O'Donnell (O'Donnell Bush Master Thread)

[Paul Moscow]

People are forced to make judgments about other people based on appearance because people don't know every single person on the globe personally(aka "stereotyping" or "profiling").  They do this for their own safety not to alienate or harm a class of people.  People have an idea of what certain types of bad people look like based on bad things they've seen and what the people doing the bad things look like.  It's not condemnable behavior, unless your an elitist lib who lives in an ivory tower and never interacts with the common-folk.  Call it what you want, bigotry, street-smarts, profiling, stereotyping, common-sense, not-being-ignorant, it's the world we live in.  And no, I'm not advocating this type of behavior, just explaining it (this paragraph will soon be redacted in part in a reply to this statement in some weak effort to make me look like a bigot).

I don't think people stereotype as a survival mechanism. Perhaps they do, and unless there's been a study done I can't point to anything that would prove you wrong. But, let's assume that this is what we are doing though for arguments sake. One difference between us and apes is that we have developed brains capable of critical thinking. We are creatures of logic. This allows us to discern threats that are well-founded from threats that are benign. And logic tells you that any one muslim you encounter chances of being a terrorist couldn't even be described as miniscule. It is truly not worth even considering.

Checked homework:
1.3 billion muslims in the world with a generous estimation of 25,000 with the desire and means of carrying out a terrorist attack in the United States Leaving a .000019% chance that any one muslim you encounter as a terrorist.

people are more afraid to fly than drive

If you can acknowledge this then certainly my above example is no stretch. Why don't you admit that those who see a muslim on an airplane and think terrorist are attaching nebulous fear to what is undoubtedly a harmless and benign situation?

I admit the risk is low.  

But, I don't fault people for being concerned for their own safety.  Maybe a .000019% chance of sitting next to a terrorist is more than most people are comfortable with.  Just like flying v. driving, people feel safer when they think they're in control of the situation.

Not to be nitpicky, but all 1.3 billion muslims aren't flying out of US terminals, so your argument is false.  I'm not sure what the percentage is, but Muslim (not an appearance, a religion not a race) is not 1/5 1/6 of the US population like it is world-wide.

Great, that's all I wanted was an agreement on that.

And concerning the argument, I estimated high intentionally. The number of terrorists could have been 20 - the total amount of radicals who have actually used terrorism as a tactic in the US (19 hijackers + original WTC bomber). 20 known terrorists out of the nearly 2.5 million Muslims in the United States is an even lower probability, .000008 %.

Never mind the Times Square bomber, the Ft Hood shooter, those guys that tried raiding the front gate of a military base a few years ago, and numerous others that have been caught before doing anything, including the one that was just convicted last week for trying to set one off in Dallas, only to realize too late that it was a fake bomb provided by the FBI.

This is part of my point. While the amount of persons willing to attack the United States has probably increased since 9/11 (a separate discussion, yet not really disputed by those whose opinions are respected) there has not been a successful attack since. The likelihood of a person planning and obtaining the means are incredibly small. Even unlikelier than that, obviously, is the actual execution - a percentage approaching immeasurable. We are talking a number that is hard for the human brain to even conceptualize. Yet we have this inflated fear? Why?

If you want to add the Fort Hood shooter's actions as terrorism (Al-Qaeda surely wants to make him into a hero and model) and not a mass murder (the pentagon mentioned nothing of Jihad in their report)  then fine.    

21 out of 2.5 million .000008%

[mortons toe]

I'm still waiting to see mass demonstrations condemning extremist Islamic activity... 

[Paul Moscow]

I'm still waiting to see mass demonstrations condemning extremist Islamic activity...  

About as absurd as me demanding your participation in mass demonstrations condemning the Ku Klux Klan or the Westboro Church.

When the Klan committed terrorist acts across the United States, particularly in the 60's, no one identified them as Christian Fundamentalists although they identified themselves as a Christian movement. Although they insisted upon their Christianity no one asked for Christians to march against them because terrorism was regarded as a basic violation of Christian principles. Are you telling me that Muslims aren't worthy of the same respect?


I shouldn't do this either but here you go,
From September 12, 2001

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2002/08/Muslim-World-Condemns-Attacks-On-U-S.aspx

57 Muslim States, represented by the most influential Muslim Clerics in the world who make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference have denounced 9/11 and all subsequent terrorist acts across the world since.

[Jeffy]

I'm still waiting to see mass demonstrations condemning extremist Islamic activity...  

About as absurd as me demanding your participation in mass demonstrations condemning the Ku Klux Klan or the Westboro Church.

