The Biden (interim) Dictator

[420seriouscat69]

The sentiment was simply to say, only making 40K should push you. If this happens and can help out my sons future, I'm all for it. I do wonder what the overall economic impact would be in our world, in the long run though.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Putting Esq. after your name is also extremely toxic and telling of one's character, but I agree with her point.

Bill S. Preston, esq. is not a toxic person at all and has outstanding moral character.

[Dugout DickStone]

Putting Esq. after your name is also extremely toxic and telling of one's character, but I agree with her point.

Bill S. Preston, esq. is not a toxic person at all and has outstanding moral character.

yeah I just popped in to echo this point.  How F'ing dare you Spracs?

[Justwin]

If Biden forgives student loans in general, I would be very angry about it. If he did this, I would vote for whoever the Republicans run in 2024. Normally, I don't vote, but I would make a special point to vote in this case.

A fully funded UBI would be great and something I would be behind 100%.

People that put ESQ after their name are toxic, just like people that insist on being called Dr.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm probably going to vote for Biden regardless because I like western ideals like having basic human rights and elections that matter. I'd rather not live in some 3rd world crap hole like Russia, and I doubt the republicans end up nominating anyone who feels the same way.

[CNS]

I hope a solid third party guy runs this election.  In the past, a major concern has been third party guys not being invited to the debates.  Well, the pubs already said they don't plan on participating in debates next go round.  If that's the case, bring on some sensible third party guy or girl and let's stop playing the the two loser game.

[Justwin]

I'm probably going to vote for Biden regardless because I like western ideals like having basic human rights and elections that matter. I'd rather not live in some 3rd world crap hole like Russia, and I doubt the republicans end up nominating anyone who feels the same way.

Western ideals is an interesting phrase to use when discussing people getting off scot-free from the debts they willingly agreed to.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm probably going to vote for Biden regardless because I like western ideals like having basic human rights and elections that matter. I'd rather not live in some 3rd world crap hole like Russia, and I doubt the republicans end up nominating anyone who feels the same way.

Western ideals is an interesting phrase to use when discussing people getting off scot-free from the debts they willingly agreed to.

Yeah, probably better to vote in people who think it's ok to overturn legitimate election results instead.

[MakeItRain]

I'm probably going to vote for Biden regardless because I like western ideals like having basic human rights and elections that matter. I'd rather not live in some 3rd world crap hole like Russia, and I doubt the republicans end up nominating anyone who feels the same way.

Western ideals is an interesting phrase to use when discussing people getting off scot-free from the debts they willingly agreed to.

Yeah, probably better to vote in people who think it's ok to overturn legitimate election results instead.

Right. What an absolutely ridiculous line to draw. Of all the money that government routinely wastes. I was gonna vote for Biden but he forgave some loans so instead I'm going to vote for a bigot insurrectionist who will give that amount of money in government contracts, tax breaks, and incentives to millionaires and billionaires in the name of cronyism anyway. Vote for whoever you want but using that as some moralistic high ground is absurd and transparent.

[Katpappy]

The decision on how the government should pay off loan debt should be based on the payment amount and the income of the debtor.  If the payment is too high for the debtor based on their income, it should be reduced to an affordable amount.  This would not be dependent on the annual amount of income one makes or the amount of the loan by itself.  Only this combination would suffice to be fair for all.

[bucket]

The decision on how the government should pay off loan debt should be based on the payment amount and the income of the debtor.  If the payment is too high for the debtor based on their income, it should be reduced to an affordable amount.  This would not be dependent on the annual amount of income one makes or the amount of the loan by itself.  Only this combination would suffice to be fair for all.

This doesn't read like a Katpappy post.

[sonofdaxjones]

I’m for forgiving debt of those who through a turn of life smacking them in the face had to postpone payback.  Thus getting hit with interest and penalties at a ridiculous pace.

