So, protecting our home court...

[Trim]

I don't know, when I can explain why when Shane plays well and Sprads doesn't, Sprads plays twice as long . . . but that's Frank.

Yeah, that sucked.  Fire Frank?

[Trim]

Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank?  Fine him?  Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?

Finings, not firings.

Really hit him in the pocket book.

We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in.  He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.

And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.

Intriguing...

[michigancat]

Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank?  Fine him?  Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?

Finings, not firings.

Really hit him in the pocket book.

We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in.  He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.

And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.

Why not just do it based on all games we are favored/not favored?

Games we won when not favored (6):

@VT
Bama
LBSU
MU
@BU
@MU

Games we lost when favored (5):
WVU
BU
@OU
OU
ISU

Would Frank get a bonus? Or would you just change the criteria every year so you guarantee a fine?

[catzacker]

Fantastic.  On gpc they question your k-statriotism, on goEMAW they question your franktriotism.

Yeah, I want him fired you dumbfucks. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.

[michigancat]

Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.

what is extreme about looking at the big picture and saying the program as a whole is OK, while acknowledging the record could be better? Seems pretty tame and level headed to me.

[Trim]

Yeah, I want him fired you dumbfucks. 

Well, hypothetically, let's imagine a world where your two options are to keep Frank with all of his Frank-ness, good and bad, OR fire him.

I mean, I know in the real world there's a big middle ground between keeping him and firing him, but for the sake of this thread, let's say you have to pick one.

[Trim]

Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.

what is extreme about looking at the big picture and saying the program as a whole OK, while acknowledging the record could be better? Seems pretty tame and level headed to me.

The only way that position could get more extreme is if it was made while base jumping and sucking down a Mountain Dew.

[MakeItRain]

The addition of a plucky Trim to this thread is a nice shot in the arm.  Frankly without him is the same old people making the same old tired arguments from the last three years.  Surprised most aren't bored with it yet.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah very gopo'ish the way the Too Cool for School crowd has gotten so defensive and prone to speak in extremes.

what is extreme about looking at the big picture and saying the program as a whole OK, while acknowledging the record could be better? Seems pretty tame and level headed to me.

Saying we want Frank fired, or trading 2 wins over ku etc. etc.

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.

[Trim]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

My point is that your expectations aren't especially unreasonable - I think they're a little high but not "extremely" off.  So, what do you want do to about it now that they haven't been met?

[sonofdaxjones]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

My point is that your expectations aren't especially unreasonable - I think they're a little high but not "extremely" off.  So, what do you want do to about it now that they haven't been met?

Install a "Do Better" meter in Franks office with a control system in Currie's office.

[Trim]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

My point is that your expectations aren't especially unreasonable - I think they're a little high but not "extremely" off.  So, what do you want do to about it now that they haven't been met?

Install a "Do Better" meter in Franks office with a control system in Currie's office.

OK, good talk.

[ChiComCat]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.

Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?

[Trim]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.

Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?

You make that sound difficult; I'm sure there's a meter with a control system to get that timed out properly.

[ChiComCat]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.

Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?

You make that sound difficult; I'm sure there's a meter with a control system to get that timed out properly.

Well, you could just bring in a crap ton of JuCos that year but I really don't think that will solve anything

[felix rex]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

Just don't get why the Too Cool for School crowd gets so upset about having perfectly reasonable expectations, and I don't understand why they're so willing to make excuses . . . bad Combo Tuck/Frankites.

Maybe I'm misuderstanding, but do you want us to try to be set with juniors/seniors when KU looks like they maybe vulnerable?

You make that sound difficult; I'm sure there's a meter with a control system to get that timed out properly.

I mean, it's just a matter of paying attention to any year when KU's supposed to be good and then redshirting all our good upperclassmen that year. How hard is that?

[sonofdaxjones]

How about recruiting better, how about having guys that don't need to be Franked?

Why is that hard?

Oh wait, you can only bring up the recruiting misses in a particular context.

[WillieWatanabe]

what a mess.

[OregonSmock]

Do better.

Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want.  It's not going to change anything.  You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success. 

It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.

What do you want to do?

Recruit players who can shoot above 26% in Big 12 play? 

[michigancat]

The addition of a plucky Trim to this thread is a nice shot in the arm.  Frankly without him is the same old people making the same old tired arguments from the last three years.  Surprised most aren't bored with it yet.

This year the complaints are louder than last year, even though we under achieved more last year. It's because we didn't beat KU this year.

[bigwillie20]

The addition of a plucky Trim to this thread is a nice shot in the arm.  Frankly without him is the same old people making the same old tired arguments from the last three years.  Surprised most aren't bored with it yet.

This year the complaints are louder than last year, even though we under achieved more last year. It's because we didn't beat KU, Iowa State, or rough ridin' Oklahoma this year.

[Trim]

Do better.

Well, you and Currie and Schulz can do better all you want.  It's not going to change anything.  You and they can't puppeteer Frank to basketball success. 

It doesn't sound like you want to fire him.

What do you want to do?

Recruit players who can shoot above 26% in Big 12 play? 

None of us on the board recruit (officially).  I'm afraid we're stuck with firing or not.

[michigancat]

Saying that K-State should have been better prepared personnel wise to take advantage of this perceived window to maybe win a conference title isn't an extreme level of expectations either . . . in fact, it is fairly tame if you think about it.  Expecting K-State to dominate at home isn't an extreme level of expectations either.   It's year 5 of the Frank regime, why should anything less be expected?   

Why should we expect MORE than what has been accomplished in Frank's 5 seasons? I mean other than breaking ground on a practice facility.

[Kat Kid]

Dax/zacker/wabash, what are you suggesting besides Fire Frank?  Fine him?  Give him an ultimatum to win ______ by _______ or he's fired?

Finings, not firings.

Really hit him in the pocket book.

We just need to dock his wage for every home loss we're favored in.  He gets one gimme a year against KU at home that he can lose without getting penalized + one other against a garbage team at home as long as he offsets it with a Top 10 victory on the road.

And if we finish with a worse home record overall than Oklahoma State or ISU like this year, that's another fine.

The stick you want to beat Frank with is our program does not favorably compare to Okie State and ISU?  I mean.  Ok.  Is there any other point you to get on the record while you are flailing around like a moron?