The Royals

[Dr Rick Daris]

maybe i'm being weird nitpicky just to find something. idk. maybe i'd be doing the same thing in his situ. i just don't want to lose tomorrow because we had to be 100% to win today instead of 97%. does that even make sense?

also frasor vs everyone else in the 9th. frasor has done it before. he's saved over 30 games in his career. idk. he's a vet. a pro. he's done it before.

[kso_FAN]

also frasor vs everyone else in the 9th. frasor has done it before. he's saved over 30 games in his career. idk. he's a vet. a pro. he's done it before.

FWIW, Frasor has blown his last 12 save oppys going back to 2010. So there's that.

[steve dave]

also frasor vs everyone else in the 9th. frasor has done it before. he's saved over 30 games in his career. idk. he's a vet. a pro. he's done it before.

FWIW, Frasor has blown his last 12 save oppys going back to 2010. So there's that.

 

[Dr Rick Daris]

Lbbiq here, but Holland is paid to close games right?  Like, it's his job to pitch 1 inning, 3-5 times a week?

he has pitched in 16 of the last 27 games. that is 60%. that is too much. it can't keep up. although i guess one could argue that our winning also can't keep this pace and makes this whole discussion one that is probably not even worth having so i'll stop. go royals. ftb.

[kso_FAN]

Lbbiq here, but Holland is paid to close games right?  Like, it's his job to pitch 1 inning, 3-5 times a week?

he has pitched in 16 of the last 27 games. that is 60%. that is too much. it can't keep up. although i guess one could argue that our winning also can't keep this pace and makes this whole discussion one that is probably not even worth having so i'll stop. go royals. ftb.

Its a good discussion. Yes, 60% is too much, but the fact that we've won 81% of those games is ridiculous. Just nuts.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

i think a lot of times we are sluts to the save stat. up 3 gets you a save in the 9th. great... but does it have to be holland? i mean, i dont think we need to throw holland every single time. i understand you want to do the same thing over and over again so you get a rhythm, but it seems silly to throw holland in 3 run games. hes really good. lets save him for when were up 1 run. there are guys who can go out there and get 3 outs without giving up 3 runs. theyre mlb pitchers.

[Dr Rick Daris]

also frasor vs everyone else in the 9th. frasor has done it before. he's saved over 30 games in his career. idk. he's a vet. a pro. he's done it before.

FWIW, Frasor has blown his last 12 save oppys going back to 2010. So there's that.

holy crap seriously? lol. disregard everything i say in this thread moving forward then i guess. 

[420seriouscat69]

rank the pen due to your confidence levels. Here's mine:

Holland
Wade
Herrera
.
.
.
.
Crow
Frasor
Bueno
.
.
.
Chen

Who would you bring up in the minors?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/kc/kansas-city-royals

Collins?
Coleman?
Woods?
mariot?

 

[kso_FAN]

rank the pen due to your confidence levels. Here's mine:

Holland
Wade
Herrera
.
.
.
.
Crow
Frasor
Bueno

Who would you bring up in the minors?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/kc/kansas-city-royals

Collins?
Coleman?
Woods?
mariot?

 

Holland
Wade
.
Herrera
.
.
Bueno
.
.
.
.
Frasor/Crow

[Dr Rick Daris]

Lbbiq here, but Holland is paid to close games right?  Like, it's his job to pitch 1 inning, 3-5 times a week?

he has pitched in 16 of the last 27 games. that is 60%. that is too much. it can't keep up. although i guess one could argue that our winning also can't keep this pace and makes this whole discussion one that is probably not even worth having so i'll stop. go royals. ftb.

Its a good discussion. Yes, 60% is too much, but the fact that we've won 81% of those games is ridiculous. Just nuts.

yeah. that's what i was trying to say. basically the problem (if there is one) will take care of itself because the royals won't keep winning at this pace. what a month. wow. so many wins it's kind of hard to see straight.

[420seriouscat69]

I forgot Chen. He's purely an innings eater if Gutherie/Ventura has a bad outing.

[slucat]

Lbbiq here, but Holland is paid to close games right?  Like, it's his job to pitch 1 inning, 3-5 times a week?

he has pitched in 16 of the last 27 games. that is 60%. that is too much. it can't keep up. although i guess one could argue that our winning also can't keep this pace and makes this whole discussion one that is probably not even worth having so i'll stop. go royals. ftb.

Sorry for LBBIQ but, why is this too much?  He throws like 12 pitches.  Sometimes I wonder why Davis can't pitch the 8th and 9th.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

yeah. that's what i was trying to say. basically the problem (if there is one) will take care of itself because the royals won't keep winning at this pace. what a month. wow. so many wins $1.50 bud lights it's kind of hard to see straight.

