Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1266213127189905410
Post by: LickNeckey on May 28, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:30:19 PM
https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1266213707027283968
Post by: DQ12 on May 28, 2020, 11:33:06 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 28, 2020, 11:34:29 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:35:22 PM
https://twitter.com/GrantB911/status/1266223275568480257
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:38:37 PM
https://twitter.com/nbc4i/status/1266216805879644160
https://twitter.com/EricHalperinTV/status/1266213162061303810
Post by: star seed 7 on May 28, 2020, 11:41:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:45:13 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 12:06:44 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 12:08:33 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
This should help.God help us.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 29, 2020, 12:40:22 AM
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 12:58:55 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 04:40:58 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
You know the building didn't have anyone in it, right?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 04:59:45 AM
This should help.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704
He's really gonna cry now, little bitch
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49948363902_cc5b37db94_c.jpg)
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 06:58:54 AM
https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266166402521522176?s=19
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 07:16:06 AM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609Seems like a pretty mild reaction to being pepper sprayed.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 07:19:58 AM
This should help.God help us.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704
This is unbelievable
Post by: 8manpick on May 29, 2020, 07:23:53 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 07:34:46 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 08:12:33 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 08:14:26 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 08:17:53 AM
Me starting a thread and Trump tweeting about it are obviously of similar magnitude
Goes without saying.
Post by: 8manpick on May 29, 2020, 08:26:56 AM
xpost/ Political facebook postsThey burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
(https://scontent.ford4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/100658691_2447362795555895_1630641903668035584_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=p7oHFpdP_-sAX-6sG_M&_nc_ht=scontent.ford4-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=cbf82b537a220fa6d5ce95f88e531800&oe=5EF6ECC4)
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 08:44:56 AM
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 08:46:21 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 29, 2020, 08:47:33 AM
I think that the "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" is the single worst thing that Trump has said. He's advocating killing his own country's citizens without a trial for property damage and theft. That's abhorrent.
It's so horrible, I thought it was from a parody account because that would be over the top even for him. Nope. There is no bottom.
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Burning down your own community is rough ridin' stupid. Nothing is getting Trumps attention, he doesn’t give a crap about who died. He’s probably happy about it tbh.
Post by: cfbandyman on May 29, 2020, 08:50:34 AM
I think that the "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" is the single worst thing that Drumpf has said. He's advocating killing his own country's citizens without a trial for property damage and theft. That's abhorrent.
It's so horrible, I thought it was from a parody account because that would be over the top even for him. Nope. There is no bottom.
I would seriously just wait for his response for the incitement of violence twitter put on him. I would be that will cause the new lows to continue.
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 08:53:48 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Burning down your own community is rough ridin' stupid. Nothing is getting Trumps attention, he doesn’t give a crap about who died. He’s probably happy about it tbh.
what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 08:58:42 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Burning down your own community is rough ridin' stupid. Nothing is getting Trumps attention, he doesn’t give a crap about who died. He’s probably happy about it tbh.
what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?
Did you seriously just ask me what Target has done for the Minneapolis community? Well let’s see, for one there is a rough ridin' stadium called...Target Field. I would imagine Target has done a rough ridin' ton for the Minneapolis community over the years.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 08:59:51 AM
TARGET BUILT THE BASEBALL STADIUM!
The soothsayer
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
Did they actually build it or did they just pay millions of dollars to have their name put on it for marketing purposes?
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 09:02:39 AM
Did you seriously just ask me what Target has done for the Minneapolis community? Well let’s see, for one there is a rough ridin' stadium called...Target Field. I would imagine Target has done a rough ridin' ton for the Minneapolis community over the years.
Target Field wasn't for the people of George Floyd's community.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 09:03:39 AM
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 09:04:09 AM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Burning down your own community is rough ridin' stupid. Nothing is getting Trumps attention, he doesn’t give a crap about who died. He’s probably happy about it tbh.
what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?
my guess would be harass, overcharge, and underpay, respectively.
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 09:09:45 AM
This is why I never get into these discussions. You guys cherry pick crap. Large corporations buy naming rights on stadiums and stuff but they still give back to their communities. It’s never enough and maybe a publicity thing but they still give back to their entire community in some way, at least in the HQ city.Did you seriously just ask me what Target has done for the Minneapolis community? Well let’s see, for one there is a rough ridin' stadium called...Target Field. I would imagine Target has done a rough ridin' ton for the Minneapolis community over the years.
Target Field wasn't for the people of George Floyd's community.
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 09:10:08 AM
I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Burning down your own community is rough ridin' stupid. Nothing is getting Trumps attention, he doesn’t give a crap about who died. He’s probably happy about it tbh.
what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)
Quote
Elias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 09:11:52 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 09:13:33 AM
Post by: 8manpick on May 29, 2020, 09:13:53 AM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1266146369905070080?s=20
Video of him actually breaking them is down the thread.
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:14:04 AM
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
A baseball stadium? Oh well, why didn't someone say something before hand.Given that MSP is a huge hub for them I’m also guessing Target employs a crap ton of residents.
Did they actually build it or did they just pay millions of dollars to have their name put on it for marketing purposes?
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
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Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 09:18:14 AM
https://twitter.com/bellers03/status/1266174838374313992?s=21
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Only our great country can somehow find a way to outshine a pandemic killing 100k Americans.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 09:19:21 AM
I know this is not right but since it appears nobody was seriously hurt i'm going to say it: lmao
I thought everybody chasing the car on foot was pretty LOL
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
I know this is not right but since it appears nobody was seriously hurt i'm going to say it: lmao
the first time I saw it I thought the guy was gonna bleed out
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
I know this is not right but since it appears nobody was seriously hurt i'm going to say it: lmao
I thought everybody chasing the car on foot was pretty LOL
the dude looked so proud of himself when he hopped off like "did you guys see me on top of that car? lmao" then almost got smoked from behind.
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:23:38 AM
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1266374212018556928
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Post by: chum1 on May 29, 2020, 09:26:56 AM
https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1266298962996158472
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:30:11 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:31:58 AM
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
incredible
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 09:32:18 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
You forgot "and being paid by George Soros".
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 09:34:00 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
Rank these from your most mad to least mad Dax
a) Floyd's death
b) President of the United States saying looters should be shot
c) Target being looted
d) No charges in Floyd's death
e) Twitter putting a violence warning on a president's tweet
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 09:35:12 AM
what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:35:54 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
You forgot "and being paid by George Soros".
I fully understand that just like with all things ProgoNazi, you guys are going to gaslight the crap out of it and attempt to tell us it's not real.
It's not the least bit surprising that ProgoNazi's rally around the worlds greatest and richest austerity ghoul in George Soros.
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:36:33 AM
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 09:37:49 AM
Similar:
https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1266298962996158472
https://twitter.com/hshaban/status/1266377246782054403
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1266360550306525192
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:40:36 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
Rank these from your most mad to least mad Dax
a) Floyd's death
b) President of the United States saying looters should be shot
c) Target being looted
d) No charges in Floyd's death
e) Twitter putting a violence warning on a president's tweet
What I'm most mad about drama boy Phil Titola is that several of these officers have a history that dates back a decade or more and nothing has been done about it. I've been talking about the militarism in the police force for quite some time.
But I'll remind myself that giant mush headed idiots like you actually believe that its places like Minn-SP are actually more enlightened than where I'm at, here in the dirty South.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:43:37 AM
summit.news is quite the place dax
Oh yes Steve, if there's one thing people like and the rest of the Useful Idiots are known for and that's pulling from sources who have no agenda and are the pantheons of being straight down the middle, "just the news" outlets.
Post by: chum1 on May 29, 2020, 09:46:58 AM
thread
https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1266360550306525192
I don't disagree. Though, I think the phenomenon is way more general than black/white in America. It's human nature/sociology stuff. Which, to me, provides even stronger justification.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
Rank these from your most mad to least mad Dax
a) Floyd's death
b) President of the United States saying looters should be shot
c) Target being looted
d) No charges in Floyd's death
e) Twitter putting a violence warning on a president's tweet
What I'm most mad about drama boy Phil Titola is that several of these officers have a history that dates back a decade or more and nothing was been done about it. I've been talking about the militarism in the police force for quite some time.
But I'll remind myself that giant mush headed idiots like you actually believe that its places like Minn-SP are actually more enlightened than where I'm at, here in the dirty South.
this is an awful lot of projection Dax. I'm just wanting to gauge your anger at these things
Post by: 8manpick on May 29, 2020, 09:54:57 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2020, 09:58:31 AM
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 09:59:24 AM
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 09:59:37 AM
threadVery weird point.
https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1266360550306525192
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
“And these people don’t give a damn about George Floyd.”
She notes that the police officers involved in Floyd’s killing have been fired and are under investigation.
“Leave this crap alone – “these motherf**kers need to go home!” she shouts.
https://summit.news/2020/05/28/video-black-woman-complains-about-rioters-they-motherfkers-need-to-go-home/
Nothing can top the brilliance of tearing up the stores of a corporation that has about as politically left of center as you'll find in the corporate world.
I suspect if you were to start pulling the addresses of these rioters, you'd find a large percentage of them aren't even from Minn-St. Paul and are bunch of Antifa Thugs.
Rank these from your most mad to least mad Dax
a) Floyd's death
b) President of the United States saying looters should be shot
c) Target being looted
d) No charges in Floyd's death
e) Twitter putting a violence warning on a president's tweet
What I'm most mad about drama boy Phil Titola is that several of these officers have a history that dates back a decade or more and nothing was been done about it. I've been talking about the militarism in the police force for quite some time.
But I'll remind myself that giant mush headed idiots like you actually believe that its places like Minn-SP are actually more enlightened than where I'm at, here in the dirty South.
this is an awful lot of projection Dax. I'm just wantng to gauge your anger at these things
Never going to apologize for being able to see beyond the superficial, Phil.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2020, 10:02:52 AM
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 10:03:34 AM
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 10:04:57 AM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Yes, I extrapolated D to actually be how the whole thing criminal justice-wise will play out.
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 10:09:22 AM
A lot of journalists have “f) some cnn people were arrested for a little bit” at the top of their lists.Yes, this reminds me of when Frank was mean to some townie journos and they all lost their minds.
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Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:19:33 AM
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
Added to list
G) Democrats leading Minnesota government
so far we have
G,C,A
not determined yet
B,D,E,F
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:27:01 AM
Dax ranking
Added to list
G) Democrats leading Minnesota government
so far we have
G,C,A
not determined yet
B,D,E,F
Root cause:
#1 Failure of a Democratic administration(s) (Plural) in Minnesota to reform their law enforcement agencies creating an environment where officers with not only this mentality, but real world actions backing that mentality are allowed to thrive
Always glad to get you beyond the superficial, Phil
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 10:27:37 AM
A lot of journalists have “f) some cnn people were arrested for a little bit” at the top of their lists.Yes, this reminds me of when Frank was mean to some townie journos and they all lost their minds.
:lol:
(https://i.imgur.com/AxnoD2J_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:28:28 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Who is they?
Post by: LickNeckey on May 29, 2020, 10:29:57 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/missouri-leader-blames-obama-holder-ferguson/amp
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 10:30:10 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Who is they?
You said "they're arrested". It seems like you're talking about cops that killed Floyd.
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 10:33:11 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
I'm not really sure what your point is but I think democrats also suck at race relations (along with the country as a whole). I don't blame republicans any more than they've been OK with the status quo (along with democrats) for the last 50 years or so.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2020, 10:37:56 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Who is they?
You said "they're arrested". It seems like you're talking about cops that killed Floyd.
I misspoke, it should be they should be arrested.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2020, 10:43:16 AM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:47:10 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
I'm not really sure what your point is but I think democrats also suck at race relations (along with the country as a whole). I don't blame republicans any more than they've been OK with the status quo (along with democrats) for the last 50 years or so.
Unfortunately cRusty, you are not the majority of Useful Idiot nation, where the majority has been indoctrinated to believe that (D) next to the name means they're fighting for racial justice.
The default setting in these matters is to immediately blame Republicans.
I also stand by my statement that the majority of these rioters don't give a crap about Michael Floyd, and you can't convince me that there's not outside provocateurs in their midst.
Sadly, the people who actually live in these neighborhoods that are being destroyed will have to pick up the pieces.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2020, 10:51:14 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
I'm not really sure what your point is but I think democrats also suck at race relations (along with the country as a whole). I don't blame republicans any more than they've been OK with the status quo (along with democrats) for the last 50 years or so.
Unfortunately cRusty, you are not the majority of Useful Idiot nation, where the majority has been indoctrinated to believe that (D) next to the name means they're fighting for racial justice.
The default setting in these matters is to immediately blame Republicans.
I also stand by my statement that the majority of these rioters don't give a crap about Michael Floyd, and you can't convince me that there's not outside provocateurs in their midst.
Sadly, the people who actually live in these neighborhoods that are being destroyed will have to pick up the pieces.
Fopr someone who can be easily convinced of some totally stupid crap, this is a new one.
Post by: 8manpick on May 29, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
(warning, I am a moron)
Post by: kstate4life on May 29, 2020, 10:57:24 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
I'm not really sure what your point is but I think democrats also suck at race relations (along with the country as a whole). I don't blame republicans any more than they've been OK with the status quo (along with democrats) for the last 50 years or so.
Unfortunately cRusty, you are not the majority of Useful Idiot nation, where the majority has been indoctrinated to believe that (D) next to the name means they're fighting for racial justice.
The default setting in these matters is to immediately blame Republicans.
I also stand by my statement that the majority of these rioters don't give a crap about Michael Floyd, and you can't convince me that there's not outside provocateurs in their midst.
Sadly, the people who actually live in these neighborhoods that are being destroyed will have to pick up the pieces.
George
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 10:57:45 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
I'm not really sure what your point is but I think democrats also suck at race relations (along with the country as a whole). I don't blame republicans any more than they've been OK with the status quo (along with democrats) for the last 50 years or so.
Unfortunately cRusty, you are not the majority of Useful Idiot nation, where the majority has been indoctrinated to believe that (D) next to the name means they're fighting for racial justice.
The default setting in these matters is to immediately blame Republicans.
I also stand by my statement that the majority of these rioters don't give a crap about Michael Floyd, and you can't convince me that there's not outside provocateurs in their midst.
Sadly, the people who actually live in these neighborhoods that are being destroyed will have to pick up the pieces.
Fopr someone who can be easily convinced of some totally stupid crap, this is a new one.
Only an extremely stupid person actually believes that these kinds of events are fully perpetrated by indigenous populations.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2020, 11:00:03 AM
Let's expose this crap dax/bqqk! I ride with you!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Here's a picture of one of your rightfully upset African American's after they just busted out the windows of an auto parts store . . .
He just happened to stop by a Menards and a Patagonia before starting in on the day
(https://i.redd.it/gj403qmnfi151.jpg)
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
I am starting to side with dax on this. This has all of the fingerprints of Soros. I GUARANTEE there are buses paid for by Soros flowing into the twin cities right now.
Let's expose this crap dax/bqqk! I ride with you!
He can save money by combining travel costs with the caravans en route to the lake houses.
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
Here you go slow @dugoutdickstone
Here's a picture of one of your rightfully upset African American's after they just busted out the windows of an auto parts store . . .
He just happened to stop by a Menards and a Pantagonia before starting in on the day
(https://i.redd.it/gj403qmnfi151.jpg)
not that i necessarily believe it but there's quite a bit of chatter about that guy being a cop from St Paul
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 11:05:50 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Who is they?
You said "they're arrested". It seems like you're talking about cops that killed Floyd.
I misspoke, it should be they should be arrested.
uh yeah that's why there's a riot dax
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
Here you go slow @dugoutdickstone
Here's a picture of one of your rightfully upset African American's after they just busted out the windows of an auto parts store . . .
He just happened to stop by a Menards and a Pantagonia before starting in on the day
(https://i.redd.it/gj403qmnfi151.jpg)
not that i necessarily believe it but there's quite a bit of chatter about that guy being a cop from St Paul
Could be, or quite possibly seen at Gate C5 at MSP in a couple of days.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:13:11 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Who is they?
You said "they're arrested". It seems like you're talking about cops that killed Floyd.
I misspoke, it should be they should be arrested.
uh yeah that's why there's a riot dax
Good solid Democrat leadership here, Mo
But the rough ridin' Republicans, right!
Post by: 8manpick on May 29, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2020, 11:36:20 AM
Here you go slow @dugoutdickstone
Here's a picture of one of your rightfully upset African American's after they just busted out the windows of an auto parts store . . .
He just happened to stop by a Menards and a Pantagonia before starting in on the day
(https://i.redd.it/gj403qmnfi151.jpg)
I am agreeing with you. This thing is a false flag operation funded by Soros/Gates. We need to expose this
Post by: Woogy on May 29, 2020, 11:38:19 AM
I don't like rough ridin' with businesses, but 100% support rough ridin' up every piece of police property. The people gave them their tools and we have the right to take them back if they aren't used properly. I hope the procecuters office is next.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
I think the only person who has brought up republican / democrat at all is dax.
I'm behind but exactly this.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:41:09 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Well, one thing for sure, we can always count on you to inject politics.
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
The vast majority of the collective nation is appalled and disgusted by the actions of those police officers and want justice. They're arrested, the FBI and the DOJ is investigating them.
But by all means, continue to wreck the unification against the actions of those police officers by rioting and burning things to the ground. Particularly when it's some white dudes in masks busting out the windows of an auto parts store with hammers.
Mayor-Democrat
City Council-Democrat majority
Governor-Democrat
It doesn't matter if they actually reform anything, just as long as they've got the (D) next to their name. When the crap hits the fan, blame Republicans.
When were they arrested?
Who is they?
You said "they're arrested". It seems like you're talking about cops that killed Floyd.
I misspoke, it should be they should be arrested.
uh yeah that's why there's a riot dax
Good solid Democrat leadership here, Mo
But the rough ridin' Republicans, right!
i don't think the rioters are rioting against republicans dax
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 11:46:14 AM
https://twitter.com/_jeffguo/status/1266409774373056512
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
Well, one thing for sure, we can always count on you to inject politics.
It's already was, has and will be by the leaders of your party, Phil. I'm sorry that every time these things come up in a a Democrat political enclave that the first reaction is to blame the president and Republicans.
So you can thank the Maxine Waters of the world and all the talking heads you listen to all the time for injecting politics into this situation.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 11:53:25 AM
Well, one thing for sure, we can always count on you to inject politics.
It's already was, has and will be by the leaders of your party, Phil. I'm sorry that every time these things come up in a a Democrat political enclave that the first reaction is to blame the president and Republicans.
So you can thank the Maxine Waters of the world and all the talking heads you listen to all the time for injecting politics into this situation.
dax, who has blamed the president for the actions of the MLPS PD?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:55:38 AM
Well, one thing for sure, we can always count on you to inject politics.
It's already was, has and will be by the leaders of your party, Phil. I'm sorry that every time these things come up in a a Democrat political enclave that the first reaction is to blame the president and Republicans.
So you can thank the Maxine Waters of the world and all the talking heads you listen to all the time for injecting politics into this situation.
dax, who has blamed the president for the actions of the MLPS PD?
In so many words a Maxine Waters directly blamed Trump.
Maybe you should pay more attention to what the leaders of your own party are saying, Phil, rather than trying to blame Republicans for everything.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 11:59:06 AM
Please stop engaging the daxtraction
From the King of deflection :lol: :lol:
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 12:03:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZL55euX0AAsYS_?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 12:15:19 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 12:18:53 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:27:59 PM
Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us. Did the video get posted here of the cops in Texas pointing 6 guns at a man who is laying down crying, "I'm cooperating, please don't kill me" then those same cops pushing down his 90 year old grandmother trying to shield him from potential bullets? That happened two days after the George Floyd video was made public.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 12:29:02 PM
https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1266417544870666242
ALLEGEDLY
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:29:49 PM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
Come on cRusty, wtf is wrong with you? This is terrible. What the cops did was terrible and they should be charged with murder but celebrating burning down a precinct, I mean come on man.
Peaceful protest won't do crap. You think I'm starting a thread or they're getting Trump's attention if they have a goddam candlelight vigil?
Burning down your own community is rough ridin' stupid. Nothing is getting Trumps attention, he doesn’t give a crap about who died. He’s probably happy about it tbh.
A police station isn't their own community, it's literally the opposite of that. Trump's attention isn't the goal, this isn't his fault, in fact he really can't do anything to curb it.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 29, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us. Did the video get posted here of the cops in Texas pointing 6 guns at a man who is laying down crying, "I'm cooperating, please don't kill me" then those same cops pushing down his 90 year old grandmother trying to shield him from potential bullets? That happened two days after the George Floyd video was made public.
I'd be scared shitless on the daily MIR. It's not something I can even fathom honestly.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:33:39 PM
A baseball stadium? Oh well, why didn't someone say something before hand.Given that MSP is a huge hub for them I’m also guessing Target employs a crap ton of residents.
Did they actually build it or did they just pay millions of dollars to have their name put on it for marketing purposes?
Yeah, they still will
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2020, 12:38:45 PM
here's some politics injection
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZL55euX0AAsYS_?format=jpg&name=small)
There really is a tweet for everything
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
threadVery weird point.
https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1266360550306525192
What now? You need some help understanding?
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 12:42:02 PM
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Post by: chum1 on May 29, 2020, 12:44:05 PM
https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1266417544870666242
Holy crap. That guy's name is basically 'chauvinist'.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 12:46:12 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:52:03 PM
Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
The fact that most if not all of you think this is complicated is the issue. The dehumanization of black and brown people has been happening in this country since white people invaded the continent. The only thing even remotely close to getting people to have broader conversations about this has been civil disobedience. Honestly, at this point it should happen every time. This should have happened when Philando Castile was murdered. When Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond and was arrested without needing to be prodded by the public and media, and was sent to prison for 12 years, there should have been riots too.
Our tolerance of injustice is much much higher than you white people would be willing to accept. Y'all sent armed people to capitol buildings throughout the country because they were forced to eat takeout from Cracker Barrel.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Yes you do
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
I wonder if Twitter is going to use this as a double edged sword to prevent politicians from deleting their own tweets as well.This should help.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704
He's really gonna cry now, little bitch
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49948363902_cc5b37db94_c.jpg)
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 01:08:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1266417544870666242
That's how you know this is a total scam, there were three storm troopers sitting on George.
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 01:11:28 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2020, 01:11:35 PM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Yes you do
An arrest 4 days after a murder doesn't seem unusually slow to me.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 01:21:31 PM
:jerk:
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Yes you do
An arrest 4 days after a murder doesn't seem unusually slow to me.
GTFO
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 01:24:47 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Don't even bother. That idiot thinks there's some hotline white people call that sends in the .000000008% of the population that thinks its okay to carry automatic weapons over to the capital building and that every white person is on the whole operation and approves of their actions.
BTW DQ: The Cow Jumps Over the River (repeat) The Cow Jumps Over the River
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 01:25:24 PM
Considering they had video evidence and the guy’s address, seems pretty slow to me.The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Yes you do
An arrest 4 days after a murder doesn't seem unusually slow to me.
I’d be very interested to hear what critical piece of evidence emerged over the last 24 hours to prompt the arrest.
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 01:27:49 PM
Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
The fact that most if not all of you think this is complicated is the issue. The dehumanization of black and brown people has been happening in this country since white people invaded the continent. The only thing even remotely close to getting people to have broader conversations about this has been civil disobedience. Honestly, at this point it should happen every time. This should have happened when Philando Castile was murdered. When Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond and was arrested without needing to be prodded by the public and media, and was sent to prison for 12 years, there should have been riots too.
Our tolerance of injustice is much much higher than you white people would be willing to accept. Y'all sent armed people to capitol buildings throughout the country because they were forced to eat takeout from Cracker Barrel.
I absolutely think they should riot! the complicated question is can rioting go too far? I don't think they have, but I imagine it's possible.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
Considering they had video evidence and the guy’s address, seems pretty slow to me.The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Yes you do
An arrest 4 days after a murder doesn't seem unusually slow to me.
I’d be very interested to hear what critical piece of evidence emerged over the last 24 hours to prompt the arrest.
It's slower than it should be, but it seems faster than most murder cases I've bothered to follow.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 01:41:55 PM
The no charges thing doesn't bother me that much because I'm about 100% sure there will be charges. The "not guilty" verdict that will come out is the part that really sucks.
Do you think if George Floyd had killed someone on video he'd still be walking around while the prosecutor collected evidence?
I honestly have no idea.
Yes you do
An arrest 4 days after a murder doesn't seem unusually slow to me.
Y'all are wild
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
Are most murder cases filmed in front of a dozen witnesses?
No. That's why I said I really don't know. It's not worth getting worked up about, anyway. Save the outrage for the inevitable acquittal.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 01:44:23 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Don't even bother. That idiot thinks there's some hotline white people call that sends in the .000000008% of the population that thinks its okay to carry automatic weapons over to the capital building and that every white person is on the whole operation and approves of their actions.
BTW DQ: The Cow Jumps Over the River (repeat) The Cow Jumps Over the River
No surprise to see where dax aims his moist pointed anger in all of this. Again, I'll give you full credit for transparency.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
The fact that most if not all of you think this is complicated is the issue. The dehumanization of black and brown people has been happening in this country since white people invaded the continent. The only thing even remotely close to getting people to have broader conversations about this has been civil disobedience. Honestly, at this point it should happen every time. This should have happened when Philando Castile was murdered. When Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond and was arrested without needing to be prodded by the public and media, and was sent to prison for 12 years, there should have been riots too.
Our tolerance of injustice is much much higher than you white people would be willing to accept. Y'all sent armed people to capitol buildings throughout the country because they were forced to eat takeout from Cracker Barrel.
I absolutely think they should riot! the complicated question is can rioting go too far? I don't think they have, but I imagine it's possible.
Nothing short of murder, we all place too much value on stuff. I will say that I prefer this to what happened in Ferguson, leave the small neighborhood businesses alone. However, rage, by definition, doesn't have a governor.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 01:48:40 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Don't even bother. That idiot thinks there's some hotline white people call that sends in the .000000008% of the population that thinks its okay to carry automatic weapons over to the capital building and that every white person is on the whole operation and approves of their actions.
BTW DQ: The Cow Jumps Over the River (repeat) The Cow Jumps Over the River
No surprise to see where dax aims his moist pointed anger in all of this. Again, I'll give you full credit for transparency.
I'm always willing to point out a total nutjob.
When you are saying complete bullshit like "y'all sendin . . . ", but rolling out that BS is 1000% MIR BAU.
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 01:56:01 PM
That's the thing though. On the one hand you say nothing short of murder is too far. On the other hand, you say that they shouldn't go after small neighborhood businesses -- something that's absolutely happened:Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
The fact that most if not all of you think this is complicated is the issue. The dehumanization of black and brown people has been happening in this country since white people invaded the continent. The only thing even remotely close to getting people to have broader conversations about this has been civil disobedience. Honestly, at this point it should happen every time. This should have happened when Philando Castile was murdered. When Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond and was arrested without needing to be prodded by the public and media, and was sent to prison for 12 years, there should have been riots too.
Our tolerance of injustice is much much higher than you white people would be willing to accept. Y'all sent armed people to capitol buildings throughout the country because they were forced to eat takeout from Cracker Barrel.
I absolutely think they should riot! the complicated question is can rioting go too far? I don't think they have, but I imagine it's possible.
Nothing short of murder, we all place too much value on stuff. I will say that I prefer this to what happened in Ferguson, leave the small neighborhood businesses alone. However, rage, by definition, doesn't have a governor.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/
Just trying to figure out if people think all of this rage is good/neutral, or only some of it.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Yours as in all of y'alls. White men are the only people who have the power to change this. Once the power structure in this country gets either sick of this or scared of the response will there be any change to policing. I won't even think about asking for a change in systematic racism, that is too big of an ask at this point.
I'm not saying that you as an individual has any blame here, but you certainly have the ability to be part of a coalition to change what's happening in this country. We don't hire cops, we don't draft and oversee policy. We don't run the unions. We don't run the districts attorney offices. We've been told that taking a knee at sporting events isn't an acceptable form of protest. We've been told that social disobedience isn't an acceptable form of protest.
We have no way to fix this and have been told so. These cops are doing the bidding for white people, enforcing laws made by white people, and answering to white people. They're your cops, not mine.
Put it like this, someone is breaking into your house, do you have to think twice as to whether or not you need to call the cops? I do.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 02:09:14 PM
That's the thing though. On the one hand you say nothing short of murder is too far. On the other hand, you say that they shouldn't go after small neighborhood businesses -- something that's absolutely happened:Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
The fact that most if not all of you think this is complicated is the issue. The dehumanization of black and brown people has been happening in this country since white people invaded the continent. The only thing even remotely close to getting people to have broader conversations about this has been civil disobedience. Honestly, at this point it should happen every time. This should have happened when Philando Castile was murdered. When Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond and was arrested without needing to be prodded by the public and media, and was sent to prison for 12 years, there should have been riots too.
Our tolerance of injustice is much much higher than you white people would be willing to accept. Y'all sent armed people to capitol buildings throughout the country because they were forced to eat takeout from Cracker Barrel.
I absolutely think they should riot! the complicated question is can rioting go too far? I don't think they have, but I imagine it's possible.
Nothing short of murder, we all place too much value on stuff. I will say that I prefer this to what happened in Ferguson, leave the small neighborhood businesses alone. However, rage, by definition, doesn't have a governor.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/
Just trying to figure out if people think all of this rage is good/neutral, or only some of it.
I also qualified that with the sentence after the one you bolded. No, I don't want black and brown owned businesses to burn, but if these people are truly outraged to the point where they have to do this they aren't taking inventory as to who owns what, that isn't what rage is. When there were scores of rebellions in the forming of this country, they didn't take inventory of what businesses were being damaged, that isn't rebellion.
Post by: DQ12 on May 29, 2020, 02:10:51 PM
Fair enough.That's the thing though. On the one hand you say nothing short of murder is too far. On the other hand, you say that they shouldn't go after small neighborhood businesses -- something that's absolutely happened:Yeah it's pretty nuanced and more complicated than the simplified "riots are bad" or "riots are the language of the unheard." Like, the amount of destruction that's happened in Minneapolis is no joke.what have the police, autozone, and target done for that community?I think the damage is far more widespread than police, autozone and target.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/)QuoteElias Usso got an alert at home around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when an alarm went off at his small pharmacy near Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
Then he watched the live security footage on his phone as looters ransacked the Seward Pharmacy shelves, set a small fire in the back and carted out a safe holding prescription drugs. “I saw the whole thing — it was agonizing,” he said Thursday afternoon as workers mopped up floors drenched from sprinklers and boarded up the shattered store windows. “My biggest concern is that my customers won’t be able to get their prescriptions on time. That’s a nightmare for a pharmacist.”
that sucks! I don't like it but I'm also not ready to say the riots shouldn't have happened. It's a complicated moral question
You can pin the root cause of the destruction on the protestors/rioters or the police/system, but the result (destroyed property and the subsequent effect over the next x years) actually sucks for people in that community. Maybe the destruction on economic damage is worth it, because it's definitely gotten people's attention. But still, it's come a pretty sizable cost.
It would be nice if, while they're at it, they went and mumped up a bunch of Minnesota's football facility so Klieman could stop getting his ass kicked by Mr. RTB. That's something I think we can all agree on and requires 0 nuance.
The fact that most if not all of you think this is complicated is the issue. The dehumanization of black and brown people has been happening in this country since white people invaded the continent. The only thing even remotely close to getting people to have broader conversations about this has been civil disobedience. Honestly, at this point it should happen every time. This should have happened when Philando Castile was murdered. When Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond and was arrested without needing to be prodded by the public and media, and was sent to prison for 12 years, there should have been riots too.
Our tolerance of injustice is much much higher than you white people would be willing to accept. Y'all sent armed people to capitol buildings throughout the country because they were forced to eat takeout from Cracker Barrel.
I absolutely think they should riot! the complicated question is can rioting go too far? I don't think they have, but I imagine it's possible.
Nothing short of murder, we all place too much value on stuff. I will say that I prefer this to what happened in Ferguson, leave the small neighborhood businesses alone. However, rage, by definition, doesn't have a governor.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-small-business-owners-pick-up-pieces-after-night-of-destruction/570833292/
Just trying to figure out if people think all of this rage is good/neutral, or only some of it.
I also qualified that with the sentence after the one you bolded. No, I don't want black and brown owned businesses to burn, but if these people are truly outraged to the point where they have to do this they aren't taking inventory as to who owns what, that isn't what rage is. When there were scores of rebellions in the forming of this country, they didn't take inventory of what businesses were being damaged, that isn't rebellion.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 02:13:20 PM
Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us. Did the video get posted here of the cops in Texas pointing 6 guns at a man who is laying down crying, "I'm cooperating, please don't kill me" then those same cops pushing down his 90 year old grandmother trying to shield him from potential bullets? That happened two days after the George Floyd video was made public.
I'd be scared shitless on the daily MIR. It's not something I can even fathom honestly.
https://twitter.com/4TheCulture____/status/1265814101634228225
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 02:15:14 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Don't even bother. That idiot thinks there's some hotline white people call that sends in the .000000008% of the population that thinks its okay to carry automatic weapons over to the capital building and that every white person is on the whole operation and approves of their actions.
BTW DQ: The Cow Jumps Over the River (repeat) The Cow Jumps Over the River
No surprise to see where dax aims his moist pointed anger in all of this. Again, I'll give you full credit for transparency.
I'm always willing to point out a total nutjob.
When you are saying complete bullshit like "y'all sendin . . . ", but rolling out that BS is 1000% MIR BAU.
Are black people in charge of what these cops do, are they answering to us our to your people?
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2020, 02:39:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 03:18:56 PM
My storm troopers?Just for my own understanding, because i'm pretty torn on this, is there any point short of murder where the riot/protest crosses from the morally neutral "language of the unheard" territory and into "ok this is wrong and needs to be stopped"?
Nothing until your storm troopers stop killing us.
Don't even bother. That idiot thinks there's some hotline white people call that sends in the .000000008% of the population that thinks its okay to carry automatic weapons over to the capital building and that every white person is on the whole operation and approves of their actions.
BTW DQ: The Cow Jumps Over the River (repeat) The Cow Jumps Over the River
No surprise to see where dax aims his moist pointed anger in all of this. Again, I'll give you full credit for transparency.
I'm always willing to point out a total nutjob.
When you are saying complete bullshit like "y'all sendin . . . ", but rolling out that BS is 1000% MIR BAU.
Are black people in charge of what these cops do, are they answering to us our to your people?
Where I live black people control every seat of power in the city/county: Mayor, Chief of Police, Sheriff, DA, majority on both city council and county commission.
I started to write a big long response. We have bad people in law enforcement, we need to get them out, I don't know how that's going to be done. The majority of bad cops are equal opportunity assholes, and there are some racists. By acquaintance I knew a lot of cops in North Carolina and with my job I deal regularly with people in law enforcement. I can pick out the power trippers pretty easily. People of every race in this country are experiencing unarmed death by cop and absolutely unnecessary assault by cops. Is it disproportionate? Probably so. How many issues go unreported and undocumented?
The vast majority of white people are disgusted by all of this, and the vast majority of white people are not down with "tactical" culture or self declarative "free men" roaming the streets with automatic weapons. The good cops I know can't stand those guys either, BTW.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 04:07:47 PM
This should help.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704
I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I approve this message...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/04/29/obama-white-house-baltimore-stephanie-rawlings-blake/26585143/
Quote
Obama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House says
President Obama doesn't regret using the term "thug" in describing the violent rioters in Baltimore this week, spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday.
"Whether it's arson or, you know, the looting of a liquor store ... those were thuggish acts," Earnest said.
In discussing the riots Tuesday, Obama assailed the "criminals and thugs who tore up the place," and described them as a distraction from the real issues of police brutality.
Some critics ascribe racial connotations to the word "thug" -- Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake walked back the term earlier this week -- but Obama doesn't agree, officials said.
:bwpopcorn:
Post by: michigancat on May 29, 2020, 04:09:17 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 04:09:59 PM
The riots when these cops are acquitted will be nut(s).
Check with Soros, but they should be right around Halloween.
:buh-bye:
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 29, 2020, 05:23:34 PM
I saw the same thing in Hays. 3 guys beat another guy to death. 2 threatened 1 that they’d kill him if he talked. Later the 2 each threatened each other. Because of the threats all 3 got separate trials. Each claimed they other cause the death. The most any of them got was 4 years.
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
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Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 07:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266523296872501253?s=21
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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 09:02:46 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 09:17:33 PM
That stuff in Atlanta could have gotten worse. Protest going on at the plaza right now and is peaceful so far.This is from 7 minutes ago.
https://twitter.com/mattwsb/status/1266552211900968961?s=21
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 09:35:44 PM
https://twitter.com/chromedaffodils/status/1266545809656594432
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 09:41:19 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 09:44:51 PM
https://twitter.com/inevitable_et/status/1266560564274188289
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 29, 2020, 09:52:15 PM
We’ve got a civil war in the United States, started by the Dems and fortunately I agree with Inevitable_ETSTFU dude.
https://twitter.com/inevitable_et/status/1266560564274188289
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 09:53:46 PM
We’ve got a civil war in the United States, started by the Dems and fortunately I agree with Inevitable_ETSTFU dude.
https://twitter.com/inevitable_et/status/1266560564274188289
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 09:56:03 PM
https://twitter.com/wearethemillies/status/1266261904420335616
Post by: mocat on May 29, 2020, 10:10:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 10:26:50 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 29, 2020, 10:34:01 PM
mod your crap back to your weirdo threads bud
Here’s how it all works...
https://twitter.com/truthhammer888/status/1266561844648394752
Amazing coordination by your team.
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 12:24:28 AM
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 01:44:07 AM
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 01:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1266616480004632576
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 01:46:48 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 01:48:23 AM
Keep the real victims, the journalists, in your T&P's tonight.
https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1266616480004632576
Jesus Christ. What the eff is wrong with people?
Post by: treysolid on May 30, 2020, 02:44:46 AM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4amCfVbA_c[/youtube]
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 05:09:56 AM
https://twitter.com/kylehooten2/status/1266397448395730944
https://twitter.com/sevareidcbsnews/status/1266450019839881217
More details on how it all works. It’s truly amazing the amount of coordination and planning this takes.
https://twitter.com/ali/status/1266638422212513792
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 30, 2020, 06:50:36 AM
Keep the real victims, the journalists, in your T&P's tonight."tackled"
https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1266616480004632576
Post by: steve dave on May 30, 2020, 07:51:54 AM
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 08:58:24 AM
Bookie, you are gullible AF to keep falling for that ridiculous stuff.
That’s rich... I’d say the same about 95% of all of you except I’d change “gullible” to “programmed”.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266636912002912256
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8SwEgT0_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 09:38:28 AM
Hell, even CNN was speaking on the organized instigators last night in the midnight hour when we tuned in to get the view from the left.
https://twitter.com/karluskap/status/1266357686259638272
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 09:51:47 AM
Post by: treysolid on May 30, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
Bookie, you are gullible AF to keep falling for that ridiculous stuff.
That’s rich... I’d say the same about 95% of all of you except I’d change “gullible” to “programmed”.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266636912002912256
did they have antifa-branded fork-lifts that came in and set all those pallets of bricks down?
Post by: treysolid on May 30, 2020, 10:26:56 AM
Damn, Antifa pays it's hourly workers better than every company in America.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 10:45:06 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 10:46:39 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266711223657205763?s=19
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 11:05:59 AM
What's the old man going on about?
How cool his secret service is and how he has more guns behind the wall to really knock protestors out.
Post by: steve dave on May 30, 2020, 11:23:21 AM
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Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:29:12 AM
https://twitter.com/dril/status/264033462795788291Amazing
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Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:43:51 AM
https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1266556854869602310?s=20https://twitter.com/PrinceHAK33M/status/1266711022133542912
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 12:41:28 PM
What if the revolution wasn't televised and cops would just not show up?
