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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70625 on: July 06, 2017, 02:50:44 PM »
Yes. I am, however, unfamiliar with "smallball moneyball." 

If it's a rany thing, just let me know so I can ignore it as pure stupidity.

it's a cfbandyman thing but it makes sense if you know what the two terms actually mean

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« Reply #70626 on: July 06, 2017, 02:53:19 PM »
relax, it's kickball weather

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70627 on: July 06, 2017, 03:04:46 PM »
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70628 on: July 06, 2017, 03:06:06 PM »
Yes. I am, however, unfamiliar with "smallball moneyball." 

If it's a rany thing, just let me know so I can ignore it as pure stupidity.

it's a cfbandyman thing but it makes sense if you know what the two terms actually mean

Stupid as crap, got it.
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« Reply #70629 on: July 06, 2017, 03:15:38 PM »
great stuff as always FSD

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70630 on: July 06, 2017, 03:16:00 PM »
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« Reply #70631 on: July 06, 2017, 03:16:44 PM »
great stuff as always FSD

I wouldn't get behind that one either, mocat.
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« Reply #70632 on: July 06, 2017, 03:30:49 PM »
great stuff as always FSD

I wouldn't get behind that one either, mocat.

ok. i'm going to take a crack at figuring out what the hangup is inside your brain. my guess is you think moneyball is synonymous with smallball.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70633 on: July 06, 2017, 03:34:52 PM »
I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.
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« Reply #70634 on: July 06, 2017, 03:52:34 PM »
this is excruciating

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70635 on: July 06, 2017, 03:56:01 PM »
Whitt not being in the All-Star game is a goddamn abomination

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70636 on: July 06, 2017, 04:01:32 PM »
this is excruciating

I wouldn't get behind that eithet, mocat.
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70637 on: July 06, 2017, 04:03:53 PM »
Merriefield is the best thing that's ever happened to this organization.

Whitt not being in the All-Star game is a goddamn abomination

one of these days i'm sure you'll figure out what his name is

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« Reply #70638 on: July 06, 2017, 04:11:34 PM »
I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70640 on: July 06, 2017, 04:36:46 PM »
Merriefield is the best thing that's ever happened to this organization.

Whitt not being in the All-Star game is a goddamn abomination

one of these days i'm sure you'll figure out what his name is
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70641 on: July 06, 2017, 04:57:04 PM »
I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

The 2014 royals were built around a concept that they could score more runs in 9 innings than the other team could score in [effectively] 6 innings. A concept that many other teams are now trying to replicate.

Do you guys really think Dayton built a 2014 "value" team based upon contact hitting and stolen bases? Particularly given he really has no actual control over those things? We have 6/9 same players in the lineup, afterall, none of whom were "undervalued" veterans. On the contrary, look at the vets he bought that year (Ibanez, Willingham, that catcher Kretz?, Maxwell?) power/bb guys. 

On offense, I think this year's team is the team he intended to build in 2014.

I agree with your decision not to get behind smallball moneyball because it's so clearly based on a false premise. But at least now I got the premise.  :thumbsup:
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70642 on: July 06, 2017, 04:57:55 PM »
How does Whitley stack up to the other 2b in the AL on batting?
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« Reply #70643 on: July 06, 2017, 05:00:35 PM »
How does Whitley stack up to the other 2b in the AL on batting?

5th best average, 6th best OPS

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« Reply #70644 on: July 06, 2017, 05:01:21 PM »
How does Whitley stack up to the other 2b in the AL on batting?

5th best average, 6th best OPS

Sounds all star caliber to me
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70645 on: July 06, 2017, 05:06:29 PM »
How does Whitley stack up to the other 2b in the AL on batting?

5th best average, 6th best OPS

Sounds all star caliber to me
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70646 on: July 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM »
How does Whitley stack up to the other 2b in the AL on batting?

MLB/AL

R: t-22nd/10th
H: 16th/8th
2b: t-12th/t-6th
3b: 1st
HR: t-19th/10th
RBI: 16th/8th
SB: 5th/2nd
BB: t-35th/t-15th
SO: t-27th/t-14th
AVG: t-8th/5th
OBP: 18th/9th
SLG: 8th/6th
OPS: 9th/6th
WAR: t-7th/t-4th

Not allstar worthy.

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« Reply #70647 on: July 06, 2017, 05:24:10 PM »
I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

The 2014 royals were built around a concept that they could score more runs in 9 innings than the other team could score in [effectively] 6 innings. A concept that many other teams are now trying to replicate.

Do you guys really think Dayton built a 2014 "value" team based upon contact hitting and stolen bases? Particularly given he really has no actual control over those things? We have 6/9 same players in the lineup, afterall, none of whom were "undervalued" veterans. On the contrary, look at the vets he bought that year (Ibanez, Willingham, that catcher Kretz?, Maxwell?) power/bb guys. 

On offense, I think this year's team is the team he intended to build in 2014.

I agree with your decision not to get behind smallball moneyball because it's so clearly based on a false premise. But at least now I got the premise. 

I disagree that dayton threw darts with all the players he signed

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70648 on: July 06, 2017, 05:24:26 PM »
Can't wait for all the collegial banter about getting our guys in this weekend.

Also lol at the Yankees reaching out to other AL central squads and getting spurned.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #70649 on: July 06, 2017, 05:56:14 PM »
We did it guys!