FYP?

[Dr Rick Daris]

Lbbiq here, but Holland is paid to close games right?  Like, it's his job to pitch 1 inning, 3-5 times a week?

he has pitched in 16 of the last 27 games. that is 60%. that is too much. it can't keep up. although i guess one could argue that our winning also can't keep this pace and makes this whole discussion one that is probably not even worth having so i'll stop. go royals. ftb.

Sorry for LBBIQ but, why is this too much?  He throws like 12 pitches.  Sometimes I wonder why Davis can't pitch the 8th and 9th.

it's 12 pitches of max effort though and he warms up hard to go throw those. 60% of games would be 96 in a season. it's just too much. odds are it's going to catch up to you and you would hurt him/dead arm him and he wouldn't be playing or be as effective if he was. human body, anatomy, etc.

[pissclams]

maybe i'm being weird nitpicky just to find something. idk. maybe i'd be doing the same thing in his situ. i just don't want to lose tomorrow because we had to be 100% to win today instead of 97%. does that even make sense?

also frasor vs everyone else in the 9th. frasor has done it before. he's saved over 30 games in his career. idk. he's a vet. a pro. he's done it before.

i don't understand the "i'd rather win tomorrow rather than today" argument that you're making.
if you're up 2-3 pts today, you put the best closer in baseball on the mound and take the win today.
cross tomorrow's bridge if and when you get to it.

[TownieCat]

rank the pen due to your confidence levels. Here's mine:

Holland
Wade
Herrera
.
.
.
.
Crow
Frasor
Bueno
.
.
.
Chen

Who would you bring up in the minors?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/kc/kansas-city-royals

Collins?
Coleman?
Woods?
mariot?

 

Wade
Holland
.
Herrera
.
Crow
.
.
.
Frasor
Bueno

Am I the only one more confident in a guy who has given up 1 ER in the last 4 months? Holland is the closer, but Wade pitching a scoreless 8th is as close to a sure thing as there is in baseball.

[Dr Rick Daris]

petro and whoever are talking about it now and agree w/ me fwiw.

[steve dave]

petro and whoever are talking about it now and agree w/ me fwiw.

wacky, case closed this thing

[sys]

i don't think it's a cumulative overuse thing so much as pitching consecutive days thing.  someone on a radio or podcast or maybe a writer said that holland is much less effective throwing the third consecutive day.  he acted like he had data to back that up.  also i think that's kinda standard for most relievers.

today would be his third consecutive day.  but tomorrow is off.  it's great to conserve the pitchers and it's important and all that.  but a win today is worth a lot more than a fresh arm tomorrow.

it does suck that the dropoff from the top 3 relievers to the next tier is so great.  although recent events may be unfairly coloring our thoughts on frasor, bueno and crow.  they're not bad.  and i still like chen.  i'd be happy to see him get more meaningful innings.

[420seriouscat69]

petro and whoever are talking about it now and agree w/ me fwiw.

wacky, case closed this thing

CASE CLOSED!

[kso_FAN]

i don't think it's a cumulative overuse thing so much as pitching consecutive days thing.  someone on a radio or podcast or maybe a writer said that holland is much less effective throwing the third consecutive day.  he acted like he had data to back that up.  also i think that's kinda standard for most relievers.

today would be his third consecutive day.  but tomorrow is off.  it's great to conserve the pitchers and it's important and all that.  but a win today is worth a lot more than a fresh arm tomorrow.

it does suck that the dropoff from the top 3 relievers to the next tier is so great.  although recent events may be unfairly coloring our thoughts on frasor, bueno and crow.  they're not bad.  and i still like chen.  i'd be happy to see him get more meaningful innings.

This. The Roys don't have nearly big enough lead in the central or WC to play for tomorrow.

I'll say again, I think everyone would all be a lot more pissed if Ned didn't pitch HDH and we lost a game. A lot more.

[420seriouscat69]

Just as much as it scares you guys that Holland and Wade pitch so many days in a row, I worry about the opposite as a pen guy at times. The longer time you're off from pitching, the more the cobwebs take over. I was really worried about this when we were losing so many games out of the break.

[mocat]

Mariot was way better than Collins. And I still like Bueno. Big whoop, he gave up a HR in Coors field

[8manpick]

Great closers on good teams usually pitch about 40-45% of their team's games. It makes sense that they would pitch slightly more in a winning streak. He has pitched in 59% of the last 27 games, but we have won 81% of those. Closer use obviously correlates with win %. As we come back closer to reality, so will Holland's appearance rate. His rate for the year in 41.6%.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Mariot was way better than Collins. And I still like Bueno. Big whoop, he gave up a HR in Coors field

Yeah, Bueno is good.