CHIEFS

[sonofdaxjones]

I want the Chiefs to do well, I grew up with the Chiefs.   However they are one of the NFL organizations that just can't seem to put all the pieces together over significantly long periods of time.   With rare exception there's always at least one elephant in the room with a team like the Chiefs, and time and time again their weaknesses get exploited at crunch time even when they have a decent overall team.

In the modern age of NFL football with equal TV sharing, the draft set up, the schedule set up, you have to try pretty hard to be unable to win a single playoff game over an 18 year period. 

Who else is with the Chiefs in that arena?  The Lions maybe?   Even historically lowly organizations like the Saints and the Cardinals have Super Bowl wins/appearences over that stretch.   

[Saulbadguy]

Bengals, Lions. I think that is it.

Agree w/ your statements. I am an apologist and glutton for punishment so I keep lining up for the kick in the balls. 1995 we had home field advantage throughout the playoffs, lost. 1997, same thing, although we lost to the proven cheater Denver Broncos. 2003, 2 home games but couldn't force a punt. 2006 we got extremely lucky to even get in to the playoffs.

Honestly I think they are on the right track, drafting for talent and not loading up on mediocre free agents or getting guys after their prime. I don't see the situation as hopeless as say...the Royals.

[sonofdaxjones]

The one concern is, are the Chiefs and many of its fans like a lot of K-State fans?   Decent to pretty good is good enough?   Just happy to be here??

[Rage Against the McKee]

The one concern is, are the Chiefs and many of its fans like a lot of K-State fans?   Decent to pretty good is good enough?   Just happy to be here??

If that were true, they never would have fired Schottenheimer.

[Saulbadguy]

The one concern is, are the Chiefs and many of its fans like a lot of K-State fans?   Decent to pretty good is good enough?   Just happy to be here??

If that were true, they never would have fired Schottenheimer.

Schotty quit, wasn't really fired.

[kitten_mittons]

What is it?  8 Super Bowl appearences for AFC West teams not named the Chiefs since 1972?

Mellinger's article yesterday pretty much summed up how lucky they Chiefs were last year and brought plenty of clarity to the beat down the Ravens put on them in the playoff game.

Agreed - I think they performed better than most expected them too. Weak schedule was certainly a large portion of that, but they did get notably better at several skill positions...IMO.

RB. . .
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TE?. . .
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S. . .
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1.5 skill positions.

The also "got better" at QB and WR last year.  Bowe was a terror the last 2/3 of the season and Cassell improved from one of the worst QBs to a middle of the pack QB.

Bowe got better, but chambers was pretty solid at the end of the 09 season, didn't do crap during '10.  If they did improve over last year in their receiving corps, it was negligible at best.  Cassel still one of the worst QBs.  Weis playcalling, mixed with having the #1 rushing offense is what made him look better.  His only good play during ravens/chiefs was some fake wr screen then throw to wide open receiver running a post.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's probably too expensive for Chief fans to just "be happy to be here".

Oh, and . . .

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/per-team-spending-minimum-doesnt-apply-until-2013/

The more relevant point, for the next two years, is that teams like the Bucs, Bengals, and Chiefs can choose to stay as far below the salary cap as they want.

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's probably too expensive for Chief fans to just "be happy to be here".

Oh, and . . .

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/per-team-spending-minimum-doesnt-apply-until-2013/

The more relevant point, for the next two years, is that teams like the Bucs, Bengals, and Chiefs can choose to stay as far below the salary cap as they want.

You do realize that NFL teams don't rely on donations from the fans, right? The owners might be cheap, but the fans should take no blame in any professional sport.

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay, but I disagree, so there.

[j-dub]

QB and WR have been glaringly bad going on 35 odd years now. That's the cardinal sin that keeps KC in perpetual "not good enough" state. I think.

2 years of a past his prime Montana. A flash from Andre Rison. A glance here and there of Rich Gannon and Joe Horn. A couple years of Trent Green, but was offset by the league's worst D. At the moment, Bowe is an ascending star if he continues to avoid being stupid. (One could argue for Kenney I suppose. Krieg was okay with Seattle..)

Outside of those guys, I struggle to think of anyone who was ever clearly above average at QB or WR for an extended period of time in their career.

And every single one of those guys, aside from Bowe obviously, played their best ball elsewhere.

