Possible WW3 thread

[sys]

why so theatrically?

to hide evidence of torture.  secondarily to try and blame the ukrainians for the deaths.

[Kat Kid]

why so theatrically?

to hide evidence of torture.  secondarily to try and blame the ukrainians for the deaths.

The first one seems possible, but the Russians haven’t seemingly cared that much about hiding torture or other war crimes so far. Again, I guess the commander in the field theory might work for both of those, but I bet that there are pretty strict orders to get the actual Nazi’s for the show trials.

But I definitely have been wrong about tons of things so could be way off here.

[sonofdaxjones]

It’s all going according to plan

https://m.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/fertilizer-crisis-deepens-as-yara-joins-azoty-in-idling-more-ammonia-capacity-2879619?ampMode=1

[Cire]

The barracks of the Azov guys getting bombed is another weird thing that apparently is getting an independent investigation.  Ukraine alleges Russia put a bunch of them in a barrack and then blew them up with mines, which is weird. Also you would think that these guys would be the most valuable prisoners because they would be the most on message for the show trials.

Certainly possible that commanders in the field got enraged and hated these guys so much they killed them, but why so theatrically? The Russians definitely aren’t shy about shooting and torturing people.

The Russians allege the Ukrainians killed them with a missile strike which is also pretty hard to believe.

No clue how anyone could piece together an investigation at this point but could be interesting.

Russia was saying it was HIMARS or other American equipment. 

[sys]

Russia was saying it was HIMARS or other American equipment.

yeah, they lie (i can look for an old tweet with forensic analysis if you don't already understand that russian statements re. their invasion of ukraine have either no relationship or a negative relationship with reality).

[sonofdaxjones]

The Russians have taken out a number of the M777's (which will cost various taxpayers in various NATO countries approximately 30% more to replace over original acquisition costs . . . on top of the fact the M777 was never really designed to be drug here and there over bog and thru woods to begin with). 

It stands to reason they could have taken out HIMARS.  The one good thing about having NATO military people essentially running the HIMARS is we can actually track those vehicles and have a good idea where they are.  Unlike the majority weapons that get thrown into that uber corrupt money pit otherwise known as Ukraine (now featuring various Ukrainian Ambassadors openly chastising individual NATO countries for not doing enough).

[Kat Kid]

   Fears of a catastrophic accident at one of Europe’s largest nuclear power plants escalated on Thursday after fires sparked by repeated shelling led to Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia reactor complex being cut off from the country’s electric grid.

Energoatom, Ukraine’s state nuclear power company, said the temporary interruption was the first time the plant had ever been disconnected from the grid. But it added that there were “no concerns” over a full-scale accident after back-up systems kicked in.

Kyiv and Moscow have accused each other of conducting artillery shelling in the vicinity of the plant, which is based in the town of Energodar in southern Ukraine. The Kremlin’s forces occupied the facility early in its invasion, which began six months ago, and workers now operate under Russian supervision.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Ukraine’s president, discussed the rising concerns about Zaporizhzhia in a phone call on Thursday with Joe Biden, his US counterpart. They called on Russia to return full control of the plant to Kyiv and allow international inspectors to access the facility.

who is shelling the nuclear plant? FT won't say. What they will say is that Russia has occupied it for months and that "Kyiv and Moscow have accused each other of conducting artillery shelling in the vicinity of the plant." Zelenskyy is also calling for Russia to return control of the facility to the Ukrainians.

So I guess either the Russians are shelling themselves or Ukraine is shelling the facility.  Anyone else want to take a stab at this one?

[sys]

your conjecture makes sense to me.

[Kat Kid]

ok, but let's keep our guard up.

The UK’s Ministry of Defence on Thursday tweeted: “Russia is probably prepared to exploit any Ukrainian military activity near [Zaporizhzhia] for propaganda purposes.”

