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Title: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on June 21, 2021, 05:57:04 PM
Let's be the top paying school in the country. This is our chance to level the playing field!

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1406978733999788033
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 22, 2021, 07:39:05 AM
Presently, they will have to make some attempt to tie the benefits to some educational purpose beyond merely paying for paying's sake.  You CAN give educational related goods, such as Mac Book Pros.  You CAN give paid internships to watch oil wells go up and down, or whatever else remotely passes for an internship in their field of study.  You CAN promise and give graduate school scholarships that extend well past their playing days.

I think we have to start with badass computers, unlimited meals, unlimited tuition for life (at any level or program they are accepted into), free transportation to and from the airport, free flights home and back during breaks, free flights to internships and back....
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 22, 2021, 07:40:18 AM
I also think we need to immediately sue the NCAA to drop the minimum number of sports.  We should only have revenue sports and whatever else is needed to achieve title 9 compliance for women's scholarship counts.  No other sports.   All funds must now be injected into the revenue stream.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 22, 2021, 08:33:53 AM
Kids need fast cars to get to class on time, right?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on June 22, 2021, 08:40:35 AM
We need mean Gene to read the New to Investing thread to set up some sort of player paying endowment fund.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: _33 on June 22, 2021, 09:01:27 AM
Yeah let's get them macbook pros except that the macbook pros are made out of gold and diamonds.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on June 22, 2021, 09:10:57 AM
https://twitter.com/byaustinmeek/status/1407046535054082059
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 22, 2021, 02:41:49 PM
https://twitter.com/byaustinmeek/status/1407046535054082059

Lotta zeal.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 22, 2021, 08:42:50 PM
https://twitter.com/byaustinmeek/status/1407046535054082059

There's no can of worms, the media narrative around student athlete compensation is absurd. The nationwide trend is that the academic arm of universities are disinvesting in athletic departments. It's insane to think that universities are going to start supplementing athletic departments and student athletes on this scale.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 23, 2021, 06:54:25 AM
Instead of ICAT, maybe we should create ICAMP.   I contributed a MacBook Pro.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on June 23, 2021, 07:15:55 AM
https://twitter.com/byaustinmeek/status/1407046535054082059

There's no can of worms, the media narrative around student athlete compensation is absurd. The nationwide trend is that the academic arm of universities are disinvesting in athletic departments. It's insane to think that universities are going to start supplementing athletic departments and student athletes on this scale.

I can't believe that with as much money involved in college athletics these days that you think they won't!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 23, 2021, 11:30:57 AM
https://twitter.com/byaustinmeek/status/1407046535054082059

There's no can of worms, the media narrative around student athlete compensation is absurd. The nationwide trend is that the academic arm of universities are disinvesting in athletic departments. It's insane to think that universities are going to start supplementing athletic departments and student athletes on this scale.

I can't believe that with as much money involved in college athletics these days that you think they won't!

First, we have to gut the NCAA of nearly all authority, or get rid of it.  Dennis Dodd thinks the NCAA is at risk of law suits that my do the trick, for example.  Once the NCAA rules on the minimum number of scholarships are out of the way, we can then dedicate all of those dollars to revenue sports and benefits to those players.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ChiComCat on June 23, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
https://twitter.com/byaustinmeek/status/1407046535054082059

There's no can of worms, the media narrative around student athlete compensation is absurd. The nationwide trend is that the academic arm of universities are disinvesting in athletic departments. It's insane to think that universities are going to start supplementing athletic departments and student athletes on this scale.

I can't believe that with as much money involved in college athletics these days that you think they won't!

They've managed to keep the money out of athlete's hands this long and I don't think that will change overnight.  There is no can of worms.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2021, 11:33:16 AM
Our old, white and small timey AD from North Dakota is going to absolutely and totally get smoked in this arms race.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 23, 2021, 11:34:20 AM
As long as pole vaulters are on scholarship, we cannot pay football and basketball players the exorbitant amounts that we'd like.  We gotta get rid of the scholarship minimums before we can open this highly desirable can of worms.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2021, 11:41:23 AM
A decent amount of our donor base is like Kietz and thinks none of them should get paid a cent.  this is going to kill us.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 23, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
A decent amount of our donor base is like Kietz and thinks none of them should get paid a cent.  this is going to kill us.

After we starting getting our assess absolutely owned at a whole new level, they'll come around.  You'd like to think that they will be forward looking, but I share your skepticism about the grapes (aka taters).
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on June 23, 2021, 12:07:39 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2021, 02:07:12 PM
I can only assume that when this actually turns into actual payments to players gene will get a $3mm retirement parachute and leave.  He doesn't have the talent to get into this
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2021, 02:19:27 PM
As long as pole vaulters are on scholarship, we cannot pay football and basketball players the exorbitant amounts that we'd like.  We gotta get rid of the scholarship minimums before we can open this highly desirable can of worms.

Are you going to get rid of the federal title IX law as well?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2021, 02:31:57 PM
Carl and Mary for AD imo
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2021, 02:38:43 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on June 23, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2021, 04:16:57 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.

Yes, you're 100% correct about this, and some schools, like Oklahoma State, already have firms working with players to maximize their earning potential. There is some work that athletic departments can and will do but there are a lot of people think that work involves scratching players checks and that isn't the case, now or anytime soon.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on June 23, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
If this isn't a Cold War level arms race, everyone is doing it wrong.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 23, 2021, 06:05:19 PM
As long as pole vaulters are on scholarship, we cannot pay football and basketball players the exorbitant amounts that we'd like.  We gotta get rid of the scholarship minimums before we can open this highly desirable can of worms.

Are you going to get rid of the federal title IX law as well?

No.  Besides, that would be very difficult if not impossible to do.  Getting rid of the minimum scholarship count requirement is comparatively easy.  We'll always have equal men's and women's scholarships. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on June 23, 2021, 06:10:00 PM
Giving athletic scholarships for non-revenue sports, or in addition the minimum required to satisfy title 9 is a waste of money.  Give that same money to students in the form of needs based scholarships, including the money spent on the equipment and support service required for those non-revenue/non-title 9 sports. In the end, more kids get more scholarships.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on June 23, 2021, 08:11:15 PM
If this isn't a Cold War level arms race, everyone is doing it wrong.
Yea, and we should be working every gray area and loophole that exists.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 8manpick on June 23, 2021, 08:33:49 PM
Who will be the first goEMAW recruit?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on June 23, 2021, 10:02:57 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.

This is exactly what's going to happen. To believe that places like Miami or A&M for example, who have already had boosters take recruits out to strip clubs and bought them cars, won't create organizations to pay top players and recruits, is simply being blind to the college landscape of today. You're about to see certain college athletic programs never fall from grace again because they'll simply be able to buy the players they need to get into the 8-12 team playoff every year.

Hell, even if it were to only work like MIR claims, what's to stop a wealthy booster from purchasing (for example), enough t-shirts/jersey's from a department to generate $10k for a player, donate the shirts to charity as a tax write off, and then go out for a drink as the AD hands the kid a check while saying "If you don't transfer, these checks will keep coming"?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2021, 10:31:32 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.

This is exactly what's going to happen. To believe that places like Miami or A&M for example, who have already had boosters take recruits out to strip clubs and bought them cars, won't create organizations to pay top players and recruits, is simply being blind to the college landscape of today. You're about to see certain college athletic programs never fall from grace again because they'll simply be able to buy the players they need to get into the 8-12 team playoff every year.

Hell, even if it were to only work like MIR claims, what's to stop a wealthy booster from purchasing (for example), enough t-shirts/jersey's from a department to generate $10k for a player, donate the shirts to charity as a tax write off, and then go out for a drink as the AD hands the kid a check while saying "If you don't transfer, these checks will keep coming"?

In this insanely unlikely scenario, I'd say, who cares it's the market speaking so we'll done for the athlete. In this scenario of everybody will cheat and football players will be up for the highest bidder, why isn't it happening now with cost of living payments?

You really don't think someone is going to buy $500,000 dollars worth of some college football player's jersey and t-shirt do you? That's absurd, why wouldn't this person just hire the athlete for a gig?

This crazy hypocritical notwithstanding it still isn't universities spending money on this. The point, PurpleOil, is that NIL won't have any negative effect on the bottom line of athletic departments.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on June 24, 2021, 07:38:03 AM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.

This is exactly what's going to happen. To believe that places like Miami or A&M for example, who have already had boosters take recruits out to strip clubs and bought them cars, won't create organizations to pay top players and recruits, is simply being blind to the college landscape of today. You're about to see certain college athletic programs never fall from grace again because they'll simply be able to buy the players they need to get into the 8-12 team playoff every year.

Hell, even if it were to only work like MIR claims, what's to stop a wealthy booster from purchasing (for example), enough t-shirts/jersey's from a department to generate $10k for a player, donate the shirts to charity as a tax write off, and then go out for a drink as the AD hands the kid a check while saying "If you don't transfer, these checks will keep coming"?

In this insanely unlikely scenario, I'd say, who cares it's the market speaking so we'll done for the athlete. In this scenario of everybody will cheat and football players will be up for the highest bidder, why isn't it happening now with cost of living payments?

You really don't think someone is going to buy $500,000 dollars worth of some college football player's jersey and t-shirt do you? That's absurd, why wouldn't this person just hire the athlete for a gig?

This crazy hypocritical notwithstanding it still isn't universities spending money on this. The point, PurpleOil, is that NIL won't have any negative effect on the bottom line of athletic departments.

I've watched our own alumni spend several grand on a buffalo dick cane (yep, that's a thing) just to give money to the football team. So no, it's not a stretch at all to believe that boosters and the university will now collaborate to find new 'legal' methods to funnel money to top recruits and players.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Justwin on June 24, 2021, 10:35:18 AM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.

This is exactly what's going to happen. To believe that places like Miami or A&M for example, who have already had boosters take recruits out to strip clubs and bought them cars, won't create organizations to pay top players and recruits, is simply being blind to the college landscape of today. You're about to see certain college athletic programs never fall from grace again because they'll simply be able to buy the players they need to get into the 8-12 team playoff every year.

Hell, even if it were to only work like MIR claims, what's to stop a wealthy booster from purchasing (for example), enough t-shirts/jersey's from a department to generate $10k for a player, donate the shirts to charity as a tax write off, and then go out for a drink as the AD hands the kid a check while saying "If you don't transfer, these checks will keep coming"?

In this insanely unlikely scenario, I'd say, who cares it's the market speaking so we'll done for the athlete. In this scenario of everybody will cheat and football players will be up for the highest bidder, why isn't it happening now with cost of living payments?

You really don't think someone is going to buy $500,000 dollars worth of some college football player's jersey and t-shirt do you? That's absurd, why wouldn't this person just hire the athlete for a gig?

This crazy hypocritical notwithstanding it still isn't universities spending money on this. The point, PurpleOil, is that NIL won't have any negative effect on the bottom line of athletic departments.

Athletic departments do not set the cost of attendance stipends.  It is set by financial aid offices and affects the entire student body at a university.  It is part of the determination of how much in loans students can take out.  I imagine the federal government would have something to say if there were extremely high cost of attendance amounts being set.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 24, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
I know the vast majority of our fanbase doesn't care, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with elite talent in non-revenue sports. For example, under the new status quo, a guy like Erik Kynard probably gets some $$$ because he was the No. 1 high jumper in the country and lots of schools wanted him. Can/will K-State be able to compete for elite athletes in the non-revenue sports? Probably not, but I'm curious to see how we approach it (and how mean gene probably messes it up).

So many people get this discussion wrong, the way this is framed is absolutely not what the reality of athlete compensation is. This board sounds exactly like the olds on KSO/GPC.

First of all everyone needs to stop talking about what K-State or Gene will pay football players, basketball players, track athletes, rowers, whoever. I'm going to shout this in hopes everyone hears it.
THERE IS NO CURRENT MODEL BEING DISCUSSED THAT ENTAILS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS PAYING STUDENT ATHLETES OUTSIDE OF WHAT AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE FROM INDIVIDUAL ATHLETES APPAREL SALES. PERIOD.

We're not talking about Baylor and K-State in a bidding war for a four star running back from Round Rock. The current changes in laws and policy are simply allowing student athletes to participate in the same free market that everyone else is in. This has nothing to do with Gene, or any coach, scholarship limits, minimum varsity teams, none of that.

NCAA v. Alston, NIL legislation, neither of those make student athletes employees, there's no bidding or payroll involved here.

The biggest frustration about K-State fans in particular gnashing our teeth about this is that the reform that allows athletic departments to put cash in student athletes pockets has already happened. Remember the cost of living payments? When we instituted those K-State gave out the highest disbursement per player in the conference and were top 5 nationwide. I don't know where we are now because that hasn't been reported since after the second year it was instituted.

Intentional or not but misframing NIL and the Alston ruling gives fuel to the olds who are bent because they think this means athletic departments will be out there bidding for the services of poor black kids, then it's all like "what about me" or "what about my kid."

I don't disagree with what you've shared on it's face. But, the reality is that the savvy/forward-thinking athletic departments will be able to "connect" student-athletes with organizations that will then pay them in the form of endorsements, etc. That could be any number of things - from being an "influencer" on social media (product endorsement, etc.) to appearances in advertising, etc. Frankly, I think it's a bit obtuse to take the view that athletic departments won't play a crucial role (particularly in those states where legislation is set to take effect). It may not be the athletic department directly paying the athletes. But, I would be absolutely shocked if they don't serve as a facilitator in many instances. And, those that can't/won't/refuse to play that game are likely to be left behind.

This is exactly what's going to happen. To believe that places like Miami or A&M for example, who have already had boosters take recruits out to strip clubs and bought them cars, won't create organizations to pay top players and recruits, is simply being blind to the college landscape of today. You're about to see certain college athletic programs never fall from grace again because they'll simply be able to buy the players they need to get into the 8-12 team playoff every year.

Hell, even if it were to only work like MIR claims, what's to stop a wealthy booster from purchasing (for example), enough t-shirts/jersey's from a department to generate $10k for a player, donate the shirts to charity as a tax write off, and then go out for a drink as the AD hands the kid a check while saying "If you don't transfer, these checks will keep coming"?

In this insanely unlikely scenario, I'd say, who cares it's the market speaking so we'll done for the athlete. In this scenario of everybody will cheat and football players will be up for the highest bidder, why isn't it happening now with cost of living payments?

You really don't think someone is going to buy $500,000 dollars worth of some college football player's jersey and t-shirt do you? That's absurd, why wouldn't this person just hire the athlete for a gig?

This crazy hypocritical notwithstanding it still isn't universities spending money on this. The point, PurpleOil, is that NIL won't have any negative effect on the bottom line of athletic departments.

I've watched our own alumni spend several grand on a buffalo dick cane (yep, that's a thing) just to give money to the football team. So no, it's not a stretch at all to believe that boosters and the university will now collaborate to find new 'legal' methods to funnel money to top recruits and players.

Are you really not going to ignore the difference between making a tax deductible donation to an athletic department to someone using the athletic department to in your words, funnel money to players?

You keep ignoring that a businessman doesn't need the athletic department to illegally pay a player anymore, they can just do it themselves and it's perfectly legal and they can and will contract the athlete. Bringing in the athletic department is the only thing in your fantasy scenario that makes the transaction illegal. It won't happen because it doesn't need to
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 24, 2021, 04:24:12 PM
@Justwin good to know thanks. Do you have any explanation as to how a university with a miniscule cost of living had, at least initially, such a large stipend?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 24, 2021, 04:50:39 PM
A buffalo dick cane, huh? Our rich alumni must do some really weird crap behind closed doors.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ben ji on June 24, 2021, 04:59:48 PM
So who is the richest K-State booster that can start giving out 100k internships? We need someone who owns their own business so that HR cant block them.

Now that Carl Ice has retired from BNSF maybe he starts "ICE Consulting" and brings some athletes on board each summer to glad hand with railroad execs?

How many athletes can Garth's bull farm support?

I'm sure gE could put together 10k a year to hire a some lower level starter as an Admin? :dunno:



Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 25, 2021, 09:26:47 AM
BTW we'll be able to put the power of NIL to the test right away. Jaren Kanak's value here is significantly higher than it will be at Clemson, Alabama, or anywhere else. This doesn't mean he'll pick K-State but we have a pretty clear advantage here.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on June 25, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
A buffalo dick cane, huh? Our rich alumni must do some really weird crap behind closed doors.