Trotting out Robb Thomas, Stephon Paige, Willie Davis, J.J. Birden, Lake Dawson, Derrick Alexander, Marc Boerigter, Johnny Morton, Eddie Kennison and Chris Chambers for two decades will not win you any significant hardware.

Especially, when you have Deberg, Bono, Grbac, Huard, Thigpen and Cassel throwing it to them.

I hope something is done about Cassel, and quickly, or it will be the same sad story once again.

[Rage Against the McKee]

QB and WR have been glaringly bad going on 35 odd years now. That's the cardinal sin that keeps KC in perpetual "not good enough" state. I think.

2 years of a past his prime Montana. A flash from Andre Rison. A glance here and there of Rich Gannon and Joe Horn. A couple years of Trent Green, but was offset by the league's worst D. At the moment, Bowe is an ascending star if he continues to avoid being stupid. (One could argue for Kenney I suppose. Krieg was okay with Seattle..)

Outside of those guys, I struggle to think of anyone who was ever clearly above average at QB or WR for an extended period of time in their career.

And every single one of those guys, aside from Bowe obviously, played their best ball elsewhere.

Trotting out Robb Thomas, Stephon Paige, Willie Davis, J.J. Birden, Lake Dawson, Derrick Alexander, Marc Boerigter, Johnny Morton, Eddie Kennison and Chris Chambers for two decades will not win you any significant hardware.

Especially, when you have Deberg, Bono, Grbac, Huard, Thigpen and Cassel throwing it to them.

I hope something is done about Cassel, and quickly, or it will be the same sad story once again.

I don't think the teams in the 90's had glaring weaknesses. Bono and Grbac had some really good years for the Chiefs. They were mostly very good teams capable of winning the super bowl, but they were choke artists.

[kitten_mittons]

QB and WR have been glaringly bad going on 35 odd years now. That's the cardinal sin that keeps KC in perpetual "not good enough" state. I think.

2 years of a past his prime Montana. A flash from Andre Rison. A glance here and there of Rich Gannon and Joe Horn. A couple years of Trent Green, but was offset by the league's worst D. At the moment, Bowe is an ascending star if he continues to avoid being stupid. (One could argue for Kenney I suppose. Krieg was okay with Seattle..)

Outside of those guys, I struggle to think of anyone who was ever clearly above average at QB or WR for an extended period of time in their career.

And every single one of those guys, aside from Bowe obviously, played their best ball elsewhere.

Trotting out Robb Thomas, Stephon Paige, Willie Davis, J.J. Birden, Lake Dawson, Derrick Alexander, Marc Boerigter, Johnny Morton, Eddie Kennison and Chris Chambers for two decades will not win you any significant hardware.

Especially, when you have Deberg, Bono, Grbac, Huard, Thigpen and Cassel throwing it to them.

I hope something is done about Cassel, and quickly, or it will be the same sad story once again.

I don't think the teams in the 90's had glaring weaknesses. Bono and Grbac had some really good years for the Chiefs. They were mostly very good teams capable of winning the super bowl, but they were choke artists.

Loved when KC had Bono and Grbac.

I am a Broncos fan, so that should tell you if they had any "really good years" or not.

[cas4ksu]

[jtksu]

Interesting that Daxx went with the patented BMW mind trick here to take away from his Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) statement that KC is one of the worst franchises ever.   Also funny how he is now trying to work KSU into the argument.  Guess all fans need to be bitter old men that hate everything about their chosen teams and bitch 24/7 about every single thing about them.    Dax would probably just turn into Supertuck #1 then, because actually agreeing with anyone, on anything seems to be what he hates most.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's the same old spiel out of jtard . . . when he can't stand what reality brings, he lashes out and calls everyone a hater or bitter.

The numbers are the numbers, 18 years, no playoff wins, 11 playoff appearances in the last 39 seasons.   It's pro sports, the Hunts have happily and willingly taken hundreds of millions of dollars from the taxpayers over the last 40 years, plowed into the trough of the richest sports league in the world, where every team is valued in the Top 50 sports teams in the world by Fortune.   For all that, they've repaid their fans with a trophy case full of cobwebs, and they don't even come close to pushing what the minimum salary numbers will have to be.

jt's response, bend me over again Clark, I love it.

[pike]

Whew, hard to take it all in after Dax mops the floor with someone.