[sys]

i don't think that's at odds with the probability that the situation is as you speculated.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Many good folks on both sides.

https://twitter.com/anonopsse/status/1563803197449322501?s=21&t=ckXU8GwTqeHzanqdbO33Pw

[sonofdaxjones]

Throughout history there's never been any wild claims made about skeletons, bones, skulls or things preserved in jars.   

[sys]

this kinda reminds of something i've been mulling over.  afaik, there haven't been any additional large-scale, unambiguously-missile strikes in crimea since the airport attack.  which to me suggests that whatever was used is either in very short supply, or there was a small window of opportunity to successfully use them.

the former might suggest an undisclosed nato weapon (that is not intended to be continuously supplied and eventually disclosed).  the latter suggests either cruise missiles or missiles launched from aircraft that in order to be successfully used needed air defenses to be removed from either an area that allowed aircraft to approach within range, or a path for cruise missiles to reach the airport without being intercepted.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1563990046503575552

[sys]

Many good folks on both sides.

https://twitter.com/anonopsse/status/1563803197449322501?s=21&t=ckXU8GwTqeHzanqdbO33Pw

i saw that, along with the vid of the drone operators with the sadistic nazi guy.  amazing the content russia is happy to allow reach an international audience.

[sonofdaxjones]

Joe doesn't even give our alleged European allies a courtesy flush anymore.  Just keeps pumping weapons into Ukraine, and the DOD hunkers down for yet another perpetual war.

https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/1563647549101117441?s=20&t=hihS6JGnTtlNv0YYe3MQwA

[Sandstone Outcropping]

rumblings

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1564206767172714499?s=20&t=nVi_Zkkm_NtNLX022Vs7qw

[sonofdaxjones]

Sanctions will stop Putin . . .

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/russia-outlook-charts-wall-street-investing-analysis-market-strategy-economy-2022-8?utm_source=LinkedIn&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=LINewsletter_10ThingsOpeningBell&utm_content=10ThingsOpeningBell

[Pete]

Sanctions will stop Putin . . .

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/russia-outlook-charts-wall-street-investing-analysis-market-strategy-economy-2022-8?utm_source=LinkedIn&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=LINewsletter_10ThingsOpeningBell&utm_content=10ThingsOpeningBell

Yep, I agree it’s important to keep shipping arms and ammunition to Ukraine to beat the Russians the old fashioned way by sending more Russians to hell to live with Satan and not with the Lord Jesus.

[Pete]

I am so glad that we didn’t simply trust Wall Street to plan the response to Russia invading and murdering their neighboring country! 

[Dugout DickStone]

I am so glad that we didn’t simply trust Wall Street to plan the response to Russia invading and murdering their neighboring country!

same

[wetwillie]

I am so glad that we didn’t simply trust Wall Street to plan the response to Russia invading and murdering their neighboring country! 

There are some receipts ITT that did not age particularly well RE: the sanctions and their impact on hampering Russia

[Kat Kid]

Early reports not looking great on the Ukrainian counter offensive in the South.  Time will tell but Russia is claiming some pretty big numbers on casualties and lost material and the US talking point is to declare victory that Russia was forced to moved troops to the south to deal with the counter offensive.

Also, Kirby finally came a little closer to saying what FT, NYT and the rest of the media wouldn’t, which is that it has been Ukraine shelling the nuclear plant.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's seems crazy to think we actually thought the self proclaimed "pro's" and "adults" would actually find a solution to avoid war in Ukraine.

But it's an administration stocked with #neocons from top to bottom, so it was a fools errand to think they would do anything but stoke the flames of war.

The Afghan Military and leadership is up to the task . . .

Sanctions will stop the Russians . . .

Likely working up the next set of lies about Iraq to foist upon #blueanon Derps

[nicname]

War is the health of the state.

[kim carnes]

I am so glad that we didn’t simply trust Wall Street to plan the response to Russia invading and murdering their neighboring country! 

There are some receipts ITT that did not age particularly well RE: the sanctions and their impact on hampering Russia

Post them