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« Reply #1975 on: December 31, 2012, 01:12:26 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.
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« Reply #1976 on: December 31, 2012, 01:18:01 PM »
I don't want to see the Chiefs oscar Webber this hire.  Fired coaches (especially in the NFL) need to take a year or two sabbatical before becoming a head coach.  I like Andy Reid, but I don't like him as a head coach for anyone in 2013.  Smith's firing was unfortunate.  He missed the playoffs at 10-6, and his QB is a piece of crap.  That being said, I also wouldn't want Smith in 2013 right after he has been fired.

The Chiefs need fresh eyes and someone that can change the morale immediately.  A just-fired coach can not do that. 
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« Reply #1977 on: December 31, 2012, 01:29:17 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.

The Skins will probably want too much for Cousins.  They've got a legit backup QB for the next three years and only have to pay him 4th round money.  With Griffin's style of play, a backup QB could be very valuable in the future.

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« Reply #1978 on: December 31, 2012, 01:37:01 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.

The Skins will probably want too much for Cousins.  They've got a legit backup QB for the next three years and only have to pay him 4th round money.  With Griffin's style of play, a backup QB could be very valuable in the future.

I'm happy with settling for Alex Smith and drafting someone in the 2nd. 

Probably going to catch some heat on this, but I wouldn't even mind seeing Vick come home (cause he was in prison at Leavenworth...haha get it?) and battle for a starting QB position with a 2nd round draft pick or Alex Smith.  Vick is injury prone, but has a ton of talent and is great when he has more than a 1/2 second to throw the ball.  Felt bad for him this year.  Horrible O-Line. 
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Re: CHIEFS
« Reply #1979 on: December 31, 2012, 02:45:31 PM »
Name #1 For Cheifs -> Keith Armstrong

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Re: CHIEFS
« Reply #1980 on: December 31, 2012, 02:48:20 PM »
Looks (unfortunately) like a Rooney rule interview for both the Chiefs and Bears.

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« Reply #1981 on: December 31, 2012, 02:52:21 PM »
Why is Brady Quinn still on any NFL roster, let alone starting for the Chiefs?  He is the worst QB I can remember.

Brodie Croyle was dog crap. I think Croyle & Quinn are tied for the worst.

I disagree. Quinn has actually won a game as a starting QB.

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« Reply #1982 on: December 31, 2012, 03:01:35 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.

The Skins will probably want too much for Cousins.  They've got a legit backup QB for the next three years and only have to pay him 4th round money.  With Griffin's style of play, a backup QB could be very valuable in the future.

I'm happy with settling for Alex Smith and drafting someone in the 2nd. 

Probably going to catch some heat on this, but I wouldn't even mind seeing Vick come home (cause he was in prison at Leavenworth...haha get it?) and battle for a starting QB position with a 2nd round draft pick or Alex Smith.  Vick is injury prone, but has a ton of talent and is great when he has more than a 1/2 second to throw the ball.  Felt bad for him this year.  Horrible O-Line.

Would take Vick. I used to want Geno but now he is meh imo.

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« Reply #1983 on: December 31, 2012, 03:08:01 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.

The Skins will probably want too much for Cousins.  They've got a legit backup QB for the next three years and only have to pay him 4th round money.  With Griffin's style of play, a backup QB could be very valuable in the future.

I'm happy with settling for Alex Smith and drafting someone in the 2nd. 

Probably going to catch some heat on this, but I wouldn't even mind seeing Vick come home (cause he was in prison at Leavenworth...haha get it?) and battle for a starting QB position with a 2nd round draft pick or Alex Smith.  Vick is injury prone, but has a ton of talent and is great when he has more than a 1/2 second to throw the ball.  Felt bad for him this year.  Horrible O-Line.

Would take Vick. I used to want Geno but now he is meh imo.