Let's see how JT responds.

[jtksu]

Chiefs won their division with a payroll of 75 million.  They decided against making any big signings during last year's silly season and are now in position to make several big splashes in next season's market.  You know, the one with a salary cap and the one that isn't only like 2 weeks long.  Seems like they are in a great position.    And at you trying so hard to back up your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) comment, I didn't call everyone a hater or bitter, just you.  The next positive thing you post on this board will be the first.  Also- I'm not even a Chiefs fan.  I just chose to point out how stupid and biased your boast of KC being one of the worst franchises in history was.   

[j-dub]

QB and WR have been glaringly bad going on 35 odd years now. That's the cardinal sin that keeps KC in perpetual "not good enough" state. I think.

2 years of a past his prime Montana. A flash from Andre Rison. A glance here and there of Rich Gannon and Joe Horn. A couple years of Trent Green, but was offset by the league's worst D. At the moment, Bowe is an ascending star if he continues to avoid being stupid. (One could argue for Kenney I suppose. Krieg was okay with Seattle..)

Outside of those guys, I struggle to think of anyone who was ever clearly above average at QB or WR for an extended period of time in their career.

And every single one of those guys, aside from Bowe obviously, played their best ball elsewhere.

Trotting out Robb Thomas, Stephon Paige, Willie Davis, J.J. Birden, Lake Dawson, Derrick Alexander, Marc Boerigter, Johnny Morton, Eddie Kennison and Chris Chambers for two decades will not win you any significant hardware.

Especially, when you have Deberg, Bono, Grbac, Huard, Thigpen and Cassel throwing it to them.

I hope something is done about Cassel, and quickly, or it will be the same sad story once again.

I don't think the teams in the 90's had glaring weaknesses. Bono and Grbac had some really good years for the Chiefs. They were mostly very good teams capable of winning the super bowl, but they were choke artists.

Loved when KC had Bono and Grbac.

I am a Broncos fan, so that should tell you if they had any "really good years" or not.

This.

I idolized John Elway my entire childhood. I wanted to be the 2nd greatest QB in history. Because it isn't possible to be better than John Elway. And I feel so terrible for all my friends and family who had to endure the fact that even though they had a better team in KC every year - the best player was in Denver, and when it counted most, the best player beat the better team.

Had that poor bastard Marty not listened to his instincts just once, and started Gannon, it may have gone differently in '97. But that was Marty..

Bono and Lin Elliot single-handedly wasted the best defense of the 1990's. Bono was a complete fail. Grbac actually had talent; just lacked guts, instincts and competitive fire.

I will never understand how Carl and Marty could bring back Bono and Eliot in '95 when even my pre-pubescent self knew it would be their undoing.. 

[kitten_mittons]

I'm pretty sure Bono threw the ball away about 85% of his 3rd down passes.  I was in like 5th grade when he was playing.  I always called him Steve BoZo.  Yeah.   

[sonofdaxjones]

Chiefs won their division with a payroll of 75 million.  They decided against making any big signings during last year's silly season and are now in position to make several big splashes in next season's market.  You know, the one with a salary cap and the one that isn't only like 2 weeks long.  Seems like they are in a great position.    And at you trying so hard to back up your respected comment, I didn't call everyone a hater or bitter, just you.  The next positive thing you post on this board will be the first.  Also- I'm not even a Chiefs fan.  I just chose to point out how stupid and biased your boast of KC being one of the worst franchises in history was.   

The Chiefs "won" the division because the rest of the schedule wasn't very good, they had a losing record in the division, including getting worked by the Raiders twice, plus they were blasted at Denver, and blanked 31-0 at San Diego.  Oh wait, according to Todd Haley Denver cheated. 

In terms of overall NFL success, yes, the Chiefs are one of worst in NFL history, they've had exactly one significant run that mattered and that was 18 years ago, and it was the only one in the last (nearly) 4 decades.   I suppose if the NFL starts handing out a trophy for best regular season record the Chiefs might have been able to WD40 and Liquid Wrench open that dusty trophy case once or twice over the last 40 years, but alas the NFL provides no such awards. 