I’m not for forgiving debt for someone who wanted to get a drama degree at High Point or Samford (or insert one of hundreds of overpriced overhyped private colleges here).

[steve dave]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

[Justwin]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

[steve dave]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

I'm against an even more formal caste system than we already have personally

[Justwin]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

I'm against a caste system personally

I am too. If you had many fewer people going to college, there would be much less stigma attached to not having a college degree and allow for more mobility for those without a college degree. The amount of resources spent by society on college education is very disproportional to the actual skills imparted to those who graduate. I would say that 80% of college education is simply signaling.

[steve dave]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

I'm against a caste system personally

I am too. If you had many fewer people going to college, there would be much less stigma attached to not having college degree and allow for more mobility for those without a college degree. The amount of resources spent by society on college education is very disproportional to the actual skills imparted to those who graduate. I would say that 80% of college education is simply signaling.

I went to college and got mostly nothing from classes (because I was a massive eff off and moron) and also got an absolute truckload from it overall. 10/10 would recommend. The market decides on the college degree requirement, at least I know mine does. And by the way, the market is hurting for employees at the moment (not my personal one, I'm incredible to work for) but overall. if the market decides that college degrees aren't important then trust me, it'll make a move. A college degree shows me that a person can work a schedule, organize, network, has a minimum required knowledge of whatever they graduated in (though certainly not much given my own personal experience), and most importantly can succeed socially with their peers. I have no idea what "signalling" means so can't comment on that piece. Overall I definitely believe a college degree is very good (though not critical) and is a great indication that someone has at least the baseline skills to talk to about a career working at my company. 

[Justwin]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

I'm against a caste system personally

I am too. If you had many fewer people going to college, there would be much less stigma attached to not having college degree and allow for more mobility for those without a college degree. The amount of resources spent by society on college education is very disproportional to the actual skills imparted to those who graduate. I would say that 80% of college education is simply signaling.

I went to college and got mostly nothing from classes (because I was a massive eff off and moron) and also got an absolute truckload from it overall. 10/10 would recommend. The market decides on the college degree requirement, at least I know mine does. And by the way, the market is hurting for employees at the moment (not my personal one, I'm incredible to work for) but overall. if the market decides that college degrees aren't important then trust me, it'll make a move. A college degree shows me that a person can work a schedule, organize, network, has a minimum required knowledge of whatever they graduated in (though certainly not much given my own personal experience), and most importantly can succeed socially with their peers. I have no idea what "signalling" means so can't comment on that piece. Overall I definitely believe a college degree is very good (though not critical) and is a great indication that someone has at least the baseline skills to talk to about a career working at my company.

If there were few people with college degrees, the market would no longer require it. Businesses are using college education as a screening tool (this is the essence of signaling) for the type of person they want to hire. Your comment about what a college degree shows you proves this. Society at large should not be paying for a screening tool for businesses. Businesses should pay for this. Overall, with the current subsidies to higher education, getting a college degree is a much better deal for students on an individual basis than it is for society overall. It is a waste of resources for society overall.

[steve dave]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

I'm against a caste system personally

I am too. If you had many fewer people going to college, there would be much less stigma attached to not having college degree and allow for more mobility for those without a college degree. The amount of resources spent by society on college education is very disproportional to the actual skills imparted to those who graduate. I would say that 80% of college education is simply signaling.

I went to college and got mostly nothing from classes (because I was a massive eff off and moron) and also got an absolute truckload from it overall. 10/10 would recommend. The market decides on the college degree requirement, at least I know mine does. And by the way, the market is hurting for employees at the moment (not my personal one, I'm incredible to work for) but overall. if the market decides that college degrees aren't important then trust me, it'll make a move. A college degree shows me that a person can work a schedule, organize, network, has a minimum required knowledge of whatever they graduated in (though certainly not much given my own personal experience), and most importantly can succeed socially with their peers. I have no idea what "signalling" means so can't comment on that piece. Overall I definitely believe a college degree is very good (though not critical) and is a great indication that someone has at least the baseline skills to talk to about a career working at my company.

