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« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2010, 09:51:33 AM »
This thread is still going on  :flush:

Mods! Anyway to just block threads or AzCat shrugged altogether

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« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2010, 09:57:05 AM »
I was on a long car ride a few months back.  It was right after the NAACP came out and said that the Tea Party was racist.  They had two people on NPR (I normally don't listen because I find it painfully boring, but came across this and thought I'd continue to tune in, when I realized what a joke it was I turned it off) "debating" whether or not the Tea Party was racist.  Well, this wasn't really a debate, but two people agreeing that the whole group of people were either overtly or intrinsically racist.  I do not know if either were fired, but based on recent NPR policy decisions, I think they probably should be, ya know to be fair.

Juan Williams should sue NPR for wrongful termination (assuming his contract allows it) and hire some shyster to drag out the legal process and cause NPR to lose thousands of dollars in Litigation expenses.  Of course the whole thing would be covered closely by the highest rated cable news channel (and completely ignored elsewhere) and create a lot of negative PR for NPR.  Horrible business decision for a not-for-profit that prides itself on its "integrity".

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« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2010, 01:24:27 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

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« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2010, 05:30:19 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

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« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2010, 10:56:44 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job. Even though I'd be rightfully fired for volunteering for a political campaign on the weekend.

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« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2010, 11:07:19 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job. Even though I'd be rightfully fired for volunteering for a political campaign on the weekend.

Hint:


<-------Not Sugar Dick

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« Reply #81 on: October 26, 2010, 11:15:30 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job. Even though I'd be rightfully fired for volunteering for a political campaign on the weekend.

Hint:


<-------Not Sugar Dick

Oops, sorry. My apologies to you both. But just so we're clear, you believe it's totally OK for me to volunteer for a political campaign, and then go to work on Monday as an objective journalist. And my employer can't fire me because it receives funding from the government.

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« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2010, 11:26:33 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

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« Reply #83 on: October 26, 2010, 11:56:17 AM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

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« Reply #84 on: October 26, 2010, 12:04:40 PM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

He was fired because he doesn't fit in with Soros' vision of NPR.

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« Reply #85 on: October 26, 2010, 12:19:19 PM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

All I said was that I heard people who work for NPR expressing bigoted (and unproven claims as if they were fact) remarks and they weren't fired.  However, JW does it once and gets canned (obviously b/c they didn't like this type of so-called bigotry).  Therefore, in my opinion, it's not fair to hold JW to a different standard than lib bigots and he should take legal action if possible.  

I personally think anybody should be allowed to hire/fire/work-with/work-for/contract/sub-contract anybody they damn well please without any outside involvement or criticism.  Unfortunately, that's not how it works.  Just like it's unfortunate that people get nervous when they sit next to a guy that looks like the guy that flew a 757 into the twin towers.  

It's called the real world.  

People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2010, 12:28:11 PM »
People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2010, 01:15:33 PM »
People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me.

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I see a thin mustache on a white guy wearing a stained undershirt with greasy hair driving an el camino near a playground.  Who do I see?
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« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2010, 01:17:29 PM »
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People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).


I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.


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« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2010, 01:27:48 PM »
People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me.

:deep:

I see a thin mustache on a white guy wearing a stained undershirt with greasy hair driving an el camino near a playground.  Who do I see?

ok_cat!

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« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2010, 01:31:04 PM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

All I said was that I heard people who work for NPR expressing bigoted (and unproven claims as if they were fact) remarks and they weren't fired.  However, JW does it once and gets canned (obviously b/c they didn't like this type of so-called bigotry).  Therefore, in my opinion, it's not fair to hold JW to a different standard than lib bigots and he should take legal action if possible.  

I personally think anybody should be allowed to hire/fire/work-with/work-for/contract/sub-contract anybody they damn well please without any outside involvement or criticism.  Unfortunately, that's not how it works.  Just like it's unfortunate that people get nervous when they sit next to a guy that looks like the guy that flew a 757 into the twin towers.  

It's called the real world.  

People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

 :cheers:

So do you crap your pants when you see a white guy driving a U-Haul?

