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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2021, 12:48:02 PM »
I expect to see every member of the Jayhawks basketball team sign a NIL deal with this company shortly, if it's not already done.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2021, 03:53:33 PM »
I expect to see every member of the Jayhawks basketball team sign a NIL deal with this company shortly, if it's not already done.

http://firstconstructionllc.com/about.html

That would be a pretty poor ROI. Makes sense for football players to endorse a MMA gym. Not sure people spending money on commercial construction will be swayed to spend 7 or 8 figures from a Mitch Lightfoot tweet. Doug Compton is getting full value from whatever arrangement he already has with Kansas Athletics.

I really think this will be an opportunity more for businesses that already don't have preexisting business relationships with these schools athletic departments and that's what we've seen almost exclusively early. Doug Compton gives his 6 or 7 figures annually to KU and he gets all of the access to the athletes, coaches, and facilities he wants. Giving that money straight to the players means he would have to shell out more money to keep the access, what's the benefit to that?

NIL isn't really for Doug Compton, Carl Ice, Melvin Weatherwax, T. Boone (rip); it's for people like the guy owning the MMA Gym, like the owner of Braum's, or the  marketing department at Little Apple Toyota. Even though this type of revenue won't make up most of the money most student-athletes will make. Small to medium businesses will realize real fast that college sports fans don't see the players as much more than laundry hangers with legs. These athletes, for the most part, won't change purchasing habits or drive foot traffic to brick and mortar businesses and the ROY for these businesses won't be worth it. Initially, it will be hilarious who will jut light money on fire for clout though.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2021, 04:44:26 PM »
I think you are entirely missing the point.  They don't give a crap about ROI, unless you are talking about wins.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2021, 09:36:16 AM »
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2021, 05:04:12 PM »
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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2021, 07:36:51 PM »
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

We have no chance in that arms race.
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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2021, 08:42:06 PM »
I think you guys overestimate how many houses need painted in whatever backwoods Alabama town the University of Alabama is in.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2021, 08:43:30 PM »
Manhattan's looking pretty rough ridin' incred when you A) get the same house painting money and B) don't have to live in AL/MS/Etc.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2021, 09:39:17 PM »
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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2021, 10:27:39 PM »
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

We have no chance in that arms race.

It's also very illegal and not at all what's happening at Miami

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2021, 07:07:44 AM »
The players in Miami are rough ridin' tweeting about the gym, then getting paid.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2021, 07:28:04 AM »
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

We have no chance in that arms race.

It's also very illegal and not at all what's happening at Miami

I forgot that nothing illegal or sketchy ever happens in Miami, and it certainly never happens with the football program.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2021, 01:11:49 PM »
The players in Miami are rough ridin' tweeting about the gym, then getting paid.

In theory it wasn't arranged by the athletic department, that's the illegal part. Could it have been, sure, but if the Kansas State athletic department are asking donors to give players money, they are definitely going to get caught.

K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2021, 03:43:18 PM »
This seems like one of those things that could be "arranged" by the athletic department without being officially arranged by the athletic department extraodinarily easily.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2021, 03:53:59 PM »
K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2021, 04:04:47 PM »
I'd be telling four star recruits, "look, you can go sit on the bench in obscurity at a place like Texas. Or you can be on the field making a name for yourself and signing endoresement deals at K-State. Seems like a no brainer to me!"

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2021, 04:09:38 PM »
This seems like one of those things that could be "arranged" by the athletic department without being officially arranged by the athletic department extraodinarily easily.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2021, 05:35:42 PM »
This seems like one of those things that could be "arranged" by the athletic department without being officially arranged by the athletic department extraodinarily easily.

Sure, but what's the motivation for that. This is a high risk, low reward proposition.

K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.

In what scenario in your head could this happen? Who is the school that is going to become appreciably better simply by finding a way to get their players excessive NIL payments? How does this even work? Corvallis gonna become the place to be by offering marketing contracts to student athletes that no one else are offering money to?

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2021, 05:37:39 PM »
This rogue NIL landscape some of you are painting is very GPC'y.

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Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2021, 06:14:13 PM »
K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.

In what scenario in your head could this happen? Who is the school that is going to become appreciably better simply by finding a way to get their players excessive NIL payments? How does this even work? Corvallis gonna become the place to be by offering marketing contracts to student athletes that no one else are offering money to?

Whoever does it first/most.  Miami?  I certainly don‚Äôt have a cost analysis at my desk here; my point is that it‚Äôs not illogical for a school to want money going from supporters to players, whether that‚Äôs to get ahead or keep pace.

I’m the one who said we should’ve hired Saban or Dabo at $30m/year and make money off of whipping ass at football.