Then you'd get everything before LA 92. Hell compared to today, even the coverage of that wasn't great. If you watch the various documentaries on the LA uprising, you'll see the same footage on pretty much all of them.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
What if the revolution wasn't televised and cops would just not show up?
Then you'd get everything before LA 92. Hell compared to today, even the coverage of that wasn't great. If you watch the various documentaries on the LA uprising, you'll see the same footage on pretty much all of them.
So what else can we do because like your example from 30 years ago, this does appear to be working to create chsnge we want to see.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 01:02:20 PM
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I'm guessing this was in response to Keisha Lance Bottoms' speech yesterday. Other than the go vote thing, it was a good speech. It's like she literally forgot her governor purged hundreds of thousands of voters off of the roll.
As far as the vote thing, there's this.
https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1266605004787347456
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 01:04:55 PM
What if the revolution wasn't televised and cops would just not show up?
Then you'd get everything before LA 92. Hell compared to today, even the coverage of that wasn't great. If you watch the various documentaries on the LA uprising, you'll see the same footage on pretty much all of them.
So what else can we do because like your example from 30 years ago, this does appear to be working to create chsnge we want to see.
Dunno, I just pointed out that in the history of the country the revolution being televised is a very new phenomenon.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 01:12:20 PM
What if the revolution wasn't televised and cops would just not show up?
Then you'd get everything before LA 92. Hell compared to today, even the coverage of that wasn't great. If you watch the various documentaries on the LA uprising, you'll see the same footage on pretty much all of them.
So what else can we do because like your example from 30 years ago, this does appear to be working to create chsnge we want to see.
Dunno, I just pointed out that in the history of the country the revolution being televised is a very new phenomenon.
True. It just feels like 50% of the protestors are there for the real reason, 45% jump in to be opportunistic, and 5% just to cause real problems and it drowns the whole message.
Luckily KC's last night was 99.9% peaceful. Couple taggers and a couple people broke windows. A lot of that comes with how well KCPD has handled themselves and are great at not turning up the pressure, which makes me think if cops aren't there at all, would the temperature be turned down even more?
Plaza is closing all tonight and tomorrow though. Tough.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 01:46:31 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 30, 2020, 02:02:06 PM
That’s wild that american racism is being protested in germany.Iran
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Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 02:19:16 PM
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 02:22:29 PM
It's sad to see supposedly humanitarian people circle the wagons and rally around global austerity ghoul George Soros.
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Making fun of you idiots trying to blame all this on gross Soros.
Nobody likes that scum.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
It's sad to see supposedly humanitarian people circle the wagons and rally around global austerity ghoul George Soros.
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Making fun of you idiots trying to blame all this on gross Soros.
Nobody likes that scum.
Substantial members of your movement repeatedly defend and support the man, and have for decades, Phil.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 02:30:06 PM
It's sad to see supposedly humanitarian people circle the wagons and rally around global austerity ghoul George Soros.
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Making fun of you idiots trying to blame all this on gross Soros.
Nobody likes that scum.
Substantial members of your movement repeatedly defend and support the man, and have for decades, Phil.
Wrong.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 02:37:08 PM
It's sad to see supposedly humanitarian people circle the wagons and rally around global austerity ghoul George Soros.
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Making fun of you idiots trying to blame all this on gross Soros.
Nobody likes that scum.
Substantial members of your movement repeatedly defend and support the man, and have for decades, Phil.
Wrong.
We'll take this to another thread, but here's a primer:
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/president-bill-clinton-and-george-soros-speak-during-the-2015-clinton-picture-id490412836)
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Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 03:05:12 PM
Post by: 8manpick on May 30, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1266788305720324096weird that Chicago is so low, given that it is a requirement to live in the city to be on the force
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 03:25:16 PM
Keep the real victims, the journalists, in your T&P's tonight.On this theme, journalists are VERY concerned that Trump falsely said DC police weren't helping with protest control last night
https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1266616480004632576
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1266771305900187648
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1266771373835407367
Also this lol
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1266755788082761729
Post by: DQ12 on May 30, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
Heros
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 03:34:47 PM
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 04:05:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 04:52:17 PM
It's sad to see supposedly humanitarian people circle the wagons and rally around global austerity ghoul George Soros.
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Making fun of you idiots trying to blame all this on gross Soros.
Nobody likes that scum.
Scum? I don't have an issue with George Soros, scum seems very harsh.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2020, 04:53:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1266788305720324096weird that Chicago is so low, given that it is a requirement to live in the city to be on the force
I'd assume they have a lot of old cops on that force.
Post by: catastrophe on May 30, 2020, 05:03:51 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 05:44:03 PM
It's sad to see supposedly humanitarian people circle the wagons and rally around global austerity ghoul George Soros.
George Soros: Betting big against your welfare and prosperity
Making fun of you idiots trying to blame all this on gross Soros.
Nobody likes that scum.
Scum? I don't have an issue with George Soros, scum seems very harsh.
I was just trying to shut dax up, I have no idea what that guy does except make people mob up cities with riots.
Post by: LickNeckey on May 30, 2020, 05:53:42 PM
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 06:00:42 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
Imagine being such a simpleton that every possible avenue of discourse is culminated with blaming Obama, _____ Clinton, or Soros.
Imagine being such a mush brained idiot that you circle the wagons to support a man who literally bets billions of dollars against the prosperity and good will for entire countries.
Imagine actually believing the story of a man who literally worked side-by-side with the Nazi's.
Post by: Spracne on May 30, 2020, 06:25:59 PM
...when he was 9, or???Imagine being such a simpleton that every possible avenue of discourse is culminated with blaming Obama, _____ Clinton, or Soros.
Imagine being such a mush brained idiot that you circle the wagons to support a man who literally bets billions of dollars against the prosperity and good will for entire countries.
Imagine actually believing the story of a man who literally worked side-by-side with the Nazi's.
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 06:29:21 PM
:horrorsurprise:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 06:29:40 PM
...when he was 9, or???Imagine being such a simpleton that every possible avenue of discourse is culminated with blaming Obama, _____ Clinton, or Soros.
Imagine being such a mush brained idiot that you circle the wagons to support a man who literally bets billions of dollars against the prosperity and good will for entire countries.
Imagine actually believing the story of a man who literally worked side-by-side with the Nazi's.
He was a teenager, and it was 1944, more than ample evidence of who the Nazi's were and what they were about.
But worse, the man is an austerity ghoul who has made a fortune on despair . . . so it's no wonder Useful Idiots love the guy.
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 30, 2020, 06:34:07 PM
OK, so he was a 13 or 14 year old boy by the end of the war in Nazi occupied Hungary. He would have been 9 when the war started....when he was 9, or???Imagine being such a simpleton that every possible avenue of discourse is culminated with blaming Obama, _____ Clinton, or Soros.
Imagine being such a mush brained idiot that you circle the wagons to support a man who literally bets billions of dollars against the prosperity and good will for entire countries.
Imagine actually believing the story of a man who literally worked side-by-side with the Nazi's.
He was a teenager, and it was 1944, more than ample evidence of who the Nazi's were and what they were about.
But worse, the man is an austerity ghoul who has made a fortune on despair . . . so it's no wonder Useful Idiots love the guy.
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 06:42:36 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 06:50:09 PM
https://twitter.com/sun_q_tzu/status/1266877861190909952
Post by: fun muffin on May 30, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 07:17:34 PM
I get people love conspiracy theories but damn.
If there is someone organizing people to make these protests violent throw them the eff in jail and charge them with whatever terrorism law we passed after 9/11, this should be a common ground idea.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
So all these protestors are paid but when arrested don't give up the name of their handlers? Come on guys. Nobody is keeping quiet for 20 bucks an hour.
I get people love conspiracy theories but damn.
If there is someone organizing people to make these protests violent throw them the eff in jail and charge them with whatever terrorism law we passed after 9/11, this should be a common ground idea.
Remember all that contact tracing that was enacted... it’s getting put to use on the arrestees.
Also, don’t think for a second our military intelligence doesn’t have access to the comms that link Soros to ANTIFA and ANTIFA to the organized arson & destruction. GMAFB
I hope all the lib-bots are happy now... y’all got what you wanted.
https://twitter.com/majorpatriot/status/1266882004173406209
Too late, bitch. Pentagon has already enacted the Insurrection Act of 1807 and Armed Forces have been deployed.
Post by: CHONGS on May 30, 2020, 07:32:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
So all these protestors are paid but when arrested don't give up the name of their handlers? Come on guys. Nobody is keeping quiet for 20 bucks an hour.
I get people love conspiracy theories but damn.
If there is someone organizing people to make these protests violent throw them the eff in jail and charge them with whatever terrorism law we passed after 9/11, this should be a common ground idea.
Remember all that contact tracing that was enacted... it’s getting put to use on the arrestees.
Also, don’t think for a second our military intelligence doesn’t have access to the comms that link Soros to ANTIFA and ANTIFA to the organized arson & destruction. GMAFB
I hope all the lib-bots are happy now... y’all got what you wanted.
https://twitter.com/majorpatriot/status/1266882004173406209
Too late, bitch. Pentagon has already enacted the Insurrection Act of 1807 and Armed Forces have been deployed.
So all this and nobody can pin down the person responsible for organizing and paying for protestors? Ever considered people are just over being killed by cops for no reason?
Post by: sys on May 30, 2020, 07:37:07 PM
Post by: DQ12 on May 30, 2020, 07:37:48 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 07:39:46 PM
lol at the "paid protestors" narrative.
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It's very very dumb
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 07:42:25 PM
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/George_Soros
:lol: :thumbs:
Every 4-6 months, this place has me googling who Soros is.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 30, 2020, 07:46:24 PM
blaming a jewish child for surviving the nazi occupation of his country is one of the most twisted, mumped up mental contortions imaginable.
It's so widespread though. Really disgusting
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 07:48:27 PM
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/George_Soros
:lol: :thumbs:
Every 4-6 months, this place has me googling who Soros is.
Literally only place I've heard that name unless we are talking overpriced home audio systems
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
lol at the "paid protestors" narrative.
So all these people are flying and busing in to these cities to burn crap to the ground?! GMAFB
It was reported yesterday that literally everyone arrested in Minneapolis the first day of rioting was from out of state.
:dubious:
Post by: DQ12 on May 30, 2020, 08:18:56 PM
Hey think what you want, Book. I'm not stopping you.lol at the "paid protestors" narrative.
So all these people are flying and busing in to these cities to burn crap to the ground?! GMAFB
It was reported yesterday that literally everyone arrested in Minneapolis the first day of rioting was from out of state.
:dubious:
Post by: Spracne on May 30, 2020, 08:24:22 PM
Post by: nicname on May 30, 2020, 08:31:48 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
https://twitter.com/qanonnotables/status/1266904816149647360
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 08:38:43 PM
I do think that there are riot tourists who glom on to this stuff, yes.
Maybe a unbelievably minuscule number of people, but no rough ridin' way there’s enough of that fringe element anywhere to organize and do this on a nationwide scale in 3 days.
C’mon dude, apply just a smidgen of common sense.
Post by: DQ12 on May 30, 2020, 08:41:52 PM
I don't even get what the logic is. So there's some cabal that secretly solicits and pays tends of thousands of people across country to mobilize to do activities ranging from marching to the commission of arson? Are these thousands of solicitations on the dark web or where do I find them?I do think that there are riot tourists who glom on to this stuff, yes.
Maybe a unbelievably minuscule number of people, but no rough ridin' way there’s enough of that fringe element anywhere to organize and do this on a nationwide scale in 3 days.
C’mon dude, apply just a smidgen of common sense.
I'm interested in seeing the rates for that kind of dangerous work.
Post by: sys on May 30, 2020, 08:44:18 PM
https://twitter.com/robgillezeau/status/1266835644111716353
Post by: steve dave on May 30, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ethanjsomers/status/1266915031737700352
https://twitter.com/gryking/status/1266913191432503301
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 09:18:34 PM
I don't even get what the logic is. So there's some cabal that secretly solicits and pays tends of thousands of people across country to mobilize to do activities ranging from marching to the commission of arson? Are these thousands of solicitations on the dark web or where do I find them?I do think that there are riot tourists who glom on to this stuff, yes.
Maybe a unbelievably minuscule number of people, but no rough ridin' way there’s enough of that fringe element anywhere to organize and do this on a nationwide scale in 3 days.
C’mon dude, apply just a smidgen of common sense.
I'm interested in seeing the rates for that kind of dangerous work.
It’s not “tens of thousands”... it’s hundreds and maybe thousands. Most of these protests wouldn’t turn this destructive and violent without them.
They go to the front lines and start the violence, the arson and destruction and incite the riots. It’s not that difficult to understand really. My understanding is that it’s like $20/hr plus expenses and there’s more pay for the “recruitment” sort of like a pyramid scheme.
On another note, who the hell brings a kid to a riot?!? These people are full on idiots
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1266908515748044800
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 30, 2020, 09:36:22 PM
https://twitter.com/fox13/status/1266909126396801024?s=21
Post by: treysolid on May 30, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
I don't even get what the logic is. So there's some cabal that secretly solicits and pays tends of thousands of people across country to mobilize to do activities ranging from marching to the commission of arson? Are these thousands of solicitations on the dark web or where do I find them?I do think that there are riot tourists who glom on to this stuff, yes.
Maybe a unbelievably minuscule number of people, but no rough ridin' way there’s enough of that fringe element anywhere to organize and do this on a nationwide scale in 3 days.
C’mon dude, apply just a smidgen of common sense.
I'm interested in seeing the rates for that kind of dangerous work.
It’s not “tens of thousands”... it’s hundreds and maybe thousands. Most of these protests wouldn’t turn this destructive and violent without them.
They go to the front lines and start the violence, the arson and destruction and incite the riots. It’s not that difficult to understand really. My understanding is that it’s like $20/hr plus expenses and there’s more pay for the “recruitment” sort of like a pyramid scheme.
On another note, who the hell brings a kid to a riot?!? These people are full on idiots
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1266908515748044800
That video doesn't show what you want it to show, Bookie.
Post by: treysolid on May 30, 2020, 09:42:15 PM
That station came back with a “clarification” after they saw the video. It’s one of the best clarifications of all time. “Well actually he fired an arrow into the crowd. That might actually be what lead to the beaten face you saw.”
https://twitter.com/fox13/status/1266909126396801024?s=21
The fact that he was completely oblivious to the fact that there were probably dozens of camera phones recording him and then straight-up lied during the interview as to what he was doing that led to that epic beatdown is such Big Boomer Energy (BBE™).
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 30, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 30, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
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Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 10:10:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266916104951214080
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 10:13:40 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 30, 2020, 10:32:39 PM
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 30, 2020, 10:42:10 PM
Journalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 30, 2020, 10:46:31 PM
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 10:52:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BrandiKruse/status/1266924674107109377
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1266932351201710080
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 11:06:24 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 30, 2020, 11:09:36 PM
Journalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
Incredibly sad but It's making Michigancat so happy.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 11:10:27 PM
Journalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
Incredibly sad but It's making Michigancat so happy.
Truth
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 11:12:56 PM
Protest Mask Wearing: Solid B
No protester declared a Grandma/Grandpa killer as of yet . . . TBD
Post by: Phil Titola on May 30, 2020, 11:19:35 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:23:10 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:28:17 PM
Clearly you have the entire storyJournalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
https://twitter.com/uncookednoodle/status/1266937554663809026
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:30:18 PM
Dude kinda went Leroy Jenkins with a machete, I mean crap. He's lucky those people didn't have guns or he would really be deadClearly you have the entire storyJournalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
https://twitter.com/uncookednoodle/status/1266937554663809026
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1266948486848749570
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 11:33:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:37:08 PM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 11:38:07 PM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
That's really gotta piss you off, cRusty.
Post by: Trim on May 30, 2020, 11:41:29 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 30, 2020, 11:43:47 PM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Wow..hope this doesn't get you all :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:) because he'll make it.
Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2020, 11:55:02 PM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Wow..hope this doesn't get you all :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:) because he'll make it.
I'm glad he will live! A good ass beating for attacking people with a machete seems like appropriate justice.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2020, 11:59:06 PM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Wow..hope this doesn't get you all :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:) because he'll make it.
I'm glad he will live! A good ass beating for attacking people with a machete seems like appropriate justice.
Bless those looters (cRusty)
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 12:01:37 AM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Wow..hope this doesn't get you all :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:) because he'll make it.
I'm glad he will live! A good ass beating for attacking people with a machete seems like appropriate justice.
Bless those looters (cRusty)
Do you really think that guy was a "shop owner"? LOL
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 12:03:22 AM
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUnion/status/1266941419522048000
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 12:04:54 AM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Wow..hope this doesn't get you all :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:) because he'll make it.
I'm glad he will live! A good ass beating for attacking people with a machete seems like appropriate justice.
Bless those looters (cRusty)
Do you really think that guy was a "shop owner"? LOL
I don't know, I'm just happy to know people like you hanging out in your little San Fran suburban enclave condone looting and violence. Easy to cheerlead while you're watching it on the 70 inch big screen on the couch I suppose. Easy run to the fridge.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 12:05:02 AM
Bad look, cRustyDude is in stable condition, hell be fine.
https://twitter.com/BlakeFox4News/status/1266945121267912709
Wow..hope this doesn't get you all :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:) because he'll make it.
I'm glad he will live! A good ass beating for attacking people with a machete seems like appropriate justice.
Bless those looters (cRusty)
Yes, thank you for that rational thinking. It would be nice if you were able to be in a position where you could decide appropriate punishments for these nasty business owners.
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 12:06:06 AM
Post by: DQ12 on May 31, 2020, 12:08:45 AM
https://twitter.com/brndvx/status/1266931827773751296Unclear where they may have gotten that...
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 12:10:08 AM
https://twitter.com/brndvx/status/1266931827773751296
$800 worth of designer looting gear and a cheesecake!!
eff the Police, tho!
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 12:12:22 AM
https://twitter.com/brndvx/status/1266931827773751296Unclear where they may have gotten that...
:lol:
:lol:
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2020, 12:13:04 AM
https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1266943150142238725
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Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 12:15:06 AM
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 12:16:17 AM
https://twitter.com/brndvx/status/1266931827773751296
$800 worth of designer looting gear and a cheesecake!!
eff the Police, tho!
Funny, I was just asking my friend what exactly these dorks are gonna do with banana republic clothes and west elm accent furniture, but cheesecake is universal.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 12:17:23 AM
Good news riot thread
https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1266943150142238725
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this is a great opportunity to destroy every confederate monument in the country. go to stone mountain, and dynamite that bitch. there aren't enough tiki torches in the world to mount an adequate challenge.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 12:20:52 AM
https://twitter.com/brndvx/status/1266931827773751296
$800 worth of designer looting gear and a cheesecake!!
eff the Police, tho!
Funny, I was just asking my friend what exactly these dorks are gonna do with banana republic clothes and west elm accent furniture, but cheesecake is universal.
I'm gonna go grab a cheesecake, and god dammit, they better not burn my favorite latte place down!
FTP, tho!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 12:44:06 AM
https://twitter.com/sam_vinograd/status/1266888143447511043?s=20
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 12:57:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 01:04:31 AM
https://twitter.com/proverbsfour23/status/1266949312396660737
The inner suburban cRusty's of the world stepped out on their postage stamp front lawns and shook their fists towards city hall while sipping some top shelf booze drinks.
#FTP
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 01:20:18 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 01:25:08 AM
Dax’s takeaways from posts is the most interesting Rorschach test.
I just hope the vast majority of the riot cheerleaders are able to get their toasted bagels with a schmear of avocado tomorrow morning.
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 02:52:00 AM
Dax’s takeaways from posts is the most interesting Rorschach test.
I just hope the vast majority of the riot cheerleaders are able to get their toasted bagels with a schmear of avocado tomorrow morning.
:cry:
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 06:56:47 AM
Dax’s takeaways from posts is the most interesting Rorschach test.
I just hope the vast majority of the riot cheerleaders are able to get their toasted bagels with a schmear of avocado tomorrow morning.
Not looking good...
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1266974618218377216
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2020, 07:56:33 AM
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 08:25:22 AM
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lmao at using Wikipedia (ie “the new snopes”) as a source for political history :lol:
https://twitter.com/real_talk_news/status/1267082440197246977
This should say “Blue checks & the rubes at goEMAW”
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2020, 08:46:52 AM
https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1267085795925659650That’s wild that american racism is being protested in germany.Iran
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Post by: 8manpick on May 31, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gtr02f/police_actively_seeking_out_fights_compilation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Post by: Phil Titola on May 31, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 10:56:26 AM
Last night hurt. It needs to happen but it hurts. Let's hope it leads to real change.
lmao
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
Dude kinda went Leroy Jenkins with a machete, I mean crap. He's lucky those people didn't have guns or he would really be deadClearly you have the entire storyJournalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
https://twitter.com/uncookednoodle/status/1266937554663809026
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1266948486848749570
Checkmate, muthafukka :dubious:
https://twitter.com/cassandrarules/status/1266991733017108480
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 11:11:58 AM
In a lot of the video I saw last night it was always some white dude(s) causing all the trouble.Dax’s takeaways from posts is the most interesting Rorschach test.
I just hope the vast majority of the riot cheerleaders are able to get their toasted bagels with a schmear of avocado tomorrow morning.
Not looking good...
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1266974618218377216
Their enablers will talk it over bodega style free range breakfast burritos and endless cups of Kopi Luwak coffee this morning.
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
https://twitter.com/crazy_bulgarian/status/1267089264032038913https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1267085795925659650That’s wild that american racism is being protested in germany.Iran
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Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 11:17:19 AM
You are so easily manipulatedDude kinda went Leroy Jenkins with a machete, I mean crap. He's lucky those people didn't have guns or he would really be deadClearly you have the entire storyJournalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
https://twitter.com/uncookednoodle/status/1266937554663809026
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1266948486848749570
Checkmate, muthafukka :dubious:
https://twitter.com/cassandrarules/status/1266991733017108480
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
You are so easily manipulated
Full circle, think about the loons who can eventually land in criminal jury trials of racist cops (when these matters even get to that stage).
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 11:28:25 AM
You are so easily manipulatedDude kinda went Leroy Jenkins with a machete, I mean crap. He's lucky those people didn't have guns or he would really be deadClearly you have the entire storyJournalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
https://twitter.com/uncookednoodle/status/1266937554663809026
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1266948486848749570
Checkmate, muthafukka :dubious:
https://twitter.com/cassandrarules/status/1266991733017108480
Sorry cRusty... He lived and will have a full recovery.
https://districtherald.com/dallas-riot-mob-victim-charles-shoultz-i-was-trying-to-protect-a-bar-i-love/
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
You are so easily manipulatedDude kinda went Leroy Jenkins with a machete, I mean crap. He's lucky those people didn't have guns or he would really be deadClearly you have the entire storyJournalists just need to stay home irl
Agreed. Meanwhile in Dallas, it looks like they killed this dude.
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1266925493384736769
https://twitter.com/uncookednoodle/status/1266937554663809026
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1266948486848749570
Checkmate, muthafukka :dubious:
https://twitter.com/cassandrarules/status/1266991733017108480
Sorry cRusty... He lived and will have a full recovery.
https://districtherald.com/dallas-riot-mob-victim-charles-shoultz-i-was-trying-to-protect-a-bar-i-love/
protecting a bar he loves?? that's the stupidest rough ridin' thing i've ever heard. hopefully he can still find a way to die before he has a chance to procreate.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: chum1 on May 31, 2020, 12:17:52 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 12:21:43 PM
There’s gonna be a lot of tears when the liberal house of cards comes tumbling down.
https://twitter.com/inevitable_et/status/1267132824395460609
Engaging in war or aiding and abetting the enemy of the US is a war crime and High Treason-
Skip civilian courts
Military courts
of which the penalty is ?
___________ (5 letters)
:gocho:
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2020, 12:23:50 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2020, 12:24:16 PM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1267143249887715328
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Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 12:25:13 PM
Post by: mods? on May 31, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
I am =MODS=!
I have no towels for today, but perhaps for tomorrow. Normally plush and fulls of fluff I think my mangoes never be tough.
Soch fun.
Goodbye.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
From what I've gathered it's what you seem to relate to best? Actually I was just trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 12:37:06 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
From what I've gathered it's what you seem to relate to best? Actually I was just trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was.
You're not actually saying anything. Are you struggling with what parts you can say to yourself and what you can say out loud?
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 01:03:49 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
From what I've gathered it's what you seem to relate to best? Actually I was just trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was.
You're not actually saying anything. Are you struggling with what parts you can say to yourself and what you can say out loud?
Was this your attempt at a slam? I guess I need to be more specific because you have comprehension issues? Here you go; You judging and thinking you know someone and then saying he should have been hurt worse is ridiculous. Hope this helps.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
These rough ridin' goobers
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 01:32:45 PM
https://twitter.com/AramShabanian/status/1266875523369562112
These rough ridin' goobers
The cop who got up and just instinctively shot deserves to fall off the truck at least 50 more times.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 01:43:04 PM
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Post by: Spracne on May 31, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
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lmao at using Wikipedia (ie “the new snopes”) as a source for political history :lol:
https://twitter.com/real_talk_news/status/1267082440197246977
This should say “Blue checks & the rubes at goEMAW”
no no. You don't get to call anyone rube.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 01:47:40 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 01:51:42 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Post by: Stevesie60 on May 31, 2020, 01:56:02 PM
I am not claiming that all cops are like this. But dax and bqqkie, this is one of many examples. Do you agree with these tactics? Should there be any consequences for these cops' actions?
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 01:58:12 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
That's funny because he's wearing the uniform of team law and order. Hmmm...something to think about...
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 01:59:53 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
That man's life is only worth as much as George Floyd's
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 02:04:56 PM
https://twitter.com/SamFelicita1/status/1267142801281736704?s=20
I am not claiming that all cops are like this. But dax and bqqkie, this is one of many examples. Do you agree with these tactics? Should there be any consequences for these cops' actions?
Good question. I am of the belief that 90-95% of LEOs are good, honest hardworking people much like you and I. With that in mind, I totally agree that there is a racist POS element that exists and those who abuse their power.
Normally speaking, the behavior in that video is abhorrent. When we consider that there had already been 3-4 days of rioting in Minneapolis (where I believe that was filmed), they had enacted an 8pm curfew (and judging by the daylighting, it’s after 8pm), my question becomes this... How culpable are those sitting in protest of those who’ve shown up to protect them and their community?
It appears to me that some want their cake and to eat it too.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
https://twitter.com/SamFelicita1/status/1267142801281736704?s=20
I am not claiming that all cops are like this. But dax and bqqkie, this is one of many examples. Do you agree with these tactics? Should there be any consequences for these cops' actions?
Good question. I am of the belief that 90-95% of LEOs are good, honest hardworking people much like you and I. With that in mind, I totally agree that there is a racist POS element that exists and those who abuse their power.
Normally speaking, the behavior in that video is abhorrent. When we consider that there had already been 3-4 days of rioting in Minneapolis (where I believe that was filmed), they had enacted an 8pm curfew (and judging by the daylighting, it’s after 8pm), my question becomes this... How culpable are those sitting in protest of those who’ve shown up to protect them and their community?
It appears to me that some want their cake and to eat it too.
What about the curfew in Omaha?
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 02:12:03 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 02:20:02 PM
https://twitter.com/SamFelicita1/status/1267142801281736704?s=20
I am not claiming that all cops are like this. But dax and bqqkie, this is one of many examples. Do you agree with these tactics? Should there be any consequences for these cops' actions?
Good question. I am of the belief that 90-95% of LEOs are good, honest hardworking people much like you and I. With that in mind, I totally agree that there is a racist POS element that exists and those who abuse their power.
Normally speaking, the behavior in that video is abhorrent. When we consider that there had already been 3-4 days of rioting in Minneapolis (where I believe that was filmed), they had enacted an 8pm curfew (and judging by the daylighting, it’s after 8pm), my question becomes this... How culpable are those sitting in protest of those who’ve shown up to protect them and their community?
It appears to me that some want their cake and to eat it too.
I would also agree that the majority of LEOs are good people. But the system is corrupt and broken, because it forces the good cops to protect and defend the bad ones. That's why the WHOLE system needs to dismantled. If some good cops find themselves on the wrong side of that equation, so be it.
Post by: Stevesie60 on May 31, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
That's awful. I hope they find and try whoever is responsible.
Post by: DQ12 on May 31, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 31, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2020, 02:31:57 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 02:34:15 PM
Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Right! Maybe they'll catch him/her/they after they riot a couple of more days and cause more bedlam. Sweet!!
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 02:34:46 PM
Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Yeah like what are people even protesting now?
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
https://twitter.com/LaborOrganizer/status/1266923405200236544
very true
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Right! Maybe they'll catch him/her/they after they riot a couple of more days and cause more bedlam. Sweet!!
If the police captain and the rest of the department had done their jobs properly and arrested Chauvin et al. immediately, there wouldn't have been any riots. Forehead.
Post by: Stevesie60 on May 31, 2020, 02:40:01 PM
Post by: DQ12 on May 31, 2020, 02:42:42 PM
Generational rage at crimes committed by cops that disproportionately victimized black people and very rarely got punished. At least that’s my understand and I’d say that’s absolutely 100% a worthy cause.Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Yeah like what are people even protesting now?
If cops consistently get charged for their crimes, I’d think that would go a long ways toward a solution. But I can’t pretend to speak for the protestors.
Post by: kim carnes on May 31, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
Generational rage at crimes committed by cops that disproportionately victimized black people and very rarely got punished. At least that’s my understand and I’d say that’s absolutely 100% a worthy cause.Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Yeah like what are people even protesting now?
If cops consistently get charged for their crimes, I’d think that would go a long ways toward a solution. But I can’t pretend to speak for the protestors.
The American police force is what happens when you allow an organized labor group to make demands unchecked for decades.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 03:25:01 PM
Generational rage at crimes committed by cops that disproportionately victimized black people and very rarely got punished. At least that’s my understand and I’d say that’s absolutely 100% a worthy cause.Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Yeah like what are people even protesting now?
If cops consistently get charged for their crimes, I’d think that would go a long ways toward a solution. But I can’t pretend to speak for the protestors.
The American police force is what happens when you allow an organized labor group to make demands unchecked for decades.
There's nothing wrong with organized labor, but when the employees AND the employer are both in the union it turns into more of a rapey, racist, toxic fraternity
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 03:37:32 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
From what I've gathered it's what you seem to relate to best? Actually I was just trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was.
You're not actually saying anything. Are you struggling with what parts you can say to yourself and what you can say out loud?
Was this your attempt at a slam? I guess I need to be more specific because you have comprehension issues? Here you go; You judging and thinking you know someone and then saying he should have been hurt worse is ridiculous. Hope this helps.
When I want to "slam" you, there will be no ambiguity about it.
Thinking I know someone? What? I read his words about the stupid crap he pulled, and I definitely judged him, feel good about it too. He tried to cut a kid, riding a skateboard, with a sword/machete, trying to protect a bar during a riot. Yes, he deserved far more than he got, they should have made sure he wasn't able to procreate, he's a dipshit of bqqie levels. LOL at you thinking I give two shits about some weird all lives matter rando on the internet judging me. I don't give a eff about you, or how bad of a person you think I am.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 03:45:10 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Wanna play a game of people being prosecuted for doing shitty things to cops compared to cops being prosecuted for doing shitty things to people? I'll win, wanna play?
Post by: DQ12 on May 31, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
Keep reading.Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Wanna play a game of people being prosecuted for doing shitty things to cops compared to cops being prosecuted for doing shitty things to people? I'll win, wanna play?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
https://twitter.com/SamFelicita1/status/1267142801281736704?s=20What? Dude when we’re jousting about the dirty racist South one of my little jabs is to ask if it still looks like a cop convention anytime a black man has the audacity to cross the state line into Leawood, PV or any of the White flight burbs in KC.
I am not claiming that all cops are like this. But dax and bqqkie, this is one of many examples. Do you agree with these tactics? Should there be any consequences for these cops' actions?
So that should tell you everything you need to know about what I think about the bullshit tactics of cops. Right now I’m asking why TF the other 3 cops in MSP haven’t been charged yet.
There’s plenty of real criminals to go get. A few years back I went to a BofA ATM got cash pulled into a drive thru and they told me the $20 I just took out of the ATM at one of the biggest banks in the world was counterfeit. I explained that bill was still warm from being in that machine right across the street. They took it. Now we’re callin cops because a shitty little pen says a bill is counterfeit? Bullshit.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 04:13:16 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 04:34:57 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
I don't think that's a game you want to play either. The French Revolution required blood. The American revolution required blood. The end of Apartheid required blood. Those in power do not freely hand the keys over. It costs something.
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 04:39:59 PM
https://twitter.com/sassygravy/status/1267133058374926338
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
I don't think that's a game you want to play either. The French Revolution required blood. The American revolution required blood. The end of Apartheid required blood. Those in power do not freely hand the keys over. It costs something.
Actually it is a game I'd want to play. You really want to compare this to the French or American Revolution? And you're all ready to arm yourself up for the cause?
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 04:49:20 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 04:56:39 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
I don't think that's a game you want to play either. The French Revolution required blood. The American revolution required blood. The end of Apartheid required blood. Those in power do not freely hand the keys over. It costs something.
Actually it is a game I'd want to play. You really want to compare this to the French or American Revolution? And you're all ready to arm yourself up for the cause?
Im not going to harshly judge those who see violence as a useful tool to effect change...bc violence IS a useful tool to effect change. History has shown us as much.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 05:10:21 PM
Post by: fun muffin on May 31, 2020, 05:14:58 PM
This is really hard to watch.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 05:15:20 PM
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1267185493176877057?s=21
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 05:26:35 PM
SMDH
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 06:15:50 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
From what I've gathered it's what you seem to relate to best? Actually I was just trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was.
You're not actually saying anything. Are you struggling with what parts you can say to yourself and what you can say out loud?
Was this your attempt at a slam? I guess I need to be more specific because you have comprehension issues? Here you go; You judging and thinking you know someone and then saying he should have been hurt worse is ridiculous. Hope this helps.
When I want to "slam" you, there will be no ambiguity about it.
Thinking I know someone? What? I read his words about the stupid crap he pulled, and I definitely judged him, feel good about it too. He tried to cut a kid, riding a skateboard, with a sword/machete, trying to protect a bar during a riot. Yes, he deserved far more than he got, they should have made sure he wasn't able to procreate, he's a dipshit of bqqie levels. LOL at you thinking I give two shits about some weird all lives matter rando on the internet judging me. I don't give a eff about you, or how bad of a person you think I am.
Do ya owe any rent for that place I occupy at the top of your mind? Lemme know.
Meanwhile, I hope you libs are happy with the situation your leaders have created for good hardworking small business owners. But, hey, keep working for the man, cashing those bi-weekly salary checks and hoping for handouts.
https://twitter.com/techno_fog/status/1267219793737809931
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Daughter said they tore up small biz and locally own restaurant(s). Knowing the area, almost assuredly most businesses are hardcore lib owned/minority/female owned.
Post by: kim carnes on May 31, 2020, 06:29:21 PM
Generational rage at crimes committed by cops that disproportionately victimized black people and very rarely got punished. At least that’s my understand and I’d say that’s absolutely 100% a worthy cause.Yes! Like we did with Chauvin!It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I think that is wrong and the shooter(s) should be prosecuted!
Yeah like what are people even protesting now?
If cops consistently get charged for their crimes, I’d think that would go a long ways toward a solution. But I can’t pretend to speak for the protestors.
The American police force is what happens when you allow an organized labor group to make demands unchecked for decades.
There's nothing wrong with organized labor, but when the employees AND the employer are both in the union it turns into more of a rapey, racist, toxic fraternity
When u allow organized labor to deviate from anything but their pay you’re opening yourself to what we see today. They’ve negotiated all kinds of crap and here we are.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2020, 06:50:46 PM
Jesus eff
https://twitter.com/TheStolenBeer/status/1267093969441370113
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
^^^Yikes
Jesus eff
https://twitter.com/TheStolenBeer/status/1267093969441370113
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 06:55:13 PM
Hopefully he’s one of the centerpieces of the Federal Civil Rights investigation.
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
Russians . . . Again
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1267185493176877057?s=21
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
Thanks Bucket, I’m fully aware that Vlad Putin has used Useful Idiot Nation from the very tippy top all the way down to the rank and file (like you) to propagate his disinformation and delegitimization campaign.Russians . . . Again
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1267185493176877057?s=21
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook
Now your presidential nominee is bailing them out of jail, apparently.
Now the presumptive leaders of your movement, rather than accepting their abject failure in MPLS, are once again trying to blame the Russians.
Disgraceful
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2020, 07:06:56 PM
Except we’re the ones with the keys in this scenario. The riots and destruction of property are wrong, but if you’re an “ends justify the means” person you could certainly make an argument for it.It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
I don't think that's a game you want to play either. The French Revolution required blood. The American revolution required blood. The end of Apartheid required blood. Those in power do not freely hand the keys over. It costs something.
What needs to change is leadership in our justice system, many of whom are elected officials. Unfortunately, property destruction might be what it takes for the average voter to actually pay attention to the issues.
The only thing we can say for sure at this point is that a lot of peaceful protests over multiple decades have been wildly unsuccessful.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 07:16:52 PM
Except we’re the ones with the keys in this scenario. The riots and destruction of property are wrong, but if you’re an “ends justify the means” person you could certainly make an argument for it.It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
I don't think that's a game you want to play either. The French Revolution required blood. The American revolution required blood. The end of Apartheid required blood. Those in power do not freely hand the keys over. It costs something.
What needs to change is leadership in our justice system, many of whom are elected officials. Unfortunately, property destruction might be what it takes for the average voter to actually pay attention to the issues.
The only thing we can say for sure at this point is that a lot of peaceful protests over multiple decades have been wildly unsuccessful.
Not sure "we're" the ones with the keys? I would agree with much of what you said otherwise.
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2020, 07:24:54 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 07:29:39 PM
You vote on plenty of law enforcement positions, including sheriff and DA where I live at least.Mayor, city council, DA, sheriff, county commission, gub, attorney general
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
Are you familiar with the history of this country, hell of the world? If people in the position of power were interested in change and reform, it would have happened already. Honestly, the last night I was starting to waver about how I felt when I saw what was happening in LA, but seeing all of these videos of cops in this midst of this, behaving like thugs who know there are no repercussions for their actions, I've swung to the extreme. I want fires, I want violence, I want bloodshed. I want whatever is needed to make people realize that sweeping change is essential, not recommended or suggested. What has happened so far has clearly had no effect. We've gotten no public arrests of all of these cops assaulting citizens.
The problem is the killing of black people is a distraction. It is what happens when their everyday behavior of brutality and abuses of power take it one step farther. Something extreme has to happen to make you all listen, none of this crap is new nor are the grievances of the behavior.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 07:36:21 PM
I think there can be something between murdering cops and candlelight vigils that can be pretty effective. Like I can see politicians around the country right now being like, "hey, maybe the next time a cop murders someone, my downtown might burn to the ground" and maybe do something to prevent the first thing from happening.
I have no faith of this coming close to happening if they can't even arrest these dudes for kicking people in the face or shooting paint cans on people sitting on their porch. Has any elected official even publicly said they will do anything about the scores of brutality we're seen on camera?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 07:39:12 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
I don't think that's a game you want to play either. The French Revolution required blood. The American revolution required blood. The end of Apartheid required blood. Those in power do not freely hand the keys over. It costs something.
Actually it is a game I'd want to play. You really want to compare this to the French or American Revolution? And you're all ready to arm yourself up for the cause?
