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« Reply #19225 on: February 10, 2021, 03:34:20 PM »
Find out who's willing to give up some money to get the chance to play with #15.

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« Reply #19226 on: February 10, 2021, 03:35:40 PM »
“Go for two” is a really good saying if we’re being honest.
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« Reply #19227 on: February 10, 2021, 03:35:55 PM »
the chiefs defense just doesn't pass the smell test given the $$ on the d-line and having the landlord (who is my favorite chief) playing safety.  maybe my coaching days are behind me though.


Agree with you but I don't think Jones is the problem.  I would be interested to see how the new lack of holding standard affected players differently.  I know Bolles for Denver went from borderline unplayable to a solid LT this year because of it. I don't know enough about the DL to see if affected different styles of pass rushers more or less.

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« Reply #19228 on: February 10, 2021, 03:39:48 PM »
“Go for two” is a really good saying if we’re being honest.

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« Reply #19229 on: February 10, 2021, 03:54:31 PM »
“Go for two” is a really good saying if we’re being honest.

Yeah much better.

Not a chiefs fan but I couldn't disagree any more vigorously. Run It Back was creative, go for two is dull and corny.

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« Reply #19230 on: February 10, 2021, 03:55:25 PM »
You’re a dull and corny Iowan, what do you know?
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« Reply #19231 on: February 10, 2021, 03:56:42 PM »
“Go for two” is a really good saying if we’re being honest.

Yeah much better.

Not a chiefs fan but I couldn't disagree any more vigorously. Run It Back was creative, go for two is dull and corny.
Run it back sucked because the only time I had ever heard it before is when someone loses and wanted to try again.

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« Reply #19232 on: February 10, 2021, 04:55:12 PM »


Draft picks + veterans chasing rings is the new formula on winning Super Bowls.  Well that and keeping your core of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, and Mathieu.

Agree completely. OL first, tackle or guard. Need them both.  Then DT and LB.  Kpass and Jones (aka sack nation) were a sack of crap this year.



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« Reply #19233 on: February 10, 2021, 04:58:51 PM »
“Go for two” is a really good saying if we’re being honest.

Yeah much better.

Not a chiefs fan but I couldn't disagree any more vigorously. Run It Back was creative, go for two is dull and corny.
Run it back sucked because the only time I had ever heard it before is when someone loses and wanted to try again.

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i don't necessarily equate it to a losing team but it definitely was not original in any way
but i also don't care to critique some stupid nfl motto so wgaf


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« Reply #19234 on: February 10, 2021, 06:19:15 PM »
Jones was dominant this year, quit counting sacks as the end all stat for an interior rusher
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« Reply #19235 on: February 10, 2021, 06:21:56 PM »
PFF rated him the number 4 defensive lineman in football this year. I don’t always love their ratings, but he is far from the problem.
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« Reply #19236 on: February 10, 2021, 06:25:40 PM »
7.5 was 4th in sacks for interior linemen.
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« Reply #19237 on: February 10, 2021, 07:18:22 PM »
I never said he was the problem, I asked if his contract was one.  i don’t feel like he’s lived up to his price.
when there’s as many commas and zeros in a contract as his and frank’s, they need to earn it or it’s impact is obviously felt much more

we have a lot tied up in them and i’m not sure hiring cheaper dudes who are, let’s say 60% as good, isn’t a better place to be


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« Reply #19238 on: February 10, 2021, 07:20:47 PM »
Yeah I was referring more to what kstate4lyfe said I guess
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« Reply #19239 on: February 10, 2021, 08:32:12 PM »
also I love both of those dudes, but not as much as the landlord


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« Reply #19240 on: February 10, 2021, 08:39:47 PM »
“Go for two” is a really good saying if we’re being honest.

Yeah much better.

Not a chiefs fan but I couldn't disagree any more vigorously. Run It Back was creative, go for two is dull and corny.
Run it back sucked because the only time I had ever heard it before is when someone loses and wanted to try again.

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Real ones "run it back" even when they win a good game.

