Author Topic: CHIEFS (Read 2124806 times)

IPA4Me · « **Reply #14300 on:** February 27, 2018, 04:38:37 AM »

I'm sorry you all have to suffer through this. So glad I never got on the Chiefs wagon when I lived in Kansas. Yuck.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #14301 on:** February 27, 2018, 09:04:16 AM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 07:13:30 PM

Calling Marcus Peters the best player is laughable.

Are there any advanced stats/analytics that we can look at to really see where he fits league wise? I feel like he was really really bad in coverage most of the time, as well as run support (seemed to be more determined after his suspension though, which raises questions as to why he wasn't at that level before, but I don't care).

It just seemed like his insane knack to break off his coverage assignment for ints, getting interceptions, and simply how effective he was at creating turnovers in general made him look so damn good that people forget the other stuff.

Could be scheme, could be Peters being bad, could be in my head because I'm trying to convince myself he wasn't that good in coverage/run support. Just wondering if there are numbers to look at either way, thanks.

8manpick · « **Reply #14302 on:** February 27, 2018, 09:18:47 AM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2018, 09:04:16 AM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 26, 2018, 07:13:30 PM
Calling Marcus Peters the best player is laughable.

Are there any advanced stats/analytics that we can look at to really see where he fits league wise? I feel like he was really really bad in coverage most of the time, as well as run support (seemed to be more determined after his suspension though, which raises questions as to why he wasn't at that level before, but I don't care).

It just seemed like his insane knack to break off his coverage assignment for ints, getting interceptions, and simply how effective he was at creating turnovers in general made him look so damn good that people forget the other stuff.

Could be scheme, could be Peters being bad, could be in my head because I'm trying to convince myself he wasn't that good in coverage/run support. Just wondering if there are numbers to look at either way, thanks.

This is scout based, if anyone subscribes to Pro Football Focus, they could chime in:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754252-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-outside-cornerbacks-of-2017-season

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5. Marcus Peters, Kansas City Chiefs

Coverage: 21/25
Reaction: 24/25
Recovery: 21/25
Tackling: 9/15
Position Value: 10/10
Overall Grade: 85/100

The most dangerous cornerback in the NFL resides in Kansas City. Third-year corner Marcus Peters continued on his Hall of Fame trajectory with another five interceptions, nine pass breakups and three forced fumbles. He's massively reduced the big plays he allowed in his rookie season and is seeing less targets, yet his production remains high considering the chances he's getting. The lone weakness on his resume remains his tackling effort, which is often more of a strip attempt than staying genuine in his form.

—NFL1000 DB Scout, Ian Wharton

Peters is one of the most exhilarating and frustrating boom-and-bust players in the NFL. When he's on point, he's obviously an interception machine, with the ability to see the entire field and the athleticism to jump routes that aren't even his to cover. There are also times when he'll break technique and allow big plays. The Chiefs have made a bargain with the upside of Peters' talent, knowing that the downside is also inevitable. If Peters can stay assignment-correct on every play, he has the potential to be the best pass defender of his generation.

—NFL1000 Lead Scout Doug Farrar

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #14303 on:** February 27, 2018, 10:10:04 AM »

p. good grades

CHONGS · « **Reply #14304 on:** February 27, 2018, 10:14:25 AM »

Knowing his place: 0/10

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #14305 on:** February 27, 2018, 10:59:15 AM »

The low FB IQ in the KC fanbase is enormous

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #14306 on:** February 27, 2018, 11:09:12 AM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 10:59:15 AM

The low FB IQ in the KC fanbase is enormous

LOL at thinking any NFL fanbase has anything other than an enormous amount of low FB IQ'ers.

That's like saying the fanbase of one NASCAR driver has a lower IQ than the fanbase of others.

wetwillie · « **Reply #14307 on:** February 27, 2018, 11:19:05 AM »

Quote from: Chingon on February 27, 2018, 10:14:25 AM

Knowing his place: 0/10

You really know how to twist the knife

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #14308 on:** February 27, 2018, 11:20:58 AM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2018, 11:09:12 AM

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
The low FB IQ in the KC fanbase is enormous

LOL at thinking any NFL fanbase has anything other than an enormous amount of low FB IQ'ers.