I'll happily play. What do you see as the difference between what is being asked for here and the American Revolution?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2020, 07:54:03 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 07:56:57 PM
we have set up our electoral system so that the vast majority of votes don't matter. we gerrymander, we purge voter rolls, and we make it as inconvenient as possible for poor people/poor people of color to vote. PLUS, actually having the time to properly research the best sheriffs, judges, and other (way, waaay-)down ballot candidates (when they aren't running rough ridin' unopposed) is a luxury that most poor and working class people of color simply DO NOT HAVE.
get the eff out of here with that bullshit.
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 07:57:10 PM
I think there can be something between murdering cops and candlelight vigils that can be pretty effective. Like I can see politicians around the country right now being like, "hey, maybe the next time a cop murders someone, my downtown might burn to the ground" and maybe do something to prevent the first thing from happening.
I have no faith of this coming close to happening if they can't even arrest these dudes for kicking people in the face or shooting paint cans on people sitting on their porch. Has any elected official even publicly said they will do anything about the scores of brutality we're seen on camera?
no they haven't
https://twitter.com/heyydnae/status/1267139396278661121
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 08:04:52 PM
Now he's tweeting for clout, he should have been hurt worse. "Protecting a bar I love," lol, he was looking for a reason to eff some people up, be a hero.
Yeah, too bad someone didn't pin him down and put their knee on his neck for like 7 minutes or so. What a POS!!
Why so passive aggressive?
From what I've gathered it's what you seem to relate to best? Actually I was just trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was.
You're not actually saying anything. Are you struggling with what parts you can say to yourself and what you can say out loud?
Was this your attempt at a slam? I guess I need to be more specific because you have comprehension issues? Here you go; You judging and thinking you know someone and then saying he should have been hurt worse is ridiculous. Hope this helps.
When I want to "slam" you, there will be no ambiguity about it.
Thinking I know someone? What? I read his words about the stupid crap he pulled, and I definitely judged him, feel good about it too. He tried to cut a kid, riding a skateboard, with a sword/machete, trying to protect a bar during a riot. Yes, he deserved far more than he got, they should have made sure he wasn't able to procreate, he's a dipshit of bqqie levels. LOL at you thinking I give two shits about some weird all lives matter rando on the internet judging me. I don't give a eff about you, or how bad of a person you think I am.
Do ya owe any rent for that place I occupy at the top of your mind? Lemme know.
Meanwhile, I hope you libs are happy with the situation your leaders have created for good hardworking small business owners. But, hey, keep working for the man, cashing those bi-weekly salary checks and hoping for handouts.
https://twitter.com/techno_fog/status/1267219793737809931
1. Don't call people n-word
2. [youtube]https://youtu.be/tq6lLBVYdh4[/youtube]
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
to everyone talking about voting: i can smell your white privilege from hereI’m saying the whites are the ones who need to vote, dummy. That’s why I think the wanton destruction of property could lead to a positive change by forcing people to pay attention. Even if the destruction is disproportionately affecting innocent people.
we have set up our electoral system so that the vast majority of votes don't matter. we gerrymander, we purge voter rolls, and we make it as inconvenient as possible for poor people/poor people of color to vote. PLUS, actually having the time to properly research the best sheriffs, judges, and other (way, waaay-)down ballot candidates (when they aren't running rough ridin' unopposed) is a luxury that most poor and working class people of color simply DO NOT HAVE.
get the eff out of here with that bullshit.
Do I think that makes the destruction right? No. But I also totally understand that as someone who doesn’t experience systemic racism on a daily basis, I’ve never really had to balance my morals against a survival instinct of pure desperation.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 08:16:51 PM
to everyone talking about voting: i can smell your white privilege from hereI’m saying the whites are the ones who need to vote, dummy. That’s why I think the wanton destruction of property could lead to a positive change by forcing people to pay attention. Even if the destruction is disproportionately affecting innocent people.
we have set up our electoral system so that the vast majority of votes don't matter. we gerrymander, we purge voter rolls, and we make it as inconvenient as possible for poor people/poor people of color to vote. PLUS, actually having the time to properly research the best sheriffs, judges, and other (way, waaay-)down ballot candidates (when they aren't running rough ridin' unopposed) is a luxury that most poor and working class people of color simply DO NOT HAVE.
get the eff out of here with that bullshit.
JFC. am i taking crazy pills?!? whites aren't the one who have problems voting, dummy. white people thinking they need to decide what's in the best interest of black people doesn't fix the problem. un-rough ridin'-believable.
Post by: cfbandyman on May 31, 2020, 09:03:43 PM
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 09:16:13 PM
I think there can be something between murdering cops and candlelight vigils that can be pretty effective. Like I can see politicians around the country right now being like, "hey, maybe the next time a cop murders someone, my downtown might burn to the ground" and maybe do something to prevent the first thing from happening.
I have no faith of this coming close to happening if they can't even arrest these dudes for kicking people in the face or shooting paint cans on people sitting on their porch. Has any elected official even publicly said they will do anything about the scores of brutality we're seen on camera?
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1267132229077159943
Unfortunately, she's a rare bird.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 31, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
https://twitter.com/_whiterabbitt_/status/1267269625244520451
You get this....
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266571046620102657
Congrats libs. Hope you’re rough ridin' happy with your people.
:curse:
Post by: 8manpick on May 31, 2020, 09:25:09 PM
When you do this....Except that it actually wasn’t.
https://twitter.com/_whiterabbitt_/status/1267269625244520451
You get this....
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266571046620102657
Congrats libs. Hope you’re rough ridin' happy with your people.
:curse:
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 09:26:05 PM
I think there can be something between murdering cops and candlelight vigils that can be pretty effective. Like I can see politicians around the country right now being like, "hey, maybe the next time a cop murders someone, my downtown might burn to the ground" and maybe do something to prevent the first thing from happening.
I have no faith of this coming close to happening if they can't even arrest these dudes for kicking people in the face or shooting paint cans on people sitting on their porch. Has any elected official even publicly said they will do anything about the scores of brutality we're seen on camera?
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1267132229077159943
Unfortunately, she's a rare bird.
Literally the same thing happened here last night. A state rep was standing between a line of cops and protesters asking the protesters to go home when the cops threw three canisters of gas in the area where he was standing.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 09:29:53 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
Are you familiar with the history of this country, hell of the world? If people in the position of power were interested in change and reform, it would have happened already. Honestly, the last night I was starting to waver about how I felt when I saw what was happening in LA, but seeing all of these videos of cops in this midst of this, behaving like thugs who know there are no repercussions for their actions, I've swung to the extreme. I want fires, I want violence, I want bloodshed. I want whatever is needed to make people realize that sweeping change is essential, not recommended or suggested. What has happened so far has clearly had no effect. We've gotten no public arrests of all of these cops assaulting citizens.
The problem is the killing of black people is a distraction. It is what happens when their everyday behavior of brutality and abuses of power take it one step farther. Something extreme has to happen to make you all listen, none of this crap is new nor are the grievances of the behavior.
I may or may not be as familiar with these things as you but please don't paint your broad brush of no one ever having interest in making change or reform. This diatribe of all cops are "thugs" and will never suffer a repercussion is total b.s. and you know it. If you think that fires and violence and bloodshed is the answer, more power to you. I can appreciate someones conviction to a point but hope you will suffer the consequences if you participate in such anarchy. I think it's funny that it's so easy for you to crap on bookie and call him names when some of your beliefs in what needs to happen in your eyes maybe aren't so different or "insane" than his?
Something extreme might need to happen to stop this reprehensible behavior but all these dolts who haven't done crap other than pound on their keyboard and paste twitter feeds and express their :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:)is laughable. I honestly haven't heard much on this thread at all other than approval of riots/violence to "wake up" those people who can make a change. It's a joke.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 09:42:50 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
Are you familiar with the history of this country, hell of the world? If people in the position of power were interested in change and reform, it would have happened already. Honestly, the last night I was starting to waver about how I felt when I saw what was happening in LA, but seeing all of these videos of cops in this midst of this, behaving like thugs who know there are no repercussions for their actions, I've swung to the extreme. I want fires, I want violence, I want bloodshed. I want whatever is needed to make people realize that sweeping change is essential, not recommended or suggested. What has happened so far has clearly had no effect. We've gotten no public arrests of all of these cops assaulting citizens.
The problem is the killing of black people is a distraction. It is what happens when their everyday behavior of brutality and abuses of power take it one step farther. Something extreme has to happen to make you all listen, none of this crap is new nor are the grievances of the behavior.
I may or may not be as familiar with these things as you but please don't paint your broad brush of no one ever having interest in making change or reform. This diatribe of all cops are "thugs" and will never suffer a repercussion is total b.s. and you know it. If you think that fires and violence and bloodshed is the answer, more power to you. I can appreciate someones conviction to a point but hope you will suffer the consequences if you participate in such anarchy. I think it's funny that it's so easy for you to crap on bookie and call him names when some of your beliefs in what needs to happen in your eyes maybe aren't so different or "insane" than his?
Something extreme might need to happen to stop this reprehensible behavior but all these dolts who haven't done crap other than pound on their keyboard and paste twitter feeds and express their :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:)is laughable. I honestly haven't heard much on this thread at all other than approval of riots/violence to "wake up" those people who can make a change. It's a joke.
I'll start with what I bolded. Are you rough ridin' crazy? Jesus, only 1/4 of George Floyd's murders have even been convicted. We've seen protesters and looters arrested, how many of the cops assaulting protesters, journalists, or even people just rubbernecking have been arrested?
I don't think fires and bloodshed will be the answer because it won't be able to be done long enough to get the attention of people like you to take it seriously. It's actually going to take a war to get the criminal justice and social justice reforms needed to make all citizens of this country feel safe and protected. Given that's not going to happen, I guess we're stuck. Stop acting like police brutality and racial injustice are new concepts are new. The time for talking has long past because you actually aren't interested in anything that has been said for literally hundreds of years.
Bookie has come no where close to advocating anything that I am. Again, if you think I'm crazy or whatever, I couldn't care less, you can't even read.
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 09:46:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 09:49:13 PM
https://twitter.com/XruthxNthr/status/1266928366000594944
and it's like yeah that's why people feel the need to riot. no one gives a crap (especially the media) otherwise
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 09:59:14 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 31, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
Are you familiar with the history of this country, hell of the world? If people in the position of power were interested in change and reform, it would have happened already. Honestly, the last night I was starting to waver about how I felt when I saw what was happening in LA, but seeing all of these videos of cops in this midst of this, behaving like thugs who know there are no repercussions for their actions, I've swung to the extreme. I want fires, I want violence, I want bloodshed. I want whatever is needed to make people realize that sweeping change is essential, not recommended or suggested. What has happened so far has clearly had no effect. We've gotten no public arrests of all of these cops assaulting citizens.
The problem is the killing of black people is a distraction. It is what happens when their everyday behavior of brutality and abuses of power take it one step farther. Something extreme has to happen to make you all listen, none of this crap is new nor are the grievances of the behavior.
I may or may not be as familiar with these things as you but please don't paint your broad brush of no one ever having interest in making change or reform. This diatribe of all cops are "thugs" and will never suffer a repercussion is total b.s. and you know it. If you think that fires and violence and bloodshed is the answer, more power to you. I can appreciate someones conviction to a point but hope you will suffer the consequences if you participate in such anarchy. I think it's funny that it's so easy for you to crap on bookie and call him names when some of your beliefs in what needs to happen in your eyes maybe aren't so different or "insane" than his?
Something extreme might need to happen to stop this reprehensible behavior but all these dolts who haven't done crap other than pound on their keyboard and paste twitter feeds and express their :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:)is laughable. I honestly haven't heard much on this thread at all other than approval of riots/violence to "wake up" those people who can make a change. It's a joke.
I'll start with what I bolded. Are you rough ridin' crazy? Jesus, only 1/4 of George Floyd's murders have even been convicted. We've seen protesters and looters arrested, how many of the cops assaulting protesters, journalists, or even people just rubbernecking have been arrested?
I don't think fires and bloodshed will be the answer because it won't be able to be done long enough to get the attention of people like you to take it seriously. It's actually going to take a war to get the criminal justice and social justice reforms needed to make all citizens of this country feel safe and protected. Given that's not going to happen, I guess we're stuck. Stop acting like police brutality and racial injustice are new concepts are new. The time for talking has long past because you actually aren't interested in anything that has been said for literally hundreds of years.
Bookie has come no where close to advocating anything that I am. Again, if you think I'm crazy or whatever, I couldn't care less, you can't even read.
Who says I'm not taking it seriously? Maybe you think that because I called you out on wanting to be violent and create bloodshed and I don't? I don't think that's the route. Then you have the balls to say that I think police brutality and racial injustice are new? Go eff yourself bud. You have no clue who I am or what I think. Project that crap on someone else.
If you think having a war is what it's going to take to change things then yes, I think you're crazy. Btw, that's what Bookie thinks needs to happen for his convictions to come to fruition (lol). I read fine bud. Maybe you're the one with the comprehension issues?
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/aaronnarraph/status/1266906717834686470
https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1267108084792594432
hopefully we get to a point where taking money from cops is like taking money from white supremacists because really is there that much of a difference?
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2020, 10:23:43 PM
to everyone talking about voting: i can smell your white privilege from hereI’m saying the whites are the ones who need to vote, dummy. That’s why I think the wanton destruction of property could lead to a positive change by forcing people to pay attention. Even if the destruction is disproportionately affecting innocent people.
we have set up our electoral system so that the vast majority of votes don't matter. we gerrymander, we purge voter rolls, and we make it as inconvenient as possible for poor people/poor people of color to vote. PLUS, actually having the time to properly research the best sheriffs, judges, and other (way, waaay-)down ballot candidates (when they aren't running rough ridin' unopposed) is a luxury that most poor and working class people of color simply DO NOT HAVE.
get the eff out of here with that bullshit.
JFC. am i taking crazy pills?!? whites aren't the one who have problems voting, dummy. white people thinking they need to decide what's in the best interest of black people doesn't fix the problem. un-rough ridin'-believable.
What on earth is your point? First you say black people have been disenfranchised and can’t effectively vote their own fate, and then you say whites shouldn’t think they are responsible for voting in the interest of minorities?
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 31, 2020, 10:31:52 PM
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 10:37:07 PM
I absolutely think there are a shitload of secret white supremacists or at minimum power hungry alt-right types who become cops.
In all seriousness. It's surprising that we haven't heard anyone speak about the insides of a police precint. No documentaries or anything that I'm aware of.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 11:21:06 PM
to everyone talking about voting: i can smell your white privilege from hereI’m saying the whites are the ones who need to vote, dummy. That’s why I think the wanton destruction of property could lead to a positive change by forcing people to pay attention. Even if the destruction is disproportionately affecting innocent people.
we have set up our electoral system so that the vast majority of votes don't matter. we gerrymander, we purge voter rolls, and we make it as inconvenient as possible for poor people/poor people of color to vote. PLUS, actually having the time to properly research the best sheriffs, judges, and other (way, waaay-)down ballot candidates (when they aren't running rough ridin' unopposed) is a luxury that most poor and working class people of color simply DO NOT HAVE.
get the eff out of here with that bullshit.
JFC. am i taking crazy pills?!? whites aren't the one who have problems voting, dummy. white people thinking THEY need to decide what's in the best interest of black people doesn't fix the problem. un-rough ridin'-believable.
What on earth is your point? First you say black people have been disenfranchised and can’t effectively vote their own fate, and then you say whites shouldn’t think they are responsible for voting in the interest of minorities?
That's NOT what I said. Those two bolded parts are very different.
We need to enfranchise communities of color so that they speak out in their own voice, so that their lives, their cares and their concerns are taken just as seriously as those of white people.
Post by: michigancat on May 31, 2020, 11:21:51 PM
I don't see a correlation between cops and white supremacists. I'm very much in the "there are some bad apples" camp. I think unions are good so they are protected and paid. I understand this might be viewed as counterproductive, but I think it's important cops are protected and paid.
A better comparison would probably be a progressive candidate refusing to take money from Big Oil or something. Cops are somewhere between big oil and white supremacists IMO.
I think that if cops exist they should be paid, but they shouldn't be protected in the way they are now. There needs to be some serious reform.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2020, 11:22:36 PM
It’s truly amazing to see who is “team riot & death” and who is “team law and order” here at gE.
WTAF is wrong with you but jobs?
Which team was Derek Chauvin on?
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats!!
Same team as you.
Yeah these judgmental, double standard pieces of crap do not have a clue.
https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/officers-shot-oakland-shooting-federal-building/6221576/)
What about this guy Tsolid?
I'd love to play the game of trading stories of shitty things done to cops with shitty things cops have done to others, I'll win. Wanna play?
I'm sure you would win and unfortunately I think that's a moot point. I have an issue with people thinking that violence and killing is the way to go about change.
Are you familiar with the history of this country, hell of the world? If people in the position of power were interested in change and reform, it would have happened already. Honestly, the last night I was starting to waver about how I felt when I saw what was happening in LA, but seeing all of these videos of cops in this midst of this, behaving like thugs who know there are no repercussions for their actions, I've swung to the extreme. I want fires, I want violence, I want bloodshed. I want whatever is needed to make people realize that sweeping change is essential, not recommended or suggested. What has happened so far has clearly had no effect. We've gotten no public arrests of all of these cops assaulting citizens.
The problem is the killing of black people is a distraction. It is what happens when their everyday behavior of brutality and abuses of power take it one step farther. Something extreme has to happen to make you all listen, none of this crap is new nor are the grievances of the behavior.
I may or may not be as familiar with these things as you but please don't paint your broad brush of no one ever having interest in making change or reform. This diatribe of all cops are "thugs" and will never suffer a repercussion is total b.s. and you know it. If you think that fires and violence and bloodshed is the answer, more power to you. I can appreciate someones conviction to a point but hope you will suffer the consequences if you participate in such anarchy. I think it's funny that it's so easy for you to crap on bookie and call him names when some of your beliefs in what needs to happen in your eyes maybe aren't so different or "insane" than his?
Something extreme might need to happen to stop this reprehensible behavior but all these dolts who haven't done crap other than pound on their keyboard and paste twitter feeds and express their :curse: :curse: (ftp://:curse: :curse:)is laughable. I honestly haven't heard much on this thread at all other than approval of riots/violence to "wake up" those people who can make a change. It's a joke.
I'll start with what I bolded. Are you rough ridin' crazy? Jesus, only 1/4 of George Floyd's murders have even been convicted. We've seen protesters and looters arrested, how many of the cops assaulting protesters, journalists, or even people just rubbernecking have been arrested?
I don't think fires and bloodshed will be the answer because it won't be able to be done long enough to get the attention of people like you to take it seriously. It's actually going to take a war to get the criminal justice and social justice reforms needed to make all citizens of this country feel safe and protected. Given that's not going to happen, I guess we're stuck. Stop acting like police brutality and racial injustice are new concepts are new. The time for talking has long past because you actually aren't interested in anything that has been said for literally hundreds of years.
Bookie has come no where close to advocating anything that I am. Again, if you think I'm crazy or whatever, I couldn't care less, you can't even read.
Who says I'm not taking it seriously? Maybe you think that because I called you out on wanting to be violent and create bloodshed and I don't? I don't think that's the route. Then you have the balls to say that I think police brutality and racial injustice are new? Go eff yourself bud. You have no clue who I am or what I think. Project that crap on someone else.
If you think having a war is what it's going to take to change things then yes, I think you're crazy. Btw, that's what Bookie thinks needs to happen for his convictions to come to fruition (lol). I read fine bud. Maybe you're the one with the comprehension issues?
Why do I have to know who you are? You don't know me either, what's your point? I don't care about you calling me out, I don't know you or care about you, I've said this more than once. I also don't care about bookie, I don't know if you keep bringing him up because you want to shame me, but that won't work, at all.
What I do know is that a revolution in this country has never happened without bloodshed. Meaningful police reforms have never happened. It took a civil war for my people to be freed from indentured servitude. It took another 100 years and millions of the people lynched before there was civil rights legislation. It took the murder of three civil rights workers to get the voting rights act, which has essentially been gutted since. It took multiple assassinations and riots to get further civil rights legislation. I don't know what you have to continue to not seeing that makes you think just sitting by waiting for white men to do the right thing is a dead end.
There literally has been no positive movement in 55 years, this is completely inarguable. I don't know why this hurts you so much, nothing is going to happen anyway.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2020, 11:23:13 PM
I don't see a correlation between cops and white supremacists. I'm very much in the "there are some bad apples" camp. I think unions are good so they are protected and paid. I understand this might be viewed as counterproductive, but I think it's important cops are protected and paid.
have you ever heard the term "ghost skin" before?
Post by: bucket on May 31, 2020, 11:36:27 PM
I don't see a correlation between cops and white supremacists. I'm very much in the "there are some bad apples" camp. I think unions are good so they are protected and paid. I understand this might be viewed as counterproductive, but I think it's important cops are protected and paid.
have you ever heard the term "ghost skin" before?
I hadn't until a quick google search. I still feel the same. Their job puts them in extraorindary danger. They need to be protected. However, I feel the pay results in them having few good applicants. Thus the bad apples.
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Post by: nicname on May 31, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2020, 11:50:19 PM
I don't see a correlation between cops and white supremacists. I'm very much in the "there are some bad apples" camp. I think unions are good so they are protected and paid. I understand this might be viewed as counterproductive, but I think it's important cops are protected and paid.
have you ever heard the term "ghost skin" before?
I hadn't until a quick google search. I still feel the same. Their job puts them in extraorindary danger. They need to be protected. However, I feel the pay results in them having few good applicants. Thus the bad apples.
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Here's a pro-tip: Hate group infiltration of Law Enforcement began to be investigated as early as 2006 under the administration of the hated George W. Bush, it accelerated into the subsequent years until Barry Obama's DHS director Janet Napolitano issued a report that basically said that anyone with a military background in law enforcement was basically a skin head white supremacist. So in essence, it was a shitty and worthless effort that would instantly set DHS and it's director up for criticism. So, instead of going back and starting over and actually drilling down and separating the fact from the broad brushed BS. Napolitano cancelled the whole thing. This all happened around 2009. Not surprisingly the utterly worthless James Comey didn't put any fight when the entire project was cancelled.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 12:03:53 AM
https://twitter.com/SophiaLeeHyun/status/1267216604388978689
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
https://twitter.com/crazy_bulgarian/status/1267089264032038913https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1267085795925659650That’s wild that american racism is being protested in germany.Iran
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https://twitter.com/ALGORHYTHM_95/status/1266902584549408768
Post by: nicname on June 01, 2020, 12:13:37 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 12:17:16 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 12:18:19 AM
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 12:20:42 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 12:29:05 AM
ehhhh, grey area...lol you're kidding.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 12:29:23 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 12:31:00 AM
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648:thumbs:
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 12:39:06 AM
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648
Well, I'll rough ridin' be. If he stayed in this would have been enough to vote for him. It's not going to pass and get signed, but it's the most significant thing anyone in Washington has done.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 12:41:40 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 07:11:27 AM
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Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on June 01, 2020, 07:12:30 AM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1267421819511939072
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 08:52:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1267302014293364737
and some videos of cops protecting the people! too bad we don't have a Blaze writer calling it murder!
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267287782155857923
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267308341660979200
and really, here's what cops care about:
https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1267326586627534849
Post by: catastrophe on June 01, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 09:06:23 AM
I mean I’d venture to say the vast majority of what police do is geared towards protecting private property.
cRusty is just mad that Richmond police were enforcing Governor Black Face's curfew . . . that the black mayor of Richmond doubled down on and said would be enforced.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 09:07:14 AM
I mean I’d venture to say the vast majority of what police do is geared towards protecting private property.
specific types of private property was the point of the tweet
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2020, 09:07:56 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 09:08:56 AM
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648
Well, I'll rough ridin' be. If he stayed in this would have been enough to vote for him. It's not going to pass and get signed, but it's the most significant thing anyone in Washington has done.
hopefully we've made some progress in 6 years
https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1267455018489315329
Quote
On June 19, progressive House Democrat Alan Grayson (FL) offered an amendment to the defense appropriations bill that would block the “transfer” of “aircraft (including unmanned aerial vehicles), armored vehicles, grenade launchers, silencers, toxicological agents, launch vehicles, guided missiles, ballistic missiles” from the Department of Defense to state and local police forces.
The amendment attracted the support of only 62 members, while 355 voted against it (14 didn’t vote). Included among those voting against it was Rep. William Lacy Clay (D), who represents Ferguson. Clay was joined by every senior member of the Democratic Party leadership team, including Reps. Nancy Pelosi (CA), Steny Hoyer (MD), and Assistant Democratic Leader James Clyburn (SC). Democrats did form the bulk of support for the amendment (with 43 votes in favor), with 19 Republicans supporting as well—led by libertarian-conservative Rep. Justin Amash (MI), who lamented that “military-grade equipment . . . shouldn’t be used on the street by state and local police” on his Facebook page.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 09:09:40 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 01, 2020, 09:15:28 AM
Unless there was some havoc being wrecked in Flatbrush, I think cops could rightly make the calculation that a Target was way more likely to get destroyed absent police presence.I mean I’d venture to say the vast majority of what police do is geared towards protecting private property.
specific types of private property was the point of the tweet
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2020, 09:22:23 AM
https://twitter.com/katem98/status/1267288469132447750/photo/1Literally nothing could happen that would justify having a sniper posted, short of a suicide bomber
Post by: mocat on June 01, 2020, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
Snipers are commonly posted up at big events. I've seen them at nascar racesMy statement stands
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 09:28:06 AM
Unless there was some havoc being wrecked in Flatbrush, I think cops could rightly make the calculation that a Target was way more likely to get destroyed absent police presence.I mean I’d venture to say the vast majority of what police do is geared towards protecting private property.
specific types of private property was the point of the tweet
that's fair I suppose. but maybe there wasn't havoc by the bridge because there weren't cops?
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 09:36:05 AM
KCPD did a better job yesterday, they let protesters march the streets by closing down streets for them as they moved versus trying to keep them pinned into one space and not giving any good "exit" route for protesters that wanted to leave.
I honestly don't think a line of cops facing off with protesters is the best idea. Have them staged blocks back and let the protesters have room to breath. Having 100s of cops staring back at them with riot helmets on seems to turn up the temperature more than it should.
Mix in some cops into the crowd so they can observe the idiots trying to incite the crowd. 99% of the protesters would welcome that as they don't want the violence to escalate either. Maybe that's a dumb idea and too much risk for those officers, I don't know but the current strategy doesn't seem to be that great.
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2020, 09:42:39 AM
A sniper up there to give a birds eye view of the protests for the officers on the ground is probably the least thing I'm worried about from the PD side.
Binoculars and a radio would work just fine. It’s just another example of over militarization of the police.
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 09:43:55 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 09:48:08 AM
A sniper up there to give a birds eye view of the protests for the officers on the ground is probably the least thing I'm worried about from the PD side.
Binoculars and a radio would work just fine. It’s just another example of over militarization of the police.
fair point. Maybe he was up there due to a US congressman and mayor being on site?
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 01, 2020, 10:26:15 AM
I wonder where things would go if some large city just said, screw it, we are not going to police this crap so have at it. Do protesters continue to burn and loot crap with complete disregard. Or, without being incensed by police, do they protest in a more peaceful fashion with only isolated incidents of aforementioned burning/looting?
Without the police, you probably have civilians start to take matters into their own hands to protect their livelihood/property/businesses. That, you don't want as some folks are not going to show much restraint.
Bottom line, nothing is going to fix this right now. You could charge, convict, and give the 4 cops the death sentence and nothing would change come Friday night in Oakland. You could institute all the legislative crap you want and folks are still going to 'riot not rally.'
Post by: catastrophe on June 01, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
Not sure what would address that type of threat outside of maybe police snipers being posted.
Personally I’d favor businesses just having riot insurance and officers not bothering to intervene when gigantic crowds start tearing stuff up.
Also—and I can’t stress this enough—civil remedies should always be available to go after rioters and looters.
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2020, 10:42:07 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 10:43:27 AM
So it appears difficult to define what good 'policing' looks like during a riot. We've seen a few good examples, but I don't see these success stories being implemented on a large scale.
I wonder where things would go if some large city just said, screw it, we are not going to police this crap so have at it. Do protesters continue to burn and loot crap with complete disregard. Or, without being incensed by police, do they protest in a more peaceful fashion with only isolated incidents of aforementioned burning/looting?
Without the police, you probably have civilians start to take matters into their own hands to protect their livelihood/property/businesses. That, you don't want as some folks are not going to show much restraint.
Bottom line, nothing is going to fix this right now. You could charge, convict, and give the 4 cops the death sentence and nothing would change come Friday night in Oakland. You could institute all the legislative crap you want and folks are still going to 'riot not rally.'
better yet what if a city said "we're going to defund and demilitarize the police and make real reform". You think it's about arresting and convicting the officers, but it's not. That's a symptom, not the disease
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1267480306371760135
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 10:59:25 AM
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1267478952387411970
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1267480306371760135
Luckily at this point everybody knows he just rants and doesn't mean a thing he says and they all just ignore him but how disturbing he thinks that is the answer.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 11:01:53 AM
It's such an ironic response.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 01, 2020, 11:27:45 AM
So it appears difficult to define what good 'policing' looks like during a riot. We've seen a few good examples, but I don't see these success stories being implemented on a large scale.
I wonder where things would go if some large city just said, screw it, we are not going to police this crap so have at it. Do protesters continue to burn and loot crap with complete disregard. Or, without being incensed by police, do they protest in a more peaceful fashion with only isolated incidents of aforementioned burning/looting?
Without the police, you probably have civilians start to take matters into their own hands to protect their livelihood/property/businesses. That, you don't want as some folks are not going to show much restraint.
Bottom line, nothing is going to fix this right now. You could charge, convict, and give the 4 cops the death sentence and nothing would change come Friday night in Oakland. You could institute all the legislative crap you want and folks are still going to 'riot not rally.'
better yet what if a city said "we're going to defund and demilitarize the police and make real reform". You think it's about arresting and convicting the officers, but it's not. That's a symptom, not the disease
Numerous cities have tried that (the defunding / shrinking part). The number of law enforcement in the US has been shrinking since 2013. Are we any better off?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 11:28:31 AM
I've witnessed mahy protests at this same location on the plaza and this is the only one I remember where it's immediate cops lining up in a riot formation. The past other ones that even got police attention, the police would stage blocks away to be close in case something happened.
It's such an ironic response.
Originally from St. Paul, Minn.,
https://www.kcpd.org/about/chief-richard-smith/
Post by: catastrophe on June 01, 2020, 11:41:49 AM
In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 11:46:57 AM
And just surrender Michigan Ave.? That ain’t happening.In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 11:48:42 AM
And just surrender Michigan Ave.? That ain’t happening.In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.
So the assumption is protestors would just loot the streets without the cops there? I don't know if that's accurate. I'd say the cops are still there but more for traffic management. Maybe I'm being pollyanna about this but most protestors are there looking for a fight/trouble.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 01, 2020, 11:58:37 AM
https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-to-make-this-moment-the-turning-point-for-real-change-9fa209806067I thought this was good.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 12:02:18 PM
So it appears difficult to define what good 'policing' looks like during a riot. We've seen a few good examples, but I don't see these success stories being implemented on a large scale.
I wonder where things would go if some large city just said, screw it, we are not going to police this crap so have at it. Do protesters continue to burn and loot crap with complete disregard. Or, without being incensed by police, do they protest in a more peaceful fashion with only isolated incidents of aforementioned burning/looting?
Without the police, you probably have civilians start to take matters into their own hands to protect their livelihood/property/businesses. That, you don't want as some folks are not going to show much restraint.
Bottom line, nothing is going to fix this right now. You could charge, convict, and give the 4 cops the death sentence and nothing would change come Friday night in Oakland. You could institute all the legislative crap you want and folks are still going to 'riot not rally.'
better yet what if a city said "we're going to defund and demilitarize the police and make real reform". You think it's about arresting and convicting the officers, but it's not. That's a symptom, not the disease
Numerous cities have tried that (the defunding / shrinking part). The number of law enforcement in the US has been shrinking since 2013. Are we any better off?
what are some examples? I know of Camden, NJ is one of the more serious examples
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/
https://www.inquirer.com/news/camden-george-floyd-peaceful-protests-20200531.html
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 12:14:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1267211844646768644
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 12:23:47 PM
In the US he'd have been shot
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 12:28:48 PM
That's great :)
In the US he'd have been shot
Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 12:34:56 PM
That's great :)
In the US he'd have been shot
Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.
Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/
Quote
specialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
That's great :)
In the US he'd have been shot
Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.
Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/Quotespecialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.
Yeah, weird segue
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 12:46:40 PM
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Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 12:49:50 PM
I mean yeah I think that’s a fair enough assumption. That’s literally what 8man said was happening in suburbs that don’t have the police presence to curb the crowds there.And just surrender Michigan Ave.? That ain’t happening.In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.
So the assumption is protestors would just loot the streets without the cops there? I don't know if that's accurate. I'd say the cops are still there but more for traffic management. Maybe I'm being pollyanna about this but most protestors are there looking for a fight/trouble.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 12:50:15 PM
That's great :)
In the US he'd have been shot
Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.
Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/Quotespecialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.
Yeah, weird segue
Yeah, totally unrelated to the subject of this thread :jerk:
rough ridin' idiot
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 12:52:08 PM
https://twitter.com/ElijahRay6/status/1267480682344984579
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 12:54:48 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 12:56:50 PM
A thread on what it was like in brooklyn last night
https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1267302014293364737
and some videos of cops protecting the people! too bad we don't have a Blaze writer calling it murder!
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267287782155857923
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267308341660979200
and really, here's what cops care about:
https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1267326586627534849
That was a fantastic thread of tweets by Touré
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
That's great :)
In the US he'd have been shot
Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.
Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/Quotespecialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.
Yeah, weird segue
Yeah, totally unrelated to the subject of this thread :jerk:
rough ridin' idiot
SFB Useful Idiot .9 talking about unrelated posting . . . :lol: :lol:
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2020, 01:03:25 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-to-make-this-moment-the-turning-point-for-real-change-9fa209806067I thought this was good.
Did this article apologize for not being a forceful voice of leadership when he had the chance? If not, I'm not reading.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
I mean yeah I think that’s a fair enough assumption. That’s literally what 8man said was happening in suburbs that don’t have the police presence to curb the crowds there.And just surrender Michigan Ave.? That ain’t happening.In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.
So the assumption is protestors would just loot the streets without the cops there? I don't know if that's accurate. I'd say the cops are still there but more for traffic management. Maybe I'm being pollyanna about this but most protestors are there looking for a fight/trouble.
those sounded like opportunistic people knowing the cops were too busy with their show of force at the protest sites.
I'm not saying no police presence but give the protests room to breath. If I'm protesting police brutality and cops are stanidng 10 foot away in riot gear armed with gas, that only seems to incite the crowd more. By all reports these are peaceful protestors.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
https://twitter.com/PradhanAlka/status/1267513761860026368
Translation: We want unchecked violence and looting night after night after night
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 01:11:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 01:11:13 PM
https://twitter.com/PradhanAlka/status/1267513761860026368
Well, we might get the war after all :frown:
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1267479213180948484
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 01:15:00 PM
I agree that the protests should have room to breathe. But if bad actors are trashing/looting the water tower mall, which was happening yesterday afternoon, I don’t really expect cops to sit there and stay back either.
Agreed. Need a good way to nip the bad actors in the bud vs. letting them incite people. I don't think squeezing a line of cops around them is the best option but I'm only an amauter crowd control professional.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
I agree that the protests should have room to breathe. But if bad actors are trashing/looting the water tower mall, which was happening yesterday afternoon, I don’t really expect cops to sit there and stay back either.
There's nothing wrong with them being reactionary, not surprisingly the reactions aren't to crimes but to what they perceive to be threats of potential crime.
Also worth noting that some jurisdictions, like Long Beach, are letting people loot without intervening.
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
I agree that the protests should have room to breathe. But if bad actors are trashing/looting the water tower mall, which was happening yesterday afternoon, I don’t really expect cops to sit there and stay back either.
There's nothing wrong with them being reactionary, not surprisingly the reactions aren't to crimes but to what they perceive to be threats of potential crime.
Also worth noting that some jurisdictions, like Long Beach, are letting people loot without intervening.
Yeah, my thought is always, "Well, this is what insurance is for." I would hope these downtown business owners are smart enough to have coverage.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 01:18:47 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 01, 2020, 01:18:59 PM
Yeah agreed regarding your first paragraph.I agree that the protests should have room to breathe. But if bad actors are trashing/looting the water tower mall, which was happening yesterday afternoon, I don’t really expect cops to sit there and stay back either.
There's nothing wrong with them being reactionary, not surprisingly the reactions aren't to crimes but to what they perceive to be threats of potential crime.
Also worth noting that some jurisdictions, like Long Beach, are letting people loot without intervening.
Not that it’s super important, but i wonder how the insurance claims get handled in situations like Long Beach.
Post by: treysolid on June 01, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
tough guy here!
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1267479213180948484
eff that guy with a 1000 hot metal dicks
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 01:27:14 PM
Yeah agreed regarding your first paragraph.I agree that the protests should have room to breathe. But if bad actors are trashing/looting the water tower mall, which was happening yesterday afternoon, I don’t really expect cops to sit there and stay back either.
There's nothing wrong with them being reactionary, not surprisingly the reactions aren't to crimes but to what they perceive to be threats of potential crime.
Also worth noting that some jurisdictions, like Long Beach, are letting people loot without intervening.
Not that it’s super important, but i wonder how the insurance claims get handled in situations like Long Beach.
Retail businesses typically grant security interests in "inventory" to creditors as collateral for extensions of credit. Usually creditors will require that debtors carry a certain level of insurance in connection therewith. Property damage should be covered under a business's main CGL policy (which all should have). Unlike COVID-related claims, these types of claims are not novel and have been dealt with many times in the past. There's not a lot that insurers can do to deny coverage, here. COVID on the other hand...
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 01:38:06 PM
tough guy here!
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1267479213180948484
Just had this interaction on twitter.
https://twitter.com/PolitiBunny/status/1267522157820678144?s=19
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 01:39:05 PM
Jeez those people are so grosstough guy here!
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1267479213180948484
Just had this interaction on twitter.
https://twitter.com/PolitiBunny/status/1267522157820678144?s=19
Post by: Stevesie60 on June 01, 2020, 01:42:22 PM
But you're saying it almost certainly is?
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
tough guy here!
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1267479213180948484
Just had this interaction on twitter.
https://twitter.com/PolitiBunny/status/1267522157820678144?s=19
Appropriate she calls herself a karen whisperer. What a POS
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 01:44:24 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1267514411914342404
Remember all the way back to like 12 hours ago when fuckhead brown poster I have purplewood took me to task about saying that it would take a war for things to change? This is at least the third government official that has publicly advocated for the government engaging in acts of war against their own citizens. You think he's meeting Trump, Barr, and Tom Cotton with that same energy he had from some rando sports message board poster in Iowa?
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2020, 01:48:22 PM
My sense is that if, in anticipation of possible looting/violence/crime, extra cops were at their stations or on call for that work but not preemptively out in riot gear at the start of demonstrations, that'd be win-win.
Post by: catastrophe on June 01, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
Well at least insurance companies can’t argue the business owners should have tried protecting their places with machetes!Yeah agreed regarding your first paragraph.I agree that the protests should have room to breathe. But if bad actors are trashing/looting the water tower mall, which was happening yesterday afternoon, I don’t really expect cops to sit there and stay back either.
There's nothing wrong with them being reactionary, not surprisingly the reactions aren't to crimes but to what they perceive to be threats of potential crime.
Also worth noting that some jurisdictions, like Long Beach, are letting people loot without intervening.
Not that it’s super important, but i wonder how the insurance claims get handled in situations like Long Beach.
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
That was my main concern, Spracne. That riots/looting would have been some weird loophole or something not clearly declared in the insurance contract.
But you're saying it almost certainly is?
Well, it depends on the language of each contract. Some policies may have certain exclusions that bar coverage, but the standard form policies ought to cover losses due to this.