Geno has shown no leadership at all this season.  Vick works his ass off, and sadly is forced to throw bad balls because he has no time in the pocket.  We could even get him for the cheap.  He could be solid behind a dependable O-Line. 
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« Reply #1984 on: December 31, 2012, 03:31:42 PM »
I would expect Vick to Arizona.  I hope the Chiefs pick up Flynn on the cheap and draft a QB in the 3rd

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« Reply #1985 on: December 31, 2012, 03:32:06 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.

The Skins will probably want too much for Cousins.  They've got a legit backup QB for the next three years and only have to pay him 4th round money.  With Griffin's style of play, a backup QB could be very valuable in the future.

I'm happy with settling for Alex Smith and drafting someone in the 2nd. 

Probably going to catch some heat on this, but I wouldn't even mind seeing Vick come home (cause he was in prison at Leavenworth...haha get it?) and battle for a starting QB position with a 2nd round draft pick or Alex Smith.  Vick is injury prone, but has a ton of talent and is great when he has more than a 1/2 second to throw the ball.  Felt bad for him this year.  Horrible O-Line.

Would take Vick. I used to want Geno but now he is meh imo.

Geno has shown no leadership at all this season.  Vick works his ass off, and sadly is forced to throw bad balls because he has no time in the pocket.  We could even get him for the cheap.  He could be solid behind a dependable O-Line.
Every qb is solid behind a dependable. O-line.

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« Reply #1986 on: December 31, 2012, 03:33:26 PM »
I would expect Vick to Arizona.  I hope the Chiefs pick up Flynn on the cheap and draft a QB in the 3rd
Cousins and Flynn won't be cheap.  Their starting qbs run too much to not have a capable backup.

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« Reply #1987 on: December 31, 2012, 03:40:49 PM »
I would expect Vick to Arizona.  I hope the Chiefs pick up Flynn on the cheap and draft a QB in the 3rd
Cousins and Flynn won't be cheap.  Their starting qbs run too much to not have a capable backup.

I don't know what they're paying Flynn, but it is somewhat decent money.  May want it off the books.

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« Reply #1988 on: December 31, 2012, 03:53:35 PM »
Grab Alex Smith or Cousins and then draft a QB in early 2nd round.
What do you think you'd have to give up for Cousins?

Still an unproven QB.  Skins will obviously be content with RG3.  So giving the skins another receiver and a draft pick this year or next could bring cousins in.  Skins will have plenty of FA QB's to pick form this next year for backups.

The Skins will probably want too much for Cousins.  They've got a legit backup QB for the next three years and only have to pay him 4th round money.  With Griffin's style of play, a backup QB could be very valuable in the future.

I'm happy with settling for Alex Smith and drafting someone in the 2nd. 

Probably going to catch some heat on this, but I wouldn't even mind seeing Vick come home (cause he was in prison at Leavenworth...haha get it?) and battle for a starting QB position with a 2nd round draft pick or Alex Smith.  Vick is injury prone, but has a ton of talent and is great when he has more than a 1/2 second to throw the ball.  Felt bad for him this year.  Horrible O-Line.

Would take Vick. I used to want Geno but now he is meh imo.

Geno has shown no leadership at all this season.  Vick works his ass off, and sadly is forced to throw bad balls because he has no time in the pocket.  We could even get him for the cheap.  He could be solid behind a dependable O-Line.
Every qb is solid behind a dependable. O-line.

A Mike Vick solid and a Matt Cassel solid are two different caliber of players.   :dubious:
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« Reply #1989 on: December 31, 2012, 04:24:11 PM »
I would expect Vick to Arizona.  I hope the Chiefs pick up Flynn on the cheap and draft a QB in the 3rd
Cousins and Flynn won't be cheap.  Their starting qbs run too much to not have a capable backup.

I don't know what they're paying Flynn, but it is somewhat decent money.  May want it off the books.

3 years/19.5 mil, which is too much to pay a backup.  He's probably easier to get than Cousins, because of the money involved.