Fun stuff goes down at the Scott City nut fry. That I can vouch for!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: IPA4Me on June 26, 2021, 08:34:16 AM
Good follow for the NIL stuff.

https://twitter.com/AmyDashTV/status/1408774466554023946?s=19

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 26, 2021, 08:52:15 AM
Good follow for the NIL stuff.

https://twitter.com/AmyDashTV/status/1408774466554023946?s=19

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She's not referring to NIL, she's referring to schools paying players and I could not disagree with her more. She's ignoring the fact that this has always been an option for athletes in all sports other than football. She's also under the assumption that all three of those leagues are long term solutions for players, they're not, and she's forgetting that the best pro pathway for NBA players is still big time college basketball. This year, depending at what mock you look at there are only 5 projected first rounders who didn't play college basketball, of those 5 only 1 is an American who chose not to play college basketball.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: IPA4Me on June 26, 2021, 08:56:22 AM
She is referring to the nil ruling. She's just five steps ahead. Read her timeline.

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 26, 2021, 09:06:47 AM
She is referring to the nil ruling. She's just five steps ahead. Read her timeline.

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Am I missing something here?
https://twitter.com/AmyDashTV/status/1408773396247220234

I can't emphasize this enough, NIL is great for student athletes, turning college athletics into a minor league is awful for almost all college athletes it will deemphasize education and literally 98% of these dudes are going pro in something other than sports.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 28, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
A buffalo dick cane, huh? Our rich alumni must do some really weird crap behind closed doors.

Fun stuff goes down at the Scott City nut fry. That I can vouch for!

If I were marketing that cane, it would be the Buffalo Billdo.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ChiComCat on June 28, 2021, 08:51:55 AM
A buffalo dick cane, huh? Our rich alumni must do some really weird crap behind closed doors.

Fun stuff goes down at the Scott City nut fry. That I can vouch for!

If I were marketing that cane, it would be the Buffalo Billdo.

 :D
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Justwin on July 01, 2021, 01:10:18 PM
@Justwin good to know thanks. Do you have any explanation as to how a university with a miniscule cost of living had, at least initially, such a large stipend?

I don't have a specific explanation for that and those cost of living amounts were being set long before the NCAA started allowing the stipends.  It includes things like traveling to and from school from home and just all living expenses.

I did notice the seemingly unexplainable disparities between schools in the cost of living amounts.  I've wondered if a a study could be done to show that schools that had low cost of living amounts increased their allowances faster than schools with high amounts.  This would presumably be from pressure from the athletic departments.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KST8FAN on July 01, 2021, 11:04:47 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/ncaa-nil-fresno-state-cavinder-twins-boost-mobile-endorsement-female-athletes-benefit-103459408.html

Tom

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2021, 06:19:27 AM
NIL is survival for the NCAA.

They could take a hard line stance relative to student-athletes (a label they cooked up to win a lawsuit decades ago)  and ask the NBA to drop the 1 year rule and attempt to drag the NFL kicking and screaming into their own academy/development league.   They could wrap themselves in the flag of the student-athlete and declare them's the rules and if you don't like it go to the development/GLeauge/academy/International.   But that waters down the NCAA product (even though they don't get much from football, which if you think about it, is just the weirdest arrangement ever) and upsets the gravy train that is ultimately controlled by the UP's . . . and it hurts a bunch of athletes who have way-to-inflated opinions of their overall abilities.  Found out quickly once it's a job with a paycheck on the line.

The worst part is, the NCAA has had nearly 40 years since OU Regents vs NCAA to prepare for this eventuality, and their preparation over most of that period was ever more draconian rules.  While countless AD's and coaches at least at the P5 level stuffed millions of dollars into their own pocket and UP's charged $1500 bottles of wine and private jet flights off on their athletic department. 

This ultimately culminated in lawsuits and threatened legislative action relative to NIL and a total beatdown in the SCOTUS relative to FCoA/full rights and privilege's. 

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 02, 2021, 08:30:02 AM
I don't think watering down the product really harms college athletics all that much. The universities draw more eyes than the athletes.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: fun muffin on July 02, 2021, 02:12:51 PM
Are there any Kansas State players that have announced any partnerships so far? 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on July 03, 2021, 01:12:12 PM
https://twitter.com/EricDKoch/status/1410960963193511941

https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1411328769051201539
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 04, 2021, 04:14:11 AM
https://twitter.com/powercatmac/status/1411424088694968320
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 06, 2021, 12:43:33 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/miami-booster-offers-540000-nil-endorsement-deal-to-all-hurricanes-scholarship-football-players/
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 06, 2021, 12:48:02 PM
I expect to see every member of the Jayhawks basketball team sign a NIL deal with this company shortly, if it's not already done.

http://firstconstructionllc.com/about.html
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 06, 2021, 03:53:33 PM
I expect to see every member of the Jayhawks basketball team sign a NIL deal with this company shortly, if it's not already done.

http://firstconstructionllc.com/about.html

That would be a pretty poor ROI. Makes sense for football players to endorse a MMA gym. Not sure people spending money on commercial construction will be swayed to spend 7 or 8 figures from a Mitch Lightfoot tweet. Doug Compton is getting full value from whatever arrangement he already has with Kansas Athletics.

I really think this will be an opportunity more for businesses that already don't have preexisting business relationships with these schools athletic departments and that's what we've seen almost exclusively early. Doug Compton gives his 6 or 7 figures annually to KU and he gets all of the access to the athletes, coaches, and facilities he wants. Giving that money straight to the players means he would have to shell out more money to keep the access, what's the benefit to that?

NIL isn't really for Doug Compton, Carl Ice, Melvin Weatherwax, T. Boone (rip); it's for people like the guy owning the MMA Gym, like the owner of Braum's, or the  marketing department at Little Apple Toyota. Even though this type of revenue won't make up most of the money most student-athletes will make. Small to medium businesses will realize real fast that college sports fans don't see the players as much more than laundry hangers with legs. These athletes, for the most part, won't change purchasing habits or drive foot traffic to brick and mortar businesses and the ROY for these businesses won't be worth it. Initially, it will be hilarious who will jut light money on fire for clout though.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 06, 2021, 04:44:26 PM
I think you are entirely missing the point.  They don't give a crap about ROI, unless you are talking about wins.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: nicname on July 08, 2021, 08:37:42 AM
“Ksu cat running back deuce vaughn here. When I’m not scoring touchdowns on the field, I love cruising for chicks in my new Dodge Challenger. And with Briggs auto dot com easy pay financing you can too. So come on down and get your pussy wagon today. Tell em deuce sent ya.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 08, 2021, 09:36:16 AM
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2021, 05:04:12 PM
YOU LOVE TO SEE IT!

https://twitter.com/skylar7thompson/status/1413240226412056576
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wiley on July 08, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
YOU LOVE TO SEE IT!

https://twitter.com/skylar7thompson/status/1413240226412056576
When does the first church step up and employ skyler?

#skyler 3:16(?)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on July 08, 2021, 07:36:51 PM
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

We have no chance in that arms race.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2021, 08:42:06 PM
I think you guys overestimate how many houses need painted in whatever backwoods Alabama town the University of Alabama is in.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2021, 08:43:30 PM
Manhattan's looking pretty rough ridin' incred when you A) get the same house painting money and B) don't have to live in AL/MS/Etc.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2021, 09:39:17 PM
Thank you for your support, college works painting
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

We have no chance in that arms race.

It's also very illegal and not at all what's happening at Miami
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 09, 2021, 07:07:44 AM
The players in Miami are rough ridin' tweeting about the gym, then getting paid.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on July 09, 2021, 07:28:04 AM
The KSU football program probably already has someone doing this ( :pray:), but they need to be going to every big donor and asking them to pay $X per month to every player to sponsor their products, which would require the player to tweet about the product like once a month, or do something like show up and watch an oil well go up an down once a month.  This, of course, will result is almost zero real economic benefit for the people/organizations paying the sponsorship fees.  There is no reasonable pitch for an economic ROI. 

We need to get the "base pay" for every KSU football player to a level where we can go on the recruiting trail and say every single one of our players makes at least $X a month on sponsorship deals. That's where this is all going. Miami is leading the way, but the SEC, USC, etc will be close behind them.

We have no chance in that arms race.

It's also very illegal and not at all what's happening at Miami

I forgot that nothing illegal or sketchy ever happens in Miami, and it certainly never happens with the football program.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 01:11:49 PM
The players in Miami are rough ridin' tweeting about the gym, then getting paid.

In theory it wasn't arranged by the athletic department, that's the illegal part. Could it have been, sure, but if the Kansas State athletic department are asking donors to give players money, they are definitely going to get caught.

K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: SleepFighter on July 09, 2021, 03:43:18 PM
This seems like one of those things that could be "arranged" by the athletic department without being officially arranged by the athletic department extraodinarily easily.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on July 09, 2021, 03:53:59 PM
K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on July 09, 2021, 04:04:47 PM
I'd be telling four star recruits, "look, you can go sit on the bench in obscurity at a place like Texas. Or you can be on the field making a name for yourself and signing endoresement deals at K-State. Seems like a no brainer to me!"
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on July 09, 2021, 04:09:38 PM
This seems like one of those things that could be "arranged" by the athletic department without being officially arranged by the athletic department extraodinarily easily.

Certainly
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 05:35:42 PM
This seems like one of those things that could be "arranged" by the athletic department without being officially arranged by the athletic department extraodinarily easily.

Sure, but what's the motivation for that. This is a high risk, low reward proposition.

K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.

In what scenario in your head could this happen? Who is the school that is going to become appreciably better simply by finding a way to get their players excessive NIL payments? How does this even work? Corvallis gonna become the place to be by offering marketing contracts to student athletes that no one else are offering money to?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 05:37:39 PM
This rogue NIL landscape some of you are painting is very GPC'y.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on July 09, 2021, 06:14:13 PM
K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.

In what scenario in your head could this happen? Who is the school that is going to become appreciably better simply by finding a way to get their players excessive NIL payments? How does this even work? Corvallis gonna become the place to be by offering marketing contracts to student athletes that no one else are offering money to?

Whoever does it first/most.  Miami?  I certainly don’t have a cost analysis at my desk here; my point is that it’s not illogical for a school to want money going from supporters to players, whether that’s to get ahead or keep pace.

I’m the one who said we should’ve hired Saban or Dabo at $30m/year and make money off of whipping ass at football.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 07:24:35 PM
K-State nor any other athletic department are doing that though. Why would they incentivize either current partners or potential partners to give money to 19 year old kids instead of to the department?

It would be smart to encourage both, but even just giving money to players naturally and eventually boosts money going to the school.  If fans/donors were paying players in a way that made it much more attractive to recruits to go to a team, that team would be good and popular and make it where fans/donors pay the school more for sponsorship, tickets, etc.

In what scenario in your head could this happen? Who is the school that is going to become appreciably better simply by finding a way to get their players excessive NIL payments? How does this even work? Corvallis gonna become the place to be by offering marketing contracts to student athletes that no one else are offering money to?

Whoever does it first/most.  Miami?  I certainly don’t have a cost analysis at my desk here; my point is that it’s not illogical for a school to want money going from supporters to players, whether that’s to get ahead or keep pace.

I’m the one who said we should’ve hired Saban or Dabo at $30m/year and make money off of whipping ass at football.

Yeah and no one has or will do that because it's illogical.

Athletic departments don't want their money going to athletes. I feel like maybe I'm missing a point or something because this is obvious. If athletic departments wanted to share their money with athletes, they wouldn't have been forced by politicians to offer NIL. If athletic departments wanted to share their money with athletes to open up the free market, they would just make athletes employees then the rich schools could actually and above the table pay their athletes more than everyone else, instead of doing some weird end around the same rules they themselves created.

I know I've made this point before but if you're Shamrock Trading or Carl and Mary Ice, is your money better spent on slapping your name on the stadium and in doing so get all of the access to the facilities, players, and coaches you want, or do you want to give that to a four star freshman who does nothing for your business and very well may leave at the end of the year because they're behind a junior on the depth chart?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 07:27:34 PM
One more point. The people who least want the athletes to be paid are generally the one with the most money. I really don't think large conservative donors in the south and midwest are all of a sudden going to start throwing their cash around for little to no return, maybe I'll be proven wrong though.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on July 09, 2021, 08:16:21 PM
Yeah and no one has or will do that because it's illogical.

Athletic departments don't want their money going to athletes. I feel like maybe I'm missing a point or something because this is obvious. If athletic departments wanted to share their money with athletes, they wouldn't have been forced by politicians to offer NIL. If athletic departments wanted to share their money with athletes to open up the free market, they would just make athletes employees then the rich schools could actually and above the table pay their athletes more than everyone else, instead of doing some weird end around the same rules they themselves created.

I know I've made this point before but if you're Shamrock Trading or Carl and Mary Ice, is your money better spent on slapping your name on the stadium and in doing so get all of the access to the facilities, players, and coaches you want, or do you want to give that to a four star freshman who does nothing for your business and very well may leave at the end of the year because they're behind a junior on the depth chart?

Miami's done it, and by Miami doing it I mean that Miami players are getting paid by a fan/supporter, and so other schools will want it happening at their schools too in order to not be competitively disadvantaged.  And it will snowball.

Athletic departments don't want to share their money with athletes.  But now this has happened and they'll have to adapt.  It's not going to bust their budget if a donor shifts $500 of a large donation to an athlete, or better yet, gives an additional $500 to an athlete.  But if that $500 to an athlete gets an athlete to a school or gets them to stay at a school or inspires them to play better and that school wins, that school will ultimately make money off that donor having given $500 to an athlete.

If Shamrock Trading and the Ices are sponsoring the stuff they do for ROI, then yeah, they're not the people who will pay the whole football team to tweet.  I suspect they're doing it for some combination of wanting to support KSU, tax deductions, prestige and perks, more so than ROI but whatever.  On the other hand, there's people who are diehard fans that will, now that it's allowed, just want to do whatever absurd deal is required to fit in these rules to entice the best players to come and stay at KSU so that KSU wins more games.

I'd much rather have given money to Daniel Sams than to KSU.  We could've had him tweet to promote an online art installation by renowned painter steve dave.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
the ncaa has lost the steering wheel (because they suck bigtime and steering it) and won't get it back. agree with trim here.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 09:29:12 PM
Yeah and no one has or will do that because it's illogical.

Athletic departments don't want their money going to athletes. I feel like maybe I'm missing a point or something because this is obvious. If athletic departments wanted to share their money with athletes, they wouldn't have been forced by politicians to offer NIL. If athletic departments wanted to share their money with athletes to open up the free market, they would just make athletes employees then the rich schools could actually and above the table pay their athletes more than everyone else, instead of doing some weird end around the same rules they themselves created.

I know I've made this point before but if you're Shamrock Trading or Carl and Mary Ice, is your money better spent on slapping your name on the stadium and in doing so get all of the access to the facilities, players, and coaches you want, or do you want to give that to a four star freshman who does nothing for your business and very well may leave at the end of the year because they're behind a junior on the depth chart?

Miami's done it, and by Miami doing it I mean that Miami players are getting paid by a fan/supporter, and so other schools will want it happening at their schools too in order to not be competitively disadvantaged.  And it will snowball.

Athletic departments don't want to share their money with athletes.  But now this has happened and they'll have to adapt.  It's not going to bust their budget if a donor shifts $500 of a large donation to an athlete, or better yet, gives an additional $500 to an athlete.  But if that $500 to an athlete gets an athlete to a school or gets them to stay at a school or inspires them to play better and that school wins, that school will ultimately make money off that donor having given $500 to an athlete.

If Shamrock Trading and the Ices are sponsoring the stuff they do for ROI, then yeah, they're not the people who will pay the whole football team to tweet.  I suspect they're doing it for some combination of wanting to support KSU, tax deductions, prestige and perks, more so than ROI but whatever.  On the other hand, there's people who are diehard fans that will, now that it's allowed, just want to do whatever absurd deal is required to fit in these rules to entice the best players to come and stay at KSU so that KSU wins more games.

I'd much rather have given money to Daniel Sams than to KSU.  We could've had him tweet to promote an online art installation by renowned painter steve dave.

This conversation has taken a different turn and you're bringing up stuff I haven't argued against. I said that schools won't collaborate with donors to pull money out of their own pockets and break their own rules to give athletes money instead of themselves. If they thought making players up for the highest bidder was the way to make more money for themselves they would have done that long ago.

