So, protecting our home court...

[Stevesie60]

So zacker is saying we should be like the football team this year (beat everyone we should, lose to everyone we should). Funny thing is, I remember him bitching endlessly about the football team too.....

[wabash909]

If K-State could just protect your homecourt, you'd be at 12-4 in the league with a chance at a 2 or 3 seed.  Not sure why people are so content to get beat at home by the OU and Iowa State's of the world.  Winning at Mizzou and at Baylor is completely independent from winning at home.  K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't.  I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.

Pretending to be indifferent toward the pattern of losing winnable conference games on our home court is cute and edgy.

Sure, as a grape it is frustrating, but just as long as we meet pre-season expectations, it's good enough.

[Dugout DickStone]

If K-State could just protect your homecourt, you'd be at 12-4 in the league with a chance at a 2 or 3 seed.  Not sure why people are so content to get beat at home by the OU and Iowa State's of the world.  Winning at Mizzou and at Baylor is completely independent from winning at home.  K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't.  I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.

This kind of in depth analysis is priceless.

[michigancat]

If K-State could just protect your homecourt, you'd be at 12-4 in the league with a chance at a 2 or 3 seed.  Not sure why people are so content to get beat at home by the OU and Iowa State's of the world.  Winning at Mizzou and at Baylor is completely independent from winning at home.  K-State should be able to protect its homecourt better, but for some reason, they don't.  I'd be frustrated if I were a grape.

This kind of in depth analysis is priceless.

hopefully beems can be a contributor on the new, more colorful premium forum. Because people should have to pay for this.

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I want to win all the games, home and away.

[catzacker]

I really have a hard time digesting the complete cow turd talking points being peddled here.

zacker:  it would be (more comfortable?  better?  more satisfying?  less frustrating?)  to have a team that got no elite top 50 wins, but dominated the <100 rpi

it would be a better representation of what this team is.

wtf does that even mean?

Well, zacker believes this team is incapable of beating elite competition based on his angry eye test, so that means they shouldn't beat them.  When they do it conflicts with his worldview and causes internal tension.  Not healthy.  If only this team beat only teams that zacker thought we were better than and lost to all the teams that zacker though were better than us then he'd be able to look at himself in the mirror.  Unfortunately, the precarious balance of zacker's universe is perpetually on tilt.  Fire Frank.

on a scale of 1 to 10, what is this team?  my point is that those elite wins give the perception/hope/whatever that this team is a 8/9, losses to OU and home losses in winable games against baylor and isu makes this team a 4/5.  Average it out and we're a 6/7.  Which is what this team is.  Slightly above average. 

further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way.  we didn't have to be slightly above average.  we don't have to be average.  It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

[michigancat]

further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way.  we didn't have to be slightly above average.  we don't have to be average.  It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.

[WillieWatanabe]

yes. i want to win all the games. and this is bullshit.

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It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

I understand how to fire a coach.  Who should be JFC'n Frank and what would be the expected result?

[wabash909]

I just want to be as good as the pre-season writers say we're going to be. 

Whatever level of achievement they set forth before the season starts, that's the bar for expectations we need to follow.

So when we finish sixth this year that's perfectly acceptable, even though we had a golden opportunity to be fourth or higher had we not sh*t the bed at home in multiple games we were favored in.

Next year, it will be okay to critique the underachievement though, because we'll probably be picked to finish much higher and losing games at home against marginal opponents we are favored against simply won't be tolerated under those circumstances.

[michigancat]

I just want to be as good as the pre-season writers say we're going to be. 

Whatever level of achievement they set forth before the season starts, that's the bar for expectations we need to follow.

So when we finish sixth this year that's perfectly acceptable, even though we had a golden opportunity to be fourth or higher had we not sh*t the bed at home in multiple games we were favored in.

Next year, it will be okay to critique the underachievement though, because we'll probably be picked to finish much higher and losing games at home against marginal opponents we are favored against simply won't be tolerated under those circumstances.

^needed an edgy reference

[sys]

I understand how to fire a coach.  Who should be JFC'n Frank and what would be the expected result?

what a great post.

[catzacker]

further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way.  we didn't have to be slightly above average.  we don't have to be average.  It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.

not 16-0.  maybe 11-5.  I know, I know.  Crazy talk.

[wabash909]

I just want to be as good as the pre-season writers say we're going to be. 

Whatever level of achievement they set forth before the season starts, that's the bar for expectations we need to follow.

So when we finish sixth this year that's perfectly acceptable, even though we had a golden opportunity to be fourth or higher had we not sh*t the bed at home in multiple games we were favored in.

Next year, it will be okay to critique the underachievement though, because we'll probably be picked to finish much higher and losing games at home against marginal opponents we are favored against simply won't be tolerated under those circumstances.

^needed an edgy reference

Damn, good catch!

[wabash909]

further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way.  we didn't have to be slightly above average.  we don't have to be average.  It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.

not 16-0.  maybe 11-5.  I know, I know.  Crazy talk.

Easy, Zacker. 

We're not Iowa State.

[michigancat]

further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way.  we didn't have to be slightly above average.  we don't have to be average.  It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.

not 16-0.  maybe 11-5.  I know, I know.  Crazy talk.

Also could have easily been 5-11.

[Kat Kid]

further, my point is that it didn't have to be this way.  we didn't have to be slightly above average.  we don't have to be average.  It's not  "fire frank", it's "Jesus rough ridin' christ Frank, why can't you rough ridin' do what you rough ridin' demand out of your rough ridin' players".

we could have been 16-0 at this point. What might have been.

not 16-0.  maybe 11-5.  I know, I know.  Crazy talk.

So your point boils down to we lost some games we shouldn't have and man would've been awesome had we won those?

Well, you just got me on board.  #team13-5

[sonofdaxjones]

K-State Basketball:  Hey we were picked 8th afterall.

[Kat Kid]

K-State Basketball:  Hey we were picked 8th afterall.

dax Basketball:  my expectations will be just above whatever is actually achieved.

[sonofdaxjones]

I'm allowed to be cranky dammit!   

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Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank?  Fine him?  Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?

[sonofdaxjones]

Do better.

[Trim]

Do better.

Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want.  It's not going to change anything.  You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success. 

It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.

What do you want to do?

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't know, when I can explain why when Shane plays well and Sprads doesn't, Sprads plays twice as long . . . but that's Frank.



 

[wabash909]

Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank?  Fine him?  Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?

Finings, not firings.

Really hit him in the pocket book.

We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in.  He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.

And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.