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Re: CHIEFS
« Reply #1990 on: December 31, 2012, 06:01:18 PM »
Marty Tirrell ?@martytirrell
Kirk Ferentz to meet with Chiefs Wednesday - #Chiefs #yahoosportsradio

I will literally kill someone if Pioli hires Ferentz.

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« Reply #1991 on: December 31, 2012, 06:01:47 PM »
Pioli isn't doing the hiring.
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« Reply #1992 on: December 31, 2012, 06:06:39 PM »
Pioli isn't doing the hiring.

Makes the kirk thing worse, imo

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Re: CHIEFS
« Reply #1993 on: December 31, 2012, 06:15:04 PM »
Henne?

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« Reply #1994 on: December 31, 2012, 06:24:29 PM »
Pioli isn't doing the hiring.

Makes the kirk thing worse, imo

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Ya.

I listened to the Clark Hunt interview on The Program pod cast.  For the most part, I like what he had to say.  Soren took it easy on him, but generally touched on the themes that we are all pissed off about.  Clark had good answers. 

He clearly stated that the next coach will NOT be subordinate to the GM.  The next coach will report to Clark directly.  Clark said that as a result, he'll handle the hire personally, and that he hasn't finalized changes on the front-office side, but that he wants a "proven winner" as head coach, and that it's important to him that the coach and the GM have a good chemistry.  So, we will see whether that means that the burden is to find a coach that can get along with Piloi, or find a new GM who can get along with Clark's hand picked coach.

To me, it seems pretty clear that Clark is putting the priority on the head coach, and not the GM.  He's elevated the head coach to a direct report (something he said a KC coach hasn't done since the very early days of the franchise), and he's deliberately stated that the front office personnel should not work under the assumption that their jobs are secure.


Now, will a head coach buy it?  Will a head coach want to work in a place where the GM is hated by the fans?  We'll see.  There are probably quite a few narcissistic head coaches out there who would love the built in superiority to the GM.  Though, the most narcissistic of them would want to hire their own GM/front office guys.

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« Reply #1995 on: December 31, 2012, 06:53:47 PM »
Just hire every coach that was fired today.

Lovie Smith - Head Coach
Andy Reid - OC
Romeo - DC
Norv Turner - QB Coach
Pat Shurmur - OL Coach
Whisenhunt - WR Coach
Chan Gailey - RB Coach

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« Reply #1996 on: December 31, 2012, 09:59:54 PM »
I've always wondered what "proven winner" means when it comes to coaching, particularly at the Div 1/NFL level.  Coaches who are proven winners at the highest level already have jobs, unless they retired or something.  If they're available, they either aren't proven winners at the highest level or got fired for failing to win consistently.  When I hear proven winner, I (we?) think of hires like BW.  Just a cop out and a lack of imagination or willingness to assume risk.  No doubt the Chiefs will hire someone at least as boring.

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« Reply #1997 on: December 31, 2012, 10:21:06 PM »
I've always wondered what "proven winner" means when it comes to coaching, particularly at the Div 1/NFL level.  Coaches who are proven winners at the highest level already have jobs, unless they retired or something.  If they're available, they either aren't proven winners at the highest level or got fired for failing to win consistently.  When I hear proven winner, I (we?) think of hires like BW.  Just a cop out and a lack of imagination or willingness to assume risk.  No doubt the Chiefs will hire someone at least as boring.

Reid could be considered a winner.  Lovie Smith?  Fisher, Fox and Shanahan were all fired not too long ago.  I guess a Cowher or Gruden would also qualify but they're not going to KC.

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Re: CHIEFS
« Reply #1998 on: December 31, 2012, 10:36:41 PM »
Wouldn't be surprised to see the new coach come from the group fired today (with the exception of Romeo, of course). As for any other candidates, I'm hoping it isn't Ferentz.

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« Reply #1999 on: January 01, 2013, 09:41:58 AM »
What is the point of the GM if he has no power over anything?