Of course there are people more willing to give players money than athletic departments but there aren't nearly enough of them to make even the smallest dent, and you can bet your ass that if you did give Daniel Sams an endorsement deal instead of donating to the Ahearn Fund that you and or your business would be immediately put on a call list and they wouldn't try to get their hands in your pockets even if that meant taking money from Sams.

I'd certainly pay for an athlete to come to my kid's birthday party and I'd pay an athlete to give my kids some private lessons but I sure in the hell wouldn't pay an athlete to tweet some bullshit and you wouldn't either. You certainly could prove me wrong and find an athlete anywhere you're willing to blow some money on.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2021, 09:30:01 PM
the ncaa has lost the steering wheel (because they suck bigtime and steering it) and won't get it back. agree with trim here.

Agree with what? That what may happen with that donor at Miami is going to be something that isn't an extreme exception to the rule? I absolutely will not agree with that. Of course every school will want a donor like the mma guy at Miami, but hardly any of the schools will find someone willing to do that. I don't even think he will do what he's doing beyond this year. He's not even putting up all of the money, he's seeking other business partners and donations from people.

The NCAA definitely lost the steering wheel when it comes to NIL, there's no doubt there but I don't know how that's relevant in this context.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2021, 09:57:14 PM
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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2021, 09:57:50 PM
I don’t have strong feelings and didn’t consider those things


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 11, 2021, 08:26:19 AM


https://247sports.com/Article/scott-frost-nebraska-football-coach-hot-seat-contract-buyout-bill-moos-athletic-director-2021-season-167626122/

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"Dennis, I think it's a really interesting one," 247Sports origination editor and national recruiting analyst Bud Elliott said of Frost and Nebraska. "I think Nebraska is more likely than not to make a game. But they're a school, I think, will benefit greatly on the recruiting trail from NIL (name, image and likeness). Right? Like, they have people who want to support the program. I don't know that they always are pedal to the metal with how they do it currently ... and there's not very many other things to endorse in the state of Nebraska.

"Whereas, if you're at Miami ... there has been players getting endorsements. But the influencer market in Miami, it's pretty crowded, right? There's a lot of folks that go to Miami that are influencers. In Nebraska, you kind of could really corner that market. I'm interested to see if that job is more attractive now because of the influencer potential."


Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: hatingfrancisco on July 12, 2021, 11:15:25 AM
Can someone explain to me why I haven't seen a Jax Dineen tweet promoting gE.com yet?

Mods?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 'taterblast on July 14, 2021, 01:08:53 PM
i'm glad he at least has this talking point developed

https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1415372118343225348?s=20
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2021, 02:08:31 PM
https://twitter.com/SXMCollege/status/1415379051095760903?s=20
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2021, 11:47:35 PM
https://twitter.com/SXMCollege/status/1415379051095760903?s=20

WTF is he doing? I don't understand why he feels the need to put a negative voice to this. What does he think he has to gain by speaking this way? I know who won't hear this and be pumped up about it, student athletes certainly won't.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on July 15, 2021, 06:59:08 AM
You didn't honestly believe K-State would be a pioneer on the NIL frontier now did you?

Most of our alumni believe that we should only recruit kids who want to play football and get a degree the old fashion way. Then, maybe their senior year we'll give them a jersey deal, you know, if the season is going well. Gene and his stance is nothing more than a reflection of this.

We'll get smoked for a few years on this front, and then when the mouth breathers have finally realized that college football is just a minor league for the NFL, we'll finally start trying to compete.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 15, 2021, 07:14:51 AM
You didn't honestly believe K-State would be a pioneer on the NIL frontier now did you?

Most of our alumni believe that we should only recruit kids who want to play football and get a degree the old fashion way. Then, maybe their senior year we'll give them a jersey deal, you know, if the season is going well. Gene and his stance is nothing more than a reflection of this.

We'll get smoked for a few years on this front, and then when the mouth breathers have finally realized that college football is just a minor league for the NFL, we'll finally start trying to compete.

This.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
https://twitter.com/SXMCollege/status/1415379051095760903?s=20

WTF is he doing? I don't understand why he feels the need to put a negative voice to this. What does he think he has to gain by speaking this way? I know who won't hear this and be pumped up about it, student athletes certainly won't.
I've always tried to back him, because people irrationally hate him for no reason, but he's really showing his ass here.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on July 15, 2021, 08:17:37 AM
What's the point of having a fancy stadium if it's not going to be half empty on game day?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Spracne on July 15, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
Haven't listened to it, but that quote says it all. Complains about the talent wanting to get paid and then turns around and calls it a business in the same breath.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on July 15, 2021, 08:47:07 AM
https://twitter.com/SXMCollege/status/1415379051095760903?s=20

WTF is he doing? I don't understand why he feels the need to put a negative voice to this. What does he think he has to gain by speaking this way? I know who won't hear this and be pumped up about it, student athletes certainly won't.
I've always tried to back him, because people irrationally hate him for no reason, but he's really showing his ass here.

have you ever thought that maybe people rationally hate him for a lot of reasons?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2021, 09:03:06 AM
No. Not at all. Especially 'stone who hates every leader who's been apart of K-state since he attended the University back in the 1950's.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 15, 2021, 09:05:35 AM
I am advocating for gE to use our future enormous internet blog advertising profits (previous piles of gE cash used to outfit a study hall in the gorgeous new KSU library) to pay players to endorse gE.  If Gene says no, then my vote is that we endorse KU players instead.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on July 15, 2021, 09:12:36 AM
Also I am not really hoping that KU just destroys KSU in NIL $, and that KU pushes the envelope to the damn moon on this.  I will enjoy watching the tide turn against Gene.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on July 15, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
No. Not at all. Especially 'stone who hates every leader who's been apart of K-state since he attended the University back in the 1950's.

at least he's consistent.  nothing much has changed within k-state's leadership culture since that time.  wefald set the stage and cued up the ball, only for the next group to grab it hit a slow liner to 2nd base.  a lot of people want more for the university than good enough.  gene is just the latest in a long line of good enoughers. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2021, 10:02:46 AM
No. Not at all. Especially 'stone who hates every leader who's been apart of K-state since he attended the University back in the 1950's.

at least he's consistent.  nothing much has changed within k-state's leadership culture since that time.  wefald set the stage and cued up the ball, only for the next group to grab it hit a slow liner to 2nd base.  a lot of people want more for the university than good enough.  gene is just the latest in a long line of good enoughers.
I think it's important, for sanity purposes, to tune out people who want everyone fired other than Frank Martin. Back dated since the 1980's, there's many who think that the only acceptable leader that's been hired, to walk through those doors since they've been in college, is Frank and that guy has missed the tourney 7 out of his last 8 years. Sometimes it's important to mix reality with expectations.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2021, 10:57:47 AM
You didn't honestly believe K-State would be a pioneer on the NIL frontier now did you?

Most of our alumni believe that we should only recruit kids who want to play football and get a degree the old fashion way. Then, maybe their senior year we'll give them a jersey deal, you know, if the season is going well. Gene and his stance is nothing more than a reflection of this.

We'll get smoked for a few years on this front, and then when the mouth breathers have finally realized that college football is just a minor league for the NFL, we'll finally start trying to compete.

No, I didn't expect K-State to be a pioneer on NIL. I don't even know if that's a thing that exists. What I did expect is that the athletic director didn't sound regressive every time he opens his mouth up about the subject.

K-State's fan bases view on college athletes and college athletics isn't any different than any other school. In fact reading other message boards, our online presence tends to skew a very slight bit more progressive on student athlete issues than certainly SEC schools and most big 12 schools.

Any athletic director can hide their regressive views behind fans if they want to, but only Gene and Vince Tyra have made quotes that seem as if they aren't fully embracing this. Most other athletic directors have the good sense to just stfu.

Despite gene's whining, I don't think us or anyone else will "get smoked" on NIL. Like with implementation of the cost of living checks, I think fans will and are freaking out about this but the overall impact on the sport won't be anywhere close to what people think it is.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MadCat on July 15, 2021, 12:38:21 PM
Pound the Stone; Don't Cross the Line
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on July 17, 2021, 03:54:09 PM
Who will be the first goEMAW recruit?

https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1416499461702963204
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on July 17, 2021, 06:39:40 PM
This is a great incentive for gE.  Grab a few emaw players and interview them for some pocket cash.  With all the fees and spare cash in your vault, mods could pay a nice fee and see a lot of pocket cash.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 17, 2021, 08:09:18 PM
TexAgs lol of course they'd do something that stupid.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KST8FAN on July 18, 2021, 10:27:28 AM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31834394/michigan-athletics-official-retail-store-partners-players-sell-jerseys-names-back

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
I sure in hell hope every school is doing that, all the way down to D3.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: 8manpick on July 18, 2021, 06:01:26 PM
Who will be the first goEMAW recruit?

https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1416499461702963204
Damn it, we’re behind
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2021, 09:28:10 AM

So far, I think I have been 100% correct about how the NIL would play out.

https://twitter.com/FowlerAuto/status/1438947997140799499?s=20

https://twitter.com/FowlerAuto/status/1438948417376595974?s=20
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2021, 09:36:06 AM
I don't understand that at all. I'm so happy these athletes are starting to get something, but from a business perspective that makes zero sense at all. That deal isn't keeping Rattler at OU and no one is buying a $40,000 vehicle because Spencer Rattler had one given to him.

I guess I underestimated the need for some people to be close to 20 year old football players.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KCFDcat on September 18, 2021, 10:25:21 AM
I don't understand that at all. I'm so happy these athletes are starting to get something, but from a business perspective that makes zero sense at all. That deal isn't keeping Rattler at OU and no one is buying a $40,000 vehicle because Spencer Rattler had one given to him.

I guess I underestimated the need for some people to be close to 20 year old football players.

I think you’re grossly overestimating the business acumen of an Oklahoma car dealership owner.

They’re not doing it because it helps their business, they’re doing it because it gives them a little bit of access to OU football and so they can brag to their friends.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on September 18, 2021, 10:29:44 AM
I don't understand that at all. I'm so happy these athletes are starting to get something, but from a business perspective that makes zero sense at all. That deal isn't keeping Rattler at OU and no one is buying a $40,000 vehicle because Spencer Rattler had one given to him.

I guess I underestimated the need for some people to be close to 20 year old football players.

Just spitballing here, but my guess is that it has less to do with “oh I wanna drive what Spencer rattler is driving!” And more along the lines of “I am in the market for a new car, and I’m also a big fan of ou football and I know that Fowler auto is shelling out a lot of boondoggles to attract top talent to play football at ou and like I said I’m a huge fan so I’ll probably buy a car from Fowler in the hopes that they will continue to use some of that money to entice talented athletes to come to ou”
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Skipper44 on September 18, 2021, 11:53:29 AM
BAC is right on plus they probably will mke more money when these signed Rattler vehicles after writing them off as advertising
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: konofo on September 20, 2021, 05:53:40 PM
That deal isn't keeping Rattler at OU and no one is buying a $40,000 vehicle because Spencer Rattler had one given to him.

It's possibly less about Rattler and more about the next guy, and the next guy.  Establishing a precedent of such perks has to be a solid recruiting tool.

kono
Title: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on September 20, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
I don't understand that at all. I'm so happy these athletes are starting to get something, but from a business perspective that makes zero sense at all. That deal isn't keeping Rattler at OU and no one is buying a $40,000 vehicle because Spencer Rattler had one given to him.

I guess I underestimated the need for some people to be close to 20 year old football players.
He doesn’t get those vehicles though (not saying you are saying he does btw). He gets to drive them. Local radio personalities, college and nfl coaches, etc have been getting to drive demo vehicles in exchange for their work forever. It’s not much of an expense to the dealer. They will turn around and sell that thing at close to new value as a demo vehicle.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 20, 2021, 07:32:09 PM
I don't understand that at all. I'm so happy these athletes are starting to get something, but from a business perspective that makes zero sense at all. That deal isn't keeping Rattler at OU and no one is buying a $40,000 vehicle because Spencer Rattler had one given to him.

I guess I underestimated the need for some people to be close to 20 year old football players.
He doesn’t get those vehicles though (not saying you are saying he does btw). He gets to drive them. Local radio personalities, college and nfl coaches, etc have been getting to drive demo vehicles in exchange for their work forever. It’s not much of an expense to the dealer. They will turn around and sell that thing at close to new value as a demo vehicle.

Good points :thumbs:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on September 20, 2021, 08:45:36 PM
the last thing a kid his age needs to be driving is a charger scat pack wide body.  those things are a million times easier to wrap around a tree than they are to drive. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on October 05, 2021, 06:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/mickakers/status/1445492600161538059
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2021, 06:44:14 PM
Briggs needs to step the eff up
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: schreds21 on October 05, 2021, 07:30:20 PM
the last thing a kid his age needs to be driving is a charger scat pack wide body.  those things are a million times easier to wrap around a tree than they are to drive.
  :cyclist:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on October 05, 2021, 08:09:33 PM
wildcat creek should offer free carts
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on October 05, 2021, 08:18:34 PM
Free fries from Vista! STEP THE eff UP, VISTA!!!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KST8FAN on October 05, 2021, 09:22:00 PM
Free fries from Vista! STEP THE eff UP, VISTA!!!
Do they still sell the box o' fries?


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on October 05, 2021, 09:32:27 PM
This is all going to make the Mustang very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2021, 10:03:56 PM
This is all going to make the Mustang very uncomfortable.

Well if so hopefully he doesn't feel the need to call up the media, again, to vent about it.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 06, 2021, 07:55:39 AM
the last thing a kid his age needs to be driving is a charger scat pack wide body.  those things are a million times easier to wrap around a tree than they are to drive.
It’s IRL a bad thing just waiting to happen.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 06, 2021, 10:42:16 AM
When the deuce is on the loose.. Call Cat Cans for all of your portable waste needs.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2021, 12:19:00 PM
https://twitter.com/politicalsock/status/1468231328344780810

This was posted on texags so I can't verify accuracy but let's do this
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2021, 12:36:41 PM
Hell of a deal. The IRS is going to a have field day with this in a few years.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 07, 2021, 01:40:44 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on December 07, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
Pretty sure those boys will be paying gift tax on nil funds.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2021, 08:38:06 PM
Compliance departments has shifted from having to protect the interests of the athletic departments to that of the student athletes. That supposed nonprofit NIL seems like a real bad idea, and if I were the parent of a kid receiving it, I'd be worried about it too. That much money for nothing seems like you're owing someone and who knows what they'd insist you would have to do to make those people feel fulfilled.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: jc_jax on December 08, 2021, 08:27:35 AM
My Dad (a CPA) was wondering if the students that receive some type of benefit will have to file a tax return in every state they play a game in.  He said that in the continuous learning training he takes to maintain his CPA, the answer to that is not really known.  Maybe it depends on how they are compensated I guess.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: OB_Won on December 08, 2021, 11:30:44 AM
My Dad (a CPA) was wondering if the students that receive some type of benefit will have to file a tax return in every state they play a game in.  He said that in the continuous learning training he takes to maintain his CPA, the answer to that is not really known.  Maybe it depends on how they are compensated I guess.
Why? Where does he live, and where is he employed? Does Steve Dave have to file a state income tax for every place he travels to on business?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 08, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
My Dad (a CPA) was wondering if the students that receive some type of benefit will have to file a tax return in every state they play a game in.  He said that in the continuous learning training he takes to maintain his CPA, the answer to that is not really known.  Maybe it depends on how they are compensated I guess.
Why? Where does he live, and where is he employed? Does Steve Dave have to file a state income tax for every place he travels to on business?

That's what I was thinking. I've worked in multiple states before for the same company, but I only had to file a tax return for the state where I lived/resided. Just because a person's work requires them to cross state lines doesn't mean they need multiple tax returns.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 08, 2021, 12:59:42 PM
Pro athletes get paid (and have to file) in the state where the game is played. I believe that's where the confusion comes from. College athletes aren't getting game checks though so none of that matters.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Cardiac Cats on December 08, 2021, 03:15:13 PM
My Dad (a CPA) was wondering if the students that receive some type of benefit will have to file a tax return in every state they play a game in.  He said that in the continuous learning training he takes to maintain his CPA, the answer to that is not really known.  Maybe it depends on how they are compensated I guess.
Why? Where does he live, and where is he employed? Does Steve Dave have to file a state income tax for every place he travels to on business?

