Is it too late for Hoskins to come back and use his medical redshirt year?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 26, 2012, 06:39:42 PM
The addition of a plucky Trim to this thread is a nice shot in the arm. Frankly without him is the same old people making the same old tired arguments from the last three years. Surprised most aren't bored with it yet.
This year the complaints are louder than last year, even though we under achieved more last year. It's because we didn't beat KU, Iowa State, or rough ridin' Oklahoma this year.
we lost to OSU, Texas A&M and Colorado, 3 times last year, bigwillie20.
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 26, 2012, 06:41:30 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on February 26, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
Do better.
:lol:
Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want. It's not going to change anything. You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success.
It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.
What do you want to do?
Recruit players who can shoot above 26% in Big 12 play?
None of us on the board recruit (officially). I'm afraid we're stuck with firing or not.
Keep Frank. Fire some of his worthless assistants.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
However, I also get the frustration, because this will be Frank's worst home record of his tenure. Just because we got a couple road wins we didn't expect doesn't excuse being 4-4 at home in league games to me. Its frustrating to lose games to teams at the same level or worse than us at home and I'm fine with fans being a bit upset with that. That doesn't mean you fire the coach (I'm good with keeping Frank for a long time right now) and I don't have the answer to how to fix it, but even with a transition year I didn't expect to step back from going 16-1 (7-1) at home last year to finishing 12-4 (5-4) this year. Its highly likely its just an anomoly year (not that we'll be dominant at home, but we should go 7-2 at home in league games minimum), but it doesn't make it any less frustrating.
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 07:06:45 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
The stick you want to beat Frank with is our program does not favorably compare to Okie State and ISU? I mean. Ok. Is there any other point you to get on the record while you are flailing around like a moron?
Oh God, don't even go there.
I love Frank. I think he is a very good coach, who has the potential to be one of the best in school history. The program is in great shape.
We've lost four times at home this season, two of the losses were completely inexplicable and I'm not going to casually dismiss them as meaningless. It's disconcerting. Frank has been a master at motivating our team to compete at a high level on the road, I'd simply like to see more consistency at home and I'd like to restore our home court advantage. If we're going to take the next step as a program, it has to happen and I don't think that's a controversial statement.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2012, 07:16:44 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
The stick you want to beat Frank with is our program does not favorably compare to Okie State and ISU? I mean. Ok. Is there any other point you to get on the record while you are flailing around like a moron?
Oh God, don't even go there.
I love Frank. I think he is a very good coach, who has the potential to be one of the best in school history. The program is in great shape.
We've lost four times at home this season, two of the losses were completely inexplicable. Frank has been a master at motivating our team to compete at a high level on the road, I'd simply like to see more consistency at home and I'd like to restore our home court advantage. If we're going to take the next step as a program, it has to happen and I don't think that's a controversial statement.
Me too.
Step 1: Tell the pep band to gtfo
Step 2: Turn the pep band area into a stage for DJamer's
Step 3: No more t-shirt toss
Step 4: Start having the marketing dept. spend money on events/contests give aways while students stand in line for the game/wait in the arena not during every timeout/stoppage
Step 5: Give Frank a conference .850+ home win bonus
Step 6: Everyone stfu
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 07:18:09 PM
The top 2 teams in the conference (top 5 teams in the country) are 15-1 (we're the 1 :gocho:). Weirdo ISU is also 7-1. Loser Tech is 1-7.
The only school that is drastically better at home is OSU - 6-2 (we're 1 of the 2 :gocho:) vs. 1-7.
We are the most EXTREME home/road anomaly team (4-4 in each), but it seems like home games aren't as big of an advantage this year as normal. Certainly not "impossible to win on the road in this league."
I'll await _FAN who doesn't go by how things "seem" to blast me with stats from earlier years to prove I didn't research this at all.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 07:24:32 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2012, 07:26:45 PM
In conference, home teams are only winning 61% of their games.
The top 2 teams in the conference (top 5 teams in the country) are 15-1 (we're the 1 :gocho:). Weirdo ISU is also 7-1. Loser Tech is 1-7.
The only school that is drastically better at home is OSU - 6-2 (we're 1 of the 2 :gocho:) vs. 1-7.
We are the most EXTREME home/road anomaly team (4-4 in each), but it seems like home games aren't as big of an advantage this year as normal. Certainly not "impossible to win on the road in this league."
I'll await _FAN who doesn't go by how things "seem" to blast me with stats from earlier years to prove I didn't research this at all.