Also, please provide some links for all of the bigots working at NPR. Maybe a podcast or something. Might really bolster your cause here.

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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2010, 02:32:11 PM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

All I said was that I heard people who work for NPR expressing bigoted (and unproven claims as if they were fact) remarks and they weren't fired.  However, JW does it once and gets canned (obviously b/c they didn't like this type of so-called bigotry).  Therefore, in my opinion, it's not fair to hold JW to a different standard than lib bigots and he should take legal action if possible.  

I personally think anybody should be allowed to hire/fire/work-with/work-for/contract/sub-contract anybody they damn well please without any outside involvement or criticism.  Unfortunately, that's not how it works.  Just like it's unfortunate that people get nervous when they sit next to a guy that looks like the guy that flew a 757 into the twin towers.  

It's called the real world.  

People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

 :cheers:

So do you crap your pants when you see a white guy driving a U-Haul?

Also, please provide some links for all of the bigots working at NPR. Maybe a podcast or something. Might really bolster your cause here.

It was a Ryder truck, dumbass.

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« Reply #92 on: October 26, 2010, 02:43:45 PM »
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People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).


I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.



people are more afraid to fly than drive

I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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« Reply #93 on: October 26, 2010, 02:45:09 PM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

All I said was that I heard people who work for NPR expressing bigoted (and unproven claims as if they were fact) remarks and they weren't fired.  However, JW does it once and gets canned (obviously b/c they didn't like this type of so-called bigotry).  Therefore, in my opinion, it's not fair to hold JW to a different standard than lib bigots and he should take legal action if possible.  

I personally think anybody should be allowed to hire/fire/work-with/work-for/contract/sub-contract anybody they damn well please without any outside involvement or criticism.  Unfortunately, that's not how it works.  Just like it's unfortunate that people get nervous when they sit next to a guy that looks like the guy that flew a 757 into the twin towers.  

It's called the real world.  

People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

 :cheers:

So do you cac your pants when you see a white guy driving a U-Haul?

Also, please provide some links for all of the bigots working at NPR. Maybe a podcast or something. Might really bolster your cause here.

Is the U-Haul parked illegally in front of a federal building?  Is the guy walking/fleeing from the U-Haul?  Does he have a crew cut?

I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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« Reply #94 on: October 26, 2010, 02:46:21 PM »
People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

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Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me.

:deep:

I see a thin mustache on a white guy wearing a stained undershirt with greasy hair driving an el camino near a playground.  Who do I see?

ok_cat!

What do I win?

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« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2010, 02:56:50 PM »
You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Every single newspaper of record in this country receives government funding, by law.

So?  Who's calling for them to be silenced?  :dunno:

Well apparently Sugar Dick believes that newspapers can't fire journalists for their actions when not on the job.

Why do the libs on this board insist on pulling everything out of context  :facepalm:

Juan Williams was employed by NPR as a news analyst to provide objective comment on various topics. Juan Williams, through being honest, compromised any objectivity he could have on a pretty important topic that is covered almost daily in the media. This is why most news organizations have strict policies about personal conduct outside the office.

Look, I applaud Williams for speaking the truth about his own knee-jerk fears and how he admitted they were wrong. That's a brave thing to do. But he is also well aware that NPR wasn't exactly pleased that he was going on other shows and providing those shows with the same analysis he was supposed to be doing for NPR, or providing his personal views thus giving him less and less credibility as an objective voice for NPR.

That factored in with a terrible soundbite led to his dismissal.

To say that NPR doesn't have the right to fire an employee for personal conduct on personal time when it compromises one of his chief duties -- being objective -- simply because NPR receives about 2 percent of its funding from the government is asinine.

All I said was that I heard people who work for NPR expressing bigoted (and unproven claims as if they were fact) remarks and they weren't fired.  However, JW does it once and gets canned (obviously b/c they didn't like this type of so-called bigotry).  Therefore, in my opinion, it's not fair to hold JW to a different standard than lib bigots and he should take legal action if possible.  

I personally think anybody should be allowed to hire/fire/work-with/work-for/contract/sub-contract anybody they damn well please without any outside involvement or criticism.  Unfortunately, that's not how it works.  Just like it's unfortunate that people get nervous when they sit next to a guy that looks like the guy that flew a 757 into the twin towers.  