Potentially yes.. depends on reciprocity between the states or if it’s one of the 9 states without income tax. Some cities have their own too. If you spend a certain amount of days in NYC for work, get to pay NYC tax too.

https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-2021-business-traveler-tax-planning-tips
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 14, 2021, 05:42:27 PM
https://twitter.com/RJ_Young/status/1470858994549985289
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wiley on December 14, 2021, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/RJ_Young/status/1470858994549985289
Oh the horror
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2021, 08:16:55 PM
My my my how the turntables
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on December 15, 2021, 12:22:29 AM
I Wonder WTF these coaches are crying about, are they afraid their players may make money like they make money off these kids. Cry me a flood of "crap they make an that money, sucker".  :lol:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 15, 2021, 02:26:59 AM
Chizik being dumb as well

https://twitter.com/whoyagothere/status/1470934845916389377?t=NVUHtWX1U0-gxkwZPanlcA&s=19

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on December 15, 2021, 07:26:57 AM
We cannot hope to complete a football anymore.  It's just too expensive.  We'd better fire oscar ASAP and ignite basketball, and hope to pay 3 - 5 of them at the "highest level" and stay decent at something.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2021, 08:29:24 AM
People are going to stop caring about college sports altogether pretty soon, anyway. Might as well put the money into a scholarship fund or something.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2021, 08:50:47 AM
lol
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 15, 2021, 09:03:57 AM
We cannot hope to complete a football anymore. 

I know you meant "compete at" but what you posted could also apply to our QBs' passing.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
We cannot hope to complete a football anymore. 

I know you meant "compete at" but what you posted could also apply to our QBs' passing.

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2021, 10:20:47 AM
We cannot hope to complete a football anymore.  It's just too expensive.  We'd better fire oscar ASAP and ignite basketball, and hope to pay 3 - 5 of them at the "highest level" and stay decent at something.
You think the nu-B12 will have a lot more NIL money to hand out? We'll be competitive with our new peers
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
Whenever I see people on here concerned about competitive imbalance with regards NIL I assume they are just gE'ing. :dunno:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 15, 2021, 10:47:24 AM
When are Carl and Mary Ice gonna start gifting duffle bags full of money is my question in all of this.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 15, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
impossible to fully quantify but would be interested to know if the dollar amounts changing hands has even changed
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2021, 12:11:20 PM
impossible to fully quantify but would be interested to know if the dollar amounts changing hands has even changed

Not impossible to qualify, the answer is yes, a lot more athletes are getting money. My frustration on NIL conversations are they are almost always extremely narrow in scope and it's what football and men's basketball players are getting large sums of money. That's not even the point of NIL. There were so many ridiculous restrictions on ways these athletes can get money that are no longer there. It's not really about someone handing someone else the mythical bag of cash but it's about athletes having the ability to cultivate their own brands from doing anything from television ads to now being able to tutor and give sports lessons.

Everybody can eat now if they want to, all of this money is just sitting there. If Deuce decided to run his own boot camp this summer he'd absolutely clean up.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: PhoCat on December 15, 2021, 12:31:31 PM
Everybody can eat now if they want to, all of this money is just sitting there. If Deuce decided to run his own boot camp this summer he'd absolutely clean up.

I can see it now.  Deuce Vaughn and Daniel Green run their own camp.  They call it the "Double Deuce." 

If only Patrick Swayze were still alive, he could show up for a day and show some super secret special moves.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 15, 2021, 12:32:06 PM
impossible to fully quantify but would be interested to know if the dollar amounts changing hands has even changed

Not impossible to qualify, the answer is yes, a lot more athletes are getting money. My frustration on NIL conversations are they are almost always extremely narrow in scope and it's what football and men's basketball players are getting large sums of money. That's not even the point of NIL. There were so many ridiculous restrictions on ways these athletes can get money that are no longer there. It's not really about someone handing someone else the mythical bag of cash but it's about athletes having the ability to cultivate their own brands from doing anything from television ads to now being able to tutor and give sports lessons.

Everybody can eat now if they want to, all of this money is just sitting there. If Deuce decided to run his own boot camp this summer he'd absolutely clean up.

Learn how to Texas Deuce-Step, or How to Drop a Deuce on the Defense with Deuce Vaughn
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 15, 2021, 12:51:11 PM
impossible to fully quantify but would be interested to know if the dollar amounts changing hands has even changed

Not impossible to qualify, the answer is yes, a lot more athletes are getting money. My frustration on NIL conversations are they are almost always extremely narrow in scope and it's what football and men's basketball players are getting large sums of money. That's not even the point of NIL. There were so many ridiculous restrictions on ways these athletes can get money that are no longer there. It's not really about someone handing someone else the mythical bag of cash but it's about athletes having the ability to cultivate their own brands from doing anything from television ads to now being able to tutor and give sports lessons.

Everybody can eat now if they want to, all of this money is just sitting there. If Deuce decided to run his own boot camp this summer he'd absolutely clean up.


That's all true.  But also true is that any rich superfan who's way too into college football or basketball can effectively pay players to play for the school.  There's no business sense or cost-benefit analysis happening in those scenarios, just Happy from Blue Chips wanting to spend his money on Western whipping ass at hoops and feeling like a big shot in making it happen.  Maybe that big shot status peripherally translates into some financial gain by common fans then supporting that person's business, but I don't think that's a driving consideration.

So we'll see if there's that many weirdos out there into college sports that they will make such large payments in exchange for whatever satisfaction that brings them.  I know you don't think that will happen much because you wouldn't throw your money at something like that that offers no/little financial return to you or a business you own, but there are definitely people who will and find it more productive/satisfying than paying the school to put their name on a jumbotron.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2021, 02:26:16 PM
It's not really any different than a large donor contributing to buy out a coach.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2021, 02:29:53 PM
My favorite quote from Kiffin was you can’t sign them to a contract lol
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 15, 2021, 02:33:27 PM
It's not really any different than a large donor contributing to buy out a coach.

They get stuff for that though - whatever rewards come from absurd donations to the respective versions of Ahearn Fund, getting crap named after them, etc.  Here, the school is ostensibly cut out of that so there isn't that certain tangible reward for giving money to a kid.  Of course, it'll be good if there's informal coordination that connects players and donor fans that help make it a win-win-win for all.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: schreds21 on December 15, 2021, 03:25:24 PM

That's all true.  But also true is that any rich superfan who's way too into college football or basketball can effectively pay players to play for the school.  There's no business sense or cost-benefit analysis happening in those scenarios, just Happy from Blue Chips wanting to spend his money on Western whipping ass at hoops and feeling like a big shot in making it happen.  Maybe that big shot status peripherally translates into some financial gain by common fans then supporting that person's business, but I don't think that's a driving consideration.

So we'll see if there's that many weirdos out there into college sports that they will make such large payments in exchange for whatever satisfaction that brings them.  I know you don't think that will happen much because you wouldn't throw your money at something like that that offers no/little financial return to you or a business you own, but there are definitely people who will and find it more productive/satisfying than paying the school to put their name on a jumbotron.
Like that guy from Miami a few years ago, right?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2021, 05:08:59 PM

That's all true.  But also true is that any rich superfan who's way too into college football or basketball can effectively pay players to play for the school.  There's no business sense or cost-benefit analysis happening in those scenarios, just Happy from Blue Chips wanting to spend his money on Western whipping ass at hoops and feeling like a big shot in making it happen.  Maybe that big shot status peripherally translates into some financial gain by common fans then supporting that person's business, but I don't think that's a driving consideration.

So we'll see if there's that many weirdos out there into college sports that they will make such large payments in exchange for whatever satisfaction that brings them.  I know you don't think that will happen much because you wouldn't throw your money at something like that that offers no/little financial return to you or a business you own, but there are definitely people who will and find it more productive/satisfying than paying the school to put their name on a jumbotron.
Like that guy from Miami a few years ago, right?

Yeah and it earned them the 63rd ranked recruiting class
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2021, 07:43:31 PM
impossible to fully quantify but would be interested to know if the dollar amounts changing hands has even changed

Not impossible to qualify, the answer is yes, a lot more athletes are getting money. My frustration on NIL conversations are they are almost always extremely narrow in scope and it's what football and men's basketball players are getting large sums of money. That's not even the point of NIL. There were so many ridiculous restrictions on ways these athletes can get money that are no longer there. It's not really about someone handing someone else the mythical bag of cash but it's about athletes having the ability to cultivate their own brands from doing anything from television ads to now being able to tutor and give sports lessons.

Everybody can eat now if they want to, all of this money is just sitting there. If Deuce decided to run his own boot camp this summer he'd absolutely clean up.


That's all true.  But also true is that any rich superfan who's way too into college football or basketball can effectively pay players to play for the school.  There's no business sense or cost-benefit analysis happening in those scenarios, just Happy from Blue Chips wanting to spend his money on Western whipping ass at hoops and feeling like a big shot in making it happen.  Maybe that big shot status peripherally translates into some financial gain by common fans then supporting that person's business, but I don't think that's a driving consideration.

So we'll see if there's that many weirdos out there into college sports that they will make such large payments in exchange for whatever satisfaction that brings them.  I know you don't think that will happen much because you wouldn't throw your money at something like that that offers no/little financial return to you or a business you own, but there are definitely people who will and find it more productive/satisfying than paying the school to put their name on a jumbotron.

They were already doing it, we just didn’t see it.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on December 16, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
If the richest fans care enough, it's a golden opportunity to raise Kstate's profile as a football program.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 08:14:46 AM
No it isn't.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on December 16, 2021, 08:28:01 AM
When are Carl and Mary Ice gonna start gifting duffle bags full of money is my question in all of this.

Better question, when is goEMAW going to start using the piles of cash they have to get us a Natty?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ELL3 on December 16, 2021, 09:01:46 AM
The fact Carl Ice loves Oscar Weber and Gene Taylor indicates he is not going to play the give guys money game and is content on being baad to average in sports.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 09:05:23 AM
The fact Carl Ice loves Oscar Weber and Gene Taylor indicates he is not going to play the give guys money game and is content on being baad to average in sports.

lol
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on December 16, 2021, 09:05:28 AM
No it isn't.
I want you to be clear here, so you do not think we could increase our recruiting progress and wins if we paid recruits a eff ton of cash?

Because I think both would be better in that scenario. And I'm right about that.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 10:04:16 AM
No it isn't.
I want you to be clear here, so you do not think we could increase our recruiting progress and wins if we paid recruits a eff ton of cash?

Because I think both would be better in that scenario. And I'm right about that.

I don't think it would hurt but with the first NIL class nearly completely in the books, it doesn't appear as if NIL has been a difference maker at all for anyone. The two most high profile NIL team deals were for Miami and BYU and neither of them had even what would be construed as good classes.

Globally, I do think it's somewhat insulting that all of these recruits and their families would base their decisions simply on who has the best NIL deal. There are a lot of factors that go into these college choices, in most cases that choice is an investment in their future. Look at Mudia Reuben, his NIL potential is way higher being a local kid signing at a school that cares deeply about football, that didn't help us one bit and I'm certain the guarantee of $10,000 a year wouldn't have changed that.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 16, 2021, 10:42:12 AM
Did Quinn Ewers get 1 million in a deal to go to tOSU?  That was a hilarious waste of money.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 10:50:03 AM
 :dunno: but if one dude getting a million dollars isn't enough to keep him for even the entire season doesn't indicate that NIL isn't going to be this thing that will make Arizona as good as LSU, nothing will.

If that deal was even real Ewers clearly felt he had a lot more to lose in future earnings by staying there.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on December 16, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
I think it's foolish to look at 1 year's data set to try and predict how this will affect recruiting forever.

Of course schools that pay the most are going to increase their recruiting prowess. It's absurd to think otherwise.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 03:16:10 PM
I think it's foolish to look at 1 year's data set to try and predict how this will affect recruiting forever.

Of course schools that pay the most are going to increase their recruiting prowess. It's absurd to think otherwise.

I'm willing to bet that after five years, there will be no power shift due to NIL. You'll see the little guys get one offs, like Jackson State did yesterday. But 150 years of college football tradition isn't going to get flipped on it's head because of this. The powers have not changed and won't change. I think NIL will do what the scholarship reduction did and that's expanding the middle class, it didn't change who the elites are.

If Carl Ice decided to dedicate his millions exclusively to NIL, it might pull us out of the 50s into the fringes of the top 25 classes. If we were able to match Carl's millions with a top 5 coach with a dynamite recruiting staff, we might have a great year or two, until a school with 8 Carl Ice's comes and take that coach.

This thought that a booster could pull a program into something they aren't, without consideration of all the other things that make a program elite is a fantasy. We have all the evidence you want to see already out there. Oregon has now lost two straight pedestrian head coaches to programs who were currently terrible but are historical powers with built in advantages that Oregon doesn't have. Ole Miss had the #1 recruiting class with a dude perceived to be a decent coach, they couldn't even get a division title and couldn't sustain being top 25 while that class was still in school.

There's been no restrictions on a school simply buying a championship, ever wonder why it hasn't happened yet?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 16, 2021, 03:17:37 PM
I think kids ultimately want to get to the NFL and want to go to the place that they think gives them the best chance of doing that.  Getting 200k over four years to go to an other wise shitty school with poor coaching and sub par facilities is a penny wise pound foolish thing for a kid to do.  I think you will just see the powerhouse programs continue to be the powerhouse programs and maybe the gap between those schools and the rest widens a bit.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 03:28:14 PM
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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on December 16, 2021, 07:58:01 PM
I think it's foolish to look at 1 year's data set to try and predict how this will affect recruiting forever.

Of course schools that pay the most are going to increase their recruiting prowess. It's absurd to think otherwise.

I'm willing to bet that after five years, there will be no power shift due to NIL. You'll see the little guys get one offs, like Jackson State did yesterday. But 150 years of college football tradition isn't going to get flipped on it's head because of this. The powers have not changed and won't change. I think NIL will do what the scholarship reduction did and that's expanding the middle class, it didn't change who the elites are.

If Carl Ice decided to dedicate his millions exclusively to NIL, it might pull us out of the 50s into the fringes of the top 25 classes. If we were able to match Carl's millions with a top 5 coach with a dynamite recruiting staff, we might have a great year or two, until a school with 8 Carl Ice's comes and take that coach.

This thought that a booster could pull a program into something they aren't, without consideration of all the other things that make a program elite is a fantasy. We have all the evidence you want to see already out there. Oregon has now lost two straight pedestrian head coaches to programs who were currently terrible but are historical powers with built in advantages that Oregon doesn't have. Ole Miss had the #1 recruiting class with a dude perceived to be a decent coach, they couldn't even get a division title and couldn't sustain being top 25 while that class was still in school.

There's been no restrictions on a school simply buying a championship, ever wonder why it hasn't happened yet?
I'm going to ignore all the strawman in your post and just say thanks for acknowledging I was right. I think having rich donors, with no concern about spending on recruits, could take us 20-30 spots up in recruiting.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2021, 08:47:58 PM
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Okay bud, it's all yours
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2021, 01:22:14 PM
Jackson State just flipped the #2 rated recruit in America from FSU. Rumors he's getting upwards of $1 million in NIL from Barstool Sports.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on December 17, 2021, 01:54:54 PM
Prime doesn’t flip #2 recruits, he flips #1 recruits
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on December 19, 2021, 03:45:37 PM
Portal Kombat PLUS NIL has drastically changed the game of recruiting and keeping players. 

NIL adds one more thing to the list of "must haves" for schools to compete (i.e. add this to the list of a good coach, nice stadium, indoor practice facility, weight room, program history and now access to good NIL deals)

Portal Kombat gives schools like us a second chance at recruiting (provided we develop a decent list of NIL sponsors).  We are a great landing place for those overrated 4 and 5 stars that are buried on the bench at Bluebood U behind better 4 and 5 stars. We have the facilities, a good coach (hopefully ) but we need NILs to keep pace, not with the Bluebloods, but with the other Top 30ish type programs.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on January 18, 2022, 12:17:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MattRHinton/status/1483498980000641026
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on January 18, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
https://twitter.com/MattRHinton/status/1483498980000641026


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But I wasn’t into A&M. First, I didn’t like their uniforms. That was a big factor for me as an 18-year-old who wanted to look cool. Second, the student body was about two-thirds male. When I visited, it seemed like there were no girls, just a bunch of dudes from the school’s Corps of Cadets in military uniforms. They didn’t even have cheerleaders; they had male “yell leaders.” It just wasn’t what I was envisioning for my college experience.