When the Klan committed terrorist acts across the United States, particularly in the 60's, no one identified them as Christian Fundamentalists although they identified themselves as a Christian movement. Although they insisted upon their Christianity no one asked for Christians to march against them because terrorism was regarded as a basic violation of Christian principles. Are you telling me that Muslims aren't worthy of the same respect?


I shouldn't do this either but here you go,
From September 12, 2001

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2002/08/Muslim-World-Condemns-Attacks-On-U-S.aspx

57 Muslim States, represented by the most influential Muslim Clerics in the world who make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference have denounced 9/11 and all subsequent terrorist acts across the world since.

57 Muslim states?  Ohhhhh..... So that's where Obama got it!!  Hmmmmmm.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I'm still waiting to see mass demonstrations condemning extremist Islamic activity...  

About as absurd as me demanding your participation in mass demonstrations condemning the Ku Klux Klan or the Westboro Church.

When the Klan committed terrorist acts across the United States, particularly in the 60's, no one identified them as Christian Fundamentalists although they identified themselves as a Christian movement. Although they insisted upon their Christianity no one asked for Christians to march against them because terrorism was regarded as a basic violation of Christian principles. Are you telling me that Muslims aren't worthy of the same respect?


I shouldn't do this either but here you go,
From September 12, 2001

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2002/08/Muslim-World-Condemns-Attacks-On-U-S.aspx

57 Muslim States, represented by the most influential Muslim Clerics in the world who make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference have denounced 9/11 and all subsequent terrorist acts across the world since.

57 Muslim states?  Ohhhhh..... So that's where Obama got it!!  Hmmmmmm.

I thought the exact same thing.....Freudian slip.

[Sugar Dick]

I don't get why the whole Dallas bomb thing got buried in the news (essentially unreported outside of Dallas).  That was a serious sting, and if the guy hadn't been buying from the FBI would have killed thousands of people.

[06wildcat]

I don't get why the whole Dallas bomb thing got buried in the news (essentially unreported outside of Dallas).  That was a serious sting, and if the guy hadn't been buying from the FBI would have killed thousands of people.

We ran a few stories on it at our small daily paper, always inside and usually the first third of the AP article. Part of it is there wasn't any blood (as much as readers claim to want to see positive news, they don't) and the other thing is that no one really wants to read a long article on the FBI doing its job. If the 9/11 hijackers had been busted by the FBI in August, with Congress on recess, the entire story might have lasted 72 hours. Then a year or two later the trials might get an additional 24 hours total.

[mortons toe]

I'm still waiting to see mass demonstrations condemning extremist Islamic activity...  

About as absurd as me demanding your participation in mass demonstrations condemning the Ku Klux Klan or the Westboro Church.

When the Klan committed terrorist acts across the United States, particularly in the 60's, no one identified them as Christian Fundamentalists although they identified themselves as a Christian movement. Although they insisted upon their Christianity no one asked for Christians to march against them because terrorism was regarded as a basic violation of Christian principles. Are you telling me that Muslims aren't worthy of the same respect?


I shouldn't do this either but here you go,
From September 12, 2001

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2002/08/Muslim-World-Condemns-Attacks-On-U-S.aspx

57 Muslim States, represented by the most influential Muslim Clerics in the world who make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference have denounced 9/11 and all subsequent terrorist acts across the world since.

is a direct dispute to your guesstamations. The whole thing is a fabulous source to what is closer to reality than most like to admit!

[Rage Against the McKee]

So, that Christine O'Donnell sure is stupid, huh guys?

[LickNeckey]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

[LickNeckey]

and for good measure this isn't very ladylike

http://gawker.com/5674353/i-had-a-one+night-stand-with-christine-odonnell?skyline=true&s=i

[Jeffy]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

Unlike lefties, she called and apologized.

BTW... Why do they have a pic of Monica Lewinsky on that page?


And are you demanding that our politicians be held to a high moral standard?  That's not very liberal-like.

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

Unlike lefties, she called and apologized.

BTW... Why do they have a pic of Monica Lewinsky on that page?


And are you demanding that our politicians be held to a high moral standard?  That's not very liberal-like.

When you run on morals, you should be held to a higher moral standard.

[Sugar Dick]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

Unlike lefties, she called and apologized.

BTW... Why do they have a pic of Monica Lewinsky on that page?


And are you demanding that our politicians be held to a high moral standard?  That's not very liberal-like.

When you run on morals, you should be held to a higher moral standard.

if you have no morals, then isn't the regular non-higher moral standard still not met?

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

Unlike lefties, she called and apologized.

BTW... Why do they have a pic of Monica Lewinsky on that page?


And are you demanding that our politicians be held to a high moral standard?  That's not very liberal-like.