It's called the real world.  

People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

 :cheers:

So do you crap your pants when you see a white guy driving a U-Haul?

Also, please provide some links for all of the bigots working at NPR. Maybe a podcast or something. Might really bolster your cause here.


It was a Ryder truck, dumbass.


True, branding makes all the difference. I shouldn't have to worry about being hijacked on a Southwest flight. Might as well no even have security measures for those flights.

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« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2010, 03:03:03 PM »
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People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).


I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.

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people are more afraid to fly than drive

If you can acknowledge this then certainly my above example is no stretch. Why don't you admit that those who see a muslim on an airplane and think terrorist are attaching nebulous fear to what is undoubtedly a harmless and benign situation?




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« Reply #97 on: October 26, 2010, 03:13:20 PM »
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People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).


I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.

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people are more afraid to fly than drive

If you can acknowledge this then certainly my above example is no stretch. Why don't you admit that those who see a muslim on an airplane and think terrorist are attaching nebulous fear to what is undoubtedly a harmless and benign situation?





I admit the risk is low. 

But, I don't fault people for being concerned for their own safety.  Maybe a .000019% chance of sitting next to a terrorist is more than most people are comfortable with.  Just like flying v. driving, people feel safer when they think they're in control of the situation.

Not to be nitpicky, but all 1.3 billion muslims aren't flying out of US terminals, so your argument is false.  I'm not sure what the percentage is, but Muslim (not an appearance, a religion not a race) is not 1/5 1/6 of the US population like it is world-wide.

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« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2010, 03:24:35 PM »
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People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).


I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.

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people are more afraid to fly than drive

If you can acknowledge this then certainly my above example is no stretch. Why don't you admit that those who see a muslim on an airplane and think terrorist are attaching nebulous fear to what is undoubtedly a harmless and benign situation?





I admit the risk is low. 

But, I don't fault people for being concerned for their own safety.  Maybe a .000019% chance of sitting next to a terrorist is more than most people are comfortable with.  Just like flying v. driving, people feel safer when they think they're in control of the situation.

Not to be nitpicky, but all 1.3 billion muslims aren't flying out of US terminals, so your argument is false.  I'm not sure what the percentage is, but Muslim (not an appearance, a religion not a race) is not 1/5 1/6 of the US population like it is world-wide.


Great, that's all I wanted was an agreement on that.

And concerning the argument, I estimated high intentionally. The number of terrorists could have been 20 - the total amount of radicals who have actually used terrorism as a tactic in the US (19 hijackers + original WTC bomber). 20 known terrorists out of the nearly 2.5 million Muslims in the United States is an even lower probability, .000008 %.


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« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2010, 05:39:54 PM »
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People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).


I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.

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people are more afraid to fly than drive

If you can acknowledge this then certainly my above example is no stretch. Why don't you admit that those who see a muslim on an airplane and think terrorist are attaching nebulous fear to what is undoubtedly a harmless and benign situation?





I admit the risk is low. 

But, I don't fault people for being concerned for their own safety.  Maybe a .000019% chance of sitting next to a terrorist is more than most people are comfortable with.  Just like flying v. driving, people feel safer when they think they're in control of the situation.

Not to be nitpicky, but all 1.3 billion muslims aren't flying out of US terminals, so your argument is false.  I'm not sure what the percentage is, but Muslim (not an appearance, a religion not a race) is not 1/5 1/6 of the US population like it is world-wide.


Great, that's all I wanted was an agreement on that.

And concerning the argument, I estimated high intentionally. The number of terrorists could have been 20 - the total amount of radicals who have actually used terrorism as a tactic in the US (19 hijackers + original WTC bomber). 20 known terrorists out of the nearly 2.5 million Muslims in the United States is an even lower probability, .000008 %.



Never mind the Times Square bomber, the Ft Hood shooter, those guys that tried raiding the front gate of a military base a few years ago, and numerous others that have been caught before doing anything, including the one that was just convicted last week for trying to set one off in Dallas, only to realize too late that it was a fake bomb provided by the FBI.