No, that is a good point for this season, but it doesn't make losing at home any less frustrating to me. And really its just two games, if we win the OU and ISU home games it changes the perception immensely. Its also another game where we had it tied late and had opportunities to win it and managed to lose. I don't mean to imply that Frank's teams won every one of those games in past years because they didn't, but we seemed to finish close games a lot better in previous years than we are this year. This team has had incredible high points, but some of the losses are just extremely frustrating.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 07:29:11 PM
No, that is a good point for this season, but it doesn't make losing at home any less frustrating to me. And really its just two games, if we win the OU and ISU home games it changes the perception immensely. Its also another game where we had it tied late and had opportunities to win it and managed to lose. I don't mean to imply that Frank's teams won every one of those games in past years because they didn't, but we seemed to finish close games a lot better in previous years than we are this year. This team has had incredible high points, but some of the losses are just extremely frustrating.
Sure, and you'd think we'd have better success at pulling out close games at home, except it hasn't seemed to make a difference. Just like home/away hasn't made a difference in pulling out wins as underdogs.
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2012, 07:33:23 PM
In '09-'10, which was fun, we were 5-3 at home and 6-2 on the road.
The OSU and ISU losses were also frustrating that year, but we made up for it with better road wins and a better OOC. We still ended up with a 2 seed because of that. I'm not asking for that, but it would've been nice to be a 5/6 seed than and 8/9. I'm still hopeful we can end up as a 7 seed.
And I guess I missed the memo that at goEMAW you can't be frustrated with frustrating losses anymore. I still love Frank and when all is said and done I'll probably be pretty good with this season, but part of the ride is being disappointed with bad moments and to me losing to ISU at home was a bad moment.
Post by: Winters on February 26, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
Play "Start Wearing Purple" instead of the pre-tip Sandstorm.Do not like the pre-tip sandstorm.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 07:34:13 PM
In conference, home teams are only winning 61% of their games.
The top 2 teams in the conference (top 5 teams in the country) are 15-1 (we're the 1 :gocho:). Weirdo ISU is also 7-1. Loser Tech is 1-7.
The only school that is drastically better at home is OSU - 6-2 (we're 1 of the 2 :gocho:) vs. 1-7.
We are the most EXTREME home/road anomaly team (4-4 in each), but it seems like home games aren't as big of an advantage this year as normal. Certainly not "impossible to win on the road in this league."
I'll await _FAN who doesn't go by how things "seem" to blast me with stats from earlier years to prove I didn't research this at all.
No, that is a good point for this season, but it doesn't make losing at home any less frustrating to me. And really its just two games, if we win the OU and ISU home games it changes the perception immensely. Its also another game where we had it tied late and had opportunities to win it and managed to lose. I don't mean to imply that Frank's teams won every one of those games in past years because they didn't, but we seemed to finish close games a lot better in previous years than we are this year. This team has had incredible high points, but some of the losses are just extremely frustrating.
Frank has won 56% of games decided by 6 points or fewer in his career (Bill Self is worse in close games). This year we're 4-5. That's definitely within an expected range.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/frank-martin/career_record?chart_record=4#record-chart
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2012, 07:36:23 PM
Well our dumbass students can't help but use the word "eff" during jock jams, so, I guess Sandstorm was the logical next step.Play "Start Wearing Purple" instead of the pre-tip Sandstorm.Do not like the pre-tip sandstorm.
I might actually email the Athletic Department with Start Wearing Purple. That would get people pretty fired up, I'd bet.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
I disagree with the meltdown'rs that anything that's taken place this year establishes a trend of Frank being Wooly and NIT-bound at best.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2012, 07:39:48 PM
I disagree with the meltdown'rs that anything that's taken place this year establishes a trend of Frank being Wooly and NIT-bound at best.
I disagree with that as well. Completely.
I do think its okay to let people vent though, and often time that is going to come across as irrational. It always does.
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
And I guess I missed the memo that at goEMAW you can't be frustrated with frustrating losses anymore. I still love Frank and when all is said and done I'll probably be pretty good with this season, but part of the ride is being disappointed with bad moments and to me losing to ISU at home was a bad moment.
Maybe I missed anyone telling anyone they couldn't be frustrated. But if I believe someone is being stupid for thinking a couple frustrating losses are indicative of a larger problem in the program, I will tell them.
