Author Topic: So, protecting our home court... (Read 39666 times)

kso_FAN · « **Reply #225 on:** February 26, 2012, 08:30:55 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 08:07:46 PM

I really hate when you do this, you post this whenever there is a grand debate about a loss. Everyone associated with Kansas State University who cares about basketball even a little was frustrated by the loss, we are all frustrated to some extent by every loss, it isn't 2002 any more.

As I've exlained before, the stale debate, that I'm not getting into, is about how one loss effects the program. There are some people who can't analyse an individual loss for what it is. Every loss seems to be a litmus test for the program while the accomolishments are largely ignore. Yes, the losses are aggrevating, annoying, and frustrating. Reading opinions of those constantly waiting for any and all signs of doomsday are also aggrevating, annyoing, and frustrating. Others can get tired of reading the same tired talking points every loss. They also have the right to tell the antagonists to take a zanax. You don't fit into this category I'm not sure why you feel the protagonists are addressing you.

Fair enough. I think I've said before that the goEMAW meltdown-ness has rubbed off on me a bit.

I think the ebbs and flows of this team are different that other Frank teams and that contributes to reactions of fans, its not like we haven't had these losses before under Frank. But this year we've also cycled between 2 or 3 wins followed by 2 or 3 losses throughout conference play. I suppose I came to expect that Frank Martin run; 8 of 9 to finish last year, 8 of 9 in 10, 7 of 8 in 09. Its easier for that one loss (OU at home and Saturday probably being the most dramatic) to have a bigger impact (probably bigger than it should) when in breaks one of those anticipated runs.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #226 on:** February 26, 2012, 08:42:06 PM »

To me the Iowa State home loss is no where near the disappointment that the OU loss was. I'm more disappointed with the Baylor loss because I think we're better than BU. At this point I don't know how we can't say that ISU is better than us. I'm not particularly worried about them being better beyond this or next season. Hoiberg is going to have to recruit and play high school kids at some point.

michigancat · « **Reply #227 on:** February 26, 2012, 08:46:12 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on February 26, 2012, 08:42:06 PM

To me the Iowa State home loss is no where near the disappointment that the OU loss was. I'm more disappointed with the Baylor loss because I think we're better than BU. At this point I don't know how we can't say that ISU is better than us. I'm not particularly worried about them being better beyond this or next season. Hoiberg is going to have to recruit and play high school kids at some point.

I think a lot of people don't want to acknowledge that ISU is pretty good. It's like they still think McDermott is their coach and Diante Garret is their best player.

*NOTE: I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WON BOTH GAMES AGAINST THEM.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #228 on:** February 26, 2012, 08:51:51 PM »

I definitely agree that ISU is good. I'm not sure they are much better than Baylor though. I still expect to beat non Top 15 type teams at home 90% of the time, even if it isn't reality.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #229 on:** February 26, 2012, 09:00:06 PM »

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OregonSmock · « **Reply #230 on:** February 26, 2012, 09:10:43 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 26, 2012, 08:51:51 PM

I definitely agree that ISU is good. I'm not sure they are much better than Baylor though. I still expect to beat non Top 15 type teams at home 90% of the time, even if it isn't reality.

They are much better than Baylor on the perimeter.

sys · « **Reply #231 on:** February 26, 2012, 09:35:19 PM »

isu is about the same as baylor. if i wanted to be disappointed in games, i'd be most disappointed with the bu home loss and the isu road loss, because kstate played well in both. good enough that they could/should have won.

but things like that balance out. kstate played pretty average in the bu road win and got a win out of it. what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.

j rake · « **Reply #232 on:** February 26, 2012, 10:05:36 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 26, 2012, 09:35:19 PM

what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.

great insight john madden.

Trim · « **Reply #233 on:** February 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM »

Quote from: j rake on February 26, 2012, 10:05:36 PM

Quote from: sys on February 26, 2012, 09:35:19 PM
what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.

great insight john madden.

sys · « **Reply #234 on:** February 26, 2012, 11:28:11 PM »

Quote from: j rake on February 26, 2012, 10:05:36 PM

Quote from: sys on February 26, 2012, 09:35:19 PM
what the other team does is still half of whether you win or lose.

great insight john madden.

normal people loved madden, you anti-social recluse.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #235 on:** February 26, 2012, 11:35:18 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 26, 2012, 08:51:51 PM

I definitely agree that ISU is good. I'm not sure they are much better than Baylor though. I still expect to beat non Top 15 type teams at home 90% of the time, even if it isn't reality.

