The Royals

[cfbandyman]

I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

This is essentially what I was getting at. Also, shortening the game via the bullpen and good defense IMO is a smallball way to win games, A baseball version of time of possession if you will. It wasn't the perfect metaphor but it was the goal during 2014/15.

[cfbandyman]

Yes. I am, however, unfamiliar with "smallball moneyball." 

If it's a rany thing, just let me know so I can ignore it as pure stupidity.

it's a cfbandyman thing but it makes sense if you know what the two terms actually mean

Stupid as crap, got it.

Aww, he hurt my wittle feelings. Like anyone cares what he thinks.

Regardless carry on, go Roys.

[mocat]

Great job moose

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

This is essentially what I was getting at. Also, shortening the game via the bullpen and good defense IMO is a smallball way to win games, A baseball version of time of possession if you will. It wasn't the perfect metaphor but it was the goal during 2014/15.

Good observation no matter what it's called.

Also, adding Frasor essentially shortened the opponents game to 5 innings.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

This boring piece of journalism has sure stirred the pot. I think he took an old article, did a ctrl+f kstate and replaced it with Royals.

http://amp.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article159994224.html

[wetwillie]

https://twitter.com/duffkc41/status/883460781173374977


 

[mocat]

 

[SdK]

Lol

[mocat]

i don't think that's what they're testing you for, duffman

[wetwillie]

https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/883484840581971968

[mocat]

[Cartierfor3]

I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

The 2014 royals were built around a concept that they could score more runs in 9 innings than the other team could score in [effectively] 6 innings. A concept that many other teams are now trying to replicate.

Do you guys really think Dayton built a 2014 "value" team based upon contact hitting and stolen bases? Particularly given he really has no actual control over those things? We have 6/9 same players in the lineup, afterall, none of whom were "undervalued" veterans. On the contrary, look at the vets he bought that year (Ibanez, Willingham, that catcher Kretz?, Maxwell?) power/bb guys. 

On offense, I think this year's team is the team he intended to build in 2014.

I agree with your decision not to get behind smallball moneyball because it's so clearly based on a false premise. But at least now I got the premise. 

There absolutely was an organizational philosophy where the Royals valued athleticism and defense and speed more than almost any team in baseball. They also were ahead of the curve with valuing having multiple strikeout power bullpen arms. That was a big part of who they went after in the Greinke trade and why they had guys like Dyson and Gore in the system. They also put an organizational emphasis on contact which is why they signed Aoki in 2014. There was an overvaluing of walks/homeruns and an undervaluing of speed/bullpen/defense that the Royals did capitalize on. So call it whatever you want but they did something right.

[Cartierfor3]

Also, the 2014 run was suuuuuuuper lucky. Lester couldn't throw to 1st, Moose went crazy with homeruns in the postseason, the American League playoff teams (outside of Lester) had basically no ace starters, Guthrie was making quality starts in the playoffs, the Angels were like the least balanced lineup of all time, etc etc etc. There were a million lucky things that just broke for the Royals that year.

[Cartierfor3]

I'm drinking coffee rn to get ready for this late night ball match.

[wetwillie]

I decided to follow Andy on twitter tonight for old times sake.   It might make me feel some feels I haven't had in a while.

[The Big Train]

Just turned the ole ballgame on LFG!

[SdK]

This is my favorite lineup

[The Big Train]

Guys I say we just take this series, I mean why not?  They have the second best record in all of baseball.  Let's just rough ridin' smoke these losers.

[The Big Train]

Wow!  Cain!!!

[Canary]

I'm sitting in a hotel room and the game is not on their offerings of channels.  Ridiculous!

[The Big Train]

Do you have a computer or tablet?  Just fox sports go that b

[SdK]

Time to download FoxSportsGo on your iPad, Canary

[The Big Train]

SdlukeK

[SdK]

Hahaha. Yes!

When they show highlights during the game on Fox Sports, it sounds to me like a woman moaning during parts of it.

[Canary]

Do you have a computer or tablet?  Just fox sports go that b

I'll do that for tomorrow's game. I'll just follow on cbs sports game tracker.