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Re: Unions
« Reply #200 on: December 01, 2022, 07:22:45 PM »

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« Reply #201 on: December 01, 2022, 08:21:37 PM »
Dipshit dems, the supposed party of labor, made these people end their strike without giving them a single day of sick pay. Not only did they force these people to take a deal that they didn't want, but they also allowed six prominent republicans to vote yes on the provision while one of their supposed their own, voted no.

Total crap show and they let Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz, Little Marco, and Fancy Lindsay mush their faces.

Did they not know the job has no sick days when they accepted it?  Did someone lie to them?  Are they not free to leave their jobs and find another one in a tight labor market?  What exactly is your issue…

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« Reply #202 on: December 01, 2022, 10:51:02 PM »
As someone who worked with RR unions for a couple of years a while back and has a buddy in BIG RR here is my both sides take

ANTI UNION - These RR union workers are making 100k+ (this was like 6 years ago) without a college degree with a sweet sweet RR pension that is better than social security. They know what they signed up for and they did it because it was by far the best option after they got out of the military or their dad/uncle/cousin got them job.

PRO UNION - RR's are basically a Duopoly (BNSF/UP west of the Mississippi, NS/CSX east) and are printing money left and right because they have no competition besides OTR trucking. RR's are trying to reduce the minimum crew count on trains from 2 to 1 via (ATC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_train_control) to make even more money for their Duopoly while cutting out the people who actually run the trains.

After deregulation in the 80's BIG RR consolidated and was content to rake in their guaranteed profits due to their duopoly and share some of that with labor. Over the last couple of years BIG RR has been turning the screws HARD on both unions and their management to make more money even though they are making record profits. My buddy was a non union Regional Manager for BIG RR and even he left because it was getting so ridiculous....he went to a RR contractor for a year but recently went back to BIG RR because the money was too good.

What is the answer here? Dunno, its not like you can decide to create a new RR to compete with the big guys that got trackage rights in 1880. RR's are the most efficient way to transport goods between major transit hubs besides boats.

The only thing that will knock off RR's dominant Duopoly position is OTR trucks without a driver which has been 5 years away for about 10 years now. 


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Re: Unions
« Reply #203 on: December 01, 2022, 11:58:22 PM »
the rr people i sometimes work with make a lot of money for pretty much not doing anything.


no idea how representative that is of rr workers overall or across all the diff unions.
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« Reply #204 on: December 02, 2022, 01:34:48 AM »
the rr people i sometimes work with make a lot of money for pretty much not doing anything.


no idea how representative that is of rr workers overall or across all the diff unions.

Yeah, there are some good gigs out there if you don't need mental stimulation and are fine just moving around all the time.
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« Reply #205 on: December 02, 2022, 09:35:23 AM »
It seems like one side of this argument is "People should be treated like people" and the other side disagrees. 

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« Reply #206 on: December 02, 2022, 09:40:38 AM »
Well played cns

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« Reply #207 on: December 02, 2022, 09:42:28 AM »
As a man, I can tell u that I don’t need sick days

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« Reply #208 on: December 02, 2022, 02:43:17 PM »
It seems like one side of this argument is "People should be treated like people" and the other side disagrees.

i'm actually pretty unclear on what sort of compensated time off they are allowed or not allowed and also what sort of uncompensated time off they can or cannot take.

https://twitter.com/RyanRadia/status/1598696578046369792


but i'm also pretty comfortable with the idea of people trading benefits for higher pay.  i've more or less done that myself.

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« Reply #209 on: December 02, 2022, 02:48:21 PM »
the rr people i sometimes work with make a lot of money for pretty much not doing anything.


no idea how representative that is of rr workers overall or across all the diff unions.

Yeah, there are some good gigs out there if you don't need mental stimulation and are fine just moving around all the time.

these people don't have to/aren't allowed to move around much, but yeah, there are a surprising amount of jobs where you really just have to show up.
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« Reply #210 on: December 02, 2022, 02:55:37 PM »
Anyone that’s unhappy could leave the profession and I’m guessing be very easily replaced by a long line of applicants

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Re: Unions
« Reply #211 on: December 02, 2022, 02:56:13 PM »
It seems like one side of this argument is "People should be treated like people" and the other side disagrees.

i'm actually pretty unclear on what sort of compensated time off they are allowed or not allowed and also what sort of uncompensated time off they can or cannot take.

https://twitter.com/RyanRadia/status/1598696578046369792


but i'm also pretty comfortable with the idea of people trading benefits for higher pay.  i've more or less done that myself.
They have time off but it’s got to be scheduled in advance. Can’t call in sick


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« Reply #212 on: December 02, 2022, 02:59:09 PM »
Right… which is why their pay is as high as it is.  It’s called reality you guys. 