That's like saying the fanbase of one NASCAR driver has a lower IQ than the fanbase of others.

fair enough but it's trades like this that really bring out the dumbest.

Thinking that the Chiefs HAD to trade peters for such a awful return is so stupid it makes me cringe.

kslim · « **Reply #14309 on:** February 27, 2018, 11:45:59 AM »

The chiefs should have used the billy heywood approach.

sad

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #14310 on:** February 27, 2018, 11:57:09 AM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 11:20:58 AM

Quote from: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
The low FB IQ in the KC fanbase is enormous

LOL at thinking any NFL fanbase has anything other than an enormous amount of low FB IQ'ers.

That's like saying the fanbase of one NASCAR driver has a lower IQ than the fanbase of others.

fair enough but it's trades like this that really bring out the dumbest.

Thinking that the Chiefs HAD to trade peters for such a awful return is so stupid it makes me cringe.

Can't argue that. I absolutely hate the trade and the return, and it's hard to imagine in any way that the Chiefs D can be better without Peters.

I'll let the offseason/draft play out and wait until the actual season to be too mad about it all. Hell, the Patriots traded their best defensive player last year for a 3rd round pick, it was just brushed off as "the Patriot way", and they got better.

So, I'm just glad we have a similar system with Sutton. The Sutton way.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #14311 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:13:34 PM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 11:20:58 AM

Quote from: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
The low FB IQ in the KC fanbase is enormous

LOL at thinking any NFL fanbase has anything other than an enormous amount of low FB IQ'ers.

That's like saying the fanbase of one NASCAR driver has a lower IQ than the fanbase of others.

fair enough but it's trades like this that really bring out the dumbest.

Thinking that the Chiefs HAD to trade peters for such a awful return is so stupid it makes me cringe.

Better or worse than what Baltimore got for Ray Rice?

You know who's really lowIQ? The people who don't think the Pats could have gotten more for Aaron Hernandez.

Analyzing players in a vacuum is the lowest of the lowIQ

star seed 7 · « **Reply #14312 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:17:45 PM »

Ray Rice is a very good comparison to Marcus peters lol

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #14313 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:22:08 PM »

^^^^
Dumbass obviously isn't aware of their 3yr prior season stats.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #14314 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:23:01 PM »

What's old Collin Kapernick up to these days? Surely the 49ers got great value based upon his numbers.

The Big Train · « **Reply #14315 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:28:22 PM »

Strange FSD brought up Kap here

star seed 7 · « **Reply #14316 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:29:24 PM »

I think fsd is slowly coming around to racism being a factor

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #14317 on:** February 27, 2018, 12:59:37 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on February 27, 2018, 12:29:24 PM

I think fsd is slowly coming around to racism being a factor

I've been on the edge of my seat since the post about the grumblings that @The Big Train knows about, but won't say, until it actually comes out as to why the Chiefs let him go....

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #14318 on:** February 27, 2018, 01:01:29 PM »

Well stay on that edge, because he doesn't know anything.

The Big Train · « **Reply #14319 on:** February 27, 2018, 01:06:22 PM »

Wacky using his brain again today

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #14320 on:** February 27, 2018, 01:08:06 PM »

See, there you go, shooter.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #14321 on:** February 27, 2018, 01:11:18 PM »

was a good calf exercise while it lasted....

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #14322 on:** February 27, 2018, 02:19:11 PM »

Top 100 Free Agents, per SB Nation

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/2/26/17040158/nfl-free-agency-2018-top-100-players-signed?utm_campaign=sbnation.social&utm_content=sbnationnfl&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

wetwillie · « **Reply #14323 on:** February 27, 2018, 02:25:57 PM »

Hopefully local Kansas City media has the stones to ask the tough questions when the chiefs make it official

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #14324 on:** February 27, 2018, 03:20:13 PM »

Accusing an NFL franchise of racism would be AMAZE