IFUCKINGKNOWRITE!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on January 18, 2022, 07:27:29 PM
I'm just wondering, is there anyone on the team getting NIL money?  And if so, what are the details?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Spracne on January 18, 2022, 07:35:38 PM
I'm just wondering, is there anyone on the team getting NIL money?  And if so, what are the details?

Case IH is loaning Deuce a combine.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ben ji on January 18, 2022, 09:47:26 PM
I'm just wondering, is there anyone on the team getting NIL money?  And if so, what are the details?
I've heard Skylar doing some radio ads for Briggs or some other car dealership
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on January 19, 2022, 11:38:29 PM
So basically NIL is not a part of recruiting for KSU FB or BB players.  :'bye cruel world:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on January 20, 2022, 07:25:54 AM
So basically NIL is not a part of recruiting for KSU FB or BB players.  :'bye cruel world:
I've been assured paying players won't really help or hurt.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KCFDcat on January 20, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
I'm just wondering, is there anyone on the team getting NIL money?  And if so, what are the details?
I've heard Skylar doing some radio ads for Briggs or some other car dealership

pretty sure he has some sort of partnership w jack stack bbq too, based off his IG
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 20, 2022, 08:59:20 AM
I'm just wondering, is there anyone on the team getting NIL money?  And if so, what are the details?
I've heard Skylar doing some radio ads for Briggs or some other car dealership

pretty sure he has some sort of partnership w jack stack bbq too, based off his IG

I believe there was something in the season where he signed a deal and part of it was a big meal for his OL. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2022, 12:59:43 PM
So basically NIL is not a part of recruiting for KSU FB or BB players.  :'bye cruel world:
I've been assured paying players won't really help or hurt.

First of all, technically, NIL is not a part of recruiting FB or BB players for anyone. Coaches cannot make promises about NIL when recruiting, frankly it would be dumb to do so anyway.

As far it not helping or hurting, you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that NIL has had any tangible effect on recruiting after the first NIL recruiting class.
The top 10 schools are almost exactly the same from 2021 to 2022. The most notable exception is Miami, which very much proves my point. Before NIL, Miami had the #10 recruiting class. They got the most noteworthy NIL deal, some people lost their crap about how it's going to change everything. What it changed was they went from the 10th best class pre NIL to the 48th best class after their stupid NIL deal.

BYU had the other NIL deal that got everyone all :ohno: that deal got them the 60th ranked class, two places behind Arkansas State and ten places behind known big spenders, Marshall.

Quinn Ewers got $1,000,000 from someone to go to Ohio State, he left after 4 damn months for a school that didn't publicly promise him a dime.

Caleb Williams was offered $1,000,000 from a former NFL QB to transfer to Eastern Michigan, it didn't even merit a response from him.

NIL will not be able to fix college football inequities, nor will it change the value system of the student athletes inside of it. I'd presume that none of you are for sale to the highest bidder, nor would you prostitute your child in the recruitment process to whomever flashed the most cash at them.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on January 20, 2022, 03:12:46 PM
So basically NIL is not a part of recruiting for KSU FB or BB players.  :'bye cruel world:
I've been assured paying players won't really help or hurt.

First of all, technically, NIL is not a part of recruiting FB or BB players for anyone. Coaches cannot make promises about NIL when recruiting, frankly it would be dumb to do so anyway.

As far it not helping or hurting, you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that NIL has had any tangible effect on recruiting after the first NIL recruiting class.
The top 10 schools are almost exactly the same from 2021 to 2022. The most notable exception is Miami, which very much proves my point. Before NIL, Miami had the #10 recruiting class. They got the most noteworthy NIL deal, some people lost their crap about how it's going to change everything. What it changed was they went from the 10th best class pre NIL to the 48th best class after their stupid NIL deal.

BYU had the other NIL deal that got everyone all :ohno: that deal got them the 60th ranked class, two places behind Arkansas State and ten places behind known big spenders, Marshall.

Quinn Ewers got $1,000,000 from someone to go to Ohio State, he left after 4 damn months for a school that didn't publicly promise him a dime.

Caleb Williams was offered $1,000,000 from a former NFL QB to transfer to Eastern Michigan, it didn't even merit a response from him.

NIL will not be able to fix college football inequities, nor will it change the value system of the student athletes inside of it. I'd presume that none of you are for sale to the highest bidder, nor would you prostitute your child in the recruitment process to whomever flashed the most cash at them.

I tend to agree with you that the NIL freakout is overblown, but to suggest that this type of thing hasn't been a thing in the past... come on.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ben ji on January 20, 2022, 03:26:43 PM
So basically NIL is not a part of recruiting for KSU FB or BB players.  :'bye cruel world:
I've been assured paying players won't really help or hurt.

First of all, technically, NIL is not a part of recruiting FB or BB players for anyone. Coaches cannot make promises about NIL when recruiting, frankly it would be dumb to do so anyway.

As far it not helping or hurting, you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that NIL has had any tangible effect on recruiting after the first NIL recruiting class.
The top 10 schools are almost exactly the same from 2021 to 2022. The most notable exception is Miami, which very much proves my point. Before NIL, Miami had the #10 recruiting class. They got the most noteworthy NIL deal, some people lost their crap about how it's going to change everything. What it changed was they went from the 10th best class pre NIL to the 48th best class after their stupid NIL deal.

BYU had the other NIL deal that got everyone all :ohno: that deal got them the 60th ranked class, two places behind Arkansas State and ten places behind known big spenders, Marshall.

Quinn Ewers got $1,000,000 from someone to go to Ohio State, he left after 4 damn months for a school that didn't publicly promise him a dime.

Caleb Williams was offered $1,000,000 from a former NFL QB to transfer to Eastern Michigan, it didn't even merit a response from him.

NIL will not be able to fix college football inequities, nor will it change the value system of the student athletes inside of it. I'd presume that none of you are for sale to the highest bidder, nor would you prostitute your child in the recruitment process to whomever flashed the most cash at them.
I am definitely for sale to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 20, 2022, 03:48:31 PM
The highest bidder has a big effect on where I work
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2022, 04:12:19 PM
So basically NIL is not a part of recruiting for KSU FB or BB players.  :'bye cruel world:
I've been assured paying players won't really help or hurt.

First of all, technically, NIL is not a part of recruiting FB or BB players for anyone. Coaches cannot make promises about NIL when recruiting, frankly it would be dumb to do so anyway.

As far it not helping or hurting, you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that NIL has had any tangible effect on recruiting after the first NIL recruiting class.
The top 10 schools are almost exactly the same from 2021 to 2022. The most notable exception is Miami, which very much proves my point. Before NIL, Miami had the #10 recruiting class. They got the most noteworthy NIL deal, some people lost their crap about how it's going to change everything. What it changed was they went from the 10th best class pre NIL to the 48th best class after their stupid NIL deal.

BYU had the other NIL deal that got everyone all :ohno: that deal got them the 60th ranked class, two places behind Arkansas State and ten places behind known big spenders, Marshall.

Quinn Ewers got $1,000,000 from someone to go to Ohio State, he left after 4 damn months for a school that didn't publicly promise him a dime.

Caleb Williams was offered $1,000,000 from a former NFL QB to transfer to Eastern Michigan, it didn't even merit a response from him.

NIL will not be able to fix college football inequities, nor will it change the value system of the student athletes inside of it. I'd presume that none of you are for sale to the highest bidder, nor would you prostitute your child in the recruitment process to whomever flashed the most cash at them.

I tend to agree with you that the NIL freakout is overblown, but to suggest that this type of thing hasn't been a thing in the past... come on.

I'm not suggesting that hasn't and won't continue to happen, I'm suggesting that it happens so infrequently in the scope of the thousands of college football players that play every year, it shouldn't be discussed as if it makes any difference in who the powers of the sport are.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on January 20, 2022, 08:45:20 PM
Money is what got Cam to play for Auburn and they in turn won an NC.  Neon Deon got the number two ranked QB for Jackson State, because of money.  It will make more of a difference as time rolls on.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on January 21, 2022, 06:45:38 AM
Money is what got Cam to play for Auburn and they in turn won an NC.  Neon Deon got the number two ranked QB for Jackson State, because of money.  It will make more of a difference as time rolls on.
Don't be silly. Money doesn't influence people, let alone recruits on the fence between a couple schools.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on January 21, 2022, 11:15:47 AM
The Mustang is uncomfortable with NIL money. So, there you have it.
Title: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on January 21, 2022, 11:18:08 AM
Also, it’s apparently debatable whether these next things are related or not, but I am uncomfortable if we suck at either football or basketball.  Like, super uncomfortable with those things.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on January 21, 2022, 11:21:27 AM
…again, I apologize if this is a different topic and should be in a different thread, but I would like to say that I am NOT uncomfortable with breaking any and all NCAA rules. I give zero fucks about NCAA rules and would not be upset if an administrator or coach broke them whilst improving our football and basketball teams.  Obviously, I would be less comfortable with breaking rules if we did not improve our teams.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on January 21, 2022, 11:33:02 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: mocat on January 21, 2022, 12:35:04 PM
https://twitter.com/MattRHinton/status/1483498980000641026


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But I wasn’t into A&M. First, I didn’t like their uniforms. That was a big factor for me as an 18-year-old who wanted to look cool. Second, the student body was about two-thirds male. When I visited, it seemed like there were no girls, just a bunch of dudes from the school’s Corps of Cadets in military uniforms. They didn’t even have cheerleaders; they had male “yell leaders.” It just wasn’t what I was envisioning for my college experience.

IFUCKINGKNOWRITE!
Anybody that willingly chooses to go to a&m is a certified weirdo
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on January 22, 2022, 01:30:07 AM
https://twitter.com/MattRHinton/status/1483498980000641026


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But I wasn’t into A&M. First, I didn’t like their uniforms. That was a big factor for me as an 18-year-old who wanted to look cool. Second, the student body was about two-thirds male. When I visited, it seemed like there were no girls, just a bunch of dudes from the school’s Corps of Cadets in military uniforms. They didn’t even have cheerleaders; they had male “yell leaders.” It just wasn’t what I was envisioning for my college experience.

IFUCKINGKNOWRITE!
Anybody that willingly chooses to go to a&m is a certified weirdo

With doughboy Jimbo running the show you know there's money involved.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on January 27, 2022, 01:47:51 PM
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The name, image, and likeness industry is still in its infancy, but after six months, early winners are emerging — and Ohio State athletes top the list.

Since July 1, 220 Ohio State athletes have procured a total of $2.98 million in NIL earnings with 608 reported activities, the school announced. All three stats rank first among departments using Opendorse’s platforms.

Now, the school is implementing a program that creates a new athletic department role that could help maintain its standing.

Ohio State’s NIL Edge Team will “assist in connecting and coordinating NIL activities,” senior associate athletic director Carey Hoyt said. The school will also assign operations directors for “virtually” all of the school’s 36 sports to connect athletes with brands.

If schools can help with NIL, they’ll have a better chance of satisfying current athletes as well as attracting potential recruits.

The NCAA prohibits explicit pay-for-play — or promising a deal based on what school an athlete attends.

Beyond that, the only restrictions are set by schools and state laws. The Buckeyes realized that Ohio’s executive order leaves them free to get creative.

The Buckeyes aren’t the only entity loosening restrictions. Alabama’s state legislature already voted to repeal its state law, giving both schools and athletes in the state more freedom.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on January 27, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
I'm sure we also have an NIL Edge Team.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on January 31, 2022, 03:38:26 PM
https://twitter.com/anwarrichardson/status/1488228903227437057?s=21
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on January 31, 2022, 03:58:12 PM
I’ve always been a viaka man.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
wild turkey/matthew mcconaughey are not going to be pleased with this news

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Winters on January 31, 2022, 05:13:38 PM
I’ve always been a viaka man.
:sdeek:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: nicname on January 31, 2022, 05:43:29 PM
I’ve always been a viaka man.

There was a period in my life when I’d simply carry a 1.75 of Viaka or Barton’s and just pull straight from the bottle. I’m not proud of this.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: KITNfury on January 31, 2022, 05:56:39 PM
If you want excellent bang for buck vodka, you get Sobieski. Just a friendly PSA.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: TaqMan on February 01, 2022, 11:23:41 AM
Deep Eddy >>> Tito's

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 01, 2022, 11:26:32 AM
I’ve always been a viaka man.

There was a period in my life when I’d simply carry a 1.75 of Viaka or Barton’s and just pull straight from the bottle. I’m not proud of this.
In high school I drank it out of a straw once. I can only think of two other times I puked more.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2022, 04:03:17 PM
https://twitter.com/calebcsw/status/1489771262628954114?s=21
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2022, 04:20:37 PM
USC maybe getting elite again is exciting and I’m here for it
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on February 05, 2022, 05:27:08 PM
who the hell owns the corn our graduates design and where’s their NIL money
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on February 07, 2022, 07:47:01 AM
NIL is an exciting new time in college sports. The money being thrown around is amazing. 

It will be interesting to see how long it takes KSU to come around. I suspect it will take KSU longer than KU. KU does have the advantage of only needing to find a handful of sweet NIL deals for basketball each year.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on March 14, 2022, 09:10:58 AM
Good article in The Athletic on NIL deal for a high school kids.  Relevant quotes for those too cheap to sign up.

https://theathletic.com/3178558/2022/03/11/five-star-recruit-in-class-of-2023-signs-agreement-with-collective-that-could-pay-him-more-than-8-million/?article_source=search&search_query=nil

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On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletic has learned. He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities “on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.”

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Blake Lawrence, the founder of the NIL marketing platform Opendorse, said a deal that high seems like an outlier but added, “Whatever casual sports fans or coaches think student-athletes are earning from collectives, they’re (undershooting) by 10X. While $2 million (a year) is wild, $200,000 isn’t, but most people are thinking they’re getting $20,000.”

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Lawyer Mike Caspino, who drafted the contract, allowed The Athletic to review and verify the contract in exchange for keeping the player and collectives’ identities anonymous. It provides a window into how donor-driven third parties tied to specific schools operate.

As per NCAA rules, the contract explicitly states, “nothing in this Agreement constitutes any form of inducement for (the athlete) to enroll at any school and/or join any athletic team.” There is no mention of any specific university, only that he be “enrolled at an NCAA member institution and a member of the football team at such institution,” ostensibly to avoid violating the NCAA’s pay-for-play rule. The only specific circumstances by which the collective could terminate the contract early is if the player violates a confidentiality clause or a clause about conducting himself with “the utmost character and integrity.”

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Caspino, who says he has worked on deals like this with about 30 high school players, said the original terms were far more one-sided toward the collective. He decried some of the tactics those groups and NIL agents are using to maintain control over the athlete.

In one draft version of another deal The Athletic reviewed, the collective agreed to pay an athlete $1.5 million across two years but could “from time to time” ask for repayment of that money, plus a 10 percent commission and expenses — even if the agreement were to be terminated.

His concern is that most high school players are signing deals like these without running them by an attorney first.

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Last month, the NCAA Board of Directors asked the Division I Council to prepare a report by April assessing the impact NIL is having in recruiting, among other issues.

“We are concerned that some activity in the name, image and likeness space may not only be violating NCAA recruiting rules, particularly those prohibiting booster involvement, but also may be impacting the student-athlete experience negatively in some ways,” said board chair Jere Morehead, the president at the University of Georgia.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 14, 2022, 03:18:07 PM
Two things.
1. Blake Lawrence is absolutely, 100% lying about the prevalence of these large deals. He has all the motivation to make people believe that a lot of athletes are receiving 7 figure deals, and only someone working for a collective will push that narrative. It definitely happens, at this point, it's still rare.

2. Your second quote from Caspino has been my biggest concern with these deals and I mentioned it in particular with the Texas non for profit scheme. If I'm a parent I'm not having my kid sign any deal that doesn't have an explicit quid pro quo attached. "I give you $1,000,000 you shoot 5 commercials and allow me to use your image for 3 years in all print advertisement." Any deal that says we'll give you this but you have to do some undefined duty later, is poisonous. The new era for compliance departments is protecting the student athletes from shitty deals. K-State, at this point, looks like they're trying to get ahead of this.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on April 01, 2022, 02:02:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Lockettagency21/status/1509944455750721549?s=20&t=sUiz7Ij3nEkUy6EbVBj9ow
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2022, 04:00:41 PM
Going to need to see a little more detail on that before I get too excited
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2022, 04:46:23 PM
I'll always be in favor of cats helping cats
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 02, 2022, 01:02:24 AM
Could be a booster violation with Sexton. :surprised:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 02, 2022, 10:20:25 AM
That graphic tells me we are looking to relocate the state Capitol to the agronomy lot and I admire the zeal
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on April 02, 2022, 11:53:26 AM
That graphic tells me we are looking to relocate the state Capitol to the agronomy lot and I admire the zeal

We all know Manhattan has been the unofficial capital of Kansas forever, time to make it official!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ben ji on April 06, 2022, 08:04:38 PM
Two things.
1. Blake Lawrence is absolutely, 100% lying about the prevalence of these large deals. He has all the motivation to make people believe that a lot of athletes are receiving 7 figure deals, and only someone working for a collective will push that narrative. It definitely happens, at this point, it's still rare.