Post by: 8manpick on June 01, 2020, 02:26:21 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 02:37:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
Interesting developments in my neighborhood today: peaceful protest organized by seemingly well-meaning local residents to start at the nearest train station at 5. Right wing controlled fake Antifa group advertising with (online) posters that look like BLM designs saying “burn the North side to ashes”
Are you absolutely sure it's not the Russians?
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 02:43:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1267531005663023104
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 02:45:35 PM
https://twitter.com/jlepolastewart/status/1267490031297531904?s=20
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZclwfYU8AEGx-d?format=jpg&name=large)
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 02:51:06 PM
Look at these thugs
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1267531005663023104
We need robocop, emotions are too hard to control in humans when faced with danger/stress especially when outnumbered and we pay police so little that it's only a valued job by those that are truly selfless (few) and those who desire power (lots)
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 02:51:49 PM
Very productive
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZclwfYU8AEGx-d?format=jpg&name=large)
if that's not 'shopped.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 02:55:26 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 01, 2020, 03:05:40 PM
It's a bit tricky with perspective, but it's not shopped
No crap. That cop is not even remotely looking at her direction. If you want to get spun up about something, it should be about the grade-A shitty parenting going on here (or whoever is the adult) and not the officer clearly pointing in a different direction.
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
Planted by the cops and apparently unplanted by the cops
https://twitter.com/jlepolastewart/status/1267490031297531904?s=20
lmao. these are a shining bright light in this shitty event for me. gullible idiots as far as the eye can see.
https://twitter.com/FriscoPD/status/1267499426689548290
Post by: nicname on June 01, 2020, 03:10:03 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 03:12:01 PM
https://twitter.com/anjeweler/status/1267459691405344777
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2020, 03:17:23 PM
Planted by the cops and apparently unplanted by the cops
https://twitter.com/jlepolastewart/status/1267490031297531904?s=20
lmao. these are a shining bright light in this shitty event for me. gullible idiots as far as the eye can see.
https://twitter.com/FriscoPD/status/1267499426689548290
Bricks by: Antifa? Russians? KKK? Faux Antifa?
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 03:19:51 PM
Planted by the cops and apparently unplanted by the cops
https://twitter.com/jlepolastewart/status/1267490031297531904?s=20
lmao. these are a shining bright light in this shitty event for me. gullible idiots as far as the eye can see.
https://twitter.com/FriscoPD/status/1267499426689548290
Bricks by: Antifa? Russians? KKK? Faux Antifa?
:thumbs:
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 03:21:14 PM
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1267551120320323585
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 03:25:38 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 03:37:23 PM
Look at these thugs
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1267531005663023104
This video has probably made me the most upset locally. Several of those cops should just be straight up fired. Hell at this point every police department should have to go through a thorough external review and scrubbed clean of trash like that. Inexcusable.
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 03:38:38 PM
Post by: nicname on June 01, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 01, 2020, 04:01:57 PM
I dunno...this seems like an incredibly profound way of protesting for a group of people that have consistently been sent a clear message that we care more about stuff and property than we do about their humanity.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 01, 2020, 04:30:36 PM
https://twitter.com/notbalin/status/1266972999296704513
Nothing to see here without a video. Also, doubt this guy is qualified to say what the 'proper' way is to shoot tear gas.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
I'm very interested in why body cams weren't on last night...
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
https://twitter.com/notbalin/status/1266972999296704513
Nothing to see here without a video. Also, doubt this guy is qualified to say what the 'proper' way is to shoot tear gas.
lol yeah without video there's no way that we could imagine cops using ridiculously excessive force on civilian protesters
but anyway
https://twitter.com/michaelkuhnnews/status/1267367544496754688
https://twitter.com/wane15/status/1266844202614362119
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on June 01, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
https://twitter.com/eyesonq/status/1267576749346471941
Disgusting.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 05:17:57 PM
I hope team riot is happy...
https://twitter.com/eyesonq/status/1267576749346471941
Disgusting.
guarantee he's lying and/or exaggerating
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2020, 05:27:47 PM
I had thought I read somewhere that conspiracy theories were invented by the CIA as a means of mind control. Apparently not at the Gateway Pundit.
Also, check out this poor, conflicted writing:
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Richmond Police Chief William Smith broke down while speaking about the horrible burning deaths of a children [sic] after their occupied building was torched by rioters.
A couple paragraphs down:
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For the record, police on the scene were able to save the children.
Quality stuff, bqqkie.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 05:37:51 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 01, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://twitter.com/catreidtv/status/1267543562729795586
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 05:46:35 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 05:55:48 PM
This speech with shots of what is happening a few blocks away at the same time is just surreal
yeah he's not smart. if he thinks he's gonna be a badass with the army it's gonna backfire big time
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
Very cool sir.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
Surely even dax will call out this facism
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 06:10:53 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 06:12:15 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 01, 2020, 06:16:50 PM
https://twitter.com/notbalin/status/1266972999296704513
Nothing to see here without a video. Also, doubt this guy is qualified to say what the 'proper' way is to shoot tear gas.
lol yeah without video there's no way that we could imagine cops using ridiculously excessive force on civilian protesters
but anyway
https://twitter.com/michaelkuhnnews/status/1267367544496754688
https://twitter.com/wane15/status/1266844202614362119
Can't see much from that video. Second one didn't play for me.
Post by: sys on June 01, 2020, 06:19:48 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 01, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
I personally would wear a face shield to protect against gas cannisters or rubber bullets smashing all my teeth out.
Post by: puniraptor on June 01, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 01, 2020, 06:26:43 PM
he probably rammed a tear gas canister into his own eye, purple apathy.
Or he was in a place a shouldn't have been, or one of his fellow peaceful protesters launched a projectile in the air with unintended consequences, or just about anything else could have occurred besides a police officer shooting him point blank in the face with a tear gas canister. But whatever, man.....
With this many folks involved there is going to be crap that goes sideways.........
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 06:49:38 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 07:15:27 PM
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1267605434459992065
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
Very productive
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZclwfYU8AEGx-d?format=jpg&name=large)
eff that [redacted].
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 07:21:36 PM
It's a bit tricky with perspective, but it's not shopped
No crap. That cop is not even remotely looking at her direction. If you want to get spun up about something, it should be about the grade-A shitty parenting going on here (or whoever is the adult) and not the officer clearly pointing in a different direction.
Yes, stupid n-word, never leave your house again, you and your coon kid aren't allowed to walk anywhere ever.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Look at these thugs
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1267531005663023104
This video has probably made me the most upset locally. Several of those cops should just be straight up fired. Hell at this point every police department should have to go through a thorough external review and scrubbed clean of trash like that. Inexcusable.
Well they won't, the burden will completely be worn by everyone else but the power structure in this country and the police.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
https://twitter.com/notbalin/status/1266972999296704513
Nothing to see here without a video. Also, doubt this guy is qualified to say what the 'proper' way is to shoot tear gas.
I'm going to go way way way out on a limb and assume that shooting someone in the face with a canister is improper.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 07:29:47 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 07:41:12 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
Baby boy got embarrassed that he spent the night cowering in a bunkerYep
https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1267612852233408513
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Post by: star seed 7 on June 01, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 01, 2020, 08:01:39 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200602/31bcf281bf5ff683fb788b9c39ccfef0.jpg)Baby boy got embarrassed that he spent the night cowering in a bunkerYep
https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1267612852233408513
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Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 08:54:13 PM
https://twitter.com/elonjames/status/1267462019227279360
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 08:57:12 PM
https://twitter.com/maxdubler/status/1267620803182387202
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 09:00:34 PM
Post by: kim carnes on June 01, 2020, 09:02:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 09:15:05 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2020, 09:22:26 PM
Post by: nicname on June 01, 2020, 09:26:13 PM
This is an impressive mount of days of protests in so many cities. How long does this go? What ends it (not the military dumb trump)?
What specific demands need to be met? Not asking you personally, of course.
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2020, 09:37:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AnnieSciacca/status/1267623778441326594
https://twitter.com/dpi_19/status/1267627352445423616
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 10:30:57 PM
Look at these thugs
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1267531005663023104
This video has probably made me the most upset locally. Several of those cops should just be straight up fired. Hell at this point every police department should have to go through a thorough external review and scrubbed clean of trash like that. Inexcusable.
Well they won't, the burden will completely be worn by everyone else but the power structure in this country and the police.
I didn't say they would be, but I agree.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 01, 2020, 10:45:22 PM
I know I am late the trump clearing out protesters for a photo op with a Bible in front of a church, but my god that has to be the most tone deaf response to this situation you can have.It’s actually what the best president ever does. *insert some incoherent rant about Obama*
- Dax
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 10:47:43 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 01, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
Post by: sys on June 01, 2020, 10:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1267663514866458624
Post by: Cire on June 01, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
https://twitter.com/jocosocialist/status/1267308107325157376?s=21
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Post by: sys on June 01, 2020, 11:16:56 PM
Or he was in a place a shouldn't have been, or one of his fellow peaceful protesters launched a projectile in the air with unintended consequences, or just about anything else could have occurred besides a police officer shooting him point blank in the face with a tear gas canister. But whatever, man.....
With this many folks involved there is going to be crap that goes sideways.........
unfortunate how crap goes sideways here. no one at fault, obviously. just whatever, man.....
https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/status/1267638427723296768
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 11:24:39 PM
Or he was in a place a shouldn't have been, or one of his fellow peaceful protesters launched a projectile in the air with unintended consequences, or just about anything else could have occurred besides a police officer shooting him point blank in the face with a tear gas canister. But whatever, man.....
With this many folks involved there is going to be crap that goes sideways.........
unfortunate how crap goes sideways here. no one at fault, obviously. just whatever, man.....
https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/status/1267638427723296768
Cops are 1000% causing the peaceful protests to escalate and dumbasses want to blame the protesters and then crap like this happens.
It's really gotta suck being so dumb like book, dax, apathy, etc, they get have a position and get shelled out of it like 5 minutes later by reality, except I guess this is reality, you're the one looking at it wrong!
Post by: cfbandyman on June 01, 2020, 11:26:02 PM
https://twitter.com/FrEdwardBeck/status/1267597279638118401
That photo makes me want to puke.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 01, 2020, 11:44:02 PM
Or he was in a place a shouldn't have been, or one of his fellow peaceful protesters launched a projectile in the air with unintended consequences, or just about anything else could have occurred besides a police officer shooting him point blank in the face with a tear gas canister. But whatever, man.....
With this many folks involved there is going to be crap that goes sideways.........
unfortunate how crap goes sideways here. no one at fault, obviously. just whatever, man.....
https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/status/1267638427723296768
Cops are 1000% causing the peaceful protests to escalate and dumbasses want to blame the protesters and then crap like this happens.
It's really gotta suck being so dumb like book, dax, apathy, etc, they get have a position and get shelled out of it like 5 minutes later by reality, except I guess this is reality, you're the one looking at it wrong!
Ignorance is bliss.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 12:33:12 AM
there is obviously a wide diversity of responses across the country, but if i try to synthesize into some sort of a pattern, i find this to be a much more accurate description than the "the police only care about protecting property" narrative.
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1267663514866458624
Yeah I think that's true or at least becoming true
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 01:01:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1267696333869088768
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 01:23:14 AM
https://twitter.com/kcpolice/status/1267668093180010496
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 01:29:48 AM
Holy crap KC cops are stupid, like even for cops
https://twitter.com/kcpolice/status/1267668093180010496
rough ridin' cry babies.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 01:48:43 AM
Post by: treysolid on June 02, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 01:52:47 AM
https://twitter.com/chvistyy/status/1267692558198530048
https://twitter.com/nbcbayarea/status/1267653389346910208
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 08:58:14 AM
I still don't understand a line of cops 8 feet from the perimeter. Fall back and let people protest. Being in their face with riot gear on makes it worse.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2020, 08:59:51 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:02:45 AM
I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
Obviously. It's a problem with any protest. People see an opportunity to incite violence and mayhem.
Focus on the message and listen not dismiss it due to those outliers
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:03:51 AM
I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
Post by: cfbandyman on June 02, 2020, 09:23:34 AM
KC is at least letting them March the streets which is what they said they wanted and I think it's helping.
I still don't understand a line of cops 8 feet from the perimeter. Fall back and let people protest. Being in their face with riot gear on makes it worse.
Exactly, and why are they expecting a riot in the first place? They didn't show up like that at the stupid capitol house protests over reopening cause i can't get my hair cut, why here and why now? Oh wait we know the reason why.
Regardless, just hang out a few streets over, or just not look like you are spoiling for a fight. Literally showing up like they are makes the situation worse and you can see it time and again during all of this. It's like the stanford prison experiment happening in the streets again and again.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:28:31 AM
KC is at least letting them March the streets which is what they said they wanted and I think it's helping.
I still don't understand a line of cops 8 feet from the perimeter. Fall back and let people protest. Being in their face with riot gear on makes it worse.
Exactly, and why are they expecting a riot in the first place? They didn't show up like that at the stupid capitol house protests over reopening cause i can't get my hair cut, why here and why now? Oh wait we know the reason why.
Regardless, just hang out a few streets over, or just not look like you are spoiling for a fight. Literally showing up like they are makes the situation worse and you can see it time and again during all of this. It's like the stanford prison experiment happening in the streets again and again.
yep. The cops dress up in riot gear and throw tear gas because they want it to be violent
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But just because there’s no data about protests that can be easily compared in a chart doesn’t mean we’re bereft of information, said Pat Gillham, a professor of sociology at Western Washington University. There’s 50 years of research on violence at protests, dating back to the three federal commissions formed between 1967 and 1970. All three concluded that when police escalate force — using weapons, tear gas, mass arrests and other tools to make protesters do what the police want — those efforts can often go wrong, creating the very violence that force was meant to prevent. For example, the Kerner Commission, which was formed in 1967 to specifically investigate urban riots, found that police action was pivotal in starting half of the 24 riots the commission studied in detail. It recommended that police eliminate “abrasive policing tactics” and that cities establish fair ways to address complaints against police.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:37:24 AM
https://twitter.com/morenabasteiro/status/1267589169695666176
the richmond police chief did the same thing when he lied about the protesters trying to burn down a house with a baby in it. Like who the eff cares about Richmond, Virginia but residents of Richmond?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
100%I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:44:09 AM
It's crazy how every dumbass cop in america thinks people are coming from out of state to their state to cause problems
https://twitter.com/morenabasteiro/status/1267589169695666176
the richmond police chief did the same thing when he lied about the protesters trying to burn down a house with a baby in it. Like who the eff cares about Richmond, Virginia but residents of Richmond?
Is there a state without a protest? Why travel when you have one in your own backyard?
If anybody it's traveling it's those trying to incite violence that I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split in which side of the actual issue those people are on.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:48:23 AM
It's crazy how every dumbass cop in america thinks people are coming from out of state to their state to cause problems
https://twitter.com/morenabasteiro/status/1267589169695666176
the richmond police chief did the same thing when he lied about the protesters trying to burn down a house with a baby in it. Like who the eff cares about Richmond, Virginia but residents of Richmond?
Is there a state without a protest? Why travel when you have one in your own backyard?
If anybody it's traveling it's those trying to incite violence that I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split in which side of the actual issue those people are on.
eh I think it's pretty common for organizers to travel to major protests to help organize and not incite violence. But right now I'm not sure anyone's traveled anywhere but Minneapolis because it started there first. Everyone else has a protest close to home.
Post by: 8manpick on June 02, 2020, 09:48:52 AM
I know some legit activists traveled to Minneapolis, given that its the epicenter, but other than that or DC it doesn't make much senseIt's crazy how every dumbass cop in america thinks people are coming from out of state to their state to cause problems
https://twitter.com/morenabasteiro/status/1267589169695666176
the richmond police chief did the same thing when he lied about the protesters trying to burn down a house with a baby in it. Like who the eff cares about Richmond, Virginia but residents of Richmond?
Is there a state without a protest? Why travel when you have one in your own backyard?
If anybody it's traveling it's those trying to incite violence that I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split in which side of the actual issue those people are on.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:49:52 AM
It's crazy how every dumbass cop in america thinks people are coming from out of state to their state to cause problems
https://twitter.com/morenabasteiro/status/1267589169695666176
the richmond police chief did the same thing when he lied about the protesters trying to burn down a house with a baby in it. Like who the eff cares about Richmond, Virginia but residents of Richmond?
Is there a state without a protest? Why travel when you have one in your own backyard?
If anybody it's traveling it's those trying to incite violence that I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split in which side of the actual issue those people are on.
eh I think it's pretty common for organizers to travel to major protests to help organize and not incite violence. But right now I'm not sure anyone's traveled anywhere but Minneapolis because it started there first. Everyone else has a protest close to home.
Isn't that what I said?
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
If anybody it's traveling it's those trying to incite violence that I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split in which side of the actual issue those people are on.
eh I think it's pretty common for organizers to travel to major protests to help organize and not incite violence. But right now I'm not sure anyone's traveled anywhere but Minneapolis because it started there first. Everyone else has a protest close to home.
Isn't that what I said?
no you said "if anybody it's traveling it's those trying to incite violence"
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 10:00:13 AM
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2020, 10:08:11 AM
https://twitter.com/jpegjoshua/status/1267661731062571009
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2020, 10:08:39 AM
One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
The cops who would do the bad things are the exact same cops who really want a riot.
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 10:20:11 AM
Even if that were true (which who knows), the incentives still exist at the societal level. As some one who was finger wagging the violent protests over the last week (while still acknowledging that police action giving rise to it was reprehensible), my view on it has kind of changed, which is a credit to the protests, peaceful or otherwise. You have to kind of divorce yourself from moral judgments on violent responses (which I do think are wrong) and view them as an objective effect of bad policing.One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
The cops who would do the bad things are the exact same cops who really want a riot.
It isn't really enough to say burning a media van (for example) is bad. Of course it's bad. But it's also apparent that a burned police van in KC is one possible result of bad policing (locally and elsewhere). So let's do our best not to have bad policing -- not only because it will result in fewer lives lost as a proximate cause of the bad/unjust policing, but also because it will result in less violence/lives lost as a possible response.
When police do bad things, more bad things (and maybe even worse things) happen. So it becomes very important for police not to do bad things.
Post by: bucket on June 02, 2020, 10:25:09 AM
Even if that were true (which who knows), the incentives still exist at the societal level. As some one who was finger wagging the violent protests over the last week (while still acknowledging that police action giving rise to it was reprehensible), my view on it has kind of changed, which is a credit to the protests, peaceful or otherwise. You have to kind of divorce yourself from moral judgments on violent responses (which I do think are wrong) and view them as an objective effect of bad policing.One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
The cops who would do the bad things are the exact same cops who really want a riot.
It isn't really enough to say burning a media van (for example) is bad. Of course it's bad. But it's also apparent that a burned police van in KC is one possible result of bad policing (locally and elsewhere). So let's do our best not to have bad policing -- not only because it will result in fewer lives lost as a proximate cause of the bad/unjust policing, but also because it will result in less violence/lives lost as a possible response.
When police do bad things, more bad things (and maybe even worse things) happen. So it becomes very important for police not to do bad things.
Holding police accountable for doing bad things would probably be a greater incentive for police not to do bad things.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 02, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
Ok, good idea let's make sure that happens every time so we don't have nationwide riots.Even if that were true (which who knows), the incentives still exist at the societal level. As some one who was finger wagging the violent protests over the last week (while still acknowledging that police action giving rise to it was reprehensible), my view on it has kind of changed, which is a credit to the protests, peaceful or otherwise. You have to kind of divorce yourself from moral judgments on violent responses (which I do think are wrong) and view them as an objective effect of bad policing.One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
The cops who would do the bad things are the exact same cops who really want a riot.
It isn't really enough to say burning a media van (for example) is bad. Of course it's bad. But it's also apparent that a burned police van in KC is one possible result of bad policing (locally and elsewhere). So let's do our best not to have bad policing -- not only because it will result in fewer lives lost as a proximate cause of the bad/unjust policing, but also because it will result in less violence/lives lost as a possible response.
When police do bad things, more bad things (and maybe even worse things) happen. So it becomes very important for police not to do bad things.
Holding police accountable for doing bad things would probably be a greater incentive for police not to do bad things.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2020, 10:32:52 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
If you consider the 3 cops who just stood around and let the other cop choke the guy out to be bad cops, then I'd say the % of good cops is pretty low.
Post by: Woogy on June 02, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Ok, good idea let's make sure that happens every time so we don't have nationwide riots.Even if that were true (which who knows), the incentives still exist at the societal level. As some one who was finger wagging the violent protests over the last week (while still acknowledging that police action giving rise to it was reprehensible), my view on it has kind of changed, which is a credit to the protests, peaceful or otherwise. You have to kind of divorce yourself from moral judgments on violent responses (which I do think are wrong) and view them as an objective effect of bad policing.One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
The cops who would do the bad things are the exact same cops who really want a riot.
It isn't really enough to say burning a media van (for example) is bad. Of course it's bad. But it's also apparent that a burned police van in KC is one possible result of bad policing (locally and elsewhere). So let's do our best not to have bad policing -- not only because it will result in fewer lives lost as a proximate cause of the bad/unjust policing, but also because it will result in less violence/lives lost as a possible response.
When police do bad things, more bad things (and maybe even worse things) happen. So it becomes very important for police not to do bad things.
Holding police accountable for doing bad things would probably be a greater incentive for police not to do bad things.
Its going to need to go deeper than that - the "How" part of how they accomplish their jobs is driven by the "What" as a society we are asking them to do:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/where-did-policing-go-wrong
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Why, he asked, do we even have police? After all, the history of policing in our country, especially as it pertains to minority neighborhoods, has always rested upon dubious justifications. The early American police forces evolved out of slave patrols in the South, and “progressed” to enforce the Black Codes from the Civil War period and beyond, on to Jim Crow through the late sixties if not longer.
In an explicit way, American policing has almost always been concerned on some level with enforcing racial separatism. Because Jim Crow police were upholding a way of life, the actual laws they were given to enforce were deliberately vague, designed to be easily used as pretexts for controlling the movements of black people.
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But the Garner story ended up graphically revealing the way modern “Broken Windows” policing had evolved to fit the tactics of those centuries of racial enforcement.
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The new strategies rely upon extremely high numbers of contacts between police and subject populations, who are stopped for every conceivable minor offense – public intoxication, public urination, riding bicycles the wrong way down a sidewalk, refusing to obey police orders, jumping subway turnstiles, and, in Garner’s case, selling loose cigarettes.
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“Broken Windows” revolutionized policing, changing it from a business of fighting crime to doing what Kelling described as “order maintenance.”
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Once again, police were charged with enforcing not rules but a way of life, and were asked again to view the law as more of a tool than an end in itself.
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Such aggressive, military-style policing would be not be tolerated by voters if it were taking place everywhere. It’s popular, and continues to be embraced by politicians in both parties, because it’s only happening in “those” neighborhoods (or, as Mike Bloomberg once put it, “where the crime is”).
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Basically we have two systems of enforcement in America, a minimalist one for people with political clout, and an intrusive one for everyone else. In the same way our army in Vietnam got in trouble when it started searching for ways to quantify the success of its occupation, choosing sociopathic metrics like “body counts” and “truck kills,” modern big-city policing has been corrupted by its lust for summonses, stops, and arrests. It’s made monsters where none needed to exist.
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The incentives in this system are wrong in every direction.
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The current protests are likely to inspire politicians to think the other way, but it’s probably time to reconsider what we’re trying to accomplish with this kind of policing. In upscale white America drug use is effectively decriminalized, and Terry stops, strip searches, and “quality of life” arrests are unknowns. The country isn’t going to heal as long as everyone else gets a knee in the neck.
Post by: treysolid on June 02, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
If you consider the 3 cops who just stood around and let the other cop choke the guy out to be bad cops, then I'd say the % of good cops is pretty low.
psst...purplewood...it's not about individual cops. it's the system. the whole system is bad. it's how cops are trained, it's how cops are incentivized, it's how they are paid, it's how they are taught to view themselves and their role in the communities they "serve", it's the laws they enforce, it's the toxic relationship between police and the judiciary, it's the predatory bail and bond system, it's the complete gutting of resources for public attorneys, it's the ENTIRE prison system, it's the parole system. It's literally everything. Every inch of it needs to be reformed.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 10:55:29 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
No, they are two different things. The current police system is "bad" and needs to change, regardless of what percentage of individual cops are "good". The presence of "good cops" does not mean the system of policing is good. I'd also argue that the only true "good cops" are ones that completely want to change the system, which I would guess is a pretty low percentage.
On the flip side, someone setting a van on fire does not mean people protesting the current law enforcement system are wrong.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 11:08:26 AM
I think the violent rioting does a lot to reduce overall support for change from the general population.Then I don't think the people you're referencing are acting logically.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 02, 2020, 11:10:15 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1267626627967725570
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 02, 2020, 11:10:52 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
No, they are two different things. The current police system is "bad" and needs to change, regardless of what percentage of individual cops are "good". The presence of "good cops" does not mean the system of policing is good. I'd also argue that the only true "good cops" are ones that completely want to change the system, which I would guess is a pretty low percentage.
On the flip side, someone setting a van on fire does not mean people protesting the current law enforcement system are wrong.
So to you and Tsolid, this is a hell of a lot more rational than, "eff all cops". I don't agree that the whole system needs to be revamped. I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there where the system works just fine and we can copy those examples instead of tearing it all down.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 11:13:27 AM
So to you and Tsolid, this is a hell of a lot more rational than, "eff all cops". I don't agree that the whole system needs to be revamped. I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there where the system works just fine and we can copy those examples instead of tearing it all down.
to be clear, eff all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2020, 11:14:53 AM
Oh, weird.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1267626627967725570
in the category of things we already knew
Post by: cfbandyman on June 02, 2020, 11:17:45 AM
Even if that were true (which who knows), the incentives still exist at the societal level. As some one who was finger wagging the violent protests over the last week (while still acknowledging that police action giving rise to it was reprehensible), my view on it has kind of changed, which is a credit to the protests, peaceful or otherwise. You have to kind of divorce yourself from moral judgments on violent responses (which I do think are wrong) and view them as an objective effect of bad policing.One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
If nothing else, don't do bad things because bad things lead to dangerous riots. You can argue about the legitimacy of dangerous riots, but it's clear that that's a possible effect. Whether or not the resulting violent riots are justified is pretty arbitrary.
The cops who would do the bad things are the exact same cops who really want a riot.
It isn't really enough to say burning a media van (for example) is bad. Of course it's bad. But it's also apparent that a burned police van in KC is one possible result of bad policing (locally and elsewhere). So let's do our best not to have bad policing -- not only because it will result in fewer lives lost as a proximate cause of the bad/unjust policing, but also because it will result in less violence/lives lost as a possible response.
When police do bad things, more bad things (and maybe even worse things) happen. So it becomes very important for police not to do bad things.
In general my views started to shade this way by watching all the videos of the protests and actually seeing how the majority of protesters behave, and then how the cops behave. Most protesters are doing what all protesters ever do, mostly chanting, walking, marching, sign holding, etc. But the cops? How have they reacted? With tear gas, rubber bullets, steam rolling through people both in the protest and bystanders. Like, we're literally watching you all being protested in large part for police brutality and you're literally showing police brutality in response.
So for me (along with seeing that meme about you can't protest like this! not that, no not that, not not that") that really encapsulates the true anger and desire to stop seeing a large amount of the police behave the way they have. And while you shouldn't torch crap, you shouldn't be violent, you're being met violently. It's the only sort of rational way in that situation for it to go. It's truly disheartening, but also truly what would happen in response.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
I think the violent rioting does a lot to reduce overall support for change from the general population.Then I don't think the people you're referencing are acting logically.
Yeah. I don't, either.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 02, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Oh, weird.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1267626627967725570
in the category of things we already knew
But, but, but Soros is behind the white supremacist group behind the antifa group!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2020, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: treysolid on June 02, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
No, they are two different things. The current police system is "bad" and needs to change, regardless of what percentage of individual cops are "good". The presence of "good cops" does not mean the system of policing is good. I'd also argue that the only true "good cops" are ones that completely want to change the system, which I would guess is a pretty low percentage.
On the flip side, someone setting a van on fire does not mean people protesting the current law enforcement system are wrong.
So to you and Tsolid, this is a hell of a lot more rational than, "eff all cops". I don't agree that the whole system needs to be revamped. I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there where the system works just fine and we can copy those examples instead of tearing it all down.
Because you're living a very privileged life. I would encourage you to talk to as many black and brown people as you can and listen to their experiences with law enforcement and the judicial system here in america
Post by: mocat on June 02, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
Post by: treysolid on June 02, 2020, 12:02:52 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/06/riots-are-american-way-george-floyd-protests/612466/?utm_source=digg (https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/06/riots-are-american-way-george-floyd-protests/612466/?utm_source=digg)
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 02, 2020, 12:25:56 PM
So to you and Tsolid, this is a hell of a lot more rational than, "eff all cops". I don't agree that the whole system needs to be revamped. I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there where the system works just fine and we can copy those examples instead of tearing it all down.
to be clear, eff all cops
Well that's nice! How incredibly ignorant, pathetic and sad.
Post by: nicname on June 02, 2020, 12:27:42 PM
eff.
https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1267696333869088768
This should have been obvious to everyone from jump.
Post by: catastrophe on June 02, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
Kellie Carter Jackson hits this one out of the park.They’re solid points other than failing to address that the types of violent protests and revolutions held up as exemplars occurred over 200 years ago, with relatively successful nonviolent movements led by MLK, Ghandi, and Mandela since then.
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/06/riots-are-american-way-george-floyd-protests/612466/?utm_source=digg (https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/06/riots-are-american-way-george-floyd-protests/612466/?utm_source=digg)
I don’t think we’re wrong to hold the nonviolent movements up as the goal, but I definitely keep coming back to Kap and other athletes peacefully protesting the exact same stuff and being told it wasn’t the right way. We’re reaping what we sewed in that regard.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 12:55:09 PM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
Also poorly worded. No doubt, there are some garbage/racist cops out there but this statement would make one assume that all cops are bad guys.
"cops" refers to the broken system of policing and anyone who is a cop that supports the current system
Post by: IPA4Me on June 02, 2020, 01:01:07 PM
[tweet]1267871444685459460[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1267854250605981696 (https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1267854250605981696)
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 02, 2020, 01:11:31 PM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
No, they are two different things. The current police system is "bad" and needs to change, regardless of what percentage of individual cops are "good". The presence of "good cops" does not mean the system of policing is good. I'd also argue that the only true "good cops" are ones that completely want to change the system, which I would guess is a pretty low percentage.
On the flip side, someone setting a van on fire does not mean people protesting the current law enforcement system are wrong.
So to you and Tsolid, this is a hell of a lot more rational than, "eff all cops". I don't agree that the whole system needs to be revamped. I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there where the system works just fine and we can copy those examples instead of tearing it all down.
Because you're living a very privileged life. I would encourage you to talk to as many black and brown people as you can and listen to their experiences with law enforcement and the judicial system here in america
Wait what, I am? No crap. You on the other hand I'm sure have traveled this great country far and wide and know exactly the trials and tribulations that the "black and brown" people have suffered eh? gmafb with this painting of the broad brush. It gets tiresome. Change will need to happen so I agree with you. I just don't think it needs to be stripped down to it's core and it doesn't have anything to do with how privileged my life is.
What are YOU currently doing to start this 'stripping down' of the system? Hopefully more than just continuing to pound on your keyboard in this forum? Not that you haven't done a bang-up job..
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
Post by: Cire on June 02, 2020, 01:14:17 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2020, 01:17:51 PM
RIP Omaha. Your governor is a racist.
[tweet]1267871444685459460[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1267854250605981696 (https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1267854250605981696)
Watched the video but not going to read the article, does it ever say what his problem with "you people" is? Maybe it's that they are just too darn likable?
Grey area
Post by: nicname on June 02, 2020, 01:22:33 PM
Pensacola protesters present list of demands they hope will create change
https://weartv.com/news/local/pensacola-protesters-present-list-of-demands-they-hope-will-create-change
https://twitter.com/CarolynCerdaTV/status/1267715846186688514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fweartv.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fpensacola-protesters-present-list-of-demands-they-hope-will-create-change
Starting to get somewhere.
Post by: 8manpick on June 02, 2020, 01:28:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.
For me, it's a compass statement. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know the details but I know enough to be sure that what we currently have sucks. I cited Camden as a potential model that looks positive but I don't know enough about the situation. I'd defer to experts to determine how best to change.
Also, I encourage anyone interested in learning about our law enforcement system and mass incarceration to read this:
https://www.amazon.com/New-Jim-Crow-Incarceration-Colorblindness/dp/1595586431
(really, everyone in the US should read this)
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 01:54:44 PM
Yet another reason I don't think this is the best way to "control" protests.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2020, 02:04:11 PM
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2020, 02:07:08 PM
The cops acting crazy should be very easy to identify and fire. If the cops standing near them refuse to identify them, cities should just replace their entire police force.
Ya, union workers are extremely easy to fire lmao
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 02:09:26 PM
One thing I've drawn from this that is a bit of a new revelation for me and I think a beneficial outcome of some of even the uglier scenes of violence in the protests is this: Police doing unjust things (and especially using violence unjustly) creates a public safety concern beyond their own limited bad act. That's a pretty constructive disincentive for police to keep in mind moving forward.
Say it louder for the people in the back.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 02:13:47 PM
The cops acting crazy should be very easy to identify and fire. If the cops standing near them refuse to identify them, cities should just replace their entire police force.
Yes this is the reasonable answer. We can't get people to be cops now let's just hire 10,000 new ones.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 02, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
The cops acting crazy should be very easy to identify and fire. If the cops standing near them refuse to identify them, cities should just replace their entire police force.
Yes this is the reasonable answer. We can't get people to be cops now let's just hire 10,000 new ones.
Or you know, keep employed the ones who can't handle themselves and get us into this situation in the first place. Maybe with new ones you can IDK, train them to actually be good cops
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
The cops acting crazy should be very easy to identify and fire. If the cops standing near them refuse to identify them, cities should just replace their entire police force.
Yes this is the reasonable answer. We can't get people to be cops now let's just hire 10,000 new ones.
Or you know, keep employed the ones who can't handle themselves and get us into this situation in the first place. Maybe with new ones you can IDK, train them to actually be good cops
So what by next weekend just rotate them out?
Obviously there are huge issues but fire the entire police force is not a solution.
Post by: treysolid on June 02, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
Kellie Carter Jackson hits this one out of the park.They’re solid points other than failing to address that the types of violent protests and revolutions held up as exemplars occurred over 200 years ago, with relatively successful nonviolent movements led by MLK, Ghandi, and Mandela since then.
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/06/riots-are-american-way-george-floyd-protests/612466/?utm_source=digg (https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/06/riots-are-american-way-george-floyd-protests/612466/?utm_source=digg)
I don’t think we’re wrong to hold the nonviolent movements up as the goal, but I definitely keep coming back to Kap and other athletes peacefully protesting the exact same stuff and being told it wasn’t the right way. We’re reaping what we sewed in that regard.
Some historical context is appropriate:
Mandela - a movement in a country where the oppressed population was also the majority population. Peaceful protests were, by and large, successful.
Ghandi - a movement in a country where the oppressed population was also the majority population. Peaceful protests were successful.
MLK - a movement in our country, where the oppressed population is also the MINORITY population. Peaceful protests ended in MLK getting his wig split.
White america: "Oh, that's a cute little peaceful protest you got going on there...BLAM!!"
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 02:22:43 PM
It's crazy how every dumbass cop in america thinks people are coming from out of state to their state to cause problems
https://twitter.com/morenabasteiro/status/1267589169695666176
the richmond police chief did the same thing when he lied about the protesters trying to burn down a house with a baby in it. Like who the eff cares about Richmond, Virginia but residents of Richmond?
This dickwad is the chief :ROFL: I saw this on tv last night and I thought it was just some rando beat cop, I was laughing at how stupid he sounded.
Post by: treysolid on June 02, 2020, 02:34:21 PM
I guess because i'm not out there too right now. I fully support the message of the protest. My apologies if I worded it wrongly.I don't think setting news vehicles on fire is helping their cause, though.
why isn't it your cause too?
:thumbs: don't let a news van burned by some knuckleheads make you forget that cops are the bad guys here!
I think you should be able to say that about the reverse here too correct? There are good cops right?. I'm curious what % of bad cops you think there are?
No, they are two different things. The current police system is "bad" and needs to change, regardless of what percentage of individual cops are "good". The presence of "good cops" does not mean the system of policing is good. I'd also argue that the only true "good cops" are ones that completely want to change the system, which I would guess is a pretty low percentage.
On the flip side, someone setting a van on fire does not mean people protesting the current law enforcement system are wrong.
So to you and Tsolid, this is a hell of a lot more rational than, "eff all cops". I don't agree that the whole system needs to be revamped. I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there where the system works just fine and we can copy those examples instead of tearing it all down.
Because you're living a very privileged life. I would encourage you to talk to as many black and brown people as you can and listen to their experiences with law enforcement and the judicial system here in america
Wait what, I am? No crap. You on the other hand I'm sure have traveled this great country far and wide and know exactly the trials and tribulations that the "black and brown" people have suffered eh? gmafb with this painting of the broad brush. It gets tiresome. Change will need to happen so I agree with you. I just don't think it needs to be stripped down to it's core and it doesn't have anything to do with how privileged my life is.
What are YOU currently doing to start this 'stripping down' of the system? Hopefully more than just continuing to pound on your keyboard in this forum? Not that you haven't done a bang-up job..
You don't think that your privilege creates a color-blindness to how broken our law enforcement and justice system are? You don't see the other half - there's really two different systems in the country. One for white people and one for everyone else. You don't think the whole thing needs to be replaced because you only see the half that applies to you.
As for me...what I'm trying my best to do is to be an ally to my black and brown friends. My best friend of 20+ years is black. I get texts from him..."got pulled over for DWB again today"..."I was walking down the street and some cops stopped me bc I 'fit a description'"...etc. etc.
When was the last time YOU fit a rough ridin' description? I know I never have.
So I try to educate my fellow white people whenever I hear them saying ignorant crap, bc that's how I can do my part.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 02:49:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 03:44:14 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 03:50:33 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):That guy skips a lot of steps. Its entire premise is the dubious assumption that the existence of poor people is something unique to capitalism. Which leads to crime which leads to excessive policing.
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
Did I miss the study that says communist countries don't have crime?
Post by: Institutional Control on June 02, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
I think I'll pass on the getting rid of capitalism thing. Dorks (both of you).
Open your mind, Spracs. Tiananmen Square protests only lasted 2 days.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 02, 2020, 03:54:27 PM
The cops acting crazy should be very easy to identify and fire. If the cops standing near them refuse to identify them, cities should just replace their entire police force.
Yes this is the reasonable answer. We can't get people to be cops now let's just hire 10,000 new ones.
Or you know, keep employed the ones who can't handle themselves and get us into this situation in the first place. Maybe with new ones you can IDK, train them to actually be good cops
So what by next weekend just rotate them out?
Obviously there are huge issues but fire the entire police force is not a solution.
I don't think I said you had to fire all of them, but you sure as crap better start sometime. Or it'll never happen. I also see quite the 1:1 correlation between the police being there and an escalation of violence. There are a lot of cases already where you see a video of a cop unable to handle this job, you're done. It's that simple. That isn't all of them.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 03:57:02 PM
A nationwide law addressing how cops are trained in human relations and non violent conflict resolution, required equipment (cameras), incident resolution outside of their own department, funded, less military ewuipment, paid a good salary so it becomes a diserable job be a huge step. Breaking down the FOP somehow would be a real game changer.