If there were few people with college degrees, the market would no longer require it. Businesses are using college education as a screening tool (this is the essence of signaling) for the type of person they want to hire. Your comment about what a college degree shows you proves this. Society at large should not be paying for a screening tool for businesses. Businesses should pay for this. Overall, with the current subsidies to higher education, getting a college degree is a much better deal for students on an individual basis than it is for society overall. It is a waste of resources for society overall.

ok, signalling means screening? because those words are not similar at all and I was confused and appreciate you. college degrees are an excellent signal/screen for our employees having success, that is 100% a fact. Your comment about "society overall" and "waste of resources" are interesting. what basis do you have for that? and I'm certainly of all rough ridin' people ok with just feeling or whatever because I'm not bringing references to the table.

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/hobbsisme/status/1519708056505880577

[michigancat]

my issue is that if we are going to solve the massive problem we clearly have (common ground, I think) of college being too expensive and needing to be a free public service (with expensive private options obv) then we probably should also cancel the debt out there at the same time. Also, it'll be a massive economic win to pay off this debt, imo.

We should have half as many people going to college as go and college should be much more expensive than it is. See The Case Against Education.

I'm against a caste system personally

I am too. If you had many fewer people going to college, there would be much less stigma attached to not having college degree and allow for more mobility for those without a college degree. The amount of resources spent by society on college education is very disproportional to the actual skills imparted to those who graduate. I would say that 80% of college education is simply signaling.

I went to college and got mostly nothing from classes (because I was a massive eff off and moron) and also got an absolute truckload from it overall. 10/10 would recommend. The market decides on the college degree requirement, at least I know mine does. And by the way, the market is hurting for employees at the moment (not my personal one, I'm incredible to work for) but overall. if the market decides that college degrees aren't important then trust me, it'll make a move. A college degree shows me that a person can work a schedule, organize, network, has a minimum required knowledge of whatever they graduated in (though certainly not much given my own personal experience), and most importantly can succeed socially with their peers. I have no idea what "signalling" means so can't comment on that piece. Overall I definitely believe a college degree is very good (though not critical) and is a great indication that someone has at least the baseline skills to talk to about a career working at my company.

If there were few people with college degrees, the market would no longer require it. Businesses are using college education as a screening tool (this is the essence of signaling) for the type of person they want to hire. Your comment about what a college degree shows you proves this. Society at large should not be paying for a screening tool for businesses. Businesses should pay for this. Overall, with the current subsidies to higher education, getting a college degree is a much better deal for students on an individual basis than it is for society overall. It is a waste of resources for society overall.

ok, signalling means screening? because those words are not similar at all and I was confused and appreciate you. college degrees are an excellent signal/screen for our employees having success, that is 100% a fact. Your comment about "society overall" and "waste of resources" are interesting. what basis do you have for that? and I'm certainly of all rough ridin' people ok with just feeling or whatever because I'm not bringing references to the table.

I imagine most investment in public education has a positive ROI. But JW's a numbers guy, maybe he has data that says otherwise???

[chum1]

Hard to believe we could get any more stupid overall as a country, but devaluing education might be a good place to start.

[star seed 7]

I kind of agree with jw 

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm probably going to vote for Biden regardless because I like western ideals like having basic human rights and elections that matter. I'd rather not live in some 3rd world crap hole like Russia, and I doubt the republicans end up nominating anyone who feels the same way.

Western ideals is an interesting phrase to use when discussing people getting off scot-free from the debts they willingly agreed to.

You should REALLY look up just a few resources on farm subsidies/fossil fuel subsidies/corporate welfare that our gov routinely engages in.  Just to give you a little perspective if nothing else.

[steve dave]

as progeny of BIG FARM I came into this world suckling at the gov. teet and, folks, it rules