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« Reply #70700 on: July 07, 2017, 11:46:22 PM »
So I don't think I've told this story and it's a short one. However Whit already got out as I'm typing this, but I saw him play for South Carolina in Omaha in 2010 to win the ship for them. 

I took the 18U summer team I was coaching to the CWS that year and we stayed for the whole thing.  We also drove all the way back home that night which was inconvenient but it was pretty cool to see that whole thing unfold.

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« Reply #70701 on: July 08, 2017, 12:14:03 AM »
Well that's sucks but we are still fine and I got to tell my story so go royals and cats. Go Cats

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« Reply #70702 on: July 08, 2017, 12:21:40 AM »
So I don't think I've told this story and it's a short one. However Whit already got out as I'm typing this, but I saw him play for South Carolina in Omaha in 2010 to win the ship for them. 

I took the 18U summer team I was coaching to the CWS that year and we stayed for the whole thing.  We also drove all the way back home that night which was inconvenient but it was pretty cool to see that whole thing unfold.
That sounds pretty great. Glad you all had fun.

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« Reply #70703 on: July 08, 2017, 10:17:41 AM »
It's fun to come back and see lots of posts again after a Roys game.

I'm glad I stayed up and didn't fall asleep for the Seattle wins like I did last night.

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« Reply #70704 on: July 08, 2017, 11:05:02 AM »
Tomorrow Duffy v Kershaw my word.  :love:

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« Reply #70705 on: July 08, 2017, 02:06:09 PM »
It's fun to come back and see lots of posts again after a Roys game.

I'm glad I stayed up and didn't fall asleep for the Seattle wins like I did last night.
I look forward to that too.  I doubt I'll watch tonight but am certainly planning on watching the next one.

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« Reply #70706 on: July 08, 2017, 07:01:57 PM »
These cheaty NL rules man. Good grief. Let's go Royals!

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« Reply #70707 on: July 08, 2017, 07:19:29 PM »
What kind of send is that?

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« Reply #70708 on: July 08, 2017, 07:39:55 PM »
That's Royals baseball of old. A little speed for the sys Tobias crowd.

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« Reply #70709 on: July 08, 2017, 08:20:36 PM »
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« Reply #70710 on: July 08, 2017, 08:41:42 PM »
Cain! :love:

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« Reply #70711 on: July 08, 2017, 08:45:46 PM »
I want this one bad you guys

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« Reply #70712 on: July 08, 2017, 08:47:29 PM »
Salvy!!!!!!

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« Reply #70713 on: July 08, 2017, 08:47:53 PM »
Salvy!

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« Reply #70715 on: July 08, 2017, 09:06:40 PM »
rough ridin' Soria god damnit

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« Reply #70716 on: July 08, 2017, 09:36:47 PM »
There's the break we need. Should be a great match tomorrow. Two studs toeing the rubber.

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« Reply #70717 on: July 08, 2017, 09:40:08 PM »
Or not. Shucks darn.

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« Reply #70718 on: July 08, 2017, 10:06:52 PM »
rough ridin' Soria god damnit

This game was Way more on Jirsch than any Bullpen guy. Love his aggressive nature...but his send of Boni was foolish (be aggressive not foolish). Boni held up, took a step or two back towards 2nd and he still sends him.  Dumb... especially with potential 0 out bases loaded and Salvy/Moose coming up.

It's a game we gave away by a foolish call by a coach. It happens.. but it sucks and it stings

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« Reply #70719 on: July 09, 2017, 08:53:21 AM »
I would say those terms are incongruent.

I don't know the premise behind "smallball moneyball", but it sounds stupid.

the early 2000's A's built a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of OBP and waiting around for a 3 run dong. because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball".

the 2014 royals were able to build a playoff-caliber roster around the (at the time) underappreciated player attributes of speed, contact hitting, and defense. this style of playing baseball is sometimes called "smallball". and, because these attributes were undervalued by most other teams, they were able to build this roster on the cheap, which is why it's called "moneyball". so you could say that the 2014 royals were the "smallball version of moneyball"

The 2014 royals were built around a concept that they could score more runs in 9 innings than the other team could score in [effectively] 6 innings. A concept that many other teams are now trying to replicate.

Do you guys really think Dayton built a 2014 "value" team based upon contact hitting and stolen bases? Particularly given he really has no actual control over those things? We have 6/9 same players in the lineup, afterall, none of whom were "undervalued" veterans. On the contrary, look at the vets he bought that year (Ibanez, Willingham, that catcher Kretz?, Maxwell?) power/bb guys. 

On offense, I think this year's team is the team he intended to build in 2014.

I agree with your decision not to get behind smallball moneyball because it's so clearly based on a false premise. But at least now I got the premise.  :thumbsup:

There absolutely was an organizational philosophy where the Royals valued athleticism and defense and speed more than almost any team in baseball. They also were ahead of the curve with valuing having multiple strikeout power bullpen arms. That was a big part of who they went after in the Greinke trade and why they had guys like Dyson and Gore in the system. They also put an organizational emphasis on contact which is why they signed Aoki in 2014. There was an overvaluing of walks/homeruns and an undervaluing of speed/bullpen/defense that the Royals did capitalize on. So call it whatever you want but they did something right.

They may have adjusted their approach at the plate after firing/hiring the umpteenth hitting coach in 2014 and evaluating the roster, but nothing they did from a personnel pov would show they sought out speed/contact hitters. Not "moneyball". They had 4 top 4 picks in the lineup (Gordo, Billy, Hosmer, Moose), none of whom fit that profile when drafted. All 2014 acquisitions were power walk guys except aoki who was like the 10th straight cheapo signing to patch the never ending hole in rf vacated by Ibanez (one of the guys signed), and was immediately cut loose. 

Regardless, if that was the organizational strategy--which it was not--it was not succesful, as the offense was below average in 2014.  It is true, however, that it excelled at not striking out and stealing bases.

No question there was a strategy to buy power arms on the cheap to shorten games and save money on SP, which was/is absurdly expensive. I already said that.
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« Reply #70720 on: July 09, 2017, 08:54:02 AM »
4 str8t walks is highly amateurish
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« Reply #70721 on: July 09, 2017, 02:29:44 PM »
The Dodgers are ridiculously good. Of course with a payroll of $250 mil they should be, it's only $100 mil more than ours (and $36 mil more than 2nd place Boston).

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« Reply #70722 on: July 09, 2017, 03:16:19 PM »
They have a lot of youngsters for $250 million.

Besides Kershaw, where is all the money spent?
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« Reply #70723 on: July 09, 2017, 03:16:49 PM »
Looks like kershaw has his best stuff today.  Got our asses kicked by the best team in baseball this weekend.
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« Reply #70724 on: July 09, 2017, 03:19:55 PM »
Looks like kershaw has his best stuff today.  Got our asses kicked by the best team in baseball this weekend.
The B Team lineup won't help at all.