I would start with the prompt of "what would policing look like if cops didn't have guns?" and take it from there. (cops shouldn't have guns)
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 03:58:51 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
I don't think his issue is capitalism but America's bastardized version of capitalism. In that same vain, I don't think the places in Europe that people slap a socialism label on are actually socialist. I don't know the guy at all, but it's hard for me to believe he's actually a communist. Does he have the receipts, if you will, to show that he believes everything belongs to everyone?
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):That guy skips a lot of steps. Its entire premise is the dubious assumption that the existence of poor people is something unique to capitalism. Which leads to crime which leads to excessive policing.
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
Did I miss the study that says communist countries don't have crime?
He would probably argue that communism has never been done right. I personally think he's an idealist with no real plan.
Regardless, I think it's interesting to think of crime and poverty from a perspective of "capitalism needs poor people to work" and how you could address it without going pulling a full Mao.
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly). And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):That guy skips a lot of steps. Its entire premise is the dubious assumption that the existence of poor people is something unique to capitalism. Which leads to crime which leads to excessive policing.
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
Did I miss the study that says communist countries don't have crime?
He would probably argue that communism has never been done right. I personally think he's an idealist with no real plan.
Regardless, I think it's interesting to think of crime and poverty from a perspective of "capitalism needs poor people to work" and how you could address it without going pulling a full Mao.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 04:09:53 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
I don't think his issue is capitalism but America's bastardized version of capitalism. In that same vain, I don't think the places in Europe that people slap a socialism label on are actually socialist. I don't know the guy at all, but it's hard for me to believe he's actually a communist. Does he have the receipts, if you will, to show that he believes everything belongs to everyone?
I'm surprised you don't know Boots. I don't think the label matters much, but here's a quick interview clip.
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/08/sorry-to-bother-you-boots-riley-interview
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You’ve been outspoken in all of your interviews that you are a communist. When Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! referred to you as an “anticapitalist,” you responded, “I’m a communist.” What do you mean when you say you’re a communist, and how is that different from your garden-variety anticapitalist?
In actuality, it’s not. Most people that are seriously calling themselves anticapitalist are usually doing that as some version of anarchist, or something like that. I feel like a lot of the anarchists that would call themselves anticapitalist also might call themselves anarcho-socialist and anarcho-syndicalist. When you talk about what they’re actually saying, the kind of world they want to make [is a communist world].
What is that world, though?
That world, how I’ve come to describe it, is one where the people democratically control the wealth that they create with their labor. What does that mean? Does that mean democracy like you vote on things? Are there meetings? Those are things that will be figured out along the way.
I say communist because that’s really what all those folks are talking about. It’s really a result of anticommunism that people sometimes call themselves anarchists. A lot of people will hear this and be like, “That’s not true.” But it’s a way to say, “I’m not part of those mistakes that happened before.” In reality, we all are part of those mistakes that happened before.
Whether you call yourself a child of that legacy or not, you are. We have to look at those things. So that is why I say “communist,” because the world that even anarchists are saying they want to create is a communist world.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 04:16:29 PM
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly). And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.
I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2020, 04:26:58 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 04:35:23 PM
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly). And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.
I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?
Let me guess, poverty? If only it were that simple. But even if it were, the poor will be with us always (Jesus's words, not mine). We can't control outcomes. We can, however, strive to guarantee equal protection under law. Blowing up capitalism is a really stupid idea as a solution, and I think that Boots fellow is a bloody idiot, after reading some of his stuff. He's good at putting labels on certain ideas to lend an air of academia to what he's talking about, but that's about it. I don't think I'll be paying any further attention to him going forward.
Post by: mocat on June 02, 2020, 04:36:06 PM
Post by: mocat on June 02, 2020, 04:39:53 PM
https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1267931902763294721?s=20
https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1267933776157511681?s=20
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 04:58:02 PM
Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly). And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.
I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?
Let me guess, poverty? If only it were that simple. But even if it were, the poor will be with us always (Jesus's words, not mine). We can't control outcomes.
I think poverty is a major driver! I don't think you need to 100% completely eliminate poverty to make an impact on incarceration rates. And I don't think it's an outcome that is completely out of our control.
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We can, however, strive to guarantee equal protection under law.
If only it were that simple
Post by: Purple Derpathy on June 02, 2020, 05:00:34 PM
https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1267931902763294721?s=20
https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1267933776157511681?s=20
Was just asking about this yesterday and wondering what would happen. Beta test initiated........
Hope things are peaceful tonight.
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 02, 2020, 05:29:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/1267918269798850563Lol. Haven't opened but I'm sure the responses are great
Post by: nicname on June 02, 2020, 05:31:49 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic
There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 05:33:27 PM
If the argument is “less poverty=less crime=less police brutality” then yeah I agree. I don’t think that point is what he’s going for or very controversial.Of course he would -- it's the classic "no true Scottsman" approach to any evidence suggesting that "communism" has been tried multiple times and the results haven't been great (to put it lightly). And certainly haven't eradicated the destitution and crime -- two things that have existed in every society ever.
I get it, but I don't think you need to find an example of a communist country that has completely eliminated crime for his point to have some validity. How do our incarceration and crime rates compare to the rest of the world? What drives that?
The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 05:34:16 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic
There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.
who is the non-black person here? me?
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 05:38:21 PM
The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty.I think you're getting lost in the weeds
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 05:43:45 PM
I think any novel force his argument could possibly have falls apart with barely any scrutiny.The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty.I think you're getting lost in the weeds
Without “Communism=less poverty,” all he’s saying is that police brutality wouldn’t happen as often if fewer people were poor, which, duh.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 05:54:44 PM
I think any novel force his argument could possibly have falls apart with barely any scrutiny.The disconnect that exists is when he implicitly argues capital C Communism=less poverty.I think you're getting lost in the weeds
Without “Communism=less poverty,” all he’s saying is that police brutality wouldn’t happen as often if fewer people were poor, which, duh.
you probably stopped reading, but he actually called for a general strike as a short term way to call attention to and impact police brutality. which is in all practicality difficult given the recent covid adjustment but again it's an interesting perspective
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266853472286081024
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266853473867272192
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2020, 05:57:34 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic
There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.
who is the non-black person here? me?
I’m not referring to posters on this board.
Post by: nicname on June 02, 2020, 06:01:04 PM
here's a different perspective from Boots Riley who is a full-on true proud communist and is pretty extreme even for me (thread):
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1266851333438500865
I still enjoy reading his thoughts
It’s becoming clear that a lot of non-black people who are upset about their station in life are trying to exploit this event for their own selfish reasons and it’s fuckn pathetic
There are always usurpers. This is one of the more disgusting displays.
who is the non-black person here? me?
I’m not referring to posters on this board.
Same.
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
As you point out there’s not going to be a general strike because people want to continue buying stuff - even if there hasn’t been covid.
All it is is Marxist fanfic.
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2020, 06:25:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/1267956666097709062
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 02, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 02, 2020, 06:34:14 PM
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 07:31:42 PM
The police reaction to all of this kind of seems like they are staging their own violent protest against having to protect minorities.
yes.
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 07:38:48 PM
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.
https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000
https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
Post by: DQ12 on June 02, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
Yeah I agree with almost all of that - depending on the extent of "legalize drugs."The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.
https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000
https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
I wonder what wood would (lol) object to from that list, if any.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 07:47:21 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 07:55:29 PM
https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1267931902763294721?s=20
https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1267933776157511681?s=20
This drives me insane. Days ago many of us called.for this
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
Hell yeah
https://twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/1267956666097709062
This is giving me a raging clue.
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2020, 08:05:26 PM
Yep
https://twitter.com/hannah_natanson/status/1267983707362729985
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2020, 08:11:56 PM
https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/1267981051047096321
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ShinobiHaruka/status/1267980629150298114
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2020, 08:13:38 PM
The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.
https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000
https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
When it comes to hiring, beggars can’t be choosers
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 08:24:22 PM
stop hiring them
so no more police is your answer?
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 08:36:14 PM
https://twitter.com/AuthorKimberley/status/1267988964398583809
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 08:44:01 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Did anybody say that? Would you be rehiring BETTER people under the current situation?
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 08:44:55 PM
Would you be rehiring BETTER people under the current situation?
yes.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 08:46:13 PM
Yeah it would be a good startstop hiring them
so no more police is your answer?
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2020, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
Would you be rehiring BETTER people under the current situation?
yes.
I'm listening. There are open cop jobs now.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 08:52:09 PM
Yeah it would be a good startstop hiring them
so no more police is your answer?
if you mean don't net add to PD forces I'm probably okay with that overall. Clams might disagree but I agree their budgets and numbers are probably big enough, they just need to use them better.
Post by: nicname on June 02, 2020, 08:58:03 PM
A demonstration at 21st and Maize tonight is a different story. While I'm hopeful for the best, I can really see things turning south here.
https://twitter.com/travisheying/status/1267975015850487808/photo/2
Some other tweet stuff
https://twitter.com/NolanRothKAKE/status/1267987178577068033
https://twitter.com/NolanRothKAKE/status/1267981644251758598
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
Post by: 8manpick on June 02, 2020, 09:09:10 PM
Good point, needs to be full legalization across the boardYeah I agree with almost all of that - depending on the extent of "legalize drugs."The problem is phrases like "the whole system needs revamped" is such a vague statement that I think wood and rusty are probably imagining two different things.
https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1267815281503744000
https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1266882449021296640
I wonder what wood would (lol) object to from that list, if any.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 09:14:10 PM
https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/1267918269798850563
Annnd we've witnessed the shark being jumped, eff those guys.
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 09:16:34 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 09:21:11 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:23:51 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 09:24:40 PM
I read an article a few years ago about how they can’t hire them fast enough here in socal due to the extremely high turnover but I’m sure you all could fix the problem given the opportunity.
The high turnover is a can be helped by reforms.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:27:42 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 09:28:56 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer
Who is "they"? How much of the public bemoan any crime that "we need MORE cops".
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 09:31:32 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:35:55 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:39:53 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
My "exactly" was more about the other points. I don't know the salary of a cop nationwide so I'll go with your numbers but I do know it tends to be lower in the cities where it needs to be higher (KCMO/KCK is what I know specifically). So if the salary is so great, why aren't we getting more people who want to make changes within the PD to become cops?
No doubt reforms are needed.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 09:41:36 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer
Who is "they"? How much of the public bemoan any crime that "we need MORE cops".
In this case "they" are the people in charge of hiring cops.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 09:45:07 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer
Who is "they"? How much of the public bemoan any crime that "we need MORE cops".
In this case "they" are the people in charge of hiring cops.
So the cities controlling the budget and chief (KCMO excluded)? Sure. Again the public just keeps asking for more cops. I've said for years thats not the answer but the general public thinks it is. The poulation of quality citizens wanting to be a cop doesn't increase, hence we hire power hungry people at a wage not equal to the risk/hate.
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 09:46:07 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
You might be right about what all I would include in "living wage," but where are your statistics coming from? I actually looked up the average and starting salaries for cops in Dallas before I posted, and those numbers were lower than yours.
Anyway, I agree that reforms are needed. I have traveled extensively and briefly lived abroad. Part of what makes policing in the U.S. different from almost everywhere else is that Americans are armed to the teeth. That's the bugaboo in all of this.
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
Given their qualifications and alternatives they get paid well in large metros in most areas of the country which speaks to how bad the job apparently is re: the high turnover.
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2020, 09:54:30 PM
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 09:59:57 PM
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out).
depends completely on the jurisdiction. there are lots of places were police are well paid blue collar jobs.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 02, 2020, 10:00:54 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 10:01:15 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:02:18 PM
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out).
depends completely on the jurisdiction. there are lots of places were police are well paid blue collar jobs.
It's not nearly enough given their task.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 10:04:57 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
You might be right about what all I would include in "living wage," but where are your statistics coming from? I actually looked up the average and starting salaries for cops in Dallas before I posted, and those numbers were lower than yours.
Anyway, I agree that reforms are needed. I have traveled extensively and briefly lived abroad. Part of what makes policing in the U.S. different from almost everywhere else is that Americans are armed to the teeth. That's the bugaboo in all of this.
I'd assume police salaries are public record, everywhere. Those sites like glassdoor who guess salaries tend to guess low across all industries.
http://db.desmoinesregister.com/des-moines-city-salaries/page=1&ordercol=col13&orderdir=asc&searchterms%5Bcol2%7Ccol4%5D=&searchterms%5Bcol14%5D=2017&searchterms%5Bcol5%5D=&searchterms%5Bcol6%5D=
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 10:06:03 PM
It's not nearly enough given their task.
people say that about every job. police officer isn't the most dangerous or (anywhere close to) the hardest job around. not that salary correlates to either.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 10:07:21 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer
Who is "they"? How much of the public bemoan any crime that "we need MORE cops".
In this case "they" are the people in charge of hiring cops.
So the cities controlling the budget and chief (KCMO excluded)? Sure. Again the public just keeps asking for more cops. I've said for years thats not the answer but the general public thinks it is. The poulation of quality citizens wanting to be a cop doesn't increase, hence we hire power hungry people at a wage not equal to the risk/hate.
Yeah, in general the public wants lots of low paid goons as well. Or at least they have up to now.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:07:35 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
I like all of these. I'd add in a lot more training for PD in how to disarm violent conventation and self-control especially given in the short term we're not going to be able to flip over PD personnel overnight.
Like you said, these are all long term things and we've been dealing with this for way longer than we've been alive so what reforms are we going to make that are going to make more minorities want to be cops or am I just dealing with cops are fucktards till I'm dead?
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:10:01 PM
It's not nearly enough given their task.
people say that about every job. police officer isn't the most dangerous or (anywhere close to) the hardest job around. not that salary correlates to either.
Hmmm, arm them with guns and tell them to go confront criminals 24x7. I'm not sure what "most dangerous" job means to you but few sane persons wants to do that. They either have a huge desire to help the community (few of them) or a raging boner to have power (lot of them) at these paygrades.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:11:47 PM
There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
And why is that? Because they don't care if they get shitty people. If they cared about getting good people, they'd pay more and try to make it safer
Who is "they"? How much of the public bemoan any crime that "we need MORE cops".
In this case "they" are the people in charge of hiring cops.
So the cities controlling the budget and chief (KCMO excluded)? Sure. Again the public just keeps asking for more cops. I've said for years thats not the answer but the general public thinks it is. The poulation of quality citizens wanting to be a cop doesn't increase, hence we hire power hungry people at a wage not equal to the risk/hate.
Yeah, in general the public wants lots of low paid goons as well. Or at least they have up to now.
agreed. The general public needs to demand change too. Max cop per dollar isn't working despite what they've been asking for.
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2020, 10:12:24 PM
https://twitter.com/gramsofgnats/status/1268015907449655296
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 10:13:11 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
Given their qualifications and alternatives they get paid well in large metros in most areas of the country which speaks to how bad the job apparently is re: the high turnover.
The man said they aren't paid well and that isn't factual. They make enough to be able to hire, if they don't that's pretty easy to fix. I just listed starting salaries in a metropolitan area in one of the lowest cost of living in the country over $50,000. That can easily be fixed everywhere, it isn't like civilians have any thing to do with salaries, they're public employees.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out).
depends completely on the jurisdiction. there are lots of places were police are well paid blue collar jobs.
It's not nearly enough given their task.
You both know that they have the ability to make the task decidedly less shitty right? Working in beef packing plants is a crap job, it was much more shitty before Upton Sinclair shamed the industry and the government into fixing it. Making the job better is precisely why reforms are needed.
Post by: nicname on June 02, 2020, 10:14:14 PM
https://twitter.com/o_tilli_a/status/1267990960832679943?s=20
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 10:17:13 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
This is a great post, and I agree with everything, although I don't think racial quotas in hiring would be constitutional. Well, actually the current state of the law is that it would definitely not be constitutional if that is an official hiring policy. However, it IS constitutional to accomplish the same thing by not saying that's what you're doing. Go figure.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:18:09 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
Given their qualifications and alternatives they get paid well in large metros in most areas of the country which speaks to how bad the job apparently is re: the high turnover.
The man said they aren't paid well and that isn't factual. They make enough to be able to hire, if they don't that's pretty easy to fix. I just listed starting salaries in a metropolitan area in one of the lowest cost of living in the country over $50,000. That can easily be fixed everywhere, it isn't like civilians have any thing to do with salaries, they're public employees.It's barely a living wage (at least starting out).
depends completely on the jurisdiction. there are lots of places were police are well paid blue collar jobs.
It's not nearly enough given their task.
You both know that they have the ability to make the task decidedly less shitty right? Working in beef packing plants is a crap job, it was much more shitty before Upton Sinclair shamed the industry and the government into fixing it. Making the job better is precisely why reforms are needed.
I agree we should make the job better for cops. Still their job will always be enforce laws. Changing the dumb laws they have to enforce will take longer than your other list.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
I like all of these. I'd add in a lot more training for PD in how to disarm violent conventation and self-control especially given in the short term we're not going to be able to flip over PD personnel overnight.
Like you said, these are all long term things and we've been dealing with this for way longer than we've been alive so what reforms are we going to make that are going to make more minorities want to be cops or am I just dealing with cops are fucktards till I'm dead?
Yes, you will but that's largely due to police unions and most of the public not actually having the appetite to demand change and hold elected officials accountable who won't force the changes needed.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:23:47 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
I like all of these. I'd add in a lot more training for PD in how to disarm violent conventation and self-control especially given in the short term we're not going to be able to flip over PD personnel overnight.
Like you said, these are all long term things and we've been dealing with this for way longer than we've been alive so what reforms are we going to make that are going to make more minorities want to be cops or am I just dealing with cops are fucktards till I'm dead?
Yes, you will but that's largely due to police unions and most of the public not actually having the appetite to demand change and hold elected officials accountable who won't force the changes needed.
So #4 or not? The FOP is definatley a bigger problem than any one PD.
I don't know many in the public who don't have the appetite for change.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 10:28:09 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
Given their qualifications and alternatives they get paid well in large metros in most areas of the country which speaks to how bad the job apparently is re: the high turnover.
The man said they aren't paid well and that isn't factual. They make enough to be able to hire, if they don't that's pretty easy to fix. I just listed starting salaries in a metropolitan area in one of the lowest cost of living in the country over $50,000. That can easily be fixed everywhere, it isn't like civilians have any thing to do with salaries, they're public employees.It's barely a living wage (at least starting out).
depends completely on the jurisdiction. there are lots of places were police are well paid blue collar jobs.
It's not nearly enough given their task.
You both know that they have the ability to make the task decidedly less shitty right? Working in beef packing plants is a crap job, it was much more shitty before Upton Sinclair shamed the industry and the government into fixing it. Making the job better is precisely why reforms are needed.
I agree we should make the job better for cops. Still their job will always be enforce laws. Changing the dumb laws they have to enforce will take longer than your other list.
Phil, I like you but this is a tired excuse. Only in third world counties and banana republics are cops viewed the way that they are here. In the developed world our relationship with officers is unique and we're rightfully mocked for it. Those places have the same laws that we do, including drug laws for the most part. This is a problem of their own creation.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:28:19 PM
https://twitter.com/fox4kc/status/1268020631754375171
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:33:00 PM
Exactly. Pretty ridiculous.There are open cop jobs now.
unemployment rate is what, 15% currently? if they can't hire good people now, it's because they're not trying to hire good people.
It's barely a living wage (at least starting out), and requires background checks, physical and mental evaluations, and passing the academy. Oh, and you're in potentially dangerous situations every day. And everybody hates you.
Either the two of you have no idea what cops make or you have no concept of "barely a living wage." The nationwide average salary of a cop is over $60,000. Starting salaries here in Des Moines are $53,000
And everyone hates then because reforms are needed, travel other places, they don't think of the police the same way we do here.
Given their qualifications and alternatives they get paid well in large metros in most areas of the country which speaks to how bad the job apparently is re: the high turnover.
The man said they aren't paid well and that isn't factual. They make enough to be able to hire, if they don't that's pretty easy to fix. I just listed starting salaries in a metropolitan area in one of the lowest cost of living in the country over $50,000. That can easily be fixed everywhere, it isn't like civilians have any thing to do with salaries, they're public employees.It's barely a living wage (at least starting out).
depends completely on the jurisdiction. there are lots of places were police are well paid blue collar jobs.
It's not nearly enough given their task.
You both know that they have the ability to make the task decidedly less shitty right? Working in beef packing plants is a crap job, it was much more shitty before Upton Sinclair shamed the industry and the government into fixing it. Making the job better is precisely why reforms are needed.
I agree we should make the job better for cops. Still their job will always be enforce laws. Changing the dumb laws they have to enforce will take longer than your other list.
Phil, I like you but this is a tired excuse. Only in third world counties and banana republics are cops viewed the way that they are here. In the developed world our relationship with officers is unique and we're rightfully mocked for it. Those places have the same laws that we do, including drug laws for the most part. This is a problem of their own creation.
Not blaming the laws alone at all. We do have a a lot of dumb laws but I do think prioritization of which are enforced more staunchly by the PD in America needs to be reformed and that again is probably not something the PD decides alone but politicians leaning into to PD leaderhsip. Add it to the list.
I'm not willing to accept that this is how US citizens and PD has to be until I'm gone.
Post by: sys on June 02, 2020, 10:48:28 PM
I'm not sure what "most dangerous" job means to you but few sane persons wants to do that. They either have a huge desire to help the community (few of them) or a raging boner to have power (lot of them) at these paygrades.
https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf
the fact that you (and i) don't know people that want to be cops doesn't mean they don't exist. it means that you and i exist in different social circles from those people. it's a fairly well-paid, fairly high-prestige blue collar job.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 02, 2020, 10:56:27 PM
I'm not sure what "most dangerous" job means to you but few sane persons wants to do that. They either have a huge desire to help the community (few of them) or a raging boner to have power (lot of them) at these paygrades.
https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf
the fact that you (and i) don't know people that want to be cops doesn't mean they don't exist. it means that you and i exist in different social circles from those people. it's a fairly well-paid, fairly high-prestige blue collar job.
I know people who wanted to be cops. Who are cops. By and large they shouldn't be cops (edit: given the training I know they didn't get to modify their attitudes/behaviors). Would paying cops more change those who want to be cops? I'm not sure.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 11:13:56 PM
I'm not sure what "most dangerous" job means to you but few sane persons wants to do that. They either have a huge desire to help the community (few of them) or a raging boner to have power (lot of them) at these paygrades.
https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf
the fact that you (and i) don't know people that want to be cops doesn't mean they don't exist. it means that you and i exist in different social circles from those people. it's a fairly well-paid, fairly high-prestige blue collar job.
I know people who wanted to be cops. Who are cops. By and large they shouldn't be cops (edit: given the training I know they didn't get to modify their attitudes/behaviors). Would paying cops more change those who want to be cops? I'm not sure.
Absolutely not.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 02, 2020, 11:15:42 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 11:28:42 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 02, 2020, 11:31:47 PM
lol what a joke. Content was directed to dear leader.Well? What did you say?
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 02, 2020, 11:36:55 PM
Lot of F bombs calling him a bone spur coward type stuff. Maybe some female organ name calling. I guess I also commented strongly on the Steve King defeat calling him a rough ridin' racist piece of crap. I do feel better getting this all off my chest jbhlol what a joke. Content was directed to dear leader.Well? What did you say?
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2020, 11:40:25 PM
Lot of F bombs calling him a bone spur coward type stuff. Maybe some female organ name calling. I guess I also commented strongly on the Steve King defeat calling him a rough ridin' racist piece of crap. I do feel better getting this all off my chest jbhlol what a joke. Content was directed to dear leader.Well? What did you say?
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I mean that's my entire thread, you sure you didn't threaten him? I got the 12 hours for telling some dude to eat crap and die because he was talking crap on Holly Rowe. I got the three days for calling Candace Owens a coon.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 02, 2020, 11:53:04 PM
Lot of F bombs calling him a bone spur coward type stuff. Maybe some female organ name calling. I guess I also commented strongly on the Steve King defeat calling him a rough ridin' racist piece of crap. I do feel better getting this all off my chest jbhlol what a joke. Content was directed to dear leader.Well? What did you say?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200603/5091b674f869b43d6bf1fae4da65df45.plist)
I mean that's my entire thread, you sure you didn't threaten him? I got the 12 hours for telling some dude to eat crap and die because he was talking crap on Holly Rowe. I got the three days for calling Candace Owens a coon.
No threats, just strong words. I feel like both POS's needed to hear it, they didn't, but I feel better saying it.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2020, 11:54:50 PM
Re: pay
https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1268034453059895296
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 12:09:28 AM
https://www.pscp.tv/w/caXOgjIxNDY1MjN8MWdxeHZFckFMckFKQu243Jd5lKwOj3Ef5L3D8yOGxUbjLg66DJPfrJYNpjah
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
https://twitter.com/EliTheTVGuy/status/1268038857859256327?s=20
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 12:12:15 AM
https://www.pscp.tv/w/caXOgjIxNDY1MjN8MWdxeHZFckFMckFKQu243Jd5lKwOj3Ef5L3D8yOGxUbjLg66DJPfrJYNpjah
I'd been thinking about firing up the periscope. nice find.
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 12:13:58 AM
https://www.pscp.tv/w/caXOgjIxNDY1MjN8MWdxeHZFckFMckFKQu243Jd5lKwOj3Ef5L3D8yOGxUbjLg66DJPfrJYNpjah
I'd been thinking about firing up the periscope. nice find.
Your CFS is a block from this.
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 12:17:41 AM
https://www.pscp.tv/w/caXOgjIxNDY1MjN8MWdxeHZFckFMckFKQu243Jd5lKwOj3Ef5L3D8yOGxUbjLg66DJPfrJYNpjah
I'd been thinking about firing up the periscope. nice find.
Your CFS is a block from this.
:lol:
Theyre chanting "S-P-D suck my dick.."
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 12:31:28 AM
https://twitter.com/NolanRothKAKE/status/1268009207414042633?s=20
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 01:42:52 AM
https://www.pscp.tv/w/caXo_zIxNDY1MjN8MVJER2xRQU9aUHJKTBK5sAD8r_fbT-Np4QsNMxzLKE6mp07gTua8N1j9dCma?t=27m26s
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 08:09:13 AM
https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1267935201482530816
Post by: 8manpick on June 03, 2020, 08:09:55 AM
Very good and cool
Post by: Phil Titola on June 03, 2020, 08:11:21 AM
This guy again!
https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1267935201482530816
Who will think of the cars?!
Post by: star seed 7 on June 03, 2020, 08:26:30 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gvifij/trump_vs_reality/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Very good and cool
It's no surprise that dax disappeared (again) as soon as this happened. He'll be back in a few days to defend it after all the talking points get sorted out.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 03, 2020, 08:27:56 AM
This guy again!
https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1267935201482530816
Who will think of the cars?!
Double ironic in that in the day before cars the streets were for people and it took heavy lobbying by car companies to make laws in cities where walking in the street was illegal. Also, doesn't the pedestrian always have the right of way? That guy is pretty amazing
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 08:38:53 AM
https://twitter.com/bentaub91/status/1267840280214069248
Post by: cfbandyman on June 03, 2020, 08:46:42 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 03, 2020, 09:00:20 AM
My thought was he got rock hard after seeing this and went to sign up for Trump’s army.https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gvifij/trump_vs_reality/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Very good and cool
It's no surprise that dax disappeared (again) as soon as this happened. He'll be back in a few days to defend it after all the talking points get sorted out.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 03, 2020, 09:11:01 AM
My thought was he got rock hard after seeing this and went to sign up for Drumpf’s army.https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gvifij/trump_vs_reality/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Very good and cool
It's no surprise that dax disappeared (again) as soon as this happened. He'll be back in a few days to defend it after all the talking points get sorted out.
Nah, he's lurking, just gotta look for the +1 hidden
Post by: star seed 7 on June 03, 2020, 10:20:15 AM
I've spent a lot of time in walnut creek and this is both hilarious and also :sdeek:
Post by: star seed 7 on June 03, 2020, 10:21:59 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
Imagine leawood police in an mrap telling people they will kill themYep. So silly and sad.
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 10:58:23 AM
https://twitter.com/dumbandawful/status/1267932989603938305
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/looters-swipe-2-4m-worth-of-watches-from-soho-rolex-store/
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 11:05:20 AM
https://twitter.com/DeusJZ/status/1268105722899730432
This happened after almost everyone was cleared out.
https://twitter.com/koush/status/1268096534614167552
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 11:13:19 AM
https://twitter.com/koush/status/1268096534614167552
Is that the same guy walking with the AR-15 guy?
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 11:19:52 AM
Is that the same guy walking with the AR-15 guy?
:confused:
This one goes a bit further into after the cops surrounded the trumpet guy.
https://twitter.com/SlakeDransky/status/1268094581930774528
You can see everything from last night by going to that lady's periscope, it's pretty easy to see all the standing around that can be skipped through.
Post by: mocat on June 03, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
This one isn't brutal in like a cops beating the crap out of someone way but my God
https://twitter.com/bentaub91/status/1267840280214069248
wtf
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 03, 2020, 11:30:46 AM
https://twitter.com/tylerdreiling/status/1268216337484189701
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
Is that the same guy walking with the AR-15 guy?
:confused:
This one goes a bit further into after the cops surrounded the trumpet guy.
https://twitter.com/SlakeDransky/status/1268094581930774528
You can see everything from last night by going to that lady's periscope, it's pretty easy to see all the standing around that can be skipped through.
There was a Seattle news video a couple days ago that showed a guy just hanging out with an assault rifle who was joined by a guy with a trumpet while the studio was talking
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 11:42:33 AM
There was a Seattle news video a couple days ago that showed a guy just hanging out with an assault rifle who was joined by a guy with a trumpet while the studio was talking
Ah, I don’t remember that. I’m gathering that “trumpet guy” is a thing here like “scooter girl” or weird robert at KSU, but couldn’t tell you if there’s multiple or not.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2020, 11:58:02 AM
https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1268032764126932992
Re: pay
https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1268034453059895296
How's he able to feed his kids on that salary?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 03, 2020, 12:01:06 PM
Damn DaxSIAP, are there going to be protests again in MHK today?
https://twitter.com/tylerdreiling/status/1268216337484189701
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2020, 12:03:50 PM
https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1268032764126932992
Re: pay
https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1268034453059895296
He behaved this way knowing he's being watched and after this was written about him.
https://medium.com/@crschmidt/captain-john-danilecki-presents-a-clear-and-present-danger-to-boston-9b776893b39
Makes you wonder how his behavior is when he isn't being watched.
Post by: steve dave on June 03, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
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Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 04:50:29 PM
https://twitter.com/APZonerunner/status/1268273434540290049?s=19
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 04:56:59 PM
Quote
UPDATE: A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE LEGO GROUP RESPONDED TO OUR REQUEST FOR COMMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:
“We requested that our affiliate partners refrain from posting promotional LEGO content as part of our decision to respect #BlackOutTuesday and pause posting content on our social media channels in response to the tragic events in the US. We regret any misunderstanding and will ensure that we are clearer about our intentions in the future.”
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 04:58:12 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 03, 2020, 05:04:11 PM
Hell yeah Lego
https://twitter.com/APZonerunner/status/1268273434540290049?s=19
Wow, that's actually very surprising
Post by: Katpappy on June 03, 2020, 05:11:54 PM
https://www.pscp.tv/w/caXOgjIxNDY1MjN8MWdxeHZFckFMckFKQu243Jd5lKwOj3Ef5L3D8yOGxUbjLg66DJPfrJYNpjah
I'd been thinking about firing up the periscope. nice find.
Your CFS is a block from this.
:lol:
Theyre chanting "S-P-D suck my dick.."
What a bunch of horny basstards... anyway not advisable, due to most the S-P=D having healthy set of teeth. :ohno: thou females might be safe. :thumbs:
Post by: Phil Titola on June 03, 2020, 05:12:40 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 05:22:16 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnnyHeatWave/status/1268274240253550597
Post by: treysolid on June 03, 2020, 05:47:44 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
I think, hand-in-hand with #6, police should have to walk a beat - with the emphasis on physically walking. They should have to get out of their cars on patrol, so you can see their faces and they are actually out in the community. Talk to kids shooting hoops in the park, stop in and chat with the local business owners, help old ladies cross the road and help carry their groceries, etc. How can you effectively protect and serve people that you don't talk to and don't care about?
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 06:42:50 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
I think, hand-in-hand with #6, police should have to walk a beat - with the emphasis on physically walking. They should have to get out of their cars on patrol, so you can see their faces and they are actually out in the community. Talk to kids shooting hoops in the park, stop in and chat with the local business owners, help old ladies cross the road and help carry their groceries, etc. How can you effectively protect and serve people that you don't talk to and don't care about?
Man, you’re killing itt. MIR’s list is also superb.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2020, 06:44:06 PM
A reminder that you can generally assume cops are liars about everything (also eff this headline.)
https://twitter.com/dumbandawful/status/1267932989603938305
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/looters-swipe-2-4m-worth-of-watches-from-soho-rolex-store/
I'm dumbfounded that de blasio hasn't fired his chief yet. He's making the mayor look stupid almost every hour on the hour.
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 06:44:17 PM
Def worth a listen. https://podcast.app/jim-rome-hour-e98914909/?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=share
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2020, 06:48:33 PM
Hell yeah Lego
https://twitter.com/APZonerunner/status/1268273434540290049?s=19
Holy crap, that's taking a brave stand. Danish company tho.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2020, 06:51:52 PM
So a great way of getting quality cops is to make the profession seems bad and not kid friendly. Should help with community relations too.
We've had respectful dialogue on this, but I gotta ask, what's your angle here? It seems to me, that anything short of unlimited reverence is unacceptable to you.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 03, 2020, 07:58:15 PM
So a great way of getting quality cops is to make the profession seems bad and not kid friendly. Should help with community relations too.
We've had respectful dialogue on this, but I gotta ask, what's your angle here? It seems to me, that anything short of unlimited reverence is unacceptable to you.
Not at all where I was going with that. I don't think Legos discontinuing police themed legos or stopping making cop halloween costumes, etc, etc. is going to benefit anybody and is just a publicity ploy.
If we want high quality people to become cops (that isn't happening now) making them to be the boggieman isn't the answer. I totally understand they are making themselves the boogieman much more effective for the past decades. Somehow we have to make it a respected profession again or we'll just keep getting dickwads who want absolute power.
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 08:10:04 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 03, 2020, 08:18:38 PM
Cops should be ashamed of what they are now
Agreed.
Post by: sys on June 03, 2020, 08:47:27 PM
Cops should be ashamed of what they are now
they're very likely better now than they've ever been.
Post by: CHONGS on June 03, 2020, 08:50:54 PM
YeppersCops should be ashamed of what they are now
they're very likely better now than they've ever been.
Post by: dal9 on June 03, 2020, 08:58:46 PM
Racism is just ONE of Ralph’s hobbiesthe ad on the child molester profile--not very good!
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Post by: steve dave on June 03, 2020, 09:37:47 PM
CreativeCops should be ashamed of what they are now
they're very likely better now than they've ever been.
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Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2020, 10:05:13 PM
Post by: mocat on June 03, 2020, 10:20:56 PM
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2020, 10:25:23 PM
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2020, 10:31:33 PM
Police killed way more than 19 where are you getting that
Unarmed white ppl. I got it from a wsj opinion piece that was supposedly sourced from wapo data. I also heard it rattled off on tv a couple nites ago.
Post by: mocat on June 03, 2020, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: mocat on June 03, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
Right I read your post where did you get thatPolice killed way more than 19 where are you getting that
Unarmed white ppl
Post by: sys on June 03, 2020, 10:36:30 PM
Police killed 19 unarmed white ppl in 2019 versus 9 black people, the issue is that we’re not prosecuting them at the same rate (I assume, don’t have the numbers). Idk if these numbers include off duty officers like the dumbass Dallas lady cop that shot a man in his own home.
no that's not the issue. the issues are 1) black americans are 12% of the population, they are killed in numbers disproportionate to their share of the population, and 2) police kill way too many non-black americans too.
although, honestly the killing of people is the least of the problems, as horrific as the individual incidents are. it's the constant harassment.
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Police killed 19 unarmed white ppl in 2019 versus 9 black people, the issue is that we’re not prosecuting them at the same rate (I assume, don’t have the numbers). Idk if these numbers include off duty officers like the dumbass Dallas lady cop that shot a man in his own home.
no that's not the issue. the issues are 1) black americans are 12% of the population, they are killed in numbers disproportionate to their share of the population, and 2) police kill way too many non-black americans too.
although, honestly the killing of people is the least of the problems, as horrific as the individual incidents are. it's the constant harassment.
So you don’t think charging/prosecuting them for wrongdoing will help? Surely u cannot be serious.
Post by: nicname on June 03, 2020, 10:47:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ChryslerReal/status/1268219493710512129
I can’t wait for the all gas no brakes.
Post by: sys on June 03, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
So you don’t think charging/prosecuting them for wrongdoing will help? Surely u cannot be serious.
go build your strawman with someone else. i don't have any interest in playing with you.
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2020, 10:50:26 PM
Right I read your post where did you get thatPolice killed way more than 19 where are you getting that
Unarmed white ppl
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883)
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
So you don’t think charging/prosecuting them for wrongdoing will help? Surely u cannot be serious.
go build your strawman with someone else. i don't have any interest in playing with you.
I’m not rly sure where you’re going with this. I for one think prosecuting wrongdoing (not just murder) would help, a lot.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 03, 2020, 11:14:41 PM
Hell yeah Lego
https://twitter.com/APZonerunner/status/1268273434540290049?s=19
Proud owner of legos before this and Anna Kendrick admitting she loves them so this makes me even happier. I kinda hope I get to see some lego smashing a la keurigs and crap from those dumbasses. Legos ain't cheap.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 03, 2020, 11:26:11 PM
the idea that we aren't going to be able to hire any new police if we fire some of the current ones is laughably stupid.
Very much so. First of all reforms would absolutely attract more minority cops. There's also no reason police departments shouldn't be competing with the armed forces for their best talent.
What reforms? Shouldn't anybody who wants to make a change want to jump into the PD 30 years ago to help make change?
I'm guessing/hoping you aren't asking me about some rando beat cop or some rando chief making systematic changes to generations of flawed policing in the entire country. That's either really stupid or asked in bad faith.
I'm only asking what reforms you think would attract more minority cops. bolded above.
On the short term, there isn't much that will make any significant impact. The greatest reason that there aren't minority cops is goes all the way back before the country was ever founded, I'd hope you know that. We live in highly segregated areas but have never been allowed to police in the same way. You're not going to overturn hundreds of years of distrust in a matter of months or even years. My mother's generation had to be subjected to cops being the front line in the government pushing back in a battle for civil rights. It's obviously going to be a long and hard transformation, but it has to start somewhere. Here's what I'd do.
1. I would only hire officers that live in my city, especially in metro areas.
2. Police need hiring quotas to assist in representation
3. I balk at busting police unions, but they have been a strong barrier to community policing and representation in police departments.
4. Police departments should invest in education in our cities and not just by putting substations in black neighborhoods. Invest in scholarships, have more programs in small colleges, and not just some community colleges.
5. Partner with secondary schools to have plain clothed officers assist in educational programs. There is a national organization called Jobs for America's Graduates who would be perfect to partner with.
6. Have a presence, plain clothed, no guns, in community events. Host some of these events, block parties, farmers markets in food deserts.
There is literally a eff ton of things they can do if they actually wanted to do so.
I think, hand-in-hand with #6, police should have to walk a beat - with the emphasis on physically walking. They should have to get out of their cars on patrol, so you can see their faces and they are actually out in the community. Talk to kids shooting hoops in the park, stop in and chat with the local business owners, help old ladies cross the road and help carry their groceries, etc. How can you effectively protect and serve people that you don't talk to and don't care about?
This is so common sense they should be doing this (Mir list too). Even to a big degree in white ass Overland Park most cop interactions are distant and walled off. They always look intimidating and armed to the teeth. If they can just actually meld into the community, come by dressed down, it would take a lot of tension off interactions with them.