2. Your second quote from Caspino has been my biggest concern with these deals and I mentioned it in particular with the Texas non for profit scheme. If I'm a parent I'm not having my kid sign any deal that doesn't have an explicit quid pro quo attached. "I give you $1,000,000 you shoot 5 commercials and allow me to use your image for 3 years in all print advertisement." Any deal that says we'll give you this but you have to do some undefined duty later, is poisonous. The new era for compliance departments is protecting the student athletes from shitty deals. K-State, at this point, looks like they're trying to get ahead of this.

Fun Fact. Blake Lawrence was 2 years younger then me in HS. He's pretty smart and has been all over the sports/social media since before it was a thing (He started his company in 2013 to automate the sending of endorsement tweets for athletes). He is probably one of the most credible people when it comes to understanding how NIL will work.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ben ji on April 06, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
Fun Story

Blake subbed in as QB at a 7v7 tournament when the regular starter was hurt. He was a couple of years younger so when the captain started giggling and changed the play from XYZ to "Hook & Ladder Left, hit ben ji on the curl then he'll pitch it to me" he had no choice but to go along.

The play failed horribly of course and he ended up getting chewed out by the coach for not running the play that was called.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 06, 2022, 10:36:33 PM
I don't doubt his knowledge of NIL at all, in fact I use opendorse quite a bit when talking about NIL, I sites it on the football board just yesterday. What I find dubious or misleading is that NIL deals are north of $2 million. Sure there are some, like a very small few of them but the overwhelming majority of NIL deals aren't anywhere close to that, source, Blake's own website.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: _33 on April 07, 2022, 11:25:08 AM
I think you misread the quote.  He said $2 million deals are rare, but $200,000 deals aren't.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2022, 01:36:58 PM
I think you misread the quote.  He said $2 million deals are rare, but $200,000 deals aren't.

Yeah, 100% my fault, I shouldn't have said he's lying. This is a mix of me misreading the quote, adding intent that he may have not meant, and me not being articulate enough.

I do think that $200,000 is wild, not in the sense that they don't exist, they clearly do, but most NIL deals aren't anything close to $200,000, although there are plenty that are. My response is due more to what I think NIL alarmists can do with that quote and less about what he actually said.

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on April 13, 2022, 05:30:31 PM
https://twitter.com/JSisco16/status/1514359929075023878?s=20&t=Jo-sDm8pA1S3grrTIh0vyw
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2022, 05:39:32 PM
Two different collectives now, nice! For this one from Sisco to not be affiliated with the university, they are sure using quite a bit of trademarked imagery. I'll take it!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 13, 2022, 09:48:38 PM
hopefully, the NCAA drops the booster rule.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 14, 2022, 12:51:09 PM
hopefully, the NCAA drops the booster rule.

What are you talking about, katpappy? You keep bringing this up. You know that alumni can sign players to NIL deals, right?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 15, 2022, 06:42:16 AM
I just read the other day that the NCAA still has the rule about alumni not being allowed to recruit athletes for their school.  How they will enforce it is a question that needs to be answered.

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ChiComCat on April 15, 2022, 08:14:22 AM
I just read the other day that the NCAA still has the rule about alumni not being allowed to recruit athletes for their school.  How they will enforce it is a question that needs to be answered.



The NCAA?  Rarely and selectively, I'm sure
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2022, 10:03:59 AM
I just read the other day that the NCAA still has the rule about alumni not being allowed to recruit athletes for their school.  How they will enforce it is a question that needs to be answered.

As it relates to NIL, they won't be able to, in a lot of cases. It's important to note that NIL, is also illegal to use as a recruiting tool. So what this means is that a school can't be explicit with "if you sign here we will give you a $100,000 deal with Briggs Auto," a quid pro quo. The problem for the NCAA is that 28 states have already passed NIL legislation, many of those NIL laws allow the schools to go much further than their rules do. By the way, the only states with P5 schools without NIL legislation are Washington, Utah, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, West Virginia, New York, and Virginia, so they really can't enforce something that's allowed at some member schools but not at others. I mean they could but they'd get sued and would definitely lose.

The issue the NCAA has is that they definitely need to address the issue of alumni participating in recruiting, because if there aren't guardrails, schools and alumni will definitely go too far. The problem for them is that these state laws have made it difficult for this to ever happen.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 15, 2022, 05:57:04 PM
I agree and it would be nice if the NCAA got away from enforcing outdated rules and admit they don't have much control with the government involved.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BW on April 16, 2022, 01:48:56 PM
Interesting.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220416/fea3d2862973235927b405d78ebae4c7.jpg)

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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 17, 2022, 02:07:42 AM
https://twitter.com/WIBWMitchel/status/1515457778516733952
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Cire on April 17, 2022, 09:33:28 PM
Seems kind those are the wrong guys to get all that cash


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on April 19, 2022, 07:40:32 AM
All this NIL window dressing by KSU is horse crap until we see recruits coveted by other Power 5 programs showing up on campus. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: XocolateThundarr on April 19, 2022, 08:13:09 AM
(https://y.yarn.co/65c466ef-dbd4-41d0-addf-2dfb121c53da_text.gif)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 19, 2022, 10:10:00 PM
Seems kind those are the wrong guys to get all that cash


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Supporting walkons is the wrong intent for NIL.  This money should be locked on 5 stars or high-level types.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 19, 2022, 10:36:29 PM
I think paying walk on tuitions is the right place to start. There will be plenty to go around.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wetwillie on April 19, 2022, 11:04:06 PM
Paying walk ons will be how the big programs skirt scholarship limits.  Maybe we will too and get kids who would normally balk at a walk on role to stick around instead of going FCS.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on April 20, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
Perfect.

https://twitter.com/BrentleyGC/status/1516418035761958926
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on April 20, 2022, 11:01:46 AM
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-furness-show-25723929/episode/jed-collins-explains-the-nil-and-the-transfer-portal---how-they-work-for-the-athletes-and-how-colleges-are-adapting-95795220

Lol at this guy attempting to articulate how WSU’s purchase of a QB was ok but everything else is troubling.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: tdaver on April 20, 2022, 04:30:59 PM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/20/k-state-athletics-announces-academic-incentive-award-program.aspx
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2022, 08:09:18 AM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/20/k-state-athletics-announces-academic-incentive-award-program.aspx

About rough ridin' time. Had to get Myers outta rough ridin' here and to get bullied by ESPN to do some crap we should have been doing years ago.

The NCAA started allowing this 2 years ago and the Supreme Court ruling was last year. We got exposed, that's why this is being announced now. We didn't announce details of what we're doing, hopefully won't be the bullshit that flood aggie is doing.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on April 21, 2022, 12:35:32 PM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/20/k-state-athletics-announces-academic-incentive-award-program.aspx

About rough ridin' time. Had to get Myers outta rough ridin' here and to get bullied by ESPN to do some crap we should have been doing years ago.

The NCAA started allowing this 2 years ago and the Supreme Court ruling was last year. We got exposed, that's why this is being announced now. We didn't announce details of what we're doing, hopefully won't be the bullshit that flood aggie is doing.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year

These details or are you looking for something more?

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Scholarship student-athletes who earn all individual APR points will be awarded 25 percent of the permissible award amount based on his/her individual scholarship equivalency on a semester-by-semester basis. The remainder of the permissible award will be held for the student-athlete as an incentive to graduate with their first baccalaureate degree within six (6) years of initial full-time enrollment.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ChiComCat on April 21, 2022, 12:51:02 PM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/20/k-state-athletics-announces-academic-incentive-award-program.aspx

About rough ridin' time. Had to get Myers outta rough ridin' here and to get bullied by ESPN to do some crap we should have been doing years ago.

The NCAA started allowing this 2 years ago and the Supreme Court ruling was last year. We got exposed, that's why this is being announced now. We didn't announce details of what we're doing, hopefully won't be the bullshit that flood aggie is doing.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year


What's Flood Aggie doing?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2022, 01:16:55 PM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/20/k-state-athletics-announces-academic-incentive-award-program.aspx

About rough ridin' time. Had to get Myers outta rough ridin' here and to get bullied by ESPN to do some crap we should have been doing years ago.

The NCAA started allowing this 2 years ago and the Supreme Court ruling was last year. We got exposed, that's why this is being announced now. We didn't announce details of what we're doing, hopefully won't be the bullshit that flood aggie is doing.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year


What's Flood Aggie doing?

Pretty similar to what Houstoncat posted, but instead of holding 75% for graduation, like we are, they hold the entire thing. I hate it, I hate holding any of it.

The incentive is the money, there shouldn't be any additional incentive to graduate, and frankly it won't be an incentive, it's just a way to be cheap assholes. If an athlete is an academic all-American for two years, then as a junior in their given sport, they get the opportunity to compete as a professional who really thinks the $13,000 that the AD is holding us going to be an incentive for anything? If anything it provides other schools to use that as a negative talking point in recruiting. We were just in a recruiting battle with Stanford, and lost, for Mudia Reuben. Do we really want schools like Stanford to tell recruits that we want to pressure good students to stay in school other than pursuing professional opportunities when the time comes?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Houstoncat93 on April 21, 2022, 02:25:14 PM
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/20/k-state-athletics-announces-academic-incentive-award-program.aspx

About rough ridin' time. Had to get Myers outta rough ridin' here and to get bullied by ESPN to do some crap we should have been doing years ago.

The NCAA started allowing this 2 years ago and the Supreme Court ruling was last year. We got exposed, that's why this is being announced now. We didn't announce details of what we're doing, hopefully won't be the bullshit that flood aggie is doing.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year


What's Flood Aggie doing?

They are holding all the bonus money until a student graduates.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 28, 2022, 04:30:17 PM
The Athletic has a good article on A&M and how NIL is working.  There's a summary quote about NIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 
According to some of the athletic department’s fundraisers, the money didn’t really start rolling in for the capital campaign until it became apparent that Texas A&M was putting together the No. 1 recruiting class for the class of 2022. That’s what the group finds hilarious. The outside world thought NIL money alone bought Texas A&M a recruiting class. In reality, that class probably bought the Aggies a new indoor facility.

“If people were mad about Texas A&M and NIL before, wait until they hear about $88 million raised,” Bjork told the donors. “Wait until they hear about $235 million in facilities.”
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on April 28, 2022, 04:34:38 PM
Here is the link if you're interested.                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                 https://theathletic.com/3273847/2022/04/27/texas-am-aggies-collective-donors-centennial-campaign-fundraising-kyle-field/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: bucket on May 02, 2022, 09:48:49 PM
https://247sports.com/college/south-carolina/Article/College-football-Texas-Longhorns-fend-off-NIL-suitor-for-Xavier-Worthy-Jahdae-Barron-update--187102369/

This crap makes me nervous.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on May 05, 2022, 01:42:44 AM
This is what I have been saying for the last 20 years.  This is a great article by Ubben.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
https://theathletic.com/3289588/2022/05/02/college-football-nil-transfer-portal/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on May 09, 2022, 08:54:41 PM
NIL and that playyaar money are here to stay and it's getting bigger with time.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                    https://theathletic.com/3281954/2022/04/29/mandel-does-pay-for-play-make-you-uncomfortable-because-its-wrong-or-because-its-different/?source=freeweeklyemail&campaign=602288
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on May 12, 2022, 10:50:14 AM
Daily Delivery: It sure didn't take long for the new NIL freedoms to spin out of control
by Tim Fitzgerald
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on May 13, 2022, 06:43:08 AM
Questions Podcast: Can college sports be saved from the NIL?
by Tim Fitzgerald
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on May 29, 2022, 09:13:30 AM
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1528067311608901632?s=20&t=dk-CiTJhc7h3MFrP3ibv1A

As I have been saying, NIL collectives are boosters giving money that is no, no with the NCAA.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on June 24, 2022, 02:44:49 PM
Pony Up, Bitches! We should set a goal of $1.0MM per Player. This is essentially, the team themselves creating a collective for every player. Fans can buy an all-access pass and there will be engagement opportunities with the team and proceeds go to the team and divided evenly amongst each player.
[tweet]1540411106610614273[/tweet]?s=20&t=Omvy7tuYDA7miVC5vCmlPw

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on June 27, 2022, 10:46:24 PM

Interesting name, image, likeness discussion at 15:00 minute mark. Scott Wildcat seems to think Ayoki Lee is approaching the seven-figure mark in NIL money. Deuce and Skyler are/were high six figures. I don’t know how plugged-in Scott is but interesting to say the least
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 28, 2022, 09:16:03 AM

Interesting name, image, likeness discussion at 15:00 minute mark. Scott Wildcat seems to think Ayoki Lee is approaching the seven-figure mark in NIL money. Deuce and Skyler are/were high six figures. I don’t know how plugged-in Scott is but interesting to say the least
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182)

He has some sources within the AD. That figure for Ayoka seems high to me. She has several national NIL deals, but my understanding of these deals are that they are 5 figure deals, not 6. I wouldn't be surprised if she is approaching half a mil, but not a million.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on June 28, 2022, 09:46:02 AM



Interesting name, image, likeness discussion at 15:00 minute mark. Scott Wildcat seems to think Ayoki Lee is approaching the seven-figure mark in NIL money. Deuce and Skyler are/were high six figures. I don’t know how plugged-in Scott is but interesting to say the least
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182


He has some sources within the AD. That figure for Ayoka seems high to me. She has several national NIL deals, but my understanding of these deals are that they are 5 figure deals, not 6. I wouldn't be surprised if she is approaching half a mil, but not a million.
He mentioned Dick’s, Bose, and Turbo Tax as national deals that in combination with local money put her close if not eventually at seven figures. Maybe he was counting cents in the 7
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on June 28, 2022, 02:15:23 PM
https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/1541834321434218496?s=20&t=rhlm-SbyIcEKZnjEwsJ7aQ
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 28, 2022, 03:42:38 PM



Interesting name, image, likeness discussion at 15:00 minute mark. Scott Wildcat seems to think Ayoki Lee is approaching the seven-figure mark in NIL money. Deuce and Skyler are/were high six figures. I don’t know how plugged-in Scott is but interesting to say the least
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182


He has some sources within the AD. That figure for Ayoka seems high to me. She has several national NIL deals, but my understanding of these deals are that they are 5 figure deals, not 6. I wouldn't be surprised if she is approaching half a mil, but not a million.
He mentioned Dick’s, Bose, and Turbo Tax as national deals that in combination with local money put her close if not eventually at seven figures. Maybe he was counting cents in the 7

Yeah, I hadn't heard about Dick's. Turbo Tax was actually H&R Block. She's also a pitch woman for Wing Stop.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 01, 2022, 08:27:10 PM
https://twitter.com/kstatesports/status/1542896459049304064
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Kat Kid on July 02, 2022, 06:43:54 AM



Interesting name, image, likeness discussion at 15:00 minute mark. Scott Wildcat seems to think Ayoki Lee is approaching the seven-figure mark in NIL money. Deuce and Skyler are/were high six figures. I don’t know how plugged-in Scott is but interesting to say the least
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boscoes-boys/id1361339892?i=1000567816182


He has some sources within the AD. That figure for Ayoka seems high to me. She has several national NIL deals, but my understanding of these deals are that they are 5 figure deals, not 6. I wouldn't be surprised if she is approaching half a mil, but not a million.
He mentioned Dick’s, Bose, and Turbo Tax as national deals that in combination with local money put her close if not eventually at seven figures. Maybe he was counting cents in the 7

Yeah, I hadn't heard about Dick's. Turbo Tax was actually H&R Block. She's also a pitch woman for Wing Stop.
I hear her on local radio talking about the mall.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on July 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Just heard from 365 Sports podcast that TTU has a collective that is paying 100 FB players $25,000. this season, starting in August with monthly payments.  That may be why they have a highly rated recruiting class.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on July 18, 2022, 07:11:36 PM
I'm surprised no one ITT is talking about this.  Last spring it was surprising that Tech had a top-five recruiting class.  Now we know why; it's NIL baby!  I hope our guys get something like this fall.  Not sure how NIL will go for our team.  The reason I think TTU has a great way of handling NIL, is they are paying their players monthly.  That way if someone wants to transfer, the NIL money stops for that player.  This should help curb the transfer port. Also, $25,000 per 85 scholarships and 15 walk=ons amounts to 2.5 million.  So, nothing to make light of.  When they were talking about the amount of money spent on NIL, they also mentioned that up to $300 million is spent on stadium and college compass improvements.  They are serious about being the top dog in the Big XII.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2022, 09:40:14 PM
It's meh. Their average player rating is similar to ours and like 4 other teams in the new big 12. It's a fine perk but difference making players aren't going to make their decision off of that.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on July 19, 2022, 12:17:11 AM
Just googled this:
Before head coach Joey McGuire's arrival in October, Texas Tech had zero commits in its 2023 recruiting class. Now, the Red Raiders have 22, the most of any Power 5 Conference team. Tech's 2023 class is ranked eighth in the nation by 247Sports and second in the Big 12 Conference, behind only Texas.

