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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #300 on: July 07, 2021, 05:46:09 PM »
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #301 on: July 07, 2021, 06:44:16 PM »
America being the greatest country in the world is an interesting cultural question.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #302 on: July 07, 2021, 06:46:03 PM »
America being the greatest country in the world is an interesting cultural question.

some good commentary on that by yglesias and @mattgrossmann.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #303 on: July 07, 2021, 07:39:00 PM »
Hadn't seen those, I think Grossman has a point that cultural questions are going to shift to different grounds as the country generally moves more liberal in certain areas. Marriage or weed are decent examples, I dunno what's another one like violence/sex in TV, music or video games?

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #304 on: July 07, 2021, 09:16:29 PM »
I dunno what's another one like violence/sex in TV, music or video games?

i feel like we mostly just got tired of that as a political issue rather than people changing their minds on it, but i guess it's sort of the same thing.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #305 on: July 08, 2021, 10:32:09 AM »
I'm not sure I completely agree with this account of the way things have changed. Or with the idea that there were two things and now there are four things. But there are some great reflections about the differing values of people today and how it is difficult for them to see eye to eye.


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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #306 on: July 08, 2021, 03:39:24 PM »
that was very interesting.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #307 on: July 08, 2021, 03:43:44 PM »
I'm not sure I completely agree with this account of the way things have changed. Or with the idea that there were two things and now there are four things. But there are some great reflections about the differing values of people today and how it is difficult for them to see eye to eye.

haven't read the article but listed to an interesting podcast talking about it last night.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #308 on: July 09, 2021, 08:05:08 AM »
That was pretty good, long tho. What was the podcast it was on, might give that a listen?

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #309 on: July 09, 2021, 08:48:06 AM »
It's a pretty good representation of modern politically motivated white people.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #310 on: July 09, 2021, 08:54:35 AM »
It's a pretty good representation of modern politically motivated white people.

Yeah, it seems like there would only be a handful of non-whites in any of those categories. Do other non-white views of America just not count here or what?

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #311 on: July 09, 2021, 09:17:17 AM »
Well politically motivated white people pretty much control politics in this country. I'm don't think the point was other views don't count, but they certainly do not have the amount of influence.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #312 on: July 09, 2021, 09:24:38 AM »
What an enjoyable article.

Conservatives:  Hollowed out evil!

Libs:  Oh gosh, just a few ideological missteps along the way, but always on a correctable course


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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #313 on: July 09, 2021, 09:30:03 AM »
Well politically motivated white people pretty much control politics in this country. I'm don't think the point was other views don't count, but they certainly do not have the amount of influence.

Probably has to do with using past ideological and political movements for context, which well would have been even less inclusive, and trying to oversimplify so many different experiences over a long period of time.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #314 on: July 09, 2021, 09:39:04 AM »
Dax, it might be time for some self reflection if you think an accurate representation of conservatives (YOUR SIDE in daxspeak) comes across as hollowed out evil.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #315 on: July 09, 2021, 09:43:15 AM »
I'm not sure I completely agree with this account of the way things have changed. Or with the idea that there were two things and now there are four things. But there are some great reflections about the differing values of people today and how it is difficult for them to see eye to eye.

Man, every Atlantic article is about 3 times as long as it should be.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #316 on: July 09, 2021, 09:45:16 AM »
Dax, it might be time for some self reflection if you think an accurate representation of conservatives (YOUR SIDE in daxspeak) comes across as hollowed out evil.

There's an entire section of the article which in so many words paints the conservative movement from the 1980's to the 1990's as either vapid empty suits or hellbent to destroy the government mechanisms as we know them.   It's complete tripe derived from partisan Lib dogma.

It then paints the Clinton and Obama years with a sort of white knuckle angst full of good intentions, but with some gut wrenching self congratulating over the top platitudinal missteps sprinkled with some gringe worthy political stump disenfranchisement.

The author correctly, but only superficially marks the turn of ProgLibs into ProgFacists and only slightly touches on the full assimilation of the Liberal movement into everything that they used to hate. 


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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #317 on: July 09, 2021, 10:08:00 AM »
It's a pretty good representation of modern politically motivated white people.

Yeah, it seems like there would only be a handful of non-whites in any of those categories. Do other non-white views of America just not count here or what?

i think most non-white, non-black americans would be decently accommodated by those categories.  black americans are pretty unique and a fifth category is probably needed to accommodate a lot of black americans.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #318 on: July 15, 2021, 12:59:31 PM »
This schedule sounds like Hell. Not worth the prestige or whatever you get out of that job.


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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #319 on: July 28, 2021, 02:57:36 AM »

Also key to keep in mind tho

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #320 on: July 28, 2021, 04:25:05 PM »
Decent post on one aspect of why we build things for so much coin

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And yet there’s a problem of comparable size when discussing infrastructure waste, which, lacking any better term for it, I am going to call leakage. The definition of leakage is any project that is bundled into an infrastructure package that is not useful to the project under discussion and is not costed together with it. 

https://pedestrianobservations.com/2021/07/23/the-leakage-problem

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #321 on: July 28, 2021, 09:29:53 PM »
interesting post.  so many problems with construction/land use in this country, and not much political will to change anything.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #322 on: July 28, 2021, 10:29:54 PM »
I thought it was interesting but the passage about the Yellow Vest protests in France being “mostly white supremacist” is an odd charge without any supporting evidence. Stanning for Macron that hard is pretty funny.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #323 on: Today at 12:07:09 AM »
I thought it was interesting but the passage about the Yellow Vest protests in France being “mostly white supremacist” is an odd charge without any supporting evidence. Stanning for Macron that hard is pretty funny.

Yea some of the characterizations of the in country politics were well, how to say this, hastily interjected into the broader subject without any supporting evidence.