Post by: sys on February 26, 2012, 07:44:11 PM
Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it. Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either. It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?
so basically every school in the big 12 other than ku should just fire their coach every five years? am i misunderstanding your position somehow?
oh wait, not fire their coach, just grumble unhappily to themselves.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 07:48:03 PM
I disagree with the meltdown'rs that anything that's taken place this year establishes a trend of Frank being Wooly and NIT-bound at best.
I disagree with that as well. Completely.
I do think its okay to let people vent though, and often time that is going to come across as irrational. It always does.
Sure. The point I was trying to make was that if they truly believed that Frank was an underachieving Wooly-esque coach that let his only chance at winning anything of substance slip through his fingers, then they naturally should want him fired now. They don't want him fired now. So I think we're good with Frank and the schizo team he's got this year that might flame out in the first round or could make a run. At least in less than a week, we won't have home losses to worry about anymore.
Post by: wabash909 on February 26, 2012, 07:48:19 PM
Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank? Fine him? Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?
Finings, not firings.
Really hit him in the pocket book.
We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in. He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.
And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.
The stick you want to beat Frank with is our program does not favorably compare to Okie State and ISU? I mean. Ok. Is there any other point you to get on the record while you are flailing around like a moron?
Oh God, don't even go there.
I love Frank. I think he is a very good coach, who has the potential to be one of the best in school history. The program is in great shape.
We've lost four times at home this season, two of the losses were completely inexplicable. Frank has been a master at motivating our team to compete at a high level on the road, I'd simply like to see more consistency at home and I'd like to restore our home court advantage. If we're going to take the next step as a program, it has to happen and I don't think that's a controversial statement.
Me too.
Step 1: Tell the pep band to gtfo
Step 2: Turn the pep band area into a stage for DJamer's
Step 3: No more t-shirt toss
Step 4: Start having the marketing dept. spend money on events/contests give aways while students stand in line for the game/wait in the arena not during every timeout/stoppage
Step 5: Give Frank a conference .850+ home win bonus
Step 6: Everyone stfu
This, in itself, would account for at least two more home victories.
We also need the students to stop being a bunch of lazy dumbasses and start bringing the organized chant sheets back.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 08:07:46 PM
In '09-'10, which was fun, we were 5-3 at home and 6-2 on the road.
And I guess I missed the memo that at goEMAW you can't be frustrated with frustrating losses anymore.
I really hate when you do this, you post this whenever there is a grand debate about a loss. Everyone associated with Kansas State University who cares about basketball even a little was frustrated by the loss, we are all frustrated to some extent by every loss, it isn't 2002 any more.
As I've exlained before, the stale debate, that I'm not getting into, is about how one loss effects the program. There are some people who can't analyse an individual loss for what it is. Every loss seems to be a litmus test for the program while the accomolishments are largely ignore. Yes, the losses are aggrevating, annoying, and frustrating. Reading opinions of those constantly waiting for any and all signs of doomsday are also aggrevating, annyoing, and frustrating. Others can get tired of reading the same tired talking points every loss. They also have the right to tell the antagonists to take a zanax. You don't fit into this category I'm not sure why you feel the protagonists are addressing you.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
I really hate when you do this, you post this whenever there is a grand debate about a loss. Everyone associated with Kansas State University who cares about basketball even a little was frustrated by the loss, we are all frustrated to some extent by every loss, it isn't 2002 any more.
As I've exlained before, the stale debate, that I'm not getting into, is about how one loss effects the program. There are some people who can't analyse an individual loss for what it is. Every loss seems to be a litmus test for the program while the accomolishments are largely ignore. Yes, the losses are aggrevating, annoying, and frustrating. Reading opinions of those constantly waiting for any and all signs of doomsday are also aggrevating, annyoing, and frustrating. Others can get tired of reading the same tired talking points every loss. They also have the right to tell the antagonists to take a zanax. You don't fit into this category I'm not sure why you feel the protagonists are addressing you.
Fair enough. I think I've said before that the goEMAW meltdown-ness has rubbed off on me a bit.
I think the ebbs and flows of this team are different that other Frank teams and that contributes to reactions of fans, its not like we haven't had these losses before under Frank. But this year we've also cycled between 2 or 3 wins followed by 2 or 3 losses throughout conference play. I suppose I came to expect that Frank Martin run; 8 of 9 to finish last year, 8 of 9 in 10, 7 of 8 in 09. Its easier for that one loss (OU at home and Saturday probably being the most dramatic) to have a bigger impact (probably bigger than it should) when in breaks one of those anticipated runs.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2012, 08:46:12 PM
To me the Iowa State home loss is no where near the disappointment that the OU loss was. I'm more disappointed with the Baylor loss because I think we're better than BU. At this point I don't know how we can't say that ISU is better than us. I'm not particularly worried about them being better beyond this or next season. Hoiberg is going to have to recruit and play high school kids at some point.