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« Reply #213 on: December 02, 2022, 03:02:19 PM »
They have time off but it’s got to be scheduled in advance. Can’t call in sick

the "mark off" policy seems pretty close to a sick leave, although it isn't clear from the bullet point if the marking off can only be done some set time in advance.

presumably not day of, but if it can be done the night before, that's basically the same, imo.
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« Reply #214 on: December 02, 2022, 03:08:49 PM »
Some railroad dudes on ags were saying that it's basically impossible to get pto approved because corporate has cut staff so thin. If it is approved you're only given 12 hours notice.
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« Reply #215 on: December 02, 2022, 03:57:24 PM »
Heard a podcast describing PTO as having to be submitted 30days ahead.

Also, the RR goal is to get mandatory personnel down to 1 guy per train. You miss, the entire train doesn’t train that day without shuffling around. To shuffle around, a company that is very focused on cutting staff would have to hold on call guys getting paid to do nothing unless someone misses their shift.

All this is stupid considering railroads paid out to their shareholders something like $146billion dollars in dividends last year. The idea that people should have an opportunity to be sick when sick isnt insane. It’s also unsafe. If trains are run by one person, how much flu meds or painkillers can that person be medicated with before we all should be concerned for the safety of their coworkers, etc? 




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« Reply #216 on: December 02, 2022, 04:59:52 PM »
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« Reply #217 on: April 28, 2023, 10:06:41 AM »
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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« Reply #218 on: April 28, 2023, 10:16:36 AM »
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« Reply #219 on: September 20, 2023, 07:07:45 PM »
The idea that union members started voting more for Trump over Democratic nominees never made much sense to me.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1704330760285479270

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« Reply #220 on: September 20, 2023, 07:20:34 PM »
The idea that union members started voting more for Trump over Democratic nominees never made much sense to me.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1704330760285479270

But I saw a union member trashing Biden and supporting Trump on Fox News?
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« Reply #221 on: September 20, 2023, 11:01:56 PM »
The idea that union members started voting more for Trump over Democratic nominees never made much sense to me.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1704330760285479270
Well considering union membership is half of what it was in 1988, it matters more that democrats have basically given up on trying to win over working class voters. They should have moved heaven and earth when Biden had a mandate to have better designed and funded the CTC and free school lunch and made those programs the center piece of the campaign. Instead they mumped around with the “problem solvers caucus” and let them hold kids hostage over salt.

The dems are very happy to pick up egg head republicans like sys in the suburbs and just count on the increasing share of white (and with Trump non-white) non-college grad voters.

Biden should have his moment of old labor dem glory and go to a Ford factory gate in KC, mo and get in there and give a speech on the floor disrupting work and then announce they are going on strike and take a crap on managements desk in front of cameras. crowd goes wild.
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« Reply #222 on: September 20, 2023, 11:26:32 PM »
Do it Biden, you pussy
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« Reply #223 on: September 20, 2023, 11:31:21 PM »
Biden has the sleeves rolled up and the jacket off and does a stone cold stunner entrance smashing two BUD LIGHTS together and then strolls up to some SUIT WEARING BOSS and gives him a stunner. Catches another bud light then takes the stage and tells a long winded story makes 2 questionable jokes turns around a couple times, stutters then lands it with “we’re going on strike!”

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« Reply #224 on: September 21, 2023, 11:01:03 AM »
The idea that union members started voting more for Trump over Democratic nominees never made much sense to me.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1704330760285479270
Well considering union membership is half of what it was in 1988, it matters more that democrats have basically given up on trying to win over working class voters. They should have moved heaven and earth when Biden had a mandate to have better designed and funded the CTC and free school lunch and made those programs the center piece of the campaign. Instead they mumped around with the “problem solvers caucus” and let them hold kids hostage over salt.

The dems are very happy to pick up egg head republicans like sys in the suburbs and just count on the increasing share of white (and with Trump non-white) non-college grad voters.

Biden should have his moment of old labor dem glory and go to a Ford factory gate in KC, mo and get in there and give a speech on the floor disrupting work and then announce they are going on strike and take a crap on managements desk in front of cameras. crowd goes wild.

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