Doesn't seem average to me.
                               
                             
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 19, 2022, 12:43:58 AM
Well, that's dated bud.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on July 19, 2022, 08:24:57 AM
Not exactly sure how they total the points, but I know quantity matters.  Tech only has 2 4-stars...so it's not like they are loaded with 4's and 5's.  They have 23 total commits. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 19, 2022, 09:55:18 AM
I haven't seen that tech is doing this beyond this year.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on July 29, 2022, 01:24:30 PM
https://twitter.com/deals_nil/status/1553006330264408065?s=20&t=VXp5O6HEFwNjUnPsYwEOVg
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on July 29, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Fat Stacks!!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/deals_nil/status/1553007949819387904?s=20&t=C41bPo34mYONA0rsluojjQ
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on July 29, 2022, 05:47:00 PM
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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BBF$$Kat on July 29, 2022, 09:39:56 PM
Are these NIL deals this group us working only going for a certain sect of the team?  :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 29, 2022, 10:18:05 PM
Are these NIL deals this group us working only going for a certain sect of the team?  :bwpopcorn:

Basepath isn't a NIL deal the way you're thinking about and I don't know why on3 are presenting it that way. It's a software company that helps student athletes manage NIL deals.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BBF$$Kat on July 29, 2022, 10:44:49 PM
Are these NIL deals this group us working only going for a certain sect of the team?  :bwpopcorn:

Basepath isn't a NIL deal the way you're thinking about and I don't know why on3 are presenting it that way. It's a software company that helps student athletes manage NIL deals.
So why the quote or connection to our NIL group for facilitating it?
Also it just seems odd those that it is targeting? Maybe that is what your reference was too in not what I think it is.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 29, 2022, 11:10:54 PM
Are these NIL deals this group us working only going for a certain sect of the team?  :bwpopcorn:

Basepath isn't a NIL deal the way you're thinking about and I don't know why on3 are presenting it that way. It's a software company that helps student athletes manage NIL deals.
So why the quote or connection to our NIL group for facilitating it?
Also it just seems odd those that it is targeting? Maybe that is what your reference was too in not what I think it is.

That's why I said I don't know why on3 presented it that way, but if you go to the Basepath website, it's pretty obvious. Maybe they are signing athletes to use their service for free in hopes that others will pay for it later on. I'm guessing they'll get paid by taking a small percentage of the NIL deals that athletes use their service for.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BBF$$Kat on July 29, 2022, 11:20:31 PM
Are these NIL deals this group us working only going for a certain sect of the team?  :bwpopcorn:

Basepath isn't a NIL deal the way you're thinking about and I don't know why on3 are presenting it that way. It's a software company that helps student athletes manage NIL deals.
So why the quote or connection to our NIL group for facilitating it?
Also it just seems odd those that it is targeting? Maybe that is what your reference was too in not what I think it is.

That's why I said I don't know why on3 presented it that way, but if you go to the Basepath website, it's pretty obvious. Maybe they are signing athletes to use their service for free in hopes that others will pay for it later on. I'm guessing they'll get paid by taking a small percentage of the NIL deals that athletes use their service for.

I gotcha.

Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on July 31, 2022, 12:28:00 PM
https://twitter.com/wibwKatie/status/1553740511055433728?s=20&t=-cUZXI4hlLQ78xxFRwyMLA
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2022, 12:50:42 PM
More philanthropists more wins (MPMW)?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2022, 09:54:05 PM
They said on the news tonight that SMU has a group of boosters that are going to make sure every football and basketball player has at a minimum a $36k NIL deal.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on August 09, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
I think paying the team equal amounts per season will be the norm.  Miami, TTU, and now SMU are doing it.  It's wild that a school that is in a low paying G5 conference can afford to pay their team.  This means most schools should be able to put up something equal to this.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: WildcatNation on August 10, 2022, 08:57:13 AM
I think paying the team equal amounts per season will be the norm.  Miami, TTU, and now SMU are doing it.  It's wild that a school that is in a low paying G5 conference can afford to pay their team.  This means most schools should be able to put up something equal to this.

The school isn't paying the team, that would be a blatant NCAA violation. It is a group of boosters and SMU boosters are extremely well off.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2022, 09:13:03 AM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
It's not an either/or proposition. Players being paid by a collective still very much can and do seek ways to be paid as individuals, whether that's being an endorser, working camps, signing autographs, agreeing to a book deal, giving private lessons, etc
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: WildcatNation on August 10, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.

Except it’s not. They just have to provide some type of service to the group. A school cannot do that.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2022, 12:36:27 PM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.

Except it’s not. They just have to provide some type of service to the group. A school cannot do that.

NCAA is in the process of enforcing the boosters to not interfere with NIL deals.  They just need to find out what enforcement options they have that will comply with schools leadership that runs the NCAA. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: WildcatNation on August 10, 2022, 06:15:46 PM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.

Except it’s not. They just have to provide some type of service to the group. A school cannot do that.

NCAA is in the process of enforcing the boosters to not interfere with NIL deals.  They just need to find out what enforcement options they have that will comply with schools leadership that runs the NCAA.

They’ll have an extremely tough time enforcing that. Any booster can just create a group and call it a “collective” where they can funnel money through for NIL. I don’t think the NCAA will ever really enforce any of it either for fear of more lawsuits.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.

Except it’s not. They just have to provide some type of service to the group. A school cannot do that.

NCAA is in the process of enforcing the boosters to not interfere with NIL deals.  They just need to find out what enforcement options they have that will comply with schools leadership that runs the NCAA.

They’ll have an extremely tough time enforcing that. Any booster can just create a group and call it a “collective” where they can funnel money through for NIL. I don’t think the NCAA will ever really enforce any of it either for fear of more lawsuits.

Thanks for that answer.  Now tell me what the NCAA can do to a school in a conference(big 10) that allows players to be paid, as in a stipend.  Right now KSU can pay up $5,000.00 to athletics that are in need.  I don't know what the limit is per school as determined by the NCAA.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2022, 07:00:15 PM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.

Except it’s not. They just have to provide some type of service to the group. A school cannot do that.

NCAA is in the process of enforcing the boosters to not interfere with NIL deals.  They just need to find out what enforcement options they have that will comply with schools leadership that runs the NCAA.

They’ll have an extremely tough time enforcing that. Any booster can just create a group and call it a “collective” where they can funnel money through for NIL. I don’t think the NCAA will ever really enforce any of it either for fear of more lawsuits.

Thanks for that answer.  Now tell me what the NCAA can do to a school in a conference(big 10) that allows players to be paid, as in a stipend.  Right now KSU can pay up $5,000.00 to athletics that are in need.  I don't know what the limit is per school as determined by the NCAA.

Schools can and do already do pay stipends. What you're referring to, what's being mentioned by some in Big 10 circles, is revenue sharing, which is a salary, not a stipend. For that to happen either the NCAA will have to eliminate amateurism for all sports or the Big 10 would have to leave the NCAA. I'm not certain that having another entity run college football only would satisfy what's needed. Of course the Supreme Court could abolish title IX and schools and conferences can do whatever the hell they want to.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2022, 07:42:04 PM
It is a blatant NCAA violation for boosters to be paying the players.  Anyway, the big 10 is talking about paying their athletes in the near future.  The point is players are being paid as a group instead of individually and may become the norm.

Except it’s not. They just have to provide some type of service to the group. A school cannot do that.

NCAA is in the process of enforcing the boosters to not interfere with NIL deals.  They just need to find out what enforcement options they have that will comply with schools leadership that runs the NCAA.

They’ll have an extremely tough time enforcing that. Any booster can just create a group and call it a “collective” where they can funnel money through for NIL. I don’t think the NCAA will ever really enforce any of it either for fear of more lawsuits.

Thanks for that answer.  Now tell me what the NCAA can do to a school in a conference(big 10) that allows players to be paid, as in a stipend.  Right now KSU can pay up $5,000.00 to athletics that are in need.  I don't know what the limit is per school as determined by the NCAA.

Schools can and do already do pay stipends. What you're referring to, what's being mentioned by some in Big 10 circles, is revenue sharing, which is a salary, not a stipend. For that to happen either the NCAA will have to eliminate amateurism for all sports or the Big 10 would have to leave the NCAA. I'm not certain that having another entity run college football only would satisfy what's needed. Of course the Supreme Court could abolish title IX and schools and conferences can do whatever the hell they want to.

Something needs to change, with the loss of control from the NCAA and schools doing as they please.  I do believe the big 10 will word it correctly to avoid their schools being classified as an employer.  It may just be an increased stipend, as I don't know if that is limited by the government.  I know one thing, if the big 10 does it then other conferences will follow.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wiley on August 15, 2022, 01:13:38 PM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1559227004607676421?s=20&t=qp-wFbQvfB_LfTf0PAfqcw


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: wiley on August 15, 2022, 01:15:40 PM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1559227004607676421?s=20&t=qp-wFbQvfB_LfTf0PAfqcw


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on August 16, 2022, 02:18:06 PM
https://twitter.com/WildcatNIL/status/1559609018531840001?s=20&t=izm-5jyBGZE1tx1OLQoQ4A
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on August 16, 2022, 02:53:44 PM
Hope deuce makes millions
https://twitter.com/sharp_spelite/status/1558266341001515009?s=20&t=QPPzUNipZMT9J6DB5IGdrA
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 16, 2022, 03:28:45 PM
Hope deuce makes millions
https://twitter.com/sharp_spelite/status/1558266341001515009?s=20&t=QPPzUNipZMT9J6DB5IGdrA

This is what nil is and not the dumb bidding wars for recruits that a lot of fans think it is
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2022, 02:36:26 PM
Again, another fantastic use of nil, I'd rather focus on stuff like this instead of rumored bidding wars
https://twitter.com/SOSHVACOmaha/status/1558160185927110656
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 19, 2022, 09:28:54 AM
Again, another fantastic use of nil, I'd rather focus on stuff like this instead of rumored bidding wars
https://twitter.com/SOSHVACOmaha/status/1558160185927110656

Is there anyone on the team named Dawamest for the winter months?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on August 24, 2022, 04:06:59 PM
https://twitter.com/GoPowercat/status/1562518497208373248?s=20&t=pZM0vDM7i19H_KMAsCuD3g
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: meow meow on August 24, 2022, 04:43:11 PM
how does gpc make money, that seems like a lot of $1 subscriptions.  advertising?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on August 24, 2022, 05:01:48 PM
This is just a guess. You get rid of all your expensive employees like D Scott and Wally and have college kids do all your work for you as unpaid interns?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on August 30, 2022, 03:08:20 PM
lol. Gilly getting a Culver’s deal?
https://twitter.com/DYoungRivals/status/1564698831232573442?s=20&t=8kq4nI2z1JxLPSOuxyfH8g
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2022, 03:46:37 PM
Is there Culver's in Kansas now?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2022, 03:47:24 PM
Huh I guess there's quite a few. Had no idea

also

https://twitter.com/HeavyOnSports/status/1559196842910486529
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: OB_Won on August 30, 2022, 03:56:53 PM
Is there Culver's in Kansas now?
TIL what Culver's is. Also, there are two within a 15-20 minute drive of me.  :driving:

On second thought, the pictures from their web menu give off BGCE (Big Golden Corral Energy)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on August 30, 2022, 04:13:02 PM
culvers did a road tour this summer and just a couple of weeks ago they rolled into the p&l a couple weeks ago with their food truck, even brought the old guy from the commercials

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220830/d74a7716117dc1cbb35ff27468ca68a0.jpg)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: OK_Cat on August 30, 2022, 04:13:19 PM
Huh I guess there's quite a few. Had no idea

also

https://twitter.com/HeavyOnSports/status/1559196842910486529
Thanks lukecat


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on September 01, 2022, 04:19:52 PM
Love these
https://twitter.com/WildcatNIL/status/1565444623132200965?s=20&t=eyb_owUh4ZOB6-PC8q-BnQ
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on September 16, 2022, 05:26:16 PM
:dubious:

https://kstatesuperstore.com/collections/customgameday
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 17, 2022, 03:43:31 AM
Yuck. Better than nothing, I guess.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on September 24, 2022, 06:46:23 AM
https://twitter.com/jasonkfair/status/1558955147551817728?s=20&t=q9vsQIvOpaaMAzOo7a4HYg
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2022, 09:15:14 AM
 :thumbs:
Look at those babies, they're all so little!
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: HugeCat on September 24, 2022, 09:46:37 AM
:thumbs:
Look at those babies, they're all so little!
It seems like a Wichita high area high school thing instead of a Kansas State NIL deal. Good for Kansas that they allow high school kids to profit off their name image and likeness also. Are we in the minority for states that allow this?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2022, 11:55:58 AM
:thumbs:
Look at those babies, they're all so little!
It seems like a Wichita high area high school thing instead of a Kansas State NIL deal. Good for Kansas that they allow high school kids to profit off their name image and likeness also. Are we in the minority for states that allow this?

No. I think the number is up to around 37
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on October 10, 2022, 11:11:24 PM
bronny signed with nike, details forthcoming.  nike announced signing him and four other athletes, none of whom happen to be track athletes
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: bucket on November 30, 2022, 09:46:33 PM
https://twitter.com/On3NIL/status/1598006617035124737
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2022, 10:35:01 PM
chick car
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on December 01, 2022, 01:23:53 AM
$90 grand loaded and easy to get chicks car.  ;)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 01, 2022, 09:01:27 AM
Hope he calls it his little deuce coup
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2022, 04:49:46 PM
Hope he calls it his little deuce coup

For this reason alone they should have gotten him a two door.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 01, 2022, 04:53:11 PM
yes really a missed opportunity. i'm confident they would let him trade it with not much ado
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
Hope he calls it his little deuce coup

For this reason alone they should have gotten him a two door.
Wow, the more you know
I never knew what that meant,
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Spracne on December 01, 2022, 06:20:28 PM
I always thought the song went "revved up like a douche"?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Skipper44 on December 01, 2022, 06:49:55 PM
Hope he calls it his little deuce coup

For this reason alone they should have gotten him a two door.
Wow, the more you know
I never knew what that meant,
there is a coupe version of the cayenne (but it still has 4 doors  :confused:)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Skipper44 on December 01, 2022, 06:55:25 PM
(https://ddc1.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/LDK%2BBPRvqyXvrViuMCc9/CDy2BvBgoiXPo024/Vm3qUw%3D%3D/BzyhB-dgoCXJsQq%2BMjY958xnp6spSB5L/header.jpg)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 01, 2022, 08:16:07 PM
Someone posted at On3 that Kstate had a substantial NIL war chest built up.   
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 01, 2022, 08:28:16 PM
Of course they do  :kstategrad:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: kim carnes on December 01, 2022, 08:55:33 PM
I’m here to tell you rednecks that they call suvs with sloping rear rooflines… coupes
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2022, 08:57:57 PM
I’m here to tell you rednecks that they call suvs with sloping rear rooflines… coupes
Yeah, Audi Q8 is a coupe


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 01, 2022, 09:00:38 PM
They look like egg cars to me
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2022, 09:00:53 PM
And do you back country yokals who marry your sisters and share chew with your dogs want to know how they pronounce it? Coop-A. The e has the little swoop deal over the top of it that Tapatalk doesn’t have available to me.