I think a lot of people don't want to acknowledge that ISU is pretty good. It's like they still think McDermott is their coach and Diante Garret is their best player.
*NOTE: I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WON BOTH GAMES AGAINST THEM.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2012, 09:00:06 PM
Post by: OregonSmock on February 26, 2012, 09:10:43 PM
I definitely agree that ISU is good. I'm not sure they are much better than Baylor though. I still expect to beat non Top 15 type teams at home 90% of the time, even if it isn't reality.
They are much better than Baylor on the perimeter.
Post by: sys on February 26, 2012, 09:35:19 PM
but things like that balance out. kstate played pretty average in the bu road win and got a win out of it. what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.
Post by: j rake on February 26, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.
great insight john madden.
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.
great insight john madden.
:emawkid:
Post by: sys on February 26, 2012, 11:28:11 PM
what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.
great insight john madden.
normal people loved madden, you anti-social recluse.
Post by: Panjandrum on February 26, 2012, 11:35:18 PM
I definitely agree that ISU is good. I'm not sure they are much better than Baylor though. I still expect to beat non Top 15 type teams at home 90% of the time, even if it isn't reality.
I'd really like to see some sort of statistical analysis done by someone with the time to see what the average number of non-Top 15 home losses are for teams that have made the NCAA tournament (consecutively) in the last two years.
I'm not saying we're above or below that watermark. I have no idea. I'd just be curious to see what that watermark is.
Post by: SwiftCat on February 27, 2012, 12:24:09 AM
Post by: OregonSmock on February 27, 2012, 01:31:44 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 27, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
He's a Freshman.
Post by: kougar24 on February 27, 2012, 09:46:11 AM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.
If you look at the big picture the season is acceptable with room to spare. Yeah there are moments I haven't liked, but overall we should be happy with the results.
#teamostrich
#teamostrich? No. #teambigpicture!
#teambigpicture
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 27, 2012, 09:47:18 AM
Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.
Lamont may be that guy. He got us Upshaw at the last second. 2013 will show if he is that guy or not.
Post by: Cire on February 27, 2012, 09:48:17 AM
Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.
agreed on sprads, your angel talking point is going to get you in to trouble later.
Post by: mcmwcat on February 27, 2012, 10:14:10 AM
it is frustrating though and it's hard to sit through - and still boo, scream and cheer in a sea of indifference, cynicism and gloom in the octagon. but knowing we are going to crush the aggie-aggies tomorrow is something to look forward to. we are in the tournament for the 4th time in 5 years. i'm going to kc to have a great time thinking we might be able to pull something out of nothing.
cheer up cat fans. it's still a good time for :bball:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 27, 2012, 05:54:46 PM
Post by: SdK on February 27, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
Post by: Berries and Cream on February 27, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.
Yeah, this sounds about right. :thumbs:
Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.
Yeah.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 27, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.
I needed that.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 27, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.
I agree. Really makes you think about the a-holes unable to enjoy anything.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2012, 12:40:04 PM
Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.
Lamont may be that guy. He got us Upshaw at the last second. 2013 will show if he is that guy or not.
Rob Cassidy ? @robcassidy22
Hello from College Station. K-State assistant Lamont Evans was on my flight this morning. He was out recruiting and met the team today
:crossfingers:
Post by: Cire on February 28, 2012, 01:17:50 PM
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 28, 2012, 02:48:14 PM
hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.
This.
FTB, FTMFB :bball:
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Post by: mocat on March 26, 2017, 06:17:37 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 26, 2017, 06:40:55 PM
Post by: mocat on March 26, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.
great insight john madden.
normal people loved madden, you anti-social recluse.
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2017, 06:57:45 PM
Fun re-read, t-y.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 26, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 26, 2017, 08:45:24 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 08:48:21 PM
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
Post by: sys on March 26, 2017, 08:57:15 PM
The Frank Martin era at was littered with threads like this that featured 909, Bevis, dax, and zacker pissing all over the rug.
wasn't edn in there? i'm pretty sure edn was in there. i doubt if i just decided to hate him out of nowhere (although, actually, i do that all the time).
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 09:02:31 PM
The Frank Martin era at was littered with threads like this that featured 909, Bevis, dax, and zacker pissing all over the rug.
wasn't edn in there? i'm pretty sure edn was in there. i doubt if i just decided to hate him out of nowhere (although, actually, i do that all the time).
