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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #676 on: June 02, 2020, 08:11:56 PM »

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #678 on: June 02, 2020, 08:13:38 PM »
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.

https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #679 on: June 02, 2020, 08:14:46 PM »
stop hiring them

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #680 on: June 02, 2020, 08:24:22 PM »
stop hiring them

so no more police is your answer? 

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« Reply #681 on: June 02, 2020, 08:33:45 PM »
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #682 on: June 02, 2020, 08:36:14 PM »
i wasn't among the people that thought that the protests&repressions thereof would benefit trump, but i certainly didn't think that the, not quite condemnation, but at least hesitancy to unconditionally support him, would be this broad.

https://twitter.com/AuthorKimberley/status/1267988964398583809
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #683 on: June 02, 2020, 08:44:01 PM »
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.

Did anybody say that?  Would you be rehiring BETTER people under the current situation?

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« Reply #684 on: June 02, 2020, 08:44:55 PM »
Would you be rehiring BETTER people under the current situation?

yes.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #685 on: June 02, 2020, 08:46:13 PM »
stop hiring them

so no more police is your answer?
Yeah it would be a good start

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #686 on: June 02, 2020, 08:48:09 PM »
Have there ever been any cop gE's other than Daris?  It's not an attractive job. 

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #687 on: June 02, 2020, 08:50:49 PM »
Would you be rehiring BETTER people under the current situation?

yes.

I'm listening.  There are open cop jobs now.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #688 on: June 02, 2020, 08:52:09 PM »
stop hiring them

so no more police is your answer?
Yeah it would be a good start

if you mean don't net add to PD forces I'm probably okay with that overall.  Clams might disagree but I agree their budgets and numbers are probably big enough, they just need to use them better.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #689 on: June 02, 2020, 08:58:03 PM »
Gun bros showing up in Wichita this evening. ICT has been interesting and really pretty inspiring the past couple of days, but demonstrations have mostly been centered at 21st and Arkansas, 21st and Hillside, which aren't really near the more white-bread areas. I think there has been some stuff downtown.

A demonstration at 21st and Maize tonight is a different story. While I'm hopeful for the best, I can really see things turning south here.

https://twitter.com/travisheying/status/1267975015850487808/photo/2

Some other tweet stuff

https://twitter.com/NolanRothKAKE/status/1267987178577068033

https://twitter.com/NolanRothKAKE/status/1267981644251758598



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If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #690 on: June 02, 2020, 09:00:27 PM »
I read an article a few years ago about how they can’t hire them fast enough here in socal due to the extremely high turnover but I’m sure you all could fix the problem given the opportunity. 

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #691 on: June 02, 2020, 09:06:36 PM »
There are open cop jobs now.

unemployment rate is what, 15% currently?  if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #692 on: June 02, 2020, 09:09:10 PM »
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.

https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
Yeah I agree with almost all of that - depending on the extent of "legalize drugs."

I wonder what wood would (lol) object to from that list, if any.
Good point, needs to be full legalization across the board
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #694 on: June 02, 2020, 09:16:34 PM »
There are open cop jobs now.

unemployment rate is what, 15% currently?  if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.

It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #695 on: June 02, 2020, 09:20:52 PM »
The only appealing-sounding thing to me about being a cop is being an off-duty cop. No one knows you're a cop unless you're needed, then you swoop in like Superman and save the day.

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« Reply #696 on: June 02, 2020, 09:21:11 PM »
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.

Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.

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« Reply #697 on: June 02, 2020, 09:22:47 PM »
There are open cop jobs now.

unemployment rate is what, 15% currently?  if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.

It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #698 on: June 02, 2020, 09:23:51 PM »


There are open cop jobs now.

unemployment rate is what, 15% currently?  if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.

It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.

And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #699 on: June 02, 2020, 09:24:40 PM »
I read an article a few years ago about how they can’t hire them fast enough here in socal due to the extremely high turnover but I’m sure you all could fix the problem given the opportunity.

The high turnover is a can be helped by reforms.