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Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Spracne on December 01, 2022, 09:07:43 PM
And do you back country yokals who marry your sisters and share chew with your dogs want to know how they pronounce it? Coop-A. The e has the little swoop deal over the top of it that Tapatalk doesn’t have available to me.


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An accent aigu comme ca? (´)
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 01, 2022, 10:26:52 PM
And do you back country yokals who marry your sisters and share chew with your dogs want to know how they pronounce it? Coop-A. The e has the little swoop deal over the top of it that Tapatalk doesn’t have available to me.


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That’s how super Mario pronounces it
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 05, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
https://twitter.com/coachdickert/status/1597754317272145920

https://twitter.com/WinterSportsLaw/status/1598687935808897025
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2022, 10:51:04 AM
That's pretty embarrassing. I hate that nil gives coaches and fans an out from accountability. Most of the players in the portal aren't getting much, if anything, from any nil collective.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2023, 02:52:48 PM
$200K a year for Nigel Pack was worth it.  It wasn't the school who paid it, though it would have been a very smart investment if they had. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/march-madness-2023-nijel-packs-lucrative-nil-deal-pays-dividends-sets-up-for-teams-to-copy-miamis-strategy/
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2023, 06:58:12 PM
In fact, we should have doubled it or tripled it.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2023, 11:35:48 PM
I like Nijel, a lot, but he's the third or fourth best player on that team. He was the beneficiary of some fantastic timing. Guys like him, getting a deal like that absolutely is not and will not be the norm. They almost lost their best player, Wong, over that deal, he left Miami. Wong found he couldn't get Pack money anywhere so he went back to Miami.

There are 15 players on the three AP all American teams, only four of them were transfers. Markquis, Keyontae, Tshiebwe, and Jalen Pickett from Penn State. None of those guys transferred because of nil deals.

I'm happy players get to make a little bit of money but most of these guys aren't getting rich, and nil hasn't yet proven to be an effective way to build a roster.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on March 27, 2023, 02:57:01 AM
At least they're not getting mumped and losing their future careers for getting a couple of hundred bucks chump change, while their coach gets millions.  Yea, that NIL just gets kids rich and coaches/NCAA can't eff over their careers like in the "good ole days".  SO SAD!!!  :flush:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on March 27, 2023, 09:53:39 AM
https://theathletic.com/4340398/2023/03/23/notre-dame-oped-ncaa-nil-laws/?source=weeklyemail&campaign=602288&access_token=10360287#:~:text=NCAAF-,Notre,-Dame%20leaders%E2%80%99%20op
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on May 10, 2023, 10:52:39 AM
:lol:

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/59-puck-27459121/episode/nil-agents-being-greedy-more-114782292/
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2023, 10:40:21 AM
https://twitter.com/spedbraet/status/1677356947773825042
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 29, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
https://x.com/wildcatnil/status/1696571640937673141
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: cfbandyman on August 29, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
I like the purple/white one, and the grey, but I bet they sell a shitton of the camo
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: nicname on August 29, 2023, 06:29:53 PM
That gray one is perfect
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Spracne on August 29, 2023, 06:50:33 PM
Too lazy/busy to find it, but I saw that your Center did a joint NIL commercial with Jared Casey for Applebee's. Guess they're from the same small town. Plainville?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2023, 10:17:34 PM
https://x.com/wildcatnil/status/1696571640937673141

Sir. Don't you work with computers or some crap?

https://twitter.com/wildcatnil/status/1696571640937673141
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 29, 2023, 11:03:44 PM
https://x.com/wildcatnil/status/1696571640937673141

Sir. Don't you work with computers or some crap?

https://twitter.com/wildcatnil/status/1696571640937673141
Works on my machine.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 04, 2023, 09:17:48 AM
Only posting this to lol at alabama’s nil name.

https://twitter.com/On3NIL/status/1731402884808429687
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2023, 11:49:52 AM
It's the name of their fight song
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 04, 2023, 01:42:22 PM
It's the name of their fight song

That is also hilarious.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: CNS on December 05, 2023, 10:13:00 AM
Quote
In a move that is both radical and inevitable, the NCAA is planning to propose a new Division I subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate their athletes.

The proposal appears to avoid categorizing athletes as employees of their school, instead allowing each school to opt in to a new subdivision in which athletes could license their Name, Image and Likeness rights directly to their schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12)

Quote
Schools would be required to "invest" at least $30,000 per year to an "enhanced educational trust fund" to at least half of its countable athletes. Title IX rules would still apply, which means at least half of the athletes receiving the $30,000 a year would need to be women.

It seems a no brainer that larger teams will basically become tier II pro sports, but the Title IX part is interesting to me.  It seems out of place.  We are talking about employees now.  Not scholarship athletes.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2023, 11:36:36 AM
Quote
In a move that is both radical and inevitable, the NCAA is planning to propose a new Division I subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate their athletes.

The proposal appears to avoid categorizing athletes as employees of their school, instead allowing each school to opt in to a new subdivision in which athletes could license their Name, Image and Likeness rights directly to their schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12)

Quote
Schools would be required to "invest" at least $30,000 per year to an "enhanced educational trust fund" to at least half of its countable athletes. Title IX rules would still apply, which means at least half of the athletes receiving the $30,000 a year would need to be women.

It seems a no brainer that larger teams will basically become tier II pro sports, but the Title IX part is interesting to me.  It seems out of place.  We are talking about employees now.  Not scholarship athletes.

I don't know that to think of that other than this is not rough ridin' NIL. That Jim Mora quote is wild, nice to get confirmation of my belief that he's a piece of crap. He's definitely getting fired next season if they don't make a bowl.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: OB_Won on December 05, 2023, 11:45:42 AM
Quote
In a move that is both radical and inevitable, the NCAA is planning to propose a new Division I subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate their athletes.

The proposal appears to avoid categorizing athletes as employees of their school, instead allowing each school to opt in to a new subdivision in which athletes could license their Name, Image and Likeness rights directly to their schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12)

Quote
Schools would be required to "invest" at least $30,000 per year to an "enhanced educational trust fund" to at least half of its countable athletes. Title IX rules would still apply, which means at least half of the athletes receiving the $30,000 a year would need to be women.

It seems a no brainer that larger teams will basically become tier II pro sports, but the Title IX part is interesting to me.  It seems out of place.  We are talking about employees now.  Not scholarship athletes.

I don't know that to think of that other than this is not rough ridin' NIL. That Jim Mora quote is wild, nice to get confirmation of my belief that he's a piece of crap. He's definitely getting fired next season if they don't make a bowl.
Heck, why make them go to school at all if they don't want to. Might as well ask the NFL and NBA to supplement this since NCAA just wants to be minor leagues now.

1. Cheating brings players. 2. Players bring wins 3. wins-->championships 4. chips-->fans/donors 5. fans/donors-->money. 6. Repeat steps 1-6.  What's the downside to cheating (USC, tOSU, KU, etc.). #FreeQuan
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on December 05, 2023, 11:58:32 AM
Quote
In a move that is both radical and inevitable, the NCAA is planning to propose a new Division I subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate their athletes.

The proposal appears to avoid categorizing athletes as employees of their school, instead allowing each school to opt in to a new subdivision in which athletes could license their Name, Image and Likeness rights directly to their schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12)

Quote
Schools would be required to "invest" at least $30,000 per year to an "enhanced educational trust fund" to at least half of its countable athletes. Title IX rules would still apply, which means at least half of the athletes receiving the $30,000 a year would need to be women.

It seems a no brainer that larger teams will basically become tier II pro sports, but the Title IX part is interesting to me.  It seems out of place.  We are talking about employees now.  Not scholarship athletes.

I don't know that to think of that other than this is not rough ridin' NIL. That Jim Mora quote is wild, nice to get confirmation of my belief that he's a piece of crap. He's definitely getting fired next season if they don't make a bowl.

St. Nick said the same thing last year addressing the ATM NIL issue.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 05, 2023, 12:45:10 PM
Quote
In a move that is both radical and inevitable, the NCAA is planning to propose a new Division I subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate their athletes.

The proposal appears to avoid categorizing athletes as employees of their school, instead allowing each school to opt in to a new subdivision in which athletes could license their Name, Image and Likeness rights directly to their schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12)

Quote
Schools would be required to "invest" at least $30,000 per year to an "enhanced educational trust fund" to at least half of its countable athletes. Title IX rules would still apply, which means at least half of the athletes receiving the $30,000 a year would need to be women.

It seems a no brainer that larger teams will basically become tier II pro sports, but the Title IX part is interesting to me.  It seems out of place.  We are talking about employees now.  Not scholarship athletes.

I don't know that to think of that other than this is not rough ridin' NIL. That Jim Mora quote is wild, nice to get confirmation of my belief that he's a piece of crap. He's definitely getting fired next season if they don't make a bowl.

St. Nick said the same thing last year addressing the ATM NIL issue.

Buddy, you can say that when you're Saban coaching at Alabama. Jim Mora is a shitty coach coming off of a 3-9 season at UConn. They aren't asking for national championships, NIL isn't making him lose to FIU, Gerogia State, and Utah State.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on December 05, 2023, 08:58:23 PM
Quote
In a move that is both radical and inevitable, the NCAA is planning to propose a new Division I subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate their athletes.

The proposal appears to avoid categorizing athletes as employees of their school, instead allowing each school to opt in to a new subdivision in which athletes could license their Name, Image and Likeness rights directly to their schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/breaking-in-radical-change-ncaa-proposing-new-subdivision-to-allow-schools-to-pay-athletes-directly/ar-AA1l2eVe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=232d79fdc7144915acafedb3ba97f226&ei=12)

Quote
Schools would be required to "invest" at least $30,000 per year to an "enhanced educational trust fund" to at least half of its countable athletes. Title IX rules would still apply, which means at least half of the athletes receiving the $30,000 a year would need to be women.

It seems a no brainer that larger teams will basically become tier II pro sports, but the Title IX part is interesting to me.  It seems out of place.  We are talking about employees now.  Not scholarship athletes.

I don't know that to think of that other than this is not rough ridin' NIL. That Jim Mora quote is wild, nice to get confirmation of my belief that he's a piece of crap. He's definitely getting fired next season if they don't make a bowl.

St. Nick said the same thing last year addressing the ATM NIL issue.

Buddy, you can say that when you're Saban coaching at Alabama. Jim Mora is a shitty coach coming off of a 3-9 season at UConn. They aren't asking for national championships, NIL isn't making him lose to FIU, Gerogia State, and Utah State.

I have seen Ruhle addressing the media and said they need 1.5 to 2 million to approach a portal QB to play for NU.  Talking heads claim he was addressing the fans and alumni for donations.  Anyway, I'm not surprised that coaches are asking for NIL money when their AD has got cash running out of their ears.  At least Mora is coaching at a BB school that is spending crap on FB and any cash the AD has goes to BB   I do agree he is a piece of crap thou, but not for asking for NIL donations. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: CNS on December 06, 2023, 10:04:22 AM
Avery is certainly about to be paid a lot. 

I bet all kinds of nervous NIL money rolls in.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2023, 07:48:31 PM
Seems like a good point

https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1734357677244084479

https://twitter.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1734356162290839834
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: ben ji on December 11, 2023, 07:58:00 PM
The first team to really "figure out" NIL recruiting and how to make it work as one with HS and transfer portal recruits will have a LHC Bill Snyder/Juco type advantage for a couple of years.

As of right now it just seems like random NIL funds throwing money at players (ATM) which isn't really working.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2023, 09:47:54 PM

https://twitter.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1734356162290839834

Ah, that blue bloods bias account is a Nebraska guy. McCord is meh, why he's going from Ohio State to Nebraska, and Raiola is currently committed to Georgia
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 12, 2023, 10:20:03 AM
The first team to really "figure out" NIL recruiting and how to make it work as one with HS and transfer portal recruits will have a LHC Bill Snyder/Juco type advantage for a couple of years.

As of right now it just seems like random NIL funds throwing money at players (ATM) which isn't really working.

Yea at some point it will all balance out.  Imagine throwing a crap ton of $$ at kids and they still turn out a 6-6 type season.  This is the crap that will eventually calm the NIL waters. 
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 12, 2023, 11:25:05 AM
According to Derek Young, Klieman wasn't "all in" on nil, until now. Not that he was against it but he didn't utilize it to it's fullest extent.

I read that as Klieman didn't cheat (using nil as an inducement) until now but now he sees everyone else is, so he will now too. Young also said that Klieman basically discouraged nil money from being used to keep Will Lee.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 12, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
i regret not taking full advantage of the opportunity to say "Will Lee, the Wildcat"
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on December 20, 2023, 11:42:35 PM
Wildcat NIL feels like it must have a lot of "overhead."
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Katpappy on December 21, 2023, 01:26:25 PM
The total NIL payout to Big XII teams was the highest of all five P5 conferences for 2023.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: bucket on January 30, 2024, 09:01:40 AM
https://twitter.com/gehlkennfl/status/1752333725147295812

More players graduating. A positive outcome that I didn’t foresee.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2024, 01:08:12 PM
I don't think that means more dudes are graduating, just less declaring early. I also think this is a combo of NIL and covid seasons still cycling out. The season that just completed was the last season of covid years for freshmen in 2020. The only covid years left are for players who redshirted in 2020 or since.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: bucket on January 30, 2024, 07:53:50 PM
I don't think that means more dudes are graduating, just less declaring early. I also think this is a combo of NIL and covid seasons still cycling out. The season that just completed was the last season of covid years for freshmen in 2020. The only covid years left are for players who redshirted in 2020 or since.

In the past the conversation was always that you had a lot of guys declare early who ended up not making a roster and so they were only left with a signing bonus which may or may not be equivalent to a year's salary. I read it as NIL is enticing more of these young men to stick around rather than declare early. I doubt the number is that great but even if it's 20 or so a year that seems like a positive even if it's not that many for all of the money being invested in NIL.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Trim on February 22, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Is the product that our qb is getting paid to be endorsing the nil collective itself?
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 13, 2024, 10:10:51 AM
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https://twitter.com/PeteNakos_/status/1767571002274226213?s=20
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MadCat on March 13, 2024, 10:27:26 AM
His left hand is wiping away the tears as his right hand is holding the smoking gun
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: catastrophe on March 13, 2024, 11:22:23 AM
Serious question: what did Saban do? He seems like a hardass but I can’t think of anything that’s really made me question his integrity, or that he at all played a part in the BS the SEC has been engaged in.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: MadCat on March 13, 2024, 11:50:20 AM
Complaining about money ruining the game while simultaneously being the highest paid coach?  Then there's his wife complaining that football players just care about being where they get paid the most money.  It's a free market system so it is what it is, but it's funny that he starts complaining once his money isn't on the line.  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: catastrophe on March 13, 2024, 12:14:07 PM
That logic doesn't really make sense to me. What is the alternative for a HC? Just voluntarily let the university keep more of the value that he's driving? Take some of his salary in scholarship money and get another degree?

The school doesn't pay the players. And his complaint isn't that they're focused on NIL money, it's that they're focused on cashing out their current value instead of focusing on increasing their value for the NFL or whatever. FWIW, I do think actually employing the players rather than trying to come up with all these side NIL deals would address some of the problem.
Title: Re: How much are we going to pay our players?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on March 13, 2024, 01:21:53 PM
Serious question: what did Saban do? He seems like a hardass but I can’t think of anything that’s really made me question his integrity, or that he at all played a part in the BS the SEC has been engaged in.

I personally know three people who worked with him directly at different jobs and they all described him in varying terms as essentially being "the most miserable a$$hole on the planet."

Beyond being insufferable to work for (it wasn't just people using him as a stepping stone to better jobs - you could only work for that guy for a finite amount of time), he was an incredible hypocrite in loads of respects - whether it be about money, the level playing field, etc. He presented himself as an advocate for the game, but he was always incredibly self-serving and disingenuous.

One of my favorite hypocrite moments was Saban bitching constantly for 2-3 years about up tempo/no-huddle offenses ruining the game of football ("Is this really what we want football to be?") and then getting pasted a few times and hiring Lane Kiffin to install an up tempo/no-huddle offense.

Obviously a great coach - at least when he had the advantages of being in top tier programs - there's mythology that he was great at Michigan State - he wasn't. He had one good year and then bolted for LSU.

Anyways, he's just a turd of a person - like many coaches, unfortunately.