For sure, not nearly as frequent but he had some memorable moments
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2017, 09:06:57 PM
Edn will be best remembered for calling Jacob Pullen a "pussy" during his senior season.The Frank Martin era at was littered with threads like this that featured 909, Bevis, dax, and zacker pissing all over the rug.
wasn't edn in there? i'm pretty sure edn was in there. i doubt if i just decided to hate him out of nowhere (although, actually, i do that all the time).
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2017, 09:49:33 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 26, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
I should get to pick the new AD.
For the right price that could probably be arranged.
Post by: ednksu on March 27, 2017, 01:56:47 AM
The Frank Martin era at was littered with threads like this that featured 909, Bevis, dax, and zacker pissing all over the rug.
wasn't edn in there? i'm pretty sure edn was in there. i doubt if i just decided to hate him out of nowhere (although, actually, i do that all the time).
For sure, not nearly as frequent but he had some memorable moments
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3dGRDwY1K5I/V-f_SZ145-I/AAAAAAAATGQ/PbnbZNsLFuc3Lri5Tdkpvy_xKtBBs2GDwCLcB/s1600/yawn-emoji.png)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 27, 2017, 08:52:15 AM
Great dumpster diving!
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Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 09:18:03 AM
I should get to pick the new AD.
For the right price that could probably be arranged.
Nobody should be having to pay extra for it; people with KSU's best interests in mind should be insisting on it, or at least having me spend a day or 2 with candidates to decide if they should be advanced further in the hiring process.
I've never understood how university leadership selection works. In most businesses, there's ultimately owners or original owners and now decision-makers that choose the leaders, based on who'll be best for the business. Who's "the man" when it comes to KSU? The governor? A regent? We've got an alumni association president that picked Currie, Currie on the group picking Myers, the aa pres picking the new ad they'll recommend to Myers, etc.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
Great reminder of why I'm a Kstate fan, and not a (insert coach name here) fan.
Great dumpster diving!
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I'm both. I'm a big fan of people who do great things for K-State.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 27, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
I think the UP gets the final say. Most schools will have a committee that reviews candidates and they might get to determine who is among the finalist but the UP generally makes the decision.I should get to pick the new AD.
For the right price that could probably be arranged.
Nobody should be having to pay extra for it; people with KSU's best interests in mind should be insisting on it, or at least having me spend a day or 2 with candidates to decide if they should be advanced further in the hiring process.
I've never understood how university leadership selection works. In most businesses, there's ultimately owners or original owners and now decision-makers that choose the leaders, based on who'll be best for the business. Who's "the man" when it comes to KSU? The governor? A regent? We've got an alumni association president that picked Currie, Currie on the group picking Myers, the aa pres picking the new ad they'll recommend to Myers, etc.
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 05:51:05 PM
I think the UP gets the final say. Most schools will have a committee that reviews candidates and they might get to determine who is among the finalist but the UP generally makes the decision.
Right, but our UP was just picked by a bunch of people that included our AD at the time. The UP isn't "the man (or woman!)." Those pickers were picked by the entire board of regents, who are as a whole responsible for governing ALL of the public higher ed institutions, not KSU. There's no person or entity that ultimately has the sole mission and responsibility of making KSU the best and putting the right people in place to do so.
https://kansasregents.org/about/news-releases/2016-news-releases/623-board-of-regents-appoint-k-state-presidential-search-committee
That's why I'm skeptical much will change in KSU's approach to sports anytime soon. It's been an incestual cycle for a while now, that seems to be continuing in this process.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 27, 2017, 05:57:54 PM
the most incestual thing about Currie and Schulz was they were part of the same search firm that also "found" us oscarI think the UP gets the final say. Most schools will have a committee that reviews candidates and they might get to determine who is among the finalist but the UP generally makes the decision.
Right, but our UP was just picked by a bunch of people that included our AD at the time. The UP isn't "the man (or woman!)." Those pickers were picked by the entire board of regents, who are as a whole responsible for governing ALL of the public higher ed institutions, not KSU. There's no person or entity that ultimately has the sole mission and responsibility of making KSU the best and putting the right people in place to do so.
https://kansasregents.org/about/news-releases/2016-news-releases/623-board-of-regents-appoint-k-state-presidential-search-committee
That's why I'm skeptical much will change in KSU's approach to sports anytime soon. It's been an incestual cycle for a while now, that seems to be continuing in this process.