[Saulbadguy]

Chiefs won their division with a payroll of 75 million.  They decided against making any big signings during last year's silly season and are now in position to make several big splashes in next season's market.  You know, the one with a salary cap and the one that isn't only like 2 weeks long.  Seems like they are in a great position.    And at you trying so hard to back up your respected comment, I didn't call everyone a hater or bitter, just you.  The next positive thing you post on this board will be the first.  Also- I'm not even a Chiefs fan.  I just chose to point out how stupid and biased your boast of KC being one of the worst franchises in history was.   

The Chiefs "won" the division because the rest of the schedule wasn't very good, they had a losing record in the division, including getting worked by the Raiders twice, plus they were blasted at Denver, and blanked 31-0 at San Diego.  Oh wait, according to Todd Haley Denver cheated. 

In terms of overall NFL success, yes, the Chiefs are one of worst in NFL history, they've had exactly one significant run that mattered and that was 18 years ago, and it was the only one in the last (nearly) 4 decades.   I suppose if the NFL starts handing out a trophy for best regular season record the Chiefs might have been able to WD40 and Liquid Wrench open that dusty trophy case once or twice over the last 40 years, but alas the NFL provides no such awards. 

The rest of their schedule was only 2 games apart from the rest of the AFC West. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I want the Chiefs to do well, but I am not going to pretend that just because they've actually had a a few really good regular seasons in the last FORTY that they're not still one of the most underperforming and frankly worst franchises in the NFL.  From 72 to 89 they only made the playoffs once.  In the last 13 years they've only made the playoffs 3 times, 18 years since their last playoff win.  Since 1972 they're 291-309 in the regular season.


   

[kitten_mittons]

Chiefs won their division with a payroll of 75 million.  They decided against making any big signings during last year's silly season and are now in position to make several big splashes in next season's market.  You know, the one with a salary cap and the one that isn't only like 2 weeks long.  Seems like they are in a great position.    And at you trying so hard to back up your respected comment, I didn't call everyone a hater or bitter, just you.  The next positive thing you post on this board will be the first.  Also- I'm not even a Chiefs fan.  I just chose to point out how stupid and biased your boast of KC being one of the worst franchises in history was.   

The Chiefs "won" the division because the rest of the schedule wasn't very good, they had a losing record in the division, including getting worked by the Raiders twice, plus they were blasted at Denver, and blanked 31-0 at San Diego.  Oh wait, according to Todd Haley Denver cheated. 

In terms of overall NFL success, yes, the Chiefs are one of worst in NFL history, they've had exactly one significant run that mattered and that was 18 years ago, and it was the only one in the last (nearly) 4 decades.   I suppose if the NFL starts handing out a trophy for best regular season record the Chiefs might have been able to WD40 and Liquid Wrench open that dusty trophy case once or twice over the last 40 years, but alas the NFL provides no such awards. 

The rest of their schedule was only 2 games apart from the rest of the AFC West. 

Yes, and if you give the Chiefs the two division winners and give SD the two division losers, you have the Chiefs likely at 8-8 and the Chargers likely at 11-5.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I want the Chiefs to do well, but I am not going to pretend that just because they've actually had a a few really good regular seasons in the last FORTY that they're not still one of the most underperforming and frankly worst franchises in the NFL.  From 72 to 89 they only made the playoffs once.  In the last 13 years they've only made the playoffs 3 times, 18 years since their last playoff win.  Since 1972 they're 291-309 in the regular season.


   

Even going by your "only championships matter" logic, the chiefs are still a better franchise than the Bills, Eagles, Browns, Jets, Seahawks, Lions, Jaguars, Texans, Chargers, Falcons, Titans, Panthers, and Cardinals. They are a middle of the road franchise.

[kitten_mittons]

I want the Chiefs to do well, but I am not going to pretend that just because they've actually had a a few really good regular seasons in the last FORTY that they're not still one of the most underperforming and frankly worst franchises in the NFL.  From 72 to 89 they only made the playoffs once.  In the last 13 years they've only made the playoffs 3 times, 18 years since their last playoff win.  Since 1972 they're 291-309 in the regular season.


   

Even going by your "only championships matter" logic, the chiefs are still a better franchise than the Bills, Eagles, Browns, Jets, Seahawks, Lions, Jaguars, Texans, Chargers, Falcons, Titans, Panthers, and Cardinals. They are a middle of the road franchise.

I didn't strike out your stupid arguments for the expansion teams who have 30+ years less than KC to win a championship, but I should have.