Some what related side note (and definitely not trying to make an excuse for them) but you could see a lot of rural/small town America not being able to fathom not knowing your local law enforcement. Anecdotal, but many of my small town K-State friends talk about raising hell in their small town, and then being talked to by the sheriff/local cop, but it not really going too far cause they all knew each other (you could call it privilege, but I think just as well you could call it hey, I know you, this is a learning moment). But project that to a big(ger) city, cops seem distant, foreign entity sequestered in their patrol car and even outside of it they are surrounded by a bullet proof vest, taser, gun, mace, and a myriad other gadgets that make them visually separate from the population at large.
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
https://twitter.com/placeholder4abn/status/1268045873432281088
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2020, 11:46:35 PM
https://twitter.com/joshfoxfilm/status/1268366550475603969
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2020, 11:49:45 PM
A more nuanced thread about "abolish the police" and "cops shouldn't have guns"
https://twitter.com/placeholder4abn/status/1268045873432281088
You’re really onto something there.
Post by: sys on June 03, 2020, 11:56:22 PM
i do agree with you and the thread author that there should be cops with guns and cops without guns, or at least cops whose guns are not carried on their person. i think it is more important; however, to have cops just spend a lot less time stopping people to check their papers, ask what they're doing, do a little exploratory searching and such than it is to take the guns away from people doing that. the constant harassment of people not-pursuant to the investigation of any reported crime is really the bedrock of what is wrong with american law-enforcement.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2020, 12:10:25 AM
So a great way of getting quality cops is to make the profession seems bad and not kid friendly. Should help with community relations too.
We've had respectful dialogue on this, but I gotta ask, what's your angle here? It seems to me, that anything short of unlimited reverence is unacceptable to you.
Not at all where I was going with that. I don't think Legos discontinuing police themed legos or stopping making cop halloween costumes, etc, etc. is going to benefit anybody and is just a publicity ploy.
If we want high quality people to become cops (that isn't happening now) making them to be the boggieman isn't the answer. I totally understand they are making themselves the boogieman much more effective for the past decades. Somehow we have to make it a respected profession again or we'll just keep getting dickwads who want absolute power.
Hos the police are perceived is 100% their doing, there is little anyone who isn't a cop, pol, or DA can do other than shame them, and they deserved to be shamed. Want the shaming of cops to stop? Start taking steps to not make it such a shameful profession. They should get no benefit of the doubt.
What Lego did, with pulling the toys, is wholly symbolic, it's not going to change anything. I will tell you that the shame some feel and the support others feel make it worth it. I wouldn't care if they put the cop products back on the shelves tomorrow, they accomplished what they set out to do.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2020, 12:11:08 AM
i think "abolish the police" is probably not the framing best designed to gain support for reforming the police in favor of greater specialization.
i do agree with you and the thread author that there should be cops with guns and cops without guns, or at least cops whose guns are not carried on their person. i think it is more important; however, to have cops just spend a lot less time stopping people to check their papers, ask what they're doing, do a little exploratory searching and such than it is to take the guns away from people doing that. the constant harassment of people not-pursuant to the investigation of any reported crime is really the bedrock of what is wrong with american law-enforcement.
I don't think there is a single magic bullet to fixing such a complex set of problems but I support what you describe. I think we could have fewer cops, fewer harassments, and fewer guns all at once!
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2020, 12:29:05 AM
People are really fixated on police in this thread and in protests when I feel most of the vitriol should be directed at those in charge of prosecuting them and those who can influence prosecutors (i.e. mayors, governors etc). They are the enablers. Police killed 19 unarmed white ppl in 2019 versus 9 black people, the issue is that we’re not prosecuting them at the same rate (I assume, don’t have the numbers). Idk if these numbers include off duty officers like the dumbass Dallas lady cop that shot a man in his own home.
I've mentioned districts attorney several times in this thread and the forget Missouri cops thread. Prosecuting will absolutely help, but it isn't going to fix anything. The reason that prosecution rates are so low is because the DAs need the help of police to do their jobs and they are rightly afraid of retribution if they keep charging cops for beating people's ass, stealing people's crap, maliciously charging people, and of course killing people. If we're looking to clean up cops, it starts with mayors and city councils, they are the ones who employ the cops. The protesters now going to these mayors houses have the right idea. The cities these cops work for have to approve all the acquisition of the military grade equipment. The cities hire and fire the cops.
As I've said before it's astounding that the chiefs in New York and LA haven't been fired. De blasio hasn't fired his chief yet because he won't get reelected if he does, he's banking on blue lives matter having a longer memory than his citizens who oppose the constant abuses by his department. Eric Garcetti hasn't fired the chief because the police have been in his families life for the entirety of it.
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2020, 01:29:14 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 04, 2020, 07:02:27 AM
Yeah that seems like two sides of the same coin to me. The protests are obviously directed to more than just police themselves, and it’s obvious to anyone who thinks about it for a few seconds that change has to come from above.People are really fixated on police in this thread and in protests when I feel most of the vitriol should be directed at those in charge of prosecuting them and those who can influence prosecutors (i.e. mayors, governors etc). They are the enablers. Police killed 19 unarmed white ppl in 2019 versus 9 black people, the issue is that we’re not prosecuting them at the same rate (I assume, don’t have the numbers). Idk if these numbers include off duty officers like the dumbass Dallas lady cop that shot a man in his own home.
I've mentioned districts attorney several times in this thread and the forget Missouri cops thread. Prosecuting will absolutely help, but it isn't going to fix anything. The reason that prosecution rates are so low is because the DAs need the help of police to do their jobs and they are rightly afraid of retribution if they keep charging cops for beating people's ass, stealing people's crap, maliciously charging people, and of course killing people. If we're looking to clean up cops, it starts with mayors and city councils, they are the ones who employ the cops. The protesters now going to these mayors houses have the right idea. The cities these cops work for have to approve all the acquisition of the military grade equipment. The cities hire and fire the cops.
As I've said before it's astounding that the chiefs in New York and LA haven't been fired. De blasio hasn't fired his chief yet because he won't get reelected if he does, he's banking on blue lives matter having a longer memory than his citizens who oppose the constant abuses by his department. Eric Garcetti hasn't fired the chief because the police have been in his families life for the entirety of it.
It’s basically what I said earlier. The protests have certainly been successful at getting attention. If they’re going to actually accomplish their goal it’s mainly because people are going to start looking at their local officials and asking what their DA, mayor, etc. is doing to actually keep their community safe. (Could also be if the Supreme Court reconsiders doctrines protecting cops, which is starting to be rumored)
I think by now it’s pretty commonplace for DA candidates to get asked about their stance on prosecuting low level drug offenses, but “what are you doing to improve policing and community relations” should definitely be a major focus.
“Replace all cops” is a fantasy—and a bad one at that. I think that pretty much all jobs are the same, you’ve got some great people, some shitty people, and some people who mainly just want to collect a paycheck. That third category is always the biggest. If you sincerely focus on getting rid of the shitty cops and raise the standards, the remaining cops will do just fine.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 08:46:01 AM
So a great way of getting quality cops is to make the profession seems bad and not kid friendly. Should help with community relations too.
We've had respectful dialogue on this, but I gotta ask, what's your angle here? It seems to me, that anything short of unlimited reverence is unacceptable to you.
Not at all where I was going with that. I don't think Legos discontinuing police themed legos or stopping making cop halloween costumes, etc, etc. is going to benefit anybody and is just a publicity ploy.
If we want high quality people to become cops (that isn't happening now) making them to be the boggieman isn't the answer. I totally understand they are making themselves the boogieman much more effective for the past decades. Somehow we have to make it a respected profession again or we'll just keep getting dickwads who want absolute power.
Hos the police are perceived is 100% their doing, there is little anyone who isn't a cop, pol, or DA can do other than shame them, and they deserved to be shamed. Want the shaming of cops to stop? Start taking steps to not make it such a shameful profession. They should get no benefit of the doubt.
What Lego did, with pulling the toys, is wholly symbolic, it's not going to change anything. I will tell you that the shame some feel and the support others feel make it worth it. I wouldn't care if they put the cop products back on the shelves tomorrow, they accomplished what they set out to do.
Good point. Not having kids I have no idea but I assume right now parents teach their kids to "respect the police" not because it's the right thing to do, it's so they don't get into more trouble/beat/death. That is effed up and totally the doing of those in the uniforms. No way 99% of the rational people growing up being taught that want to go in and be a cop so the cycle continues to spiral downward.
Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2020, 09:21:30 AM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1268531176765108224
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Post by: 8manpick on June 04, 2020, 09:35:57 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2020, 12:01:40 PM
https://twitter.com/joshfoxfilm/status/1268366550475603969
Based on the protest videos, it seems like NYPD faces the most challenges with bad person thug cops. Many, MANY challenges. Maybe LAPD is a distant second. And that totally squares with my prior knowledge of both.
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2020, 12:17:04 PM
https://twitter.com/CongBaseballFan/status/1268484778405158913
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Post by: mocat on June 04, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
I wouldn't have had a problem if one of them put their gear down and beat that dudes ass.
well i would have
Post by: Institutional Control on June 04, 2020, 02:44:20 PM
Heard some juicy rumors about buses of antifa loading up in Dallas and Wichita to head to the Garden City protest yesterday. Such a high sense of self importance by these Western Kansas folks.
The crazy part is I heard Antifa was being brought into Dallas from New Orleans.
I wonder if Garden City got the Dallas Antifa chapter or if the New Orleans members just headed up to GC after Dallas was sufficiently looted.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2020, 02:51:23 PM
Sounds like this terrorist organization needs to take logistics 101Heard some juicy rumors about buses of antifa loading up in Dallas and Wichita to head to the Garden City protest yesterday. Such a high sense of self importance by these Western Kansas folks.
The crazy part is I heard Antifa was being brought into Dallas from New Orleans.
I wonder if Garden City got the Dallas Antifa chapter or if the New Orleans members just headed up to GC after Dallas was sufficiently looted.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2020, 03:22:31 PM
Sounds like this terrorist organization needs to take logistics 101Heard some juicy rumors about buses of antifa loading up in Dallas and Wichita to head to the Garden City protest yesterday. Such a high sense of self importance by these Western Kansas folks.
The crazy part is I heard Antifa was being brought into Dallas from New Orleans.
I wonder if Garden City got the Dallas Antifa chapter or if the New Orleans members just headed up to GC after Dallas was sufficiently looted.
Soros is just showing off at this point. like "hey George, wouldn't it be smarter to take the 60 buses we had routed to Notre Dame Indiana and instead send them to Garden City?
GS: I am so rich, I will dispatch the Dallas af chapter to GC and STILL SEND THE NEW ORLEANS CHAPTER TO DALLAS BECAUSE mOneTarY gOon muhhhahhahahha
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 03:54:10 PM
* Body cam money found
* review of past and future use of gas and rubber bullet type things
* all officer shootings reviewed by an outside party (FBI etc)
* additional whistleblower protections
* county prosecutor's looking at protest excessive force complaints
still on most of the protestor's lists
* New police chief
* local control of PD (this will take a public vote)
Post by: cfbandyman on June 04, 2020, 04:03:18 PM
KCPD reforms :Woot:
* Body cam money found
* review of past and future use of gas and rubber bullet type things
* all officer shootings reviewed by an outside party (FBI etc)
* additional whistleblower protections
* county prosecutor's looking at protest excessive force complaints
still on most of the protestor's lists
* New police chief
* local control of PD (this will take a public vote)
I'm guessing all of MO has to vote on it?
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 04:10:39 PM
KCPD reforms :Woot:
* Body cam money found
* review of past and future use of gas and rubber bullet type things
* all officer shootings reviewed by an outside party (FBI etc)
* additional whistleblower protections
* county prosecutor's looking at protest excessive force complaints
still on most of the protestor's lists
* New police chief
* local control of PD (this will take a public vote)
I'm guessing all of MO has to vote on it?
I'm not sure. Maybe just the city? I don't remember us voting for St Louis when they went under local control recently.
Post by: CHONGS on June 04, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
https://apnews.com/7122aaf2c54ed22590a5b8d32565a58f
Post by: sys on June 04, 2020, 05:45:46 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1268531176765108224
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there actually is a notre dame, indiana. the campus is not part of south bend, it is its own whatever it is. however, i don't think there are any residences there, aside from dorms and priest housing.
Post by: CHONGS on June 04, 2020, 05:47:49 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on June 04, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
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Post by: nicname on June 04, 2020, 05:55:45 PM
I think curfews are dumb and should be illegal.
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I agree.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 04, 2020, 06:57:16 PM
Curfew is just an excuse for police to detain people who are doing nothing wrong.
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Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 04, 2020, 07:14:19 PM
KCPD reforms :Woot:
* Body cam money found
* review of past and future use of gas and rubber bullet type things
* all officer shootings reviewed by an outside party (FBI etc)
* additional whistleblower protections
* county prosecutor's looking at protest excessive force complaints
still on most of the protestor's lists
* New police chief
* local control of PD (this will take a public vote)
I'm guessing all of MO has to vote on it?
I'm not sure. Maybe just the city? I don't remember us voting for St Louis when they went under local control recently.
Like if it's just KC, than why can't KC essentially unilaterally do it now? It seems weird to change a state law in a local election (not saying the way the PD situation at all is not already weird).
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 08:33:15 PM
Post by: sys on June 04, 2020, 08:52:47 PM
https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268712530358292484
Post by: sys on June 04, 2020, 08:55:59 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffRussoWKBW/status/1268712651292643334
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 09:04:28 PM
ah, yes. he tripped and fell.
https://twitter.com/JeffRussoWKBW/status/1268712651292643334
I mean that statement can't be talking about that video, there were no other protestors.
That video though. Christ.
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 04, 2020, 09:15:47 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 04, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
ah, yes. he tripped and fell.
https://twitter.com/JeffRussoWKBW/status/1268712651292643334
I mean that statement can't be talking about that video, there were no other protestors.
That video though. Christ.
Well if you watch the full video, you can see they're marching towards protestors.
Also, it's hard to imagine they're talking about anyone else considering the pool of blood you can see collecting underneath the gentleman's skull.
Post by: catastrophe on June 04, 2020, 09:28:32 PM
Curb your free speech until you calm down?
Curfew is just an excuse for police to detain people who are doing nothing wrong.
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I always just assumed curfew was more of a way to keep bystanders out of the fray. Basically whittle it down to just "if you're out, we assume you're a protestor." Also gives cops a better argument for probable cause in order to assess vaguely suspicious situations.
I definitely think that arresting people for violating curfew is dumb regardless.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 09:34:52 PM
ah, yes. he tripped and fell.
https://twitter.com/JeffRussoWKBW/status/1268712651292643334
I mean that statement can't be talking about that video, there were no other protestors.
That video though. Christ.
Well if you watch the full video, you can see they're marching towards protestors.
Also, it's hard to imagine they're talking about anyone else considering the pool of blood you can see collecting underneath the gentleman's skull.
It's not hard to imagine more than one person tripped and fell and got hurt in a protest in a protest but I was more tongue in check saying no way they are trying to state that person tripped and fell in a skirmish with protestors when they knew this video was out there.
Post by: nicname on June 04, 2020, 09:35:10 PM
I think curfews are dumb and should be illegal.
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Why illegal? I can see some utility of telling people to calm down a few nights then protest to your hearts content.
You can’t just arbitrarily restrict a free person’s movements.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 04, 2020, 09:39:09 PM
Great story.
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Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
ah, yes. he tripped and fell.
https://twitter.com/JeffRussoWKBW/status/1268712651292643334
ah so they suspended both officers involved. because there were TWO.
https://twitter.com/HannahBuehler/status/1268732415259955202
Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2020, 10:06:36 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 10:18:35 PM
Interesting strategy by KCPD tonight. No presence at all at the protest meetup point for the past 7 days. Not a big crowd but those there are marching the streets peacefully but blocking traffic. Marching between plaza and westport it sounds like.
Holy hell it worked. Amazing. Cops don't get in their face and it is peaceful and now over.
https://twitter.com/sarahgritter/status/1268742356431503362?s=19
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2020, 10:29:57 PM
Cops make just about every situation worse. (unless they completely remove themselves from situations like they did here). good turnaround from pepper spraying that dude for talkingInteresting strategy by KCPD tonight. No presence at all at the protest meetup point for the past 7 days. Not a big crowd but those there are marching the streets peacefully but blocking traffic. Marching between plaza and westport it sounds like.
Holy hell it worked. Amazing. Cops don't get in their face and it is peaceful and now over.
https://twitter.com/sarahgritter/status/1268742356431503362?s=19
Post by: Phil Titola on June 04, 2020, 10:50:24 PM
Fingers crossed for this weekend!
Post by: LickNeckey on June 04, 2020, 11:02:59 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 04, 2020, 11:10:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2020, 11:17:09 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1268757931002126338
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2020, 11:20:10 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266751520055459847
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 12:02:57 AM
https://twitter.com/KanielaIng/status/1268732217158582273
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1268760680569532419
Post by: puniraptor on June 05, 2020, 04:15:43 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 06:55:03 AM
I think I'm kinda ok with curfews in some instances, provided they are rare and very short in duration.
Auth-Right
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 07:37:16 AM
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Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
https://twitter.com/OutFrontCNN/status/1268702199233818624
Post by: Phil Titola on June 05, 2020, 08:45:06 AM
EMAW!
https://twitter.com/OutFrontCNN/status/1268702199233818624
Layup from his ivory tower on Lovers Lane
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 09:58:25 AM
The cops taking a knee thing is really stupid
https://twitter.com/KanielaIng/status/1268732217158582273
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1268760680569532419
jesus christ
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 10:37:49 AM
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Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2020, 11:03:31 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 11:29:51 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2020, 11:34:12 AM
Like, holy crap.
Do they not train these guys at all to not whip old and handicapped people's faces into the ground? And then lie your absolute balls off
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZum_KsUwAEpVZ0?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
All of the other cops just shrug it off like it didn't happen and keep on walking, too. Not one good cop in any of these videos that have hundreds of cops in them.
yeah, I read something (possibly ITT) saying, like, when you have 1,000 good cops and 5 bad cops and the 1,000 good cops don't get rid of the 5 bad cops you have 1,005 bad cops. It was written better than that but you get the idea.
Post by: treysolid on June 05, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1268753177035374593?s=20
That crashing sound seems to indicate that something was thrown at the cops, but still. Yikes.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 11:42:50 AM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1268753177035374593?s=20
I'm kind of surprised Chicago has been so far behind New York and LA when it comes to videos of cops beating the crap out of people. Looks like they're working on it.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 05, 2020, 11:49:33 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2020, 12:05:08 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
this came across my timeline and I have no idea who this person is or even for sure that it's protest related but lmaoMIR said it before, but in places where you have hard evidence of cops doing crap like that to protestors, there really needs to be immediate pressure on the mayor and DA to take action.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZum_KsUwAEpVZ0?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: cfbandyman on June 05, 2020, 12:07:29 PM
That’s badass
They should write that a million times in the fence they put up around the white house (some legible from the street, some legible to people inside the fence) with like solo cups or ribbons like what you see at high schools and what not
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2020, 12:10:46 PM
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
watchmen irl
heh, yeah
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 12:34:56 PM
Hell yeah Lego
https://twitter.com/APZonerunner/status/1268273434540290049?s=19
dangit this was false. :frown:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lego-police-toys/
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2020, 12:36:38 PM
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 05, 2020, 12:41:59 PM
https://twitter.com/OmarJimenez/status/1268946330107498497?s=20
https://twitter.com/JulieZauzmer/status/1268927561012260864
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2020, 12:47:27 PM
I base this on my totally unresearched opinion that there are a lot of cops who want to kill or maim someone at least once and they will take their shot on the margins because they may not get it again. When I watch the videos of cops shooting people you almost see the split second decision where they think "is this justified or am I threatened?...probably not...but it's close, shoot!...because it may never be this close again!"
In these demonstrations now they don't want to blow the opportunity to cave in some antifa heads....or lob a nice spiraling/smoking can of tear gas into the middle of a group of minorities because the demonstrations could stop tomorrow and then back to traffic cop duty and your partner will be bragging how he horse-trampled some weasel from Northwestern and you didn't shoot your shot.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SFath/status/1268756192391622657
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 12:52:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Yonklerr/status/1268740695117852673
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 12:59:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6lxSUaAKg&feature=emb_logo
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 01:09:05 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 01:11:08 PM
is this even real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6lxSUaAKg&feature=emb_logo
it's obvious that cops are trained to beat the crap out of someone with a baton if they don't want to murder them with their gun first
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2020, 01:19:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
the go to was obviously multiple trigger squeezes with rubber bullets...
I didn't even notice the rubber bullets at first!
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 01:55:07 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2020, 01:56:36 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 01:59:44 PM
https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203
Post by: Institutional Control on June 05, 2020, 02:07:07 PM
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Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 02:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1268986090792390656
Post by: Trim on June 05, 2020, 03:08:55 PM
Hell yeah Lego
https://twitter.com/APZonerunner/status/1268273434540290049?s=19
dangit this was false. :frown:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lego-police-toys/
:dubious:
I mean, this was in the article linked in the tweet. I was confused back then* why everyone was sucking Lego's dick.
QuoteUPDATE: A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE LEGO GROUP RESPONDED TO OUR REQUEST FOR COMMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:
“We requested that our affiliate partners refrain from posting promotional LEGO content as part of our decision to respect #BlackOutTuesday and pause posting content on our social media channels in response to the tragic events in the US. We regret any misunderstanding and will ensure that we are clearer about our intentions in the future.”
*Lol, I just looked the calendar and "back then" was 2 days ago
Post by: Trim on June 05, 2020, 03:10:24 PM
https://twitter.com/9Oskissy/status/1268802042748760065
I'm mad I just learned of this twitter account today.
https://twitter.com/influencersitw/status/1268916126190272514
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2020, 03:22:22 PM
I wouldn't have had a problem if one of them put their gear down and beat that dudes ass.
well i would have
Why? I know you don't condone that behavior. I'm not going to waste my outrage on someone asking to get their ass kicked. There is no workplace where that is remotely close to acceptable behavior.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 03:25:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1268993659766280194
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 05, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
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Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2020, 04:15:06 PM
Post by: mocat on June 05, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
https://twitter.com/msdanifernandez/status/1268965646085152768
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 05, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1268753177035374593?s=20
Lori Lightfoot, do your job nigga
Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2020, 04:34:01 PM
:thumbs:https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1268753177035374593?s=20
Lori Lightfoot, do your job nigga
Post by: Institutional Control on June 05, 2020, 05:47:08 PM
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Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2020, 05:59:29 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2020, 06:08:27 PM
This is a good read — recap of Lightfoot’s call with the alderman on Sunday:thumbs:https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1268753177035374593?s=20
Lori Lightfoot, do your job nigga
https://news.wttw.com/2020/06/05/what-are-we-going-have-left-our-community-aldermen-react-panic-sorrow-unrest
Post by: puniraptor on June 05, 2020, 06:09:58 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2020, 06:42:46 PM
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1268957325345390593?s=21
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*mistakenly thought there was no evidence
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 05, 2020, 11:25:19 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 06, 2020, 01:29:36 AM
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1268957325345390593?s=21
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*mistakenly thought there was no evidence
If anything after the last 2 weeks have shown us, camera on or not, cops clearly are inclined to lie, full out.
Post by: nicname on June 06, 2020, 01:51:22 AM
:lol:
Post by: nicname on June 06, 2020, 02:16:36 AM
Five Thirty Eight
De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Post by: 8manpick on June 06, 2020, 08:11:26 AM
https://twitter.com/TheMikelCrump/status/1268243070958649353?s=20That isn’t lol at all
:lol:
Post by: steve dave on June 06, 2020, 08:52:25 AM
https://twitter.com/portlandpolice/status/1269178665855627264
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Post by: wetwillie on June 06, 2020, 09:00:48 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on June 06, 2020, 12:58:36 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/portlandpolice/status/1269178665855627264
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Whose rough ridin' job was it to collect random crap on the side of the streets then take a picture of it?
Post by: sys on June 06, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/WGRZ/status/1269254738652147719
Post by: Spracne on June 06, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
https://twitter.com/fluff_weather/status/1269124019338403840
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2020, 02:18:30 PM
by us, for us: the off-duty cops' rally for police brutality.Good job, good effort
https://twitter.com/WGRZ/status/1269254738652147719
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1269322620316442625
Post by: catastrophe on June 06, 2020, 02:43:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2020, 03:06:12 PM
https://twitter.com/RandazzoTweets/status/1268608526491910145
Post by: treysolid on June 06, 2020, 03:51:55 PM
https://twitter.com/BradfordPearson/status/1269337799523733504
Post by: nicname on June 06, 2020, 04:35:21 PM
Post by: Trim on June 06, 2020, 06:21:04 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 06, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
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They're a wife beating brotherhood. :ROFL:
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2020, 09:13:43 PM
Imagine being one of these people
Post by: MakeItRain on June 06, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/portlandpolice/status/1269178665855627264
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Ain't no laws...
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 01:14:30 AM
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1269474731717087233
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1269476455572033536
Post by: sys on June 07, 2020, 02:36:54 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 08:38:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 08:48:19 AM
https://twitter.com/clownhound/status/1269456559605780481?s=21Unreal
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 07, 2020, 08:57:47 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 07, 2020, 09:06:21 AM
Also consistent with a neighborhood, church, or school soliciting contributions and dropping them off at the precinct.https://twitter.com/clownhound/status/1269456559605780481?s=21Unreal
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
Yes this was clearly done by a churchAlso consistent with a neighborhood, church, or school soliciting contributions and dropping them off at the precinct.https://twitter.com/clownhound/status/1269456559605780481?s=21Unreal
https://twitter.com/JustOneMeg/status/1269481003455741954
Post by: catastrophe on June 07, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 09:52:02 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on June 07, 2020, 11:15:21 AM
Cops should be abolished solely based on their social media. How can any city give any money to people this stupid.
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1269474731717087233
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1269476455572033536
Protestors turn to using "Incendiary Devices"
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 11:43:57 AM
Can’t tell if that’s sarcasm, cause having people email sentiments and then putting them together like that is exactly the type of thing a church would do (during social distancing especially).
Had no idea, I just assume all cops are liars given their track record.
Post by: chum1 on June 07, 2020, 12:30:33 PM
https://twitter.com/_jackgrey/status/1269625428400132096
https://twitter.com/KamBass/status/1269644377183444992
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 12:38:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1269420894017015808
Post by: sys on June 07, 2020, 12:46:17 PM
activists that insist on those messages will be sidelined and used as a foil for politicians to signal they are reasonable by rejecting. national/state (dem) politicians will walk a tightrope trying to sympathize with the objective but say it goes too far/isn't practical. local politicians will just reject it outright. republicans will try to say all dems secretly want this goal.
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
i don't think it will be terribly interesting.
activists that insist on those messages will be sidelined and used as a foil for politicians to signal they are reasonable by rejecting. national/state (dem) politicians will walk a tightrope trying to sympathize with the objective but say it goes too far/isn't practical. local politicians will just reject it outright. republicans will try to say all dems secretly want this goal.
This scenario is contingent on it not getting any significant support from less progressive Democrats. Which isn't unlikely, but this seems different from most other "progressive" causes in a lot of ways.
Post by: catastrophe on June 07, 2020, 01:03:24 PM
Post by: sys on June 07, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
this seems different from most other "progressive" causes in a lot of ways.
i would say, at root, it is not a progressive cause at all, it is, to some extent, a black cause, and african-americans are the least progressive faction of the dem coalition.
young progressives trying to push this issue beyond what is supported by the majority of black voters is not going to get any traction whatsoever.
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Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 01:21:56 PM
this seems different from most other "progressive" causes in a lot of ways.
i would say, at root, it is not a progressive cause at all, it is, to some extent, a black cause, and african-americans are the least progressive faction of the dem coalition.
young progressives trying to push this issue beyond what is supported by the majority of black voters is not going to get any traction whatsoever.
I wouldn't argue any of that. The question is how far black voters will go and will the centrists follow them. I'm pretty sure progressives will.
Post by: Spracne on June 07, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out politically as the defund/abolish the police gets more organization and support:
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1269420894017015808
Poor white mayor all like "how do I reeeach these blaaaaaaaaaacks???"
Post by: treysolid on June 07, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 07, 2020, 02:22:06 PM
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Post by: TheHamburglar on June 07, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? :sdeek:
City budget is over $600 million. PD is $98 million.
Post by: Spracne on June 07, 2020, 02:32:20 PM
wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? :sdeek:No. Thats the entire city budget.
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 03:02:28 PM
https://twitter.com/mat/status/1269699879296618501
Post by: treysolid on June 07, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? :sdeek:
City budget is over $600 million. PD is $98 million.
ok, thats much better. But still alot. I'm not going to look for it but it'd be interesting to see a breakdown as to how PDs spend their money each year.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 07, 2020, 09:01:30 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 07, 2020, 10:18:02 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 07, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
So Minneapolis is actually going to defund the police department, cRusty was really a pioneer on this.I'm excited to see what they end up with!
Post by: Trim on June 07, 2020, 11:29:37 PM
https://twitter.com/lindseywasson/status/1269843291018690561
https://twitter.com/chaseburnsy/status/1269833325440462848
https://twitter.com/AGarlandPhoto/status/1269835122011865088
Post by: Trim on June 07, 2020, 11:49:53 PM
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 12:19:41 AM
"yeah, he shot a guy. obviously. but right now i gotta get this barricade back upright.
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 12:27:20 AM
i don't mean to be insensitive the man who was shot, but there is something funny about the last video with the highly distraught distant narrator and the protesters right next to the shooter seemingly not caring at all.
"yeah, he shot a guy. obviously. but right now i gotta get this barricade back upright.
I also had some private thoughts about the narrator that I kept to myself.
Post by: treysolid on June 08, 2020, 12:44:38 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 12:49:27 AM
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 01:28:30 AM
Post by: nicname on June 08, 2020, 02:01:27 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 04:05:02 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 09:07:37 AM
I’ve been trying my darndest to figure out what “defund the police” means, and as far as I can tell it means “reform.”So Minneapolis is actually going to defund the police department, cRusty was really a pioneer on this.I'm excited to see what they end up with!
My early impression is that “defund the police” is going to be the progressive version of “repeal and replace Obamacare.”
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 08, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2020, 09:25:00 AM
The RCPD MRAP would be a victim of this defund campaign, right?
Post by: cfbandyman on June 08, 2020, 09:31:05 AM
Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.
Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound great, it's not a great optical issue. If it was reform I guess it would sit a lot better. Maybe it needs to sound so dramatic to get attention. IDK
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 08, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 09:38:22 AM
I think it has two purposes.Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.
Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound great, it's not a great optical issue. If it was reform I guess it would sit a lot better. Maybe it needs to sound so dramatic to get attention. IDK
First, it’s an emotional campaign to placate a large segment of protestors.
Second, it’s basically a rallying cry. Although it doesn’t really mean anything, people understand it as meaning doing a lot more than we’ve been doing. “Reform” has basically become synonymous with doing nothing.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 08, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
I think it has two purposes.Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.
Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound great, it's not a great optical issue. If it was reform I guess it would sit a lot better. Maybe it needs to sound so dramatic to get attention. IDK
First, it’s an emotional campaign to placate a large segment of protestors.
Second, it’s basically a rallying cry. Although it doesn’t really mean anything, people understand it as meaning doing a lot more than we’ve been doing. “Reform” has basically become synonymous with doing nothing.
I mean that is fair, and at the end of the day if meaningful things come out of it great, I just think it gives chowder to the wrong people and gives some people pause about what the heck is actually going on and want to do something about it. But I guess you got to want beyond what is actually needed into order to move the needle.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 09:44:36 AM
Unless they saw the gun, there was no way most of those people could know. I'm assuming they have spent a week+ hearing random bangs and pops. Him running through the crowd was brilliant because he blended in great with the thousand other white guys in a dark hoodie. Unfortunately, he left his rough ridin' car there making it pretty damn easy for him to get found, if the Seattle police were interested in such things.
He walked through the crowd to the police.
(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/224046-1024x658.jpg)
Video's in here: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/man-shot-after-gunman-drives-car-into-capitol-hill-protesters/
Also shows that goal of non-panicking dude was to hold that shitty plastic barrier down on the car to keep it from advancing further. Much confidence in his strength.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 09:46:33 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 08, 2020, 09:48:51 AM
I don't think "defund" or "reform" go far enough. I agree that "reform" basically says "do nothing". But like I said, let's see what Minneapolis comes up with when they actually put things into action.
Actually "defunding" a police department would mean that there just isn't a police department anymore. How does that not go far enough?
Post by: mocat on June 08, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
I don't think "defund" or "reform" go far enough. I agree that "reform" basically says "do nothing". But like I said, let's see what Minneapolis comes up with when they actually put things into action.
Actually "defunding" a police department would mean that there just isn't a police department anymore. How does that not go far enough?
True but I think it as more of a call to give them less money than its proper definition
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 09:57:23 AM
Post by: mocat on June 08, 2020, 10:12:26 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2020, 10:27:00 AM
Can't make a catchy slogan out of "Reduce the Police budget by up to 35%"
Our the wraps on those mraps!
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 10:59:33 AM
https://twitter.com/camerongrey/status/1269899831901749249
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 11:09:34 AM
who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?
Nobody. Even various "leaders" and groups are in-fighting about who's the voice of the community. It's transformed into a political game with various characters and officials all trying to advance their own interests.
There have been plenty of other protests and marches that haven't gotten crazy. What you've seen is all from a block in the most libby neighborhood where there's a police precinct.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 11:14:33 AM
who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?
Nobody. Even various "leaders" and groups are in-fighting about who's the voice of the community. It's transformed into a political game with various characters and officials all trying to advance their own interests.
There have been plenty of other protests and marches that haven't gotten crazy. What you've seen is all from a block in the most libby neighborhood where there's a police precinct.
Interesting. It also seems like there's really a bit of the "antifa" professional protester element, like white people who live for events like Charlottesville.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 11:19:49 AM
who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?
Nobody. Even various "leaders" and groups are in-fighting about who's the voice of the community. It's transformed into a political game with various characters and officials all trying to advance their own interests.
There have been plenty of other protests and marches that haven't gotten crazy. What you've seen is all from a block in the most libby neighborhood where there's a police precinct.
Interesting. It also seems like there's really a bit of the "antifa" professional protester element, like white people who live for events like Charlottesville.
If there wasn't coronavirus and the soccer team was playing, most of those people would be getting it all out at the games.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
the other go-to is "you're going to hurt minority communities!" which is definitely something conservatives have shown is important to them time and time again.
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 12:14:22 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 12:15:06 PM
anytime you have to explain that your slogan doesn't mean what everyone thinks it means, you have a bad slogan.Sums up my feelings about it
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 12:19:46 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 08, 2020, 12:25:46 PM
anytime you have to explain that your slogan doesn't mean what everyone thinks it means, you have a bad slogan.
Yeah, I have no idea why anyone serious would continue to use it
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 12:27:42 PM
"a down-to-the-studs remodeling of our police departments"
"a reimagining of policing in America centered around empathy and human dignity"
What else we got?
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 12:33:02 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on June 08, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?
the other go-to is "you're going to hurt minority communities!" which is definitely something conservatives have shown is important to them time and time again.
How bizarre, I went through his twitter last night doing the same thing! Mr. "Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings" sure as eff doesn't seem to acknowledge a lot of facts.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2020, 12:39:32 PM
Completely redo the police but stay within the limits of the contracts signed with the unions
Barney Fife the PD
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 12:41:34 PM
I like straight up "abolish the police"
The only way to abolish the police is to make policing illegal. Then, one by one, all the police will be arrested by their fellow officers until, eventually, only one officer remains. Then we just shoot that last guy/girl.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 12:46:41 PM
so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?
Police hardly ever prevent a home invasion in progress. They come out and investigate and figure out whodunnit and get everything documented for the prosecutors, and participate as witnesses in the criminal case.
To answer Ben's question, in a world of abolished "police," 911 would still be called but the crew coming out to the house would be the sheriff's office, featuring a bunch of the ex-police.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 12:48:56 PM
To answer Ben's question, in a world of abolished "police," 911 would still be called but the crew coming out to the house would be the sheriff's office, featuring a bunch of the ex-police.
that might be how it ended up in Camden but I don't think it's what people want
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 08, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 08, 2020, 12:52:37 PM
Firefighters usually show up for 911 calls anyway. What if we abolish the police and just fold them into the fire department and call the combined group the Public Safety Department? Everyone trusts firefighters way more than cops.
Committee of Public Safety (though they have been acting like that to the black community for a while, might as well call a spade a spade)
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 12:54:22 PM
so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
Firefighters usually show up for 911 calls anyway. What if we abolish the police and just fold them into the fire department and call the combined group the Public Safety Department? Everyone trusts firefighters way more than cops.
https://twitter.com/dreamboum/status/1269727002828902401
Post by: mocat on June 08, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
I kinda like "Down to the Studs"
that's very good
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 12:59:08 PM
I don't think it's what people want
Even here, the "police abolitionist" who ran for city council lost. He was the only out of the seven libbier candidates to lose. The most extreme it could possibly get would for dangerous, true criminal law enforcement to shift to a people-elected sheriff's office, while other duties are done by a very different city police or sets of non-police city departments.
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: CHONGS on June 08, 2020, 01:03:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 01:07:38 PM
so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
I guess we'll find out who the real libertarians are.
spracs isn't taking this well
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 01:08:32 PM
Might be different since it involves a suspect already on the run (and I live close to a PD), but someone in my neighborhood did call the cops and have a suspect apprehended in her back yard who was trying to get in.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?
Police hardly ever prevent a home invasion in progress. They come out and investigate and figure out whodunnit and get everything documented for the prosecutors, and participate as witnesses in the criminal case.
To answer Ben's question, in a world of abolished "police," 911 would still be called but the crew coming out to the house would be the sheriff's office, featuring a bunch of the ex-police.
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 01:11:13 PM
Maybe so, but I think the threat of police showing up to the home invasion probably puts the invaders on a bit of a clock.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 01:12:57 PM
I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 01:13:43 PM
I guess we'll find out who the real libertarians are.
spracs isn't taking this well
I'm just brainstorming, here. Feel free to dole out some actual ideas instead of just platitudes.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 01:18:44 PM
so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
Coming full circle to why bad cops get away with criminal crap, prosecution won’t be a threat without cops having worked the case.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 08, 2020, 01:22:19 PM
Make Police Great Again
Completely redo the police but stay within the limits of the contracts signed with the unions
Barney Fife the PD
The union contracts are a huge part of the problem
Post by: CHONGS on June 08, 2020, 01:22:51 PM
Read John Stuart Mill and then Murray Rothbard.I guess we'll find out who the real libertarians are.
What's a true libertarian, for reference?
Chase that with Austrian School and Chicago School of economics.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 01:24:19 PM
I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
I don't think so. Why wouldn't people just rob instead of burgle now?
so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
Coming full circle to why bad cops get away with criminal crap, prosecution won’t be a threat without cops having worked the case.
yes, someone from the new criminal investigation unit could work the case. People without guns who are trained in solving crimes.
Post by: CHONGS on June 08, 2020, 01:25:34 PM
That's like asking me which antibiotics you should take to cure your cancer.I guess we'll find out who the real libertarians are.
spracs isn't taking this well
I'm just brainstorming, here. Feel free to dole out some actual ideas instead of just platitudes.
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 01:34:33 PM
That's like asking me which antibiotics you should take to cure your cancer.I guess we'll find out who the real libertarians are.
spracs isn't taking this well
I'm just brainstorming, here. Feel free to dole out some actual ideas instead of just platitudes.
Quickest way to kill the cancer is to kill the host, so let's abolish the police and hire the Pinkerton's. What do you say?
Post by: CHONGS on June 08, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 08, 2020, 01:39:09 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
I don't think so. Why wouldn't people just rob instead of burgle now?
