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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #650 on: June 02, 2020, 04:35:23 PM »
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly).  And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.

I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?

Let me guess, poverty? If only it were that simple. But even if it were, the poor will be with us always (Jesus's words, not mine). We can't control outcomes. We can, however, strive to guarantee equal protection under law. Blowing up capitalism is a really stupid idea as a solution, and I think that Boots fellow is a bloody idiot, after reading some of his stuff. He's good at putting labels on certain ideas to lend an air of academia to what he's talking about, but that's about it. I don't think I'll be paying any further attention to him going forward.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #653 on: June 02, 2020, 04:58:02 PM »
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly).  And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.

I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?

Let me guess, poverty? If only it were that simple. But even if it were, the poor will be with us always (Jesus's words, not mine). We can't control outcomes.

I think poverty is a major driver! I don't think you need to 100% completely eliminate poverty to make an impact on incarceration rates. And I don't think it's an outcome that is completely out of our control.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #656 on: June 02, 2020, 05:29:59 PM »
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #657 on: June 02, 2020, 05:31:49 PM »
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865

I still enjoy reading his thoughts

It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic

There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #658 on: June 02, 2020, 05:33:27 PM »
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly).  And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.

I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?
If the argument is “less poverty=less crime=less police brutality” then yeah I agree.  I don’t think that point is what he’s going for or very controversial.

The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty. 


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #659 on: June 02, 2020, 05:34:16 PM »
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865

I still enjoy reading his thoughts

It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic

There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.

who is the non-black person here? me?

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #660 on: June 02, 2020, 05:38:21 PM »
The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty. 
I think you're getting lost in the weeds

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #661 on: June 02, 2020, 05:43:45 PM »
The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty. 
I think you're getting lost in the weeds
I think any novel force his argument could possibly have falls apart with barely any scrutiny.

Without “Communism=less poverty,” all he’s saying is that police brutality wouldn’t happen as often if fewer people were poor, which, duh.


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #662 on: June 02, 2020, 05:54:44 PM »
The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty. 
I think you're getting lost in the weeds
I think any novel force his argument could possibly have falls apart with barely any scrutiny.

Without “Communism=less poverty,” all he’s saying is that police brutality wouldn’t happen as often if fewer people were poor, which, duh.

you probably stopped reading, but he actually called for a general strike as a short term way to call attention to and impact police brutality. which is in all practicality difficult given the recent covid adjustment but again it's an interesting perspective

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266853472286081024

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266853473867272192

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #663 on: June 02, 2020, 05:57:34 PM »
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865

I still enjoy reading his thoughts

It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic

There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.

who is the non-black person here? me?

I’m not referring to posters on this board.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #664 on: June 02, 2020, 06:01:04 PM »
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865

I still enjoy reading his thoughts

It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic

There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.

who is the non-black person here? me?

I’m not referring to posters on this board.

Same.
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #665 on: June 02, 2020, 06:03:16 PM »
It’s an interesting perspective because it’s a fairy tale.  Obviously a general strike would cause massive problems for society and it’d be an effective way to coerce govt/police to take action against cops.

As you point out there’s not going to be a general strike because people want to continue buying stuff - even if there hasn’t been covid.

All it is is Marxist fanfic.


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #668 on: June 02, 2020, 06:34:14 PM »
At first I was like, damn bayonets sound terrible, but then I’m like, if it gets to the point of the military engaging civilians, we’re past concern of sending the wrong message.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #669 on: June 02, 2020, 07:31:42 PM »
The police reaction to all of this kind of seems like they are staging their own violent protest against having to protect minorities.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #670 on: June 02, 2020, 07:38:48 PM »
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.

https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
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« Reply #671 on: June 02, 2020, 07:42:50 PM »
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.

https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
Yeah I agree with almost all of that - depending on the extent of "legalize drugs."

I wonder what wood would (lol) object to from that list, if any.


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #672 on: June 02, 2020, 07:47:21 PM »
7. Cops can't have guns


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