When you run on morals, you should be held to a higher moral standard.

if you have no morals, then isn't the regular non-higher moral standard still not met?

Who are you referring to here?

[Sugar Dick]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

Unlike lefties, she called and apologized.

BTW... Why do they have a pic of Monica Lewinsky on that page?


And are you demanding that our politicians be held to a high moral standard?  That's not very liberal-like.

When you run on morals, you should be held to a higher moral standard.

if you have no morals, then isn't the regular non-higher moral standard still not met?

Who are you referring to here?

Just trying to figure this out.  If you run on morals, then you should be held to a higher moral standard --> presume than:  If you don't run on morals, your are held to a simple/regular moral standard --> begs the question:  If you have no morals, then how can you meet either standard?

Regardless, does anyone on here actually live in f*cking Delaware, or wherever this race is being contested?  I'm sure some of the libtards have mailed a handful of absentee ballots over there, but I'm talking about someone who is LEGALLY allowed to vote there.

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/?iref=allsearch

damn that amendment anyway

Unlike lefties, she called and apologized.

BTW... Why do they have a pic of Monica Lewinsky on that page?


And are you demanding that our politicians be held to a high moral standard?  That's not very liberal-like.

When you run on morals, you should be held to a higher moral standard.

if you have no morals, then isn't the regular non-higher moral standard still not met?

Who are you referring to here?

Just trying to figure this out.  If you run on morals, then you should be held to a higher moral standard --> presume than:  If you don't run on morals, your are held to a simple/regular moral standard --> begs the question:  If you have no morals, then how can you meet either standard?

Regardless, does anyone on here actually live in f*cking Delaware, or wherever this race is being contested?  I'm sure some of the libtards have mailed a handful of absentee ballots over there, but I'm talking about someone who is LEGALLY allowed to vote there.

I doubt anybody on this board lives in Delaware, but it is never a bad idea to be familiar with big-name candidates because they could eventually be a presidential/vice-presidential candidate. Regardless of the outcome, I do hope that Christine O'Donnell stays in the news because her clips are absolute gems.

[Sugar Dick]

I'm still waiting to see mass demonstrations condemning extremist Islamic activity...  

About as absurd as me demanding your participation in mass demonstrations condemning the Ku Klux Klan or the Westboro Church.

When the Klan committed terrorist acts across the United States, particularly in the 60's, no one identified them as Christian Fundamentalists although they identified themselves as a Christian movement. Although they insisted upon their Christianity no one asked for Christians to march against them because terrorism was regarded as a basic violation of Christian principles. Are you telling me that Muslims aren't worthy of the same respect?


I shouldn't do this either but here you go,
From September 12, 2001

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2002/08/Muslim-World-Condemns-Attacks-On-U-S.aspx

57 Muslim States, represented by the most influential Muslim Clerics in the world who make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference have denounced 9/11 and all subsequent terrorist acts across the world since.

is a direct dispute to your guesstamations. The whole thing is a fabulous source to what is closer to reality than most like to admit!

Wow just watched that.  "Estimate of 10-15% of muslims worldwide support terrorist organizations. . . . Many more hate americans and zionists."

10-15% would be over half the U.S. population.

I would have guessed several hundred thousand, not 200 million

 

[OregonSmock]

You're right, we shouldn't care if voices are silenced because they may or may not be offensive to one group or another while other people say things equally or more virulent and are retained, particularly from an institution that receives government funding.

Do you think Fred Phelps would still have a job if he was an elementary school teacher?

[steve dave]

When her underwear came off, I immediately noticed that the waxing trend had completely passed her by.

OMG LOL

[Rage Against the McKee]

When her underwear came off, I immediately noticed that the waxing trend had completely passed her by.

OMG LOL

Yes, that was amazing. We should be calling her Sasquatch O'Donnell.

[Prince McJunkins]

and for good measure this isn't very ladylike

http://gawker.com/5674353/i-had-a-one+night-stand-with-christine-odonnell?skyline=true&s=i

I bet this actually ends up helping her chances.

[Sugar Dick]

and for good measure this isn't very ladylike

http://gawker.com/5674353/i-had-a-one+night-stand-with-christine-odonnell?skyline=true&s=i

I bet this actually ends up helping her chances.

The stories like that in Penthouse are waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy better 

[steve dave]

If she does any more debates every talking point should begin and end with a jab about that.  "Well, Christine, it appears you've spent about as much time researching supreme court decisions as you've spent KEEPING YOU BUSINESS CLEAN! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[Sugar Dick]

Christine and Crystal Ball should make a softcore.  Christine will have to come up with a porno name, Crystal's got it covered