Well obviously my reason is going to be the fear of being apprehended by police after being seen by another human. Clock starts running at that point when there’s a force available to respond within a few minutes.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2020, 01:46:31 PM
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Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 01:52:35 PM
I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
I don't think so. Why wouldn't people just rob instead of burgle now?
Well obviously my reason is going to be the fear of being apprehended by police after being seen by another human. Clock starts running at that point when there’s a force available to respond within a few minutes.
there would still be the threat of prosecution, just not the threat of goons with guns showing up in a few minutes.
FWIW, around 13% of burglaries are currently solved (the perp getting murdered by the cop is included in this figure).
(https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/figures/clearance.gif/[member=1][/member][member=1][/member]images/152a5d49-0f8a-410e-8af1-45a28ca6ca07.jpeg)
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 01:58:44 PM
https://twitter.com/dougsthename_sg/status/1269380228675072001?s=21
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Seems dumb, is them seeing a camera phone pointing at them considering informed?
I ignore tweets like this that don't contain a link to the allegedly outrageous law.
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 02:06:19 PM
That's a pretty significant threat, imo.I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
I don't think so. Why wouldn't people just rob instead of burgle now?
Well obviously my reason is going to be the fear of being apprehended by police after being seen by another human. Clock starts running at that point when there’s a force available to respond within a few minutes.
there would still be the threat of prosecution, just not the threat of goons with guns showing up in a few minutes.
FWIW, around 13% of burglaries are currently solved (the perp getting murdered by the cop is included in this figure).
(https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/figures/clearance.gif/[member=1][/member][member=1][/member]images/152a5d49-0f8a-410e-8af1-45a28ca6ca07.jpeg)
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 02:19:30 PM
Yet it's clearly not very effectiveThat's a pretty significant threat, imo.I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
I don't think so. Why wouldn't people just rob instead of burgle now?
Well obviously my reason is going to be the fear of being apprehended by police after being seen by another human. Clock starts running at that point when there’s a force available to respond within a few minutes.
there would still be the threat of prosecution, just not the threat of goons with guns showing up in a few minutes.
FWIW, around 13% of burglaries are currently solved (the perp getting murdered by the cop is included in this figure).
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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
It included a link in the comments. And the ordinance specifically says you cannot be in violation if you are only recording police activity.https://twitter.com/dougsthename_sg/status/1269380228675072001?s=21
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Seems dumb, is them seeing a camera phone pointing at them considering informed?
I ignore tweets like this that don't contain a link to the allegedly outrageous law.
https://tucsonaz.onbaseonline.com/1801AgendaOnline/Documents/ViewDocument/ORDINANCE%2011746.pdf?meetingId=1460&documentType=Agenda&itemId=57902&publishId=49115&isSection=false
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
Sounds like my strategy is sound.It included a link in the comments. And the ordinance specifically says you cannot be in violation if you are only recording police activity.https://twitter.com/dougsthename_sg/status/1269380228675072001?s=21
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Seems dumb, is them seeing a camera phone pointing at them considering informed?
I ignore tweets like this that don't contain a link to the allegedly outrageous law.
https://tucsonaz.onbaseonline.com/1801AgendaOnline/Documents/ViewDocument/ORDINANCE%2011746.pdf?meetingId=1460&documentType=Agenda&itemId=57902&publishId=49115&isSection=false
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 02:27:33 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 02:32:59 PM
We don't know how effective it is because that threat has loomed since the existence of 911. Maybe it's a pretty big deterrent and without it, there'd be a lot more burglaries.Yet it's clearly not very effectiveThat's a pretty significant threat, imo.I think you’d see more burglaries that turn into robberies, and also more that turn fatal since more homeowners will be scared and armed. Petty burglary would prob go away for that reason though.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
I don't think so. Why wouldn't people just rob instead of burgle now?
Well obviously my reason is going to be the fear of being apprehended by police after being seen by another human. Clock starts running at that point when there’s a force available to respond within a few minutes.
there would still be the threat of prosecution, just not the threat of goons with guns showing up in a few minutes.
FWIW, around 13% of burglaries are currently solved (the perp getting murdered by the cop is included in this figure).
(https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/figures/clearance.gif/[member=1][/member][member=1][/member]images/152a5d49-0f8a-410e-8af1-45a28ca6ca07.jpeg)
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 02:59:03 PM
We don't know how effective it is because that threat has loomed since the existence of 911. Maybe it's a pretty big deterrent and without it, there'd be a lot more burglaries.
true, but we DO know it's not effective for burglaries in progress, which is the scenario conservatives point to as why you shouldn't defund the police. I would guess most people considering burglary either realize the clearance rate is pretty low or are desperate enough to not worry about the cops. Impossible to say for sure but I can't imagine there's a ton of people with a pros and cons board when they decide whether or not to become a burglar.
not sure why you pointed to 9/11? the thread of armed goons has been present for way longer than that. (OK, I realized you meant calling 911 after re-reading, ha)
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 03:02:48 PM
hahaWe don't know how effective it is because that threat has loomed since the existence of 911. Maybe it's a pretty big deterrent and without it, there'd be a lot more burglaries.
true, but we DO know it's not effective for burglaries in progress, which is the scenario conservatives point to as why you shouldn't defund the police. I would guess most people considering burglary either realize the clearance rate is pretty low or are desperate enough to not worry about the cops. Impossible to say for sure but I can't imagine there's a ton of people with a pros and cons board when they decide whether or not to become a burglar.
not sure why you pointed to 9/11? the thread of armed goons has been present for way longer than that. (OK, I realized you meant calling 911 after re-reading, ha)
It depends on how you define "effective." It's true that the vast majority of burglaries don't have the burglars get arrested/neutralized at the scene, but if there were zero threat of getting stopped at the scene (as opposed to a very small threat), I think that could potentially have some significant consequences.
Bottom line, if I'm in a scenario where I'm getting burgled, I'd hope for cops to come ASAP.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 03:10:17 PM
It'll be fine if instead of ____ City PD doing that job, there's some other entity that can do the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff on them for it to be relatively safe.
And then you could have a bunch of other things that aren't ___ City PD to do all the other things police do. I'm sure some things would improve with that split, while there might be other things that would become less effective without the centralization.
But this is all really just political posturing.
If we're gonna do something big, break up the united states.
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
you can't record the police unless they're doing police activity? wtf does that mean?At the risk of responding to a sarcastic comment, the ordinance only regulates interfering with police activity and entering crime scenes. It only mentions recording police activity to make clear that is not being prohibited (unless you are also interfering with an investigation).
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 03:16:53 PM
Criminals aren't necessarily afraid of getting caught in the act because the cops will kill/kick their ass, but rather because that makes it easier for cops and then the prosecutors to have an easy case and then the criminal suffers the consequence. It's not much more of a fear than of the cops subsequently dealing with the crime and identifying and locating the criminal and a criminal case being filed and won.But at the end of the day we still need an entity to do "the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff of them for it to be relatively safe," right?
It'll be fine if instead of ____ City PD doing that job, there's some other entity that can do the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff on them for it to be relatively safe.
And then you could have a bunch of other things that aren't ___ City PD to do all the other things police do. I'm sure some things would improve with that split, while there might be other things that would become less effective without the centralization.
Post by: kim carnes on June 08, 2020, 03:20:39 PM
Post by: kim carnes on June 08, 2020, 03:22:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 03:24:01 PM
Bottom line, if I'm in a scenario where I'm getting burgled, I'd hope for cops to come ASAP.
odds are they won't be there in time to do anything at all. I suppose people might steal less because they're in a rush? But really, it's false security.
But at the end of the day we still need an entity to do "the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff of them for it to be relatively safe," right?
probably, but property crimes generally aren't dangerous!
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 03:32:26 PM
Criminals aren't necessarily afraid of getting caught in the act because the cops will kill/kick their ass, but rather because that makes it easier for cops and then the prosecutors to have an easy case and then the criminal suffers the consequence. It's not much more of a fear than of the cops subsequently dealing with the crime and identifying and locating the criminal and a criminal case being filed and won.
It'll be fine if instead of ____ City PD doing that job, there's some other entity that can do the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff on them for it to be relatively safe.
And then you could have a bunch of other things that aren't ___ City PD to do all the other things police do. I'm sure some things would improve with that split, while there might be other things that would become less effective without the centralization.
But at the end of the day we still need an entity to do "the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff of them for it to be relatively safe," right?
Yep. They'll need a fancy new name.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 03:34:56 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 08, 2020, 03:37:01 PM
probably, but property crimes generally aren't dangerous!Perhaps they ought to be!
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 03:44:32 PM
break up the united states.
hmm, not very attention-getting. perhaps "abolish the united states"?
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
At the risk of responding to a sarcastic comment, the ordinance only regulates interfering with police activity and entering crime scenes. It only mentions recording police activity to make clear that is not being prohibited (unless you are also interfering with an investigation).
not at all a sarcastic comment. so the tweet was just false.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 03:49:44 PM
break up the united states.
hmm, not very attention-getting. perhaps "abolish the united states"?
I suppose that's alright as long as everyone understands it'll all still exist, just in a bunch of smaller entities.
But the original keeps the gE branding.
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1270070517798764549
Post by: sys on June 08, 2020, 03:58:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Bradley_LHerrou/status/1270091550463311878
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 04:02:57 PM
Yeah. I think there may have been some confusion because (1) the ordinance was in response to people videoing the cops and harassing them claiming First Amendment protection, and (2) the ordinance does specifically call out videoing police activity (but opposite of what that dude thinks).At the risk of responding to a sarcastic comment, the ordinance only regulates interfering with police activity and entering crime scenes. It only mentions recording police activity to make clear that is not being prohibited (unless you are also interfering with an investigation).
not at all a sarcastic comment. so the tweet was just false.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2020, 04:23:09 PM
Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Post by: kim carnes on June 08, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Why would anyone who likes to speed have a license plate on their car anymore?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2020, 04:31:07 PM
Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Why would anyone who likes to speed have a license plate on their car anymore?
Would still be required.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 04:32:28 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
Post by: kim carnes on June 08, 2020, 04:43:14 PM
if there isn't a threat of cops with guns pulling you over, no one would have a license plate, obviously
You’re being willfully ignorant as to what I’m talking about. Maybe take a drive on 880 in the east bay sometime and see if there is a segment of our population who might be inclined to take their plates off and drive their dodge chargers thru traffic at 120 mph with 20 of their friends right behind them weaving thru traffic. There is literally nothing to stop them.
Post by: kim carnes on June 08, 2020, 04:49:07 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
How bout driving under the influence
interlocks
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 04:56:07 PM
It means a city has the county sherriff's office do all the traditional police work.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department
I was wondering how long they were going to have that conversation without any of them actually using Google.
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 04:56:49 PM
if there isn't a threat of cops with guns pulling you over, no one would have a license plate, obviously
You’re being willfully ignorant as to what I’m talking about. Maybe take a drive on 880 in the east bay sometime and see if there is a segment of our population who might be inclined to take their plates off and drive their dodge chargers thru traffic at 120 mph with 20 of their friends right behind them weaving thru traffic. There is literally nothing to stop them.
lol this happens now, there's sideshows all the time
regardless you don't need guys with guns to make traffic stops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 04:57:01 PM
Unless they saw the gun, there was no way most of those people could know. I'm assuming they have spent a week+ hearing random bangs and pops. Him running through the crowd was brilliant because he blended in great with the thousand other white guys in a dark hoodie. Unfortunately, he left his rough ridin' car there making it pretty damn easy for him to get found, if the Seattle police were interested in such things.
He walked through the crowd to the police.
(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/224046-1024x658.jpg)
Video's in here: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/man-shot-after-gunman-drives-car-into-capitol-hill-protesters/
Also shows that goal of non-panicking dude was to hold that shitty plastic barrier down on the car to keep it from advancing further. Much confidence in his strength.
Barricade guy was the funniest part of that video, to me
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
Maybe so, but I think the threat of police showing up to the home invasion probably puts the invaders on a bit of a clock.so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police.
I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.
In the suburbs, yeah.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 05:10:52 PM
The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax
Cops aren't a deterrent for bank robberies, if so they would have ended roughly 150 years ago.
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 05:13:39 PM
The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax
Cops aren't a deterrent for bank robberies, if so they would have ended roughly 150 years ago.
Is this sarcasm?
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 05:14:37 PM
Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Why would anyone who likes to speed have a license plate on their car anymore?
You can't be this rough ridin' stupid.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 05:18:28 PM
The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax
Cops aren't a deterrent for bank robberies, if so they would have ended roughly 150 years ago.
Is this sarcasm?
You can't be this rough ridin' stupid.
How often does an on duty police officer stop an in progress bank robbery? Why do you think banks use dye packs, security guards, locking gates, close circuit cameras, etc.? You think all that is necessary because cops are effective deterrents from robbing banks?
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 05:20:50 PM
So, your statement is that police are not a deterrent to bank robery because banks still get robbed? I did you the courtesy of asking if you were being sarcastic, because I don't know you to be a disingenuous crap-for-brains moron.The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax
Cops aren't a deterrent for bank robberies, if so they would have ended roughly 150 years ago.
Is this sarcasm?
You can't be this rough ridin' stupid.
How often does an on duty police officer stop an in progress bank robbery? Why do you think banks use dye packs, security guards, locking gates, close circuit cameras, etc.? You think all that is necessary because cops are effective deterrents from robbing banks?
Post by: kim carnes on June 08, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Why would anyone who likes to speed have a license plate on their car anymore?
You can't be this rough ridin' stupid.
If you’re going to be racing around, take off your plates, it’s not that hard. There is no one to pull you over and cameras can’t identify your car. What I’m suggesting is perfectly plausible. You sound dumb.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 05:40:59 PM
So, your statement is that police are not a deterrent to bank robery because banks still get robbed? I did you the courtesy of asking if you were being sarcastic, because I don't know you to be a disingenuous crap-for-brains moron.The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax
Cops aren't a deterrent for bank robberies, if so they would have ended roughly 150 years ago.
Is this sarcasm?
You can't be this rough ridin' stupid.
How often does an on duty police officer stop an in progress bank robbery? Why do you think banks use dye packs, security guards, locking gates, close circuit cameras, etc.? You think all that is necessary because cops are effective deterrents from robbing banks?
Interesting that you used the term disingenuous, given you haven't rough ridin' said a thing. The spirit of kim carnes disingenuous crap-for-brains hypothetical is that without cops on the street bank robberies would be out of control. Did I hit my head and all of a certain Barney Doughnuts are stopping bank robberies all over the place? Bank robbers are almost always apprehended after the fact. No one is calling for the end of all law enforcement, I'm sure bank robbery rates and arrests in Camden, NJ are no different than other like sized cities.
You're too shook about the possibility of not having a police state to consider common sense.
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
Well, I mean, the most recent bank robbers I can name are Bonnie and Clyde, so...The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax
Cops aren't a deterrent for bank robberies, if so they would have ended roughly 150 years ago.
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 05:46:54 PM
Google is what took me to the only self described “defund the police” plan I could find, which said, roughly, “we’ll have a plan in a year or so.”It means a city has the county sherriff's office do all the traditional police work.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department
I was wondering how long they were going to have that conversation without any of them actually using Google.
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 05:47:22 PM
https://twitter.com/dustinakers/status/1270120617497395204
Post by: Trim on June 08, 2020, 05:48:32 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 08, 2020, 05:49:34 PM
Expanding the red light camera model seems like a recipe for success.Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Post by: 8manpick on June 08, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
Gah, eff thatExpanding the red light camera model seems like a recipe for success.Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?
Radars/cameras could do that job.
Post by: treysolid on June 08, 2020, 07:54:39 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 08, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
Thoughts?
Post by: chum1 on June 08, 2020, 08:02:14 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2020, 08:20:06 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 08, 2020, 09:00:20 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 09:28:27 PM
Cops are probably abandoning their precinct where it’s bonkers every night.Thread on it here
https://twitter.com/dustinakers/status/1270120617497395204
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1270171127944482816
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
https://twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1270130328762490880
Post by: MakeItRain on June 09, 2020, 01:28:19 AM
Cops are probably abandoning their precinct where it’s bonkers every night.Thread on it here
https://twitter.com/dustinakers/status/1270120617497395204
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1270171127944482816
https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1270166239621472256
Post by: MakeItRain on June 09, 2020, 01:29:16 AM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/kZPeD2miyF8[/youtube]
Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 01:29:41 AM
Post by: Trim on June 09, 2020, 02:02:56 AM
https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1270166239621472256
This dude is notoriously full of crap.
The Seattle police's report of what Fernandez told them includes that Fernandez claimed to have a brother who works at the east precinct and claimed to be scared for his life. The cops have not figured out what/who he's talking about re: a brother and have called bullshit on him being scared for his life.
Post by: Trim on June 09, 2020, 02:09:10 AM
For example:
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She responded by again emphasizing her belief that abolishing the police cannot happen in a capitalist society, and used the moment to push for a socialist system.
"I absolutely am fighting for a society free of racism, free of sexual violence, free of police — but that will only happen when we fight capitalism," she said.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-live-updates-for-monday-june-8/#update-12838522
Post by: Cire on June 09, 2020, 07:33:26 AM
Pay them more under the guise that higher wages will attract better candidates. Bonus is it would really piss off teachers.Yeah, let’s own those stupid teachers
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Post by: steve dave on June 09, 2020, 07:42:29 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1270333484528214018
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Post by: Institutional Control on June 09, 2020, 07:53:56 AM
holy crap
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1270333484528214018
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In the replies....
https://twitter.com/gogogelgal/status/1270334413520416768?s=20
Post by: catastrophe on June 09, 2020, 08:02:35 AM
holy crap“75 year old fell harder than he was pushed” is something I didn’t think I’d ever hear anyone say.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1270333484528214018
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Post by: cfbandyman on June 09, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
holy crap“75 year old fell harder than he was pushed” is something I didn’t think I’d ever hear anyone say.
https://twitter.com/realdonalddrumpf/status/1270333484528214018
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He is so good at making things worse, it's just amazing.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 09, 2020, 09:21:21 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2020, 10:57:24 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 09, 2020, 11:19:22 AM
Post by: mocat on June 09, 2020, 11:24:08 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 09, 2020, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: Cire on June 09, 2020, 11:39:45 AM
The problem is the pubs would block all of that
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Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
I don’t think defunding is the answer but create some reforms/guidelines on increasing training, tracking incidence of abuse etc that is tied to federal/state funding.
The problem is the pubs would block all of that
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All of that already exists
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 09, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 09, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 12:01:44 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on June 09, 2020, 12:07:14 PM
https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1270338617395818503?s=20
Post by: CHONGS on June 09, 2020, 12:20:05 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 09, 2020, 12:48:19 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 09, 2020, 01:01:05 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2020, 01:23:28 PM
Is this Miami bike cop thing a comedy bit or something?
https://twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1270130328762490880
I thought it was a small self own then it became a massive one
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 09, 2020, 01:27:30 PM
I was presented this very same theory yesterday from a family member and was implored to accept its veracity. My position is/was that the man's hidden motivations were simply irrelevant to whether the police acted appropriately under the circumstances.
get that family member to post here!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 09, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 09, 2020, 01:52:42 PM
I just can't imagine being stupid enough to even entertain the idea. How do these people survive day to day life?
they're not stupid per se, just choosing to prioritize beliefs over facts. Lots of people do it.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 09, 2020, 02:27:32 PM
"WWG1WGA"????holy crap
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1270333484528214018
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In the replies....
https://twitter.com/gogogelgal/status/1270334413520416768?s=20
Does he repost a lot of tweets from QAnon conspiracy theorists?
Post by: Cire on June 09, 2020, 02:29:40 PM
Well burn it down thenI don’t think defunding is the answer but create some reforms/guidelines on increasing training, tracking incidence of abuse etc that is tied to federal/state funding.
The problem is the pubs would block all of that
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All of that already exists
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Post by: cfbandyman on June 09, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
I just can't imagine being stupid enough to even entertain the idea. How do these people survive day to day life?
they're not stupid per se, just choosing to prioritize beliefs over facts. Lots of people do it.
Right, reminds me of my first time in doing start up and our start up manager, who very much knew how to turn on a power plant, which is not easy and very technical, was totally in on conspiracy theories like vaccines is actually why people got sick/were for mind control, that the US had a high powered rail gun in space and had used it against China (probably his most realistic take on at least having a rail gun), and a bunch of other things. That was 2015, a simpler time, can't imagine what he believes now.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 09, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
I just can't imagine being stupid enough to even entertain the idea. How do these people survive day to day life?
they're not stupid per se, just choosing to prioritize beliefs over facts. Lots of people do it.
I miss the days when people would stand by beliefs out of ignorance, like "global warming is a hoax." Believing that the local police, other than maybe the 2 who got arrested, the military personnel, and the paramedics are all working together to keep the fake injury quiet as some sort of ANTIFA operation is just stupid. It's pure fantasy that can't be explained away by simple ignorance.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 09, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
I just can't imagine being stupid enough to even entertain the idea. How do these people survive day to day life?
they're not stupid per se, just choosing to prioritize beliefs over facts. Lots of people do it.
I miss the days when people would stand by beliefs out of ignorance, like "global warming is a hoax." Believing that the local police, other than maybe the 2 who got arrested, the military personnel, and the paramedics are all working together to keep the fake injury quiet as some sort of ANTIFA operation is just stupid. It's pure fantasy that can't be explained away by simple ignorance.
Ah the simple days of fighting against global warming is a hoax, simpler times
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2020, 03:53:35 PM
I just can't imagine being stupid enough to even entertain the idea. How do these people survive day to day life?
The vast majority of the south is made up of total idiots. Look at the total dominating ass whipping the north put on them in the civil war (and ever since).
when you fail in the north/midwest/west/east you move tot he south. It is a respite for total failures
Post by: Institutional Control on June 09, 2020, 04:15:12 PM
"WWG1WGA"????
Does he repost a lot of tweets from QAnon conspiracy theorists?
More and more each day.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 09, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
I just can't imagine being stupid enough to even entertain the idea. How do these people survive day to day life?
they're not stupid per se, just choosing to prioritize beliefs over facts. Lots of people do it.
they actually are stupid per se and we are all better than them
Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 11:48:50 PM
https://twitter.com/AGarlandPhoto/status/1270565427219841024
Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 11:49:57 PM
What did I miss this evening, trim?Oh dang
https://twitter.com/AGarlandPhoto/status/1270565427219841024
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1270569742185590784
Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 11:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/mmooncrochet/status/1270564165904560128
https://twitter.com/IbnAlRafidayn/status/1270469217679220739
Post by: sys on June 09, 2020, 11:52:20 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 09, 2020, 11:58:58 PM
ah, good. just chanting inside a crowded building.They have medic stations in their autonomous zone
Post by: Trim on June 10, 2020, 12:24:20 AM
ah, good. just chanting inside a crowded building.They have medic stations in their autonomous zone
Since that precinct building in cap hill is boring now, the socialist councilmember rounded up some of the people that were there and walked them about 3/4 mile down to city hall and let them in and campaigned. Good that some protesters appreciated her unlocking city hall but aren't falling for it.
https://twitter.com/GoldsteinStreet/status/1270572496173977600
And yeah, ever-y-one's getting 'rona there.
Post by: Trim on June 10, 2020, 12:28:23 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2020, 12:32:47 AM
Post by: Trim on June 10, 2020, 12:45:03 AM
This place is pretty nut(s).
Post by: chum1 on June 10, 2020, 07:36:24 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 10, 2020, 08:28:06 AM
Look at the handwriting on all the fake thank you notes.
https://twitter.com/austin_police/status/1269326118366183424
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Post by: star seed 7 on June 10, 2020, 08:29:54 AM
Post by: Spracne on June 10, 2020, 11:32:52 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 10, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
Today I learned that Cops was still being shot (live on scene with the men and women of law enforcement)
there's also that Live PD show that was pretty wild
Post by: cfbandyman on June 10, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
I was about to half-sarcastically suggest that if all that indoor space is underutilized most nights when it's not being occupied by protesters that it should be repurposed as a homeless shelter. Then I learned that it normally is used as a homeless shelter. The city had to shut that down the past week or so after prior protest damage.
This place is pretty nut(s).
The Seattle turn in this is not entirely some weird outcome to this (nor some inevitable thing as many on the right who are trying to subvert the protests) but it definitely plays well into a sharp deviation from the point of the protests. It's definitely trying to hijack a movement for totally selfish reasons though IMO
Post by: michigancat on June 10, 2020, 01:57:11 PM
https://twitter.com/SanFranciscoPOA/status/1270741418336645120
Post by: star seed 7 on June 10, 2020, 02:12:47 PM
Post by: Trim on June 10, 2020, 09:15:37 PM
https://twitter.com/evergreenstone/status/1270881667981299713
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2020, 11:45:12 PM
https://twitter.com/mdslock/status/1271113571401900033
Post by: kim carnes on June 11, 2020, 11:55:53 PM
Cops suck so hard
https://twitter.com/mdslock/status/1271113571401900033
Kind of a bigoted post
Post by: Spracne on June 12, 2020, 03:55:41 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/127677fdc4a37660f515cfeb10b99539.jpg)
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2020, 06:37:39 PM
Post by: CHONGS on June 13, 2020, 08:29:57 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 13, 2020, 11:04:58 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on June 15, 2020, 07:54:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaqWLKY/status/1272653039468531712
Post by: cfbandyman on June 15, 2020, 10:32:59 PM
Reason: Was the Shooting of Rayshard Brooks 'Lawful but Awful'?.
https://reason.com/2020/06/15/was-the-shooting-of-rayshard-brooks-lawful-but-awful/
Law & Aw?
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 03:02:19 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/henriette.selestine/posts/2839075606320095
probably should have gone in the SF things thread
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 10:51:35 PM
https://twitter.com/ByAdamWagner/status/1274150273532022786
Post by: Spracne on June 19, 2020, 11:03:13 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 20, 2020, 12:01:38 AM
Who are the statues of? Anyone know?
nobody important
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2020, 12:04:15 AM
https://twitter.com/jrivanob/status/1274194145838428160
Post by: sys on June 20, 2020, 12:29:44 AM
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2020, 01:40:34 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 20, 2020, 01:58:09 PM
That would be Union General and President Ulysses S. Grant?
Left off slave owner
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2020, 02:11:47 PM
That would be Union General and President Ulysses S. Grant?
Left off slave owner
I'm not going to look too much into it, but his wiki page seems to suggest his ties to slavery were pretty weak, with lots of evidence suggesting he supported emancipation (like teabagging the Confederacy). There should be more nuance when peering into the past. If the standard is that recordable history starts at the point where the badges of racism cease to exist in society, then history has yet to begin.
Anyway, I guess I just was unaware that Grant had been cancelled.
Post by: chum1 on June 20, 2020, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 20, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 20, 2020, 06:30:24 PM
Personally I don’t really gaf about any statues but I do think the vandals should pay for the damage.
like a reparation?
Post by: DQ12 on June 20, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 20, 2020, 10:50:29 PM
Well except this would be payment from the exact perpetrators to the exact victim. So maybe more like a lawsuit.Personally I don’t really gaf about any statues but I do think the vandals should pay for the damage.
like a reparation?
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 12:14:48 AM
Well except this would be payment from the exact perpetrators to the exact victim. So maybe more like a lawsuit.Personally I don’t really gaf about any statues but I do think the vandals should pay for the damage.
like a reparation?
you should look up the definition of the word "reparation". "Exactness" doesn't have anything to do with it
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 21, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
That would be Union General and President Ulysses S. Grant?
Left off slave owner
I'm not going to look too much into it, but his wiki page seems to suggest his ties to slavery were pretty weak, with lots of evidence suggesting he supported emancipation (like teabagging the Confederacy). There should be more nuance when peering into the past. If the standard is that recordable history starts at the point where the badges of racism cease to exist in society, then history has yet to begin.
Anyway, I guess I just was unaware that Grant had been cancelled.
You own one fellow human being and they never let you live it down...
Post by: catastrophe on June 21, 2020, 10:56:41 AM
I truly have no idea where you are going with this.Well except this would be payment from the exact perpetrators to the exact victim. So maybe more like a lawsuit.Personally I don’t really gaf about any statues but I do think the vandals should pay for the damage.
like a reparation?
you should look up the definition of the word "reparation". "Exactness" doesn't have anything to do with it
Post by: Spracne on June 21, 2020, 01:08:40 PM
That would be Union General and President Ulysses S. Grant?
Left off slave owner
I'm not going to look too much into it, but his wiki page seems to suggest his ties to slavery were pretty weak, with lots of evidence suggesting he supported emancipation (like teabagging the Confederacy). There should be more nuance when peering into the past. If the standard is that recordable history starts at the point where the badges of racism cease to exist in society, then history has yet to begin.
Anyway, I guess I just was unaware that Grant had been cancelled.
You own one fellow human being and they never let you live it down...
You say this, but in 50 years when the vast majority of humans realize how barbaric the practice of imbibing energy drinks was, I hope you're not around to find out for whom the bell tolls. Hint: for thee.
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
I truly have no idea where you are going with this.Well except this would be payment from the exact perpetrators to the exact victim. So maybe more like a lawsuit.Personally I don’t really gaf about any statues but I do think the vandals should pay for the damage.
like a reparation?
you should look up the definition of the word "reparation". "Exactness" doesn't have anything to do with it
you're too caught up in the details. why would anyone give a eff about tearing down one USG statue? if 300 confederate statues get torn down, that's awesome right? but if protestors tear down 300 confederate statues and 1 USG statue, now all of a sudden it's a rough ridin' travesty.
Post by: sys on June 21, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 21, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
That would be Union General and President Ulysses S. Grant?
Left off slave owner
I'm not going to look too much into it, but his wiki page seems to suggest his ties to slavery were pretty weak, with lots of evidence suggesting he supported emancipation (like teabagging the Confederacy). There should be more nuance when peering into the past. If the standard is that recordable history starts at the point where the badges of racism cease to exist in society, then history has yet to begin.
Anyway, I guess I just was unaware that Grant had been cancelled.
You own one fellow human being and they never let you live it down...
You say this, but in 50 years when the vast majority of humans realize how barbaric the practice of imbibing energy drinks was, I hope you're not around to find out for whom the bell tolls. Hint: for thee.
Then my statues will have to come down. It’s the rules
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
Post by: michigancat on June 21, 2020, 03:35:31 PM
It's also interesting that I learned he was a slaveowner because of it, considering the main non-racist argument against tearing down the confederate statues is you'll forget history.
Post by: DQ12 on June 21, 2020, 03:59:11 PM
Great. Glad we agree that tearing down the Grant statue was dumb.yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
Post by: kim carnes on June 21, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
You could literally say the same thing about this country and yet your maligning it on this board constantly.
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 04:25:30 PM
Great. Glad we agree that tearing down the Grant statue was dumb.yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
whose life is negatively affected by that? much ado about nothing
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 04:29:12 PM
yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
You could literally say the same thing about this country and yet your maligning it on this board constantly.
except when the country fucks up, people needlessly suffer. that's alot different from tearing down a statue of a union general (a victimless crime).
Post by: sys on June 21, 2020, 05:32:06 PM
whose life is negatively affected by that? much ado about nothing
this is literally the same argument made by those who oppose removing statues of confederate soldiers.
and it's just as stupid on either side. the stories we tell ourselves about our history matter. they're part of what forms our culture.
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 06:10:46 PM
whose life is negatively affected by that? much ado about nothing
this is literally the same argument made by those who oppose removing statues of confederate soldiers.
and it's just as stupid on either side. the stories we tell ourselves about our history matter. they're part of what forms our culture.
except that people's lives ARE negatively affected by glorification of the antebellum south. it really seems to be picking nits - you tear down one statue that maybe didn't deserve to be torn down and every POS pub comes out of the woodwork to suggest that the BLM movement is dangerous, or stupid, or just an example of cancel culture, instead of the many great substantive things that it is
Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 21, 2020, 06:14:29 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 06:15:39 PM
treysolid :facepalm:
POS pub right on cue
Post by: Spracne on June 21, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
Great. Glad we agree that tearing down the Grant statue was dumb.yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
whose life is negatively affected by that? much ado about nothing
I happen to be the great-great-great great-grandson of USG, and I can tell you this hit me like a shot to the gut.
Post by: DQ12 on June 21, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
You can be critical of tearing down the USG statue without condemning the broader movement. As proof, many people have done it right here in the last page and a half of this thread.whose life is negatively affected by that? much ado about nothing
this is literally the same argument made by those who oppose removing statues of confederate soldiers.
and it's just as stupid on either side. the stories we tell ourselves about our history matter. they're part of what forms our culture.
except that people's lives ARE negatively affected by glorification of the antebellum south. it really seems to be picking nits - you tear down one statue that maybe didn't deserve to be torn down and every POS pub comes out of the woodwork to suggest that the BLM movement is dangerous, or stupid, or just an example of cancel culture, instead of the many great substantive things that it is
Post by: treysolid on June 21, 2020, 06:53:28 PM
Great. Glad we agree that tearing down the Grant statue was dumb.yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
whose life is negatively affected by that? much ado about nothing
I happen to be the great-great-great great-grandson of USG, and I can tell you this hit me like a shot to the gut.
my condolences for your loss, spracs
Post by: wetwillie on June 21, 2020, 07:03:48 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 21, 2020, 07:15:21 PM
If people want to topple statues there is one in MHK I could direct them towards.
What do you have against Johnny kaw, fascist?
Post by: 8manpick on June 21, 2020, 07:45:48 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200622/a7e497980e2be1f533683bfa1856b063.jpg)If people want to topple statues there is one in MHK I could direct them towards.
What do you have against Johnny kaw, fascist?
Post by: LickNeckey on June 21, 2020, 07:49:27 PM
Post by: sys on June 21, 2020, 08:08:16 PM
you tear down one statue that maybe didn't deserve to be torn down and every POS pub comes out of the woodwork to suggest that the BLM movement is dangerous, or stupid, or just an example of cancel culture.
no one is saying that. they're saying that one small group of people in one city was just randomly pulling down statues without any real justification or rationale.
of the three statues they pulled down, they pulled down two that were like: "huh, that's weird." and one that was like: "lol, you dudes are complete dumbasses."
Post by: Fedor on June 23, 2020, 10:45:44 AM
Yeah, just like the police. :dunno:yeah, look it's bad and the people that tore down that statue are dumbasses. you don't have to reflexively defend everything that people you perceive as on your side do.
at the same time, it's also counterproductive to malign a movement that's doing a lot of good things just because they aren't doing everything perfectly :dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 23, 2020, 01:29:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2020, 01:51:48 PM
Jesus Christ.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2020, 02:05:11 PM
are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?
Jesus Christ.
Show us some of your best statue pulling knots, cRusty
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 23, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?
Jesus Christ.
Fedor appears to have been saying that, i was just pointing out the general irony of trey's position.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2020, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
This debate has been a chance to learn just how pathetic and weak the confederacy was
Its supporters really want to hold onto their participation trophies.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2020, 03:51:32 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2020, 05:54:41 PM
Predominately impacting black people who live in the area, and who are sick of it. ATL cops; no where to be found.
No sustained cries for arrest of those who are armed from the Useful Idiot Political Left. Very weird.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2020, 05:58:36 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 24, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
so Trey if i'm understanding your point, the BLM movement is -- on the whole -- doing an overwhelming amount good...and just because it isn't perfect that doesn't mean that it deserves to be...torn down?
I'm sorry - are you suggesting that a USG statue has been an overwhelming force for good? Or that confederate statues are are overwhelming force for good? Or that the confederacy was an overwhelming force for good?
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2020, 08:32:43 AM
so Trey if i'm understanding your point, the BLM movement is -- on the whole -- doing an overwhelming amount good...and just because it isn't perfect that doesn't mean that it deserves to be...torn down?
I'm sorry - are you suggesting that a USG statue has been an overwhelming force for good? Or that confederate statues are are overwhelming force for good? Or that the confederacy was an overwhelming force for good?
I will suggest that Ulysses S Grant was an overwhelming force for good, and is worth celebrating with, say, a statue.
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 09:25:57 AM
are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 09:34:39 AM
are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
eh, re-read Fedor's and BAC's posts
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 09:45:45 AM
Good point.are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
eh, re-read Fedor's and BAC's posts
It's an interesting thought though. If "bad apples" (and their associated non-condemnors) are representative of the police, shouldn't they be representative of the protesters? Probably not, but it's worth thinking about a little bit, even if only to enlighten fedor/bac.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
Good point.are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
eh, re-read Fedor's and BAC's posts
It's an interesting thought though. If "bad apples" (and their associated non-condemnors) are representative of the police, shouldn't they be representative of the protesters? Probably not, but it's worth thinking about a little bit, even if only to enlighten fedor/bac.
well one bad apple is committing murder while officially representing their organization and the other is committing vandalism while not representing any organization. But both are wrong! so I guess they are the same.
great thought experiment
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 24, 2020, 10:40:44 AM
damn guys lets just hold up for one second. Y'all mfrs completely missed the point of my original post. had nothing to do with supporting the police or preserving confederate statues don't lump me in with that nonsense.Good point.are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
eh, re-read Fedor's and BAC's posts
It's an interesting thought though. If "bad apples" (and their associated non-condemnors) are representative of the police, shouldn't they be representative of the protesters? Probably not, but it's worth thinking about a little bit, even if only to enlighten fedor/bac.
well one bad apple is committing murder while officially representing their organization and the other is committing vandalism while not representing any organization. But both are wrong! so I guess they are the same.
great thought experiment
Post by: MakeItRain on June 24, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 10:48:33 AM
I think protesters are representative of the protest movement.Good point.are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
eh, re-read Fedor's and BAC's posts
It's an interesting thought though. If "bad apples" (and their associated non-condemnors) are representative of the police, shouldn't they be representative of the protesters? Probably not, but it's worth thinking about a little bit, even if only to enlighten fedor/bac.
well one bad apple is committing murder while officially representing their organization and the other is committing vandalism while not representing any organization. But both are wrong! so I guess they are the same.
great thought experiment
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 10:51:40 AM
Who cares about these dumb statues? It's not going to lead to an erasure of history or anything. These statues are seen by such a small percentage of the population. The black civil war regimen memorial in Boston, we talked about in another thread, I didn't even know existed and I lived in Boston. I'm more concerned with businesses like the Wendy's being burned, people work at those places. No one works at a statue.I don't care about the statues very much. But I do think symbols are important. That's why I think it's OK and understand the importance of toppling statues honoring confederate symbols and why I'm opposed to toppling statues honoring people for doing legitimately great things.
I don't think toppling the statue of USG (or whichever "good guy") is some zeitgeist issue or anything, but I do think it reflects poorly on the individuals doing it and instances like it detract from the broader movement.
Post by: Trim on June 24, 2020, 10:55:04 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 24, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
Who cares about these dumb statues? It's not going to lead to an erasure of history or anything. These statues are seen by such a small percentage of the population. The black civil war regimen memorial in Boston, we talked about in another thread, I didn't even know existed and I lived in Boston. I'm more concerned with businesses like the Wendy's being burned, people work at those places. No one works at a statue.I don't care about the statues very much. But I do think symbols are important. That's why I think it's OK and understand the importance of toppling statues honoring confederate symbols and why I'm opposed to toppling statues honoring people for doing legitimately great things.
I don't think toppling the statue of USG (or whichever "good guy") is some zeitgeist issue or anything, but I do think it reflects poorly on the individuals doing it and instances like it detract from the broader movement.
Eye of the beholder though, who determines what's good other than the person/people taking the statues down? In for a penny, in for a pound. Also in this specific case, I will strongly disagree that taking down a structure that you (general term) don't think should be taken down, takes away from the larger movement. First of all, that's a personal choice, for you to draw anything bigger out of, someone doing that. Secondly, what larger movement are we attributing this to? It isn't like this is a coordinated effort, it's just different people all around the world doing it. These people almost certainly have different motivations.
