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« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2010, 12:51:26 PM »
That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.
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« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2010, 12:52:20 PM »
That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.

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« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2010, 01:00:48 PM »
I'm not racist. But seriously tho, tht was next yrs team on the floor. How many wins would they get? 19?
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« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2010, 01:03:49 PM »
I'm not racist. But seriously tho, tht was next yrs team on the floor. How many wins would they get? 19?
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« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2010, 02:27:15 PM »
That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.

Considering what "next year's team" from last night is currently lacking, Angel is a huge minus consideration though.

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« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2010, 02:29:58 PM »
BITB:

Game changed on a 14-2 run consisting of layups and FT's.

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But, but defensive efficency Dax . . .

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« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2010, 02:44:52 PM »
BITB:

Game changed on a 14-2 run consisting of layups and FT's.

 :thumbsup:


But, but defensive efficency Dax . . .

Congrats, you have the same BBIQ as Kevin Kietzman. :lol:

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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2010, 02:51:14 PM »
We had great defensive eff against Alcorn State . . . cling to those things Kougs, cling to those things.

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Hey Kougs, UNLV just got back in the lead using backdoor cuts.   Kougs:  But, but Dax, look at our season long defensive eff stats.



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Re: McGruds
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2010, 02:55:06 PM »
so wait, dax, you think our defense is bad?

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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2010, 02:57:59 PM »
so wait, dax, you think our defense is bad?

Somewhat well played.    :blank:

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« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2010, 03:17:54 PM »
We had great defensive eff against Alcorn State . . . cling to those things Kougs, cling to those things.

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Hey Kougs, UNLV just got back in the lead using backdoor cuts.   Kougs:  But, but Dax, look at our season long defensive eff stats.




Their backdoor cuts didn't hold us to 2 freaking points during that 7+ minute stretch. I can't believe I have to spell that out for you.

Well, actually, I can believe it.

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« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2010, 03:28:31 PM »
You cling to the "k-state went cold" talking point as if its some kind of giant surprise that K-State can't or couldn't score.  Welcome to the whole rough ridin' year Kougs. 

Reconcile yourself to the reality that your defensive eff stats don't mean crap when in the bigger games of the year, the other team gets easy basket after easy basket on the simplest rough ridin' offensive play in the game.   The turning point of the game last night was on easy layups for the other team. 

So just where in the whole "defense first" "JYC" shtick does giving up repeated back door cut layups reside??


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« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2010, 03:37:09 PM »
You cling to the "k-state went cold" talking point as if its some kind of giant surprise that K-State can't or couldn't score.  Welcome to the whole effing year Kougs.

You cling to the "backdoor cuts!" talking point as if it's some kind of giant surprise that K-State gives up some easy buckets in its pressure-the-passing-lanes defense. Welcome to the whole effing Frank Martin era dax.

As for scoring, we scored the 12th most PPG in the nation last year, so you acting like Frank desires some sort of Big 10 type of game only lowers your BBIQ further.

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« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2010, 03:42:46 PM »
That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.

Considering what "next year's team" from last night is currently lacking, Angel is a huge minus consideration though.

Yeah, next year's team will be on the bubble.

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« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2010, 04:27:11 PM »
A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".

That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.

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« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2010, 04:35:21 PM »
A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".

That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.


Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.

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« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2010, 04:42:58 PM »
A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".

That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.


Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.

The "missing lay-ups" point is the one I'm concerned with.

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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2010, 04:50:05 PM »
A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".

That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.


Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.

The "missing lay-ups" point is the one I'm concerned with.

Expecting to make every lay-up is about as realistic as expecting to shoot 75% from the free throw line as a team. The team needs to miss less layups, not get burned as often on back door cuts, commit fewer turnovers, miss less wide open 3's, make more free throws, inbound the ball better, and just stop being weak around the basket in general.

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« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2010, 04:53:45 PM »
A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".

That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.


Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.

The "missing lay-ups" point is the one I'm concerned with.

Expecting to make every lay-up is about as realistic as expecting to shoot 75% from the free throw line as a team. The team needs to miss less layups, not get burned as often on back door cuts, commit fewer turnovers, miss less wide open 3's, make more free throws, inbound the ball better, and just stop being weak around the basket in general.

Should have said "missing numerous lay-ups". I understand having an off-night, but that was two games in a row. But no, I do not expect to make every lay-up.

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« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2010, 05:27:32 PM »
Look KougsTooCoolForSchoolWannabe . . . I know it's never easy for you, but teams can actually over play the passing lanes and NOT get consistantly torn to shreds by backdoor cuts.  Teams do it all the time, this isn't hard.   This is D1 basketball, things like weak side help and recovery etc. etc. have been taught to these guys since middle school.    Plus, what have I said about Frank wanting to push the ball and score more points in this thread . . . oh yeah, nothing . . . that's Frank Martin Basketball 002.    Then again, you actually have to have players that can actually do that well, you have to recruit them.   If you want to push the ball like you had Denny do, then here's a clue, recruit more rough ridin' Denny's, not Will Spradlings, not Tay Irvings, not Nick Russell's.    But I digress.  

So let's see, you keep rolling out crap like "def eff %" and I keep talking about how in last nights game, and in all 3 losses this year K-State has been ripped to pieces by backdoor cuts, and by not finding the ball and recovering in defensive transition.     Yet for the "too cool for school" crowd that's a "tard talking point" really . . . really??   It's almost like the Frankites and GoEmawTards want to wear the "oh but we get out in the passing lanes" like it's some great badge of honor or something.  

How many more FT's have to clank off the rim, how long does K-State have to shoot less than 55% from the line, with game after game going 14 for 26 or 13 for 27 before it becomes a big deal??   How can you expect to go anywhere where with JYC style basketball if you can't even shoot 65% from the line??  You can't, end of discussion.




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« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2010, 05:43:27 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2010, 06:47:03 PM »
Everyone should just probably tap out now.

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« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2010, 06:53:27 PM »
Everyone should just probably tap out now.

Before I do, can I ask where "defending backdoor cuts" places on your ranked list of "Things That Need Improvement"?

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« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2010, 06:59:42 PM »
Everyone should just probably tap out now.

Before I do, can I ask where "defending backdoor cuts" places on your ranked list of "Things That Need Improvement"?

2nd, right behind recruiting.


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« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2010, 07:14:50 PM »
Everyone should just probably tap out now.

Before I do, can I ask where "defending backdoor cuts" places on your ranked list of "Things That Need Improvement"?

2nd, right behind recruiting.



I still think every defensive scheme has a weakness or two, and the weakness in ours is the backdoor cut. But everything else about it is great. It seems that it's pretty uncommon for our opponents to take a decent shot unless they are in transition or because of the occasional backdoor.

Admittedly, you know significantly more about basketball than I do, but I'm by no means Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I still think that we would end up relieving a significant amount of pressure somewhere in order to prevent backdoor cuts. If it happens once/when it happens the first time, I think we should make that adjustment so they don't do it 3-4 times in a row like last night, but then switch back to what seems to be a defensive scheme that is working.

All this to say, I tend to agree with the mindset that our offense is designed for play makers, and that's who we need to be recruiting. If our offense is something you think can be fixed by recruiting, then yeah, recruiting is definitely the biggest concern. But I get 10x more frustrated seeing 250lb men go up soft for a lay-up than I do seeing us get scored on because of a backdoor cut. So in terms of things that are of immediate concern, this is the one that keeps glaring me in the face.