I'd really like to see some sort of statistical analysis done by someone with the time to see what the average number of non-Top 15 home losses are for teams that have made the NCAA tournament (consecutively) in the last two years.

I'm not saying we're above or below that watermark. I have no idea. I'd just be curious to see what that watermark is.

SwiftCat · « **Reply #236 on:** February 27, 2012, 12:24:09 AM »

Wow, why did I stop reading this thread

OregonSmock · « **Reply #237 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:31:44 AM »

Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #238 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:15:30 AM »

Angel had offers from Louisville, NC State and Miami.

He's a Freshman.

kougar24 · « **Reply #239 on:** February 27, 2012, 09:46:11 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on February 25, 2012, 07:00:09 PM

Quote from: catzacker on February 25, 2012, 06:50:18 PM
trying to put a goemawspin on it is fine and all, but we should win our home games. and winning @ MU and @ BU doesn't mean that we can just piss this or the OU games away or that they are meaningless. i mean, if you want to be teamostrich about this crap then fine. the ou loss was unacceptable. as is this one.

If you look at the big picture the season is acceptable with room to spare. Yeah there are moments I haven't liked, but overall we should be happy with the results.

#teamostrich

#teamostrich? No. #teambigpicture!

#teambigpicture

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #240 on:** February 27, 2012, 09:47:18 AM »

Quote from: OregonHawk on February 27, 2012, 01:31:44 AM

Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.

Lamont may be that guy. He got us Upshaw at the last second. 2013 will show if he is that guy or not.

Cire · « **Reply #241 on:** February 27, 2012, 09:48:17 AM »

Quote from: OregonHawk on February 27, 2012, 01:31:44 AM

Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.

agreed on sprads, your angel talking point is going to get you in to trouble later.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #242 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:14:10 AM »

good thread. i'm siding w/ team "the big picture looks good and looks better than it did early in the non con." #teamangel #frankite

it is frustrating though and it's hard to sit through - and still boo, scream and cheer in a sea of indifference, cynicism and gloom in the octagon. but knowing we are going to crush the aggie-aggies tomorrow is something to look forward to. we are in the tournament for the 4th time in 5 years. i'm going to kc to have a great time thinking we might be able to pull something out of nothing.

cheer up cat fans. it's still a good time for

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #243 on:** February 27, 2012, 05:54:46 PM »

hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.

SdK · « **Reply #244 on:** February 27, 2012, 05:56:01 PM »

Realized I was just being stupid and don't want to talk about it.

Berries and Cream · « **Reply #245 on:** February 27, 2012, 05:57:23 PM »

Quote from: rick daris on February 27, 2012, 05:54:46 PM

hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.

Yeah, this sounds about right.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #246 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:08:50 PM »

Quote from: rick daris on February 27, 2012, 05:54:46 PM

hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.

Yeah.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #247 on:** February 27, 2012, 08:36:35 PM »

Quote from: rick daris on February 27, 2012, 05:54:46 PM

hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.

I needed that.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #248 on:** February 27, 2012, 08:40:22 PM »

Quote from: rick daris on February 27, 2012, 05:54:46 PM

hey guys, it's possible and ok to like this team, like this season, like frank and still be kind of bummed that we keep losing home games to teams that we shouldn't. jesus christ this place.

I agree. Really makes you think about the a-holes unable to enjoy anything.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #249 on:** February 28, 2012, 12:40:04 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on February 27, 2012, 09:47:18 AM

Quote from: OregonHawk on February 27, 2012, 01:31:44 AM
Seriously, though, it's time for K-State to bring in another Delonte Hill type of assistant than recruit. These classes featuring guys like Spradling and Angel Rodriguez just aren't going to cut it in the Big 12.

Lamont may be that guy. He got us Upshaw at the last second. 2013 will show if he is that guy or not.

Rob Cassidy ? @robcassidy22
Hello from College Station. K-State assistant Lamont Evans was on my flight this morning. He was out recruiting and met the team today