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« Reply #19241 on: February 10, 2021, 09:17:25 PM »
Jones had 24.5 sacks the 2 previous years, and 7.5 this year (after getting paid).  Maybe the holding call rules had something do with that, but I don't really think you can call yourself "sack nation" when you rank 19th in the league in sacks.  Jones is obviously a stud, and maybe I didn't portray my frustrations correctly, but I don't think he played up to what we paid him this year.

I also understand sacks aren't the only important stat, but he earned his money based on some pretty stellar sack stats.

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« Reply #19242 on: February 10, 2021, 09:38:52 PM »
Jones is literally ranked 2nd overall by his colleagues and NFL gurus at his position. He gets double teamed all the time and blows crap up for other players to make plays. He’s worth every penny of his contract. Mahomes will continue to make plays with average receivers. Line play was mumped this year due to injuries, opt outs, and free agent signings who looked good to start the season, but got hurt themselves. I’m so over the narrative that the Chiefs don’t gaf about the o line. They lost two pro bowl tackles by the end of the year, had an opt out they drafted, had a good o lineman lose both his legs during the season due to injury, who looked great to start. Season took a toll and this is what they had left by week 21 of the season. For a fan base who use to bitch about lineman getting drafted so early, they’ve definitely turned a narrative lately when it comes to pushing for a dynasty. Veach is amazing FTR!

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« Reply #19243 on: February 11, 2021, 08:24:03 AM »
can you guys please take this crap to the pit where it belongs, i have tried to steer the conversation away from this


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« Reply #19244 on: February 11, 2021, 08:52:18 AM »
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« Reply #19245 on: February 11, 2021, 09:03:50 AM »
Pts allowed by Chiefs this season:  20, 20, 20, 10, 40, 17, 16, 9, 31, 31, 24, 16, 27, 29, 14, and 38.  Playoffs:  17, 24, 31

This is the stat that I care about.  I don't give a crap if the Chiefs get 0 sacks in a season as long as they keep the opponent from putting up points.  The numbers above aren't great, but also not awful (22.8 pts per game).  In comparison, Chiefs averaged 28.5 pts per game.

I don't see our defense improving this number.  This is why I think it is important you surround Mahomes with talent (WR) and protection (OL) so the PPG can creep up closer to 30 like in 2019/2018.

2020 Summary
PPG Allowed:  22.pts
PPG Scored:  28.5pts
**5.7pt delta
*** 1 game of KC scoring 40+

Last year (2019) for comparison (again including playoffs):
PPG Allowed: 20.2
PPG Scored: 29.9
**9pt delta
***3 games of KC scoring 40+

2018 for comparison:
PPG Allowed:  26.2
PPG Scored:  34.8
**8.6pt delta
***5 games of KC scoring 40+

Many think Chiefs played to their competition in 2020...which might be the case.  We definitely relied more on the defense to win games than we did outscoring our opponents.  I think this year would have been even more lopsided if Mahomes had a healthy OL.  I'm shocked we only lost 2 games in the regular season since the delta changed by 4 pts from 2019.  Patrick also ran the ball 19 more times in the regular season than he did in 2019 which seems like a large increase but just a couple more than 2018.


         
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« Reply #19246 on: February 11, 2021, 09:06:01 AM »
TLDNR

Chiefs scored a lot less and defense about the same as 2019.  Chiefs probably won't get noticeably better on defense so need to keep building offense to make it as good as 2019 or even a bit better (2018 level not necessary).   
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« Reply #19247 on: February 11, 2021, 09:14:18 AM »
How are you bleep bloop bleeping those delta numbers, kilt?

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« Reply #19248 on: February 11, 2021, 09:16:31 AM »
I'm hopeful Clark has a big season in him in 2021.


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« Reply #19249 on: February 11, 2021, 09:20:58 AM »
The regular season does not matter. We moonwalked to the 1 seed. As long as the chiefs continue to get up for big games (SB LV aside) they will get the 1 seed again. Get more weapons and protection in the draft every single year and we will be good.