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Of course it's eye of the beholder. Who determines what's good? I do. So do you. I think we can both have opinions about historical figures to determine whether or not we think defacing a particular statue is good, bad, or neutral. I'd place defacing a John C. Calhoun statue somewhere on the good/neutral continuum. I'd place defacing a USG statue near or at "bad." It bothers me some if a statue of USG or someone else I admire is destroyed.Who cares about these dumb statues? It's not going to lead to an erasure of history or anything. These statues are seen by such a small percentage of the population. The black civil war regimen memorial in Boston, we talked about in another thread, I didn't even know existed and I lived in Boston. I'm more concerned with businesses like the Wendy's being burned, people work at those places. No one works at a statue.I don't care about the statues very much. But I do think symbols are important. That's why I think it's OK and understand the importance of toppling statues honoring confederate symbols and why I'm opposed to toppling statues honoring people for doing legitimately great things.
I don't think toppling the statue of USG (or whichever "good guy") is some zeitgeist issue or anything, but I do think it reflects poorly on the individuals doing it and instances like it detract from the broader movement.
Eye of the beholder though, who determines what's good other than the person/people taking the statues down? In for a penny, in for a pound. Also in this specific case, I will strongly disagree that taking down a structure that you (general term) don't think should be taken down, takes away from the larger movement. First of all, that's a personal choice, for you to draw anything bigger out of, someone doing that. Secondly, what larger movement are we attributing this to? It isn't like this is a coordinated effort, it's just different people all around the world doing it. These people almost certainly have different motivations.
I agree that it's unfair to take single instances of (perceived) bad behavior and attribute it to a wider, amorphous group, when that group doesn't endorse that behavior, and I try to my best not to do that. But I think that's kind of the environment we're in. When you have a broad protest movement across the country countering racial injustice, and, (apparently) it bleeds into destroying statues of people who had nothing to do with racial injustice or actively fought against it, it can appear inconsistent with the broader movement. I'm not holding BLM or the Protest (in general) accountable for it, but I do think these instances harm the message of the broader movement. It's easy (even if wrong) to look at the defacement of a USG statue and think "ok 'the protests' have jumped the shark" -- which is shitty.
Post by: catastrophe on June 24, 2020, 12:50:22 PM
The bigger issue (which is getting buried now) is the poisonous mindset that you need to defend the bad apples because if you don’t it will undermine the greater good being done.I think protesters are representative of the protest movement.Good point.are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?I don't think anyone's doing that. I think people are pointing out the absurdity of this discreet act, and others, for some reason, think it's their responsibility to defend the act.
Jesus Christ.
The easy-out here is saying "yeah those people are wrong for doing that" and we all move on.
eh, re-read Fedor's and BAC's posts
It's an interesting thought though. If "bad apples" (and their associated non-condemnors) are representative of the police, shouldn't they be representative of the protesters? Probably not, but it's worth thinking about a little bit, even if only to enlighten fedor/bac.
well one bad apple is committing murder while officially representing their organization and the other is committing vandalism while not representing any organization. But both are wrong! so I guess they are the same.
great thought experiment
It’s the excuse Republicans used to back Trump
It’s the excuse decent police officers use to refrain from reporting on a fellow officer or telling them to BTFO in the moment
And it’s the excuse being used to defend the actions of some idiot BLM protestors
We could do a lot to combat tribalism if everyone just got in the habit of calling out stuff that is plainly bad
Post by: sys on June 24, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 01:52:44 PM
a good way to avoid people generalizing from a small number of people vandalizing public property to a larger movement is for people involved with, or supportive of, the movement to say - "oh, hey, those people that just tore down a statue of a genuine civil war hero are dumbasses." instead of defending them.
who is defending them?
Post by: sys on June 24, 2020, 02:21:40 PM
Post by: Fedor on June 24, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
Samsies.are you dumbasses really comparing BLM-adjacent protests tearing down Grant's statue to cops straight up murdering people?
Jesus Christ.
Fedor appears to have been saying that, i was just pointing out the general irony of trey's position.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 02:28:01 PM
a decent chunk of twitter. trey, mir and to a lesser extent you are doing a half-hearted effort here.
So no one of any consequence?
I think they were dumbasses, but I take issue with the notion that saying these protestors are just "bad apples" is the same as saying murdering cops are just "bad apples". It's a really obtuse take.
Post by: sys on June 24, 2020, 02:31:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 02:35:34 PM
i mean, no, not biden or sanders or any politician or anything like that. but it's a non-trivial portion of people i interact with regarding politics and such.
you only interact with weird beto fanatics. (I will not hold their actions against all weird beto fanatics)
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
I mean, those people were part of the conversation we were having.a decent chunk of twitter. trey, mir and to a lesser extent you are doing a half-hearted effort here.
So no one of any consequence?
I think they were dumbasses, but I take issue with the notion that saying these protestors are just "bad apples" is the same as saying murdering cops are just "bad apples". It's a really obtuse take.
I don't think it's the "same" at all, but I think there are parallels between individuals doing bad things and those things reflecting poorly on a broader group of people. There are obviously a lot of important distinctions too (e.g., one is murder by a state actor and the other isn't), but it's worth keeping in mind, imo.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 02:36:13 PM
but it's worth keeping in mind, imo.
not really
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 02:39:24 PM
ok!but it's worth keeping in mind, imo.
not really
Post by: sys on June 24, 2020, 02:42:15 PM
you only interact with weird beto fanatics. (I will not hold their actions against all weird beto fanatics)
i denounce all weirdness by beto fanatics.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 24, 2020, 10:01:56 PM
a decent chunk of twitter. trey, mir and to a lesser extent you are doing a half-hearted effort here.
If you took me saying that I think the statues are largely irrelevant as a defense of people taking them down, I'd have to question what the hell you're reading. I've never even addressed what I think about the act. Shall I propose people pulling down statues be hung?
For the record I think that individuals pulling down statues, whether they Nathan Bedford Forrest or Martin Luther King Jr, are guilty of a crime, and I wouldn't shed a tear if any of them got convicted. The governments and individual institutions who put them up should face the pressure of defending having them up. Pulling them down without accountability for those responsible for them continuing to have them up accomplishes nothing.
Thank you for asking though, sys, always appreciate speaking to you way up there on that high horse.
Post by: CHONGS on June 25, 2020, 01:02:44 PM
Quote
After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’
“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.
“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”
Could also be xposted in MAGA thread. One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 25, 2020, 01:26:27 PM
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/QuoteAfter more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’
“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.
“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”
Could also be xposted in MAGA thread. One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.
They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
Post by: DQ12 on June 25, 2020, 01:51:30 PM
I certainly hope so.https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/QuoteAfter more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’
“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.
“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”
Could also be xposted in MAGA thread. One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.
They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
Post by: michigancat on June 25, 2020, 02:21:23 PM
I certainly hope so.https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/QuoteAfter more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’
“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.
“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”
Could also be xposted in MAGA thread. One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.
They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
that's a violation of their constitutional rights
Post by: DQ12 on June 25, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Yeah it probably is, isn't it?I certainly hope so.https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/QuoteAfter more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’
“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.
“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”
Could also be xposted in MAGA thread. One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.
They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
that's a violation of their constitutional rights
Post by: MakeItRain on June 25, 2020, 03:31:40 PM
Yeah it probably is, isn't it?I certainly hope so.https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/QuoteAfter more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’
“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.
“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”
Could also be xposted in MAGA thread. One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.
They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
that's a violation of their constitutional rights
There are some states that give judges the ability to take away licenses and temporarily impound guns if that person is deemed to be a risk to the population. I doubt that North Carolina is one of those states. I know that Colorado is because James Holmes had one of those hearings before his rampage but the judge let him keep his guns.
Post by: catastrophe on June 25, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 28, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
Post by: sys on July 01, 2020, 03:25:37 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1278287003948404739
Post by: DQ12 on July 01, 2020, 03:49:37 PM
ah. that clears it up.Honestly did a doubletake to make sure it wasn't babylonbee or something
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1278287003948404739
Post by: Institutional Control on July 02, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Got my invite to be a militia guy today! I’m so excited.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 02, 2020, 11:16:59 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2020, 12:45:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/3-cities-pilot-South-Africa-style-truth-15382477.php
Post by: chum1 on July 11, 2020, 08:01:47 AM
https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/1281799026195804161
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2020, 01:37:13 PM
Post by: nicname on July 11, 2020, 02:52:45 PM
Gross humans
But a very entertaining story
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Gross humans
But a very entertaining story
I wasn't entertained at all, in fact I couldn't finish it. The story about the Jewish school was a bit too much, I was getting physically disgusted. I dipped out midway though the story about him suing his father's estate.
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Yeah I was pretty much the sameGross humans
But a very entertaining story
I wasn't entertained at all, in fact I couldn't finish it. The story about the Jewish school was a bit too much, I was getting physically disgusted. I dipped out midway though the story about him suing his father's estate.
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2020, 06:14:19 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2020, 07:03:05 PM
Post by: sys on July 14, 2020, 06:52:56 PM
These people are remarkably awful.
https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/1281799026195804161
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1283138485721927681
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
Post by: DQ12 on July 14, 2020, 07:29:28 PM
Lol :blindfold:These people are remarkably awful.
https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/1281799026195804161
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1283138485721927681
Post by: WildcatNkilt on July 14, 2020, 08:48:59 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 08:52:26 PM
He is just the worst.Not for several people on this blog! To them he’s the best president ever!
Post by: sys on July 17, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
https://twitter.com/GNewburn/status/1284134965161205761
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 17, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 17, 2020, 05:58:01 PM
these are more focused on incarceration than policing per se. obviously connected, but of the two, excess incarceration is the larger problem.
https://twitter.com/GNewburn/status/1284134965161205761
These are great, two of them I wholeheartedly disagree with though. I love number two, essentially merging DAs with public defenders offices, although this could lead to big problems. The "judged by other factors" component can't be glazed over.
The two components I disagree with is with the appointment of judges instead of electing them. Who is appointing them? The best way to keep judges in check is to hold them accountable to less people? Nah, that ain't it. Aaron Persky is what should happen to judges who commit miscarriages of justice. There is a chance he doesn't lose his job if he's appointed by a person or a small board. The reform for judges should, like everyone else elected, be term limits.
The second component that I think is problematic is the removal of plea bargains. Implementing this would have to come with massive sentencing reform that isn't coming. Yes, the plea bargain system can be abused, but it's also used to keep people out of jail. This is like getting rid of SNAP because a small number of people abuse the system.
Post by: michigancat on July 17, 2020, 06:17:21 PM
I think number 9 covers that. I agree with all of them for the most part.these are more focused on incarceration than policing per se. obviously connected, but of the two, excess incarceration is the larger problem.
https://twitter.com/GNewburn/status/1284134965161205761
These are great, two of them I wholeheartedly disagree with though. I love number two, essentially merging DAs with public defenders offices, although this could lead to big problems. The "judged by other factors" component can't be glazed over.
The two components I disagree with is with the appointment of judges instead of electing them. Who is appointing them? The best way to keep judges in check is to hold them accountable to less people? Nah, that ain't it. Aaron Persky is what should happen to judges who commit miscarriages of justice. There is a chance he doesn't lose his job if he's appointed by a person or a small board. The reform for judges should, like everyone else elected, be term limits.
The second component that I think is problematic is the removal of plea bargains. Implementing this would have to come with massive sentencing reform that isn't coming. Yes, the plea bargain system can be abused, but it's also used to keep people out of jail. This is like getting rid of SNAP because a small number of people abuse the system.
Post by: Spracne on July 17, 2020, 06:56:47 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
Post by: Katpappy on July 17, 2020, 08:55:38 PM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
Post by: catastrophe on July 17, 2020, 10:00:17 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2020, 03:02:48 AM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
Zackly. And that's why things like mandatory minimum sentences are BS, because it leaves no room for consideration of other relevant factors. I really love the idea of taking the reasonableness of sentencing out of the hands of the state and placing it in the hands of the people. That changes everything.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2020, 04:18:48 AM
Electing judges doesn’t make them accountable to the people, it makes them beholden to special interests. Which is fine IMO if we’re talking policy makers, but pretty mumped up when you’re talking about someone whose entire job is being impartial.
How would appointing judges make them any less potentially corruptable or impartial? First of all it's important to establish who exactly would be selecting these judges. Is it a government being in said jurisdictions? Do we really want small local governments selecting the police and the judges? Even on a state level, take states like Arkansas or Massachusetts, whose state power structure is completely centered around one party, are we letting these people select all judges? Again if you're involving our two party system in any of this, you're inviting potential corruption and definite partisanship.
The Cato article mentioned a nebulous, "like Europe does." What does that mean? All European countries have different ways of selecting judges. In England the queens selects judges based on advice of the PM who gets his/her info from a panel.
It's easy to disagree without offering anything even close to resembling a solution. The only issue with electing judges is that the electorate are far too disinterested in the process, and laziness isn't a good enough reason to disassemble an institution without a viable alternative.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2020, 04:31:48 AM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
No, you need to be completely guilty to be found guilty. Getting into degrees of guilt lowers the burden for proving guilt, that can't happen. Plea bargains shouldn't be used as a way for prosecutors to hedge their bets, they should be used for keeping people out of jail who may be guilty of a crime but who don't belong in jail.
Spracne, I'm not going to play the dax/tbt game with you. If you want to discuss something I've posted I'll be happy to do so, what I'm not going to do is engage in the pointless bullshit you pulled in your last reply to me. If you can't convey a coherent thought for me to address, I don't know why bother replying. If your point was simply that you disagree but can't tell us why, you have to know that literally no one cares who you disagree with. It's a message board, in which people give their opinions on various topics, it's a given that people will disagree, simply disagreeing with someone/anyone is in no way noteworthy. IMO.
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2020, 05:14:08 AM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
No, you need to be completely guilty to be found guilty. Getting into degrees of guilt lowers the burden for proving guilt, that can't happen. Plea bargains shouldn't be used as a way for prosecutors to hedge their bets, they should be used for keeping people out of jail who may be guilty of a crime but who don't belong in jail.
Spracne, I'm not going to play the dax/tbt game with you. If you want to discuss something I've posted I'll be happy to do so, what I'm not going to do is engage in the pointless bullshit you pulled in your last reply to me. If you can't convey a coherent thought for me to address, I don't know why bother replying. If your point was simply that you disagree but can't tell us why, you have to know that literally no one cares who you disagree with. It's a message board, in which people give their opinions on various topics, it's a given that people will disagree, simply disagreeing with someone/anyone is in no way noteworthy. IMO.
In that case, I'm glad you asked. The people who founded this Country put at least a little thought into the new form of government they were creating from whole cloth. What we ended up with is now familiar, but at the time it was truly novel. Certain of these concepts were codified in our Constitution, and so they have endured.
The whole concept of a third branch of government was to act as a check on the more mercurial, political branches of government. To that end, it was decided that judges were to be appointed for life, pending good behavior (NB: this is the "check"; judicial officers may be impeached and removed for good cause).
Why would we appoint judges for life tenure, subject to good behavior? Because, that is the best way to promote impartiality and independence. Hopefully, only qualified jurists would be elevated to such a position, and they should be allowed to exercise their independent judgment without political pressure or perverse incentives. But in most state court systems, the judges who are actually incarcerating your run-of-the-mill "criminals" are elected officials. Their interests are often the same as the local D.A., i.e., to appear as "tough on crime" as the local voters prefer, even if the local sentiments are less than, uh, enlightened.
As catastrophe said, the electorate has proven themselves to be incompetent when it comes to this. Candidly, federal judges--who are appointed for life--are almost always far more competent than their state court peers.
In short, I believe wholeheartedly that, once appointed, judges should be removed from influence by political pressures.
Post by: catastrophe on July 18, 2020, 09:53:33 AM
Electing judges doesn’t make them accountable to the people, it makes them beholden to special interests. Which is fine IMO if we’re talking policy makers, but pretty mumped up when you’re talking about someone whose entire job is being impartial.
How would appointing judges make them any less potentially corruptable or impartial? First of all it's important to establish who exactly would be selecting these judges. Is it a government being in said jurisdictions? Do we really want small local governments selecting the police and the judges? Even on a state level, take states like Arkansas or Massachusetts, whose state power structure is completely centered around one party, are we letting these people select all judges? Again if you're involving our two party system in any of this, you're inviting potential corruption and definite partisanship.
The Cato article mentioned a nebulous, "like Europe does." What does that mean? All European countries have different ways of selecting judges. In England the queens selects judges based on advice of the PM who gets his/her info from a panel.
It's easy to disagree without offering anything even close to resembling a solution. The only issue with electing judges is that the electorate are far too disinterested in the process, and laziness isn't a good enough reason to disassemble an institution without a viable alternative.
There’s still the risk of partisanship among appointed judges, but not nearly as much as elected ones. The Supreme Court has had plenty of examples of appointed conservatives/liberals shifting to the other side. Regardless, you’re talking about an ideological problem, which is still way better than putting judges in a position where they might feel a personal stake in how a case is decided because of political consequences.
Which goes to your last point. An interested electorate wouldn’t fix the issue. It could make it worse if you had factions trying to intervene during cases to influence the outcomes.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 18, 2020, 08:16:29 PM
https://twitter.com/youranonnews/status/1284657400180609024
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
No, you need to be completely guilty to be found guilty. Getting into degrees of guilt lowers the burden for proving guilt, that can't happen. Plea bargains shouldn't be used as a way for prosecutors to hedge their bets, they should be used for keeping people out of jail who may be guilty of a crime but who don't belong in jail.
Spracne, I'm not going to play the dax/tbt game with you. If you want to discuss something I've posted I'll be happy to do so, what I'm not going to do is engage in the pointless bullshit you pulled in your last reply to me. If you can't convey a coherent thought for me to address, I don't know why bother replying. If your point was simply that you disagree but can't tell us why, you have to know that literally no one cares who you disagree with. It's a message board, in which people give their opinions on various topics, it's a given that people will disagree, simply disagreeing with someone/anyone is in no way noteworthy. IMO.
In that case, I'm glad you asked. The people who founded this Country put at least a little thought into the new form of government they were creating from whole cloth. What we ended up with is now familiar, but at the time it was truly novel. Certain of these concepts were codified in our Constitution, and so they have endured.
The whole concept of a third branch of government was to act as a check on the more mercurial, political branches of government. To that end, it was decided that judges were to be appointed for life, pending good behavior (NB: this is the "check"; judicial officers may be impeached and removed for good cause).
Why would we appoint judges for life tenure, subject to good behavior? Because, that is the best way to promote impartiality and independence. Hopefully, only qualified jurists would be elevated to such a position, and they should be allowed to exercise their independent judgment without political pressure or perverse incentives. But in most state court systems, the judges who are actually incarcerating your run-of-the-mill "criminals" are elected officials. Their interests are often the same as the local D.A., i.e., to appear as "tough on crime" as the local voters prefer, even if the local sentiments are less than, uh, enlightened.
As catastrophe said, the electorate has proven themselves to be incompetent when it comes to this. Candidly, federal judges--who are appointed for life--are almost always far more competent than their state court peers.
In short, I believe wholeheartedly that, once appointed, judges should be removed from influence by political pressures.
So the only thing I said you disagreed with was lifetime appointments? Pretty dramatic for such a small disagreement. Unless I missed it in the cato article they did not distinguish between appointed federal judges and elected trial judges. Since they mentioned that they didn't feel judges should be elected, I'm guessing their focus was on locally elected judges. Nearly all of my previous post was discussing the perils of appointing local judges, I never advocated for electing federal judges.
I didn't need the civics lesson, appreciate it though. I do have a couple of questions though since you brought it up. How frequently has an appointed federal judges been remove for misconduct. In all of your vast legal knowledge is it more, less, or equally likely that an elected judge is recalled or a federal judge is removed?
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2020, 10:41:58 PM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
No, you need to be completely guilty to be found guilty. Getting into degrees of guilt lowers the burden for proving guilt, that can't happen. Plea bargains shouldn't be used as a way for prosecutors to hedge their bets, they should be used for keeping people out of jail who may be guilty of a crime but who don't belong in jail.
Spracne, I'm not going to play the dax/tbt game with you. If you want to discuss something I've posted I'll be happy to do so, what I'm not going to do is engage in the pointless bullshit you pulled in your last reply to me. If you can't convey a coherent thought for me to address, I don't know why bother replying. If your point was simply that you disagree but can't tell us why, you have to know that literally no one cares who you disagree with. It's a message board, in which people give their opinions on various topics, it's a given that people will disagree, simply disagreeing with someone/anyone is in no way noteworthy. IMO.
In that case, I'm glad you asked. The people who founded this Country put at least a little thought into the new form of government they were creating from whole cloth. What we ended up with is now familiar, but at the time it was truly novel. Certain of these concepts were codified in our Constitution, and so they have endured.
The whole concept of a third branch of government was to act as a check on the more mercurial, political branches of government. To that end, it was decided that judges were to be appointed for life, pending good behavior (NB: this is the "check"; judicial officers may be impeached and removed for good cause).
Why would we appoint judges for life tenure, subject to good behavior? Because, that is the best way to promote impartiality and independence. Hopefully, only qualified jurists would be elevated to such a position, and they should be allowed to exercise their independent judgment without political pressure or perverse incentives. But in most state court systems, the judges who are actually incarcerating your run-of-the-mill "criminals" are elected officials. Their interests are often the same as the local D.A., i.e., to appear as "tough on crime" as the local voters prefer, even if the local sentiments are less than, uh, enlightened.
As catastrophe said, the electorate has proven themselves to be incompetent when it comes to this. Candidly, federal judges--who are appointed for life--are almost always far more competent than their state court peers.
In short, I believe wholeheartedly that, once appointed, judges should be removed from influence by political pressures.
So the only thing I said you disagreed with was lifetime appointments? Pretty dramatic for such a small disagreement. Unless I missed it in the cato article they did not distinguish between appointed federal judges and elected trial judges. Since they mentioned that they didn't feel judges should be elected, I'm guessing their focus was on locally elected judges. Nearly all of my previous post was discussing the perils of appointing local judges, I never advocated for electing federal judges.
I didn't need the civics lesson, appreciate it though. I do have a couple of questions though since you brought it up. How frequently has an appointed federal judges been remove for misconduct. In all of your vast legal knowledge is it more, less, or equally likely that an elected judge is recalled or a federal judge is removed?
You said
Quote
The two components I disagree with is with the appointment of judges instead of electing them. Who is appointing them? The best way to keep judges in check is to hold them accountable to less people? Nah, that ain't it.
So, I guess I'll let you clarify. Do you think judges should be elected or appointed?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2020, 10:44:21 PM
Electing judges doesn’t make them accountable to the people, it makes them beholden to special interests. Which is fine IMO if we’re talking policy makers, but pretty mumped up when you’re talking about someone whose entire job is being impartial.
How would appointing judges make them any less potentially corruptable or impartial? First of all it's important to establish who exactly would be selecting these judges. Is it a government being in said jurisdictions? Do we really want small local governments selecting the police and the judges? Even on a state level, take states like Arkansas or Massachusetts, whose state power structure is completely centered around one party, are we letting these people select all judges? Again if you're involving our two party system in any of this, you're inviting potential corruption and definite partisanship.
The Cato article mentioned a nebulous, "like Europe does." What does that mean? All European countries have different ways of selecting judges. In England the queens selects judges based on advice of the PM who gets his/her info from a panel.
It's easy to disagree without offering anything even close to resembling a solution. The only issue with electing judges is that the electorate are far too disinterested in the process, and laziness isn't a good enough reason to disassemble an institution without a viable alternative.
There’s still the risk of partisanship among appointed judges, but not nearly as much as elected ones. The Supreme Court has had plenty of examples of appointed conservatives/liberals shifting to the other side. Regardless, you’re talking about an ideological problem, which is still way better than putting judges in a position where they might feel a personal stake in how a case is decided because of political consequences.
Which goes to your last point. An interested electorate wouldn’t fix the issue. It could make it worse if you had factions trying to intervene during cases to influence the outcomes.
When I talk about an interested and informed electorate, I meant having a knowledge base on how judges rule from the bench. I attributed our lack of info about judges to laziness but that isn't fair, I really don't even know how one would know how an incumbent treats their role as a judge when compared to an opponent, unless that judge has done something very wrong, again Aaron Persky.
As long as they are putting political parties on judges on ballots, there isn't any way voting on judges could be more partisan. Insane that is done, btw.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2020, 11:01:59 PM
I did not know that about the Athenian system, but that sounds awesome. I would implement that tomorrow.
I wholeheartedly disagree with MIR's view regarding elected vs. appointed judges. I could not possibly disagree more with every single point he made in that regard. I don't even know where to start...
It's seems that in most cases the person on trial is not completely guilty or innocent. I would think the prosecutor and defense attorney should set with the jury to determine the extent of guilt, as a set 1 to 10 for determining punishment if any. I think this would be a closer accounting of the crime.
No, you need to be completely guilty to be found guilty. Getting into degrees of guilt lowers the burden for proving guilt, that can't happen. Plea bargains shouldn't be used as a way for prosecutors to hedge their bets, they should be used for keeping people out of jail who may be guilty of a crime but who don't belong in jail.
Spracne, I'm not going to play the dax/tbt game with you. If you want to discuss something I've posted I'll be happy to do so, what I'm not going to do is engage in the pointless bullshit you pulled in your last reply to me. If you can't convey a coherent thought for me to address, I don't know why bother replying. If your point was simply that you disagree but can't tell us why, you have to know that literally no one cares who you disagree with. It's a message board, in which people give their opinions on various topics, it's a given that people will disagree, simply disagreeing with someone/anyone is in no way noteworthy. IMO.
In that case, I'm glad you asked. The people who founded this Country put at least a little thought into the new form of government they were creating from whole cloth. What we ended up with is now familiar, but at the time it was truly novel. Certain of these concepts were codified in our Constitution, and so they have endured.
The whole concept of a third branch of government was to act as a check on the more mercurial, political branches of government. To that end, it was decided that judges were to be appointed for life, pending good behavior (NB: this is the "check"; judicial officers may be impeached and removed for good cause).
Why would we appoint judges for life tenure, subject to good behavior? Because, that is the best way to promote impartiality and independence. Hopefully, only qualified jurists would be elevated to such a position, and they should be allowed to exercise their independent judgment without political pressure or perverse incentives. But in most state court systems, the judges who are actually incarcerating your run-of-the-mill "criminals" are elected officials. Their interests are often the same as the local D.A., i.e., to appear as "tough on crime" as the local voters prefer, even if the local sentiments are less than, uh, enlightened.
As catastrophe said, the electorate has proven themselves to be incompetent when it comes to this. Candidly, federal judges--who are appointed for life--are almost always far more competent than their state court peers.
In short, I believe wholeheartedly that, once appointed, judges should be removed from influence by political pressures.
So the only thing I said you disagreed with was lifetime appointments? Pretty dramatic for such a small disagreement. Unless I missed it in the cato article they did not distinguish between appointed federal judges and elected trial judges. Since they mentioned that they didn't feel judges should be elected, I'm guessing their focus was on locally elected judges. Nearly all of my previous post was discussing the perils of appointing local judges, I never advocated for electing federal judges.
I didn't need the civics lesson, appreciate it though. I do have a couple of questions though since you brought it up. How frequently has an appointed federal judges been remove for misconduct. In all of your vast legal knowledge is it more, less, or equally likely that an elected judge is recalled or a federal judge is removed?
You saidQuoteThe two components I disagree with is with the appointment of judges instead of electing them. Who is appointing them? The best way to keep judges in check is to hold them accountable to less people? Nah, that ain't it.
So, I guess I'll let you clarify. Do you think judges should be elected or appointed?
Federal or district? I've made the distinction several times. I took exception to district judges being appointed and said why. I'm okay with federal judges continuing to be appointed, I've never said otherwise. The context of that quote was the cato article stating that judges should no longer be elected.
I certainly don't have the level of faith in federal judges that you do. The current state of the judicial branch is not exactly operating exactly like the founding fathers had in mind. We've spoke before litmus tests with the SCOTUS. The litmus tests and political favor trading is much worse with federal court appointees, and this is in no way limited to one party.
Post by: Trim on July 19, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
(https://www.wweek.com/resizer/J-2J9arjXZ_v6PGoaYyKrKcR298=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/wweek/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/18155732/july_18_after_midnight_protests-9.jpg)
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https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/07/18/federal-officers-and-portland-police-simultaneously-dispersed-protesters-last-night/
Post by: michigancat on July 19, 2020, 12:31:19 AM
Post by: sys on July 19, 2020, 12:51:42 AM
It's not easy to research local judges imo
yeah, i've tried and it's pretty close to a brick wall. voting on judges feels like throwing darts.
i don't think facing an electorate is needed for judges, but if it is felt to be necessary, i think you might be able to get better results by having an elected official, or a panel of elected officials, whose only job is to appoint judges. then those appointers can be held responsible for their appointees.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2020, 01:44:48 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 20, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
I think assigning a single 10 year term to judges would keep them removed from political pressure and also drastically lower the stakes of any appointment. It also prevents someone from holding onto their seat after losing cognitive capacity.
10 years! There has to be a mechanism for removal in this instance.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 20, 2020, 09:35:28 PM
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-17/coronavirus-is-now-spreading-faster-in-the-suburbs-than-in-la-county
Should probably cross post.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 20, 2020, 09:42:57 PM
https://unherd.com/2020/07/the-ugly-truth-about-the-blm-protests/
Tracey also wrote a story for the WSJ that sits behind a pay wall. In it he describes one African American woman whose hair salon was burnt to the ground, she lost everything. The white liberal Governor and Amy "completely worthless" Klobuchar met with her and other minority business owners who were burned out in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant after it happened and in the interim have done exactly jack crap to assist those business owners. Which is too be expected.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 20, 2020, 10:23:53 PM
For instance, black Americans whom I’ve spoken to on the street across America in randomly-selected encounters were almost unanimous in their approval of the National Guard deployments to their neighborhood during the riots. If anything, their main criticism was that these deployments came too late to prevent the destruction.
https://unherd.com/2020/07/the-ugly-truth-about-the-blm-protests/
Tracey also wrote a story for the WSJ that sits behind a pay wall. In it he describes one African American woman whose hair salon was burnt to the ground, she lost everything. The white liberal Governor and Amy "completely worthless" Klobuchar met with her and other minority business owners who were burned out in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant after it happened and in the interim have done exactly jack crap to assist those business owners. Which is too be expected.
That headline, woof.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2020, 07:16:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2020, 07:17:49 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
New home sales, predominately burb living was up 111% off the recent bottom in the NE and is nearing a 13 year pre mortgage bubble high.
The inner city living exodus has also begun in the MW, with new home sales, again, predominately in the burbs up 33% off the recent lows.
In total, overall new home sales have now rebounded completely across the country to being up 6.6% YOY.
Prediction: The New Downtown's springing up in cornfields and grazing pastures will explode in the coming years.
Sodsoppa, only with cows
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 11:41:34 AM
The exodus from city living in the NE and MW has begun.
New home sales, predominately burb living was up 111% off the recent bottom in the NE and is nearing a 13 year pre mortgage bubble high.
The inner city living exodus has also begun in the MW, with new home sales, again, predominately in the burbs up 33% off the recent lows.
In total, overall new home sales have now rebounded completely across the country to being up 6.6% YOY.
Prediction: The New Downtown's springing up in cornfields and grazing pastures will explode in the coming years.
Sodsoppa, only with cows
^belongs in coronabros thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 11:43:42 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
The exodus from city living in the NE and MW has begun.lmao, gonna turn Texas blue AF
New home sales, predominately burb living was up 111% off the recent bottom in the NE and is nearing a 13 year pre mortgage bubble high.
The inner city living exodus has also begun in the MW, with new home sales, again, predominately in the burbs up 33% off the recent lows.
In total, overall new home sales have now rebounded completely across the country to being up 6.6% YOY.
Prediction: The New Downtown's springing up in cornfields and grazing pastures will explode in the coming years.
Sodsoppa, only with cows
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Post by: Tobias on July 24, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Even the near burb white flight upper middle/upper class enclaves of BHAM are blue AF.
Demographic and urban development/planning observer genius - Me:
Classifications
Inner/Core City, Near Burbs, Middle Burbs, and The Burbs/Pretend Ranchers/Pretend Farmers
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 03:15:21 PM
Shoulder to Shoulder Strong, the (white middle/upper middle class) ProgFacists and their mommies march the streets.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2020, 03:38:44 PM
The 4 pre-dominate urban core's in AL . . . blue AF.
Even the near burb white flight upper middle/upper class enclaves of BHAM are blue AF.
Demographic and urban development/planning observer genius - Me:
Classifications
Inner/Core City, Near Burbs, Middle Burbs, and The Burbs/Pretend Ranchers/Pretend Farmers
AL will still be red AF because the poor/fat magas will turn out for trump
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
The 4 pre-dominate urban core's in AL . . . blue AF.
Even the near burb white flight upper middle/upper class enclaves of BHAM are blue AF.
Demographic and urban development/planning observer genius - Me:
Classifications
Inner/Core City, Near Burbs, Middle Burbs, and The Burbs/Pretend Ranchers/Pretend Farmers
AL will still be red AF because the poor/fat magas will turn out for trump
Hopefully for your party's sake the nearly 800,000 more fat MAGA's in Missouri won't turn out for Trump.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2020, 04:06:46 PM
The 4 pre-dominate urban core's in AL . . . blue AF.
Even the near burb white flight upper middle/upper class enclaves of BHAM are blue AF.
Demographic and urban development/planning observer genius - Me:
Classifications
Inner/Core City, Near Burbs, Middle Burbs, and The Burbs/Pretend Ranchers/Pretend Farmers
AL will still be red AF because the poor/fat magas will turn out for trump
Hopefully for your party's sake the nearly 800,000 more fat MAGA's in Missouri won't turn out for Trump.
meh, I don't think MO will swing this election so the always obese magas can stay home.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2020, 04:12:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
The 4 pre-dominate urban core's in AL . . . blue AF.
Even the near burb white flight upper middle/upper class enclaves of BHAM are blue AF.
Demographic and urban development/planning observer genius - Me:
Classifications
Inner/Core City, Near Burbs, Middle Burbs, and The Burbs/Pretend Ranchers/Pretend Farmers
AL will still be red AF because the poor/fat magas will turn out for trump
Hopefully for your party's sake the nearly 800,000 more fat MAGA's in Missouri won't turn out for Trump.
meh, I don't think MO will swing this election so the always obese magas can stay home.
I was actually wrong, that would be 2.1 million voting obese in MO. As I said in another thread, it's about 60 divisions stronger than Bama. Could be a real win win for Trump in MO (home of KKK recruitment banners on Highway overpasses)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2020, 04:23:13 PM
The 4 pre-dominate urban core's in AL . . . blue AF.
Even the near burb white flight upper middle/upper class enclaves of BHAM are blue AF.
Demographic and urban development/planning observer genius - Me:
Classifications
Inner/Core City, Near Burbs, Middle Burbs, and The Burbs/Pretend Ranchers/Pretend Farmers
AL will still be red AF because the poor/fat magas will turn out for trump
Hopefully for your party's sake the nearly 800,000 more fat MAGA's in Missouri won't turn out for Trump.
meh, I don't think MO will swing this election so the always obese magas can stay home.
I was actually wrong, that would be 2.1 million voting obese in MO. As I said in another thread, it's about 60 divisions stronger than Bama. Could be a real win win for Trump in MO (home of KKK recruitment banners on Highway overpasses)
I think he has got the super fat and poor vote under wraps. Every over 35 BMI slob with butter boobs will be voting for him. in the bag
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2020, 04:28:33 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 04:41:51 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 24, 2020, 04:47:37 PM
They’ll be plenty of obese Missourians going for Biden. They keep the “Trump is going to cancel (insert Federal program here)” propaganda rolling through the servers by the Yottabyte
:lol:
Post by: Institutional Control on July 24, 2020, 09:54:45 PM
They’ll be plenty of obese Missourians going for Biden. They keep the “Trump is going to cancel (insert Federal program here)” propaganda rolling through the servers by the YottabyteLOL
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
In addition to the CoronaShaming for gathering in a large group.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-armed-militia-planning-louisville-march-claims-its-not-f-ing-around
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2020, 12:50:49 PM
The exodus from city living in the NE and MW has begun.
New home sales, predominately burb living was up 111% off the recent bottom in the NE and is nearing a 13 year pre mortgage bubble high.
The inner city living exodus has also begun in the MW, with new home sales, again, predominately in the burbs up 33% off the recent lows.
In total, overall new home sales have now rebounded completely across the country to being up 6.6% YOY.
Prediction: The New Downtown's springing up in cornfields and grazing pastures will explode in the coming years.
Sodsoppa, only with cows
My personal observo is that no one is leaving large metros because of any of the protests or riots, though wipipo in small towns and burbs are expressing tons of concerns. Corona on the other hand is removing a lot of the need to be local to an office and is significantly impacting city transportation, and frankly most of the positives of city life include crowds of people
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
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Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Post by: Trim on July 25, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 26, 2020, 03:32:31 AM
https://twitter.com/simonereports/status/1287197567772553216
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I don't get why they spayed there, those people were pulling that dude out of the way, is that not what they wanted?
Post by: LickNeckey on July 26, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
Dax?
Post by: steve dave on July 28, 2020, 12:32:22 PM
Here's the guy who busted up the Autozone windows, fwiw:
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1266146369905070080?s=20
Video of him actually breaking them is down the thread.
BLM PROTESTORS RULE!
https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1288156746431844352
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2020, 12:38:29 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 28, 2020, 01:22:52 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 28, 2020, 01:47:43 PM
. . . except when it's the white middle class and upper middle class kids hiding behind their mommies
So hundreds of federal cops are needed for that crowd? So beta.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2020, 02:36:39 PM
. . . except when it's the white middle class and upper middle class kids hiding behind their mommies
So hundreds of federal cops are needed for that crowd? So beta.
Some people don't get the human shield concept.
Post by: DQ12 on July 28, 2020, 03:04:03 PM
BLM PROTESTORS RULE!Hard to believe it wasn't the MSP cop who twitter identified him as.
https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1288156746431844352
Hope the POS gets what's coming to him (a substantial prison sentence).
Post by: chum1 on July 29, 2020, 06:46:23 AM
https://twitter.com/7im/status/1288260340086497280
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2020, 07:13:46 AM
Sad that resident ProgFascists are so easily propagandized. But simpletons are easy to manipulate.
Post by: Institutional Control on August 04, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2020, 01:04:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2020, 02:56:33 PM
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/husband-of-l-a-county-da-jackie-lacey-to-face-charges-after-waving-gun-at-protesters/
Post by: nicname on August 04, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
https://twitter.com/colinenpraxis/status/1290527556802711553?s=20
Jmo, but people screaming about trivial crap that doesn’t matter takes away from real bad crap like this that actually matters and needs to stop like yesterday.
Edit to add that coddled, far left white kids usurping necessary and justified protests calling for an end to police brutality makes it harder for the message that needs to be heard as well.
Post by: catastrophe on August 04, 2020, 04:05:55 PM
Post by: nicname on August 04, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
Pointing a gun at a little kid and making them lay down cuffed on hot asphalt is trivial?
Read again. It’s a bit rambling, but the point is clear.
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
https://twitter.com/colinenpraxis/status/1290527556802711553?s=20
Jmo, but people screaming about trivial crap that doesn’t matter takes away from real bad crap like this that actually matters and needs to stop like yesterday.
Edit to add that coddled, far left white kids usurping necessary and justified protests calling for an end to police brutality makes it harder for the message that needs to be heard as well.
What are examples of trivial crap people are screaming about and what are some protests that aren't justified?
Post by: nicname on August 04, 2020, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: nicname on August 04, 2020, 11:38:37 PM
katkid will like this one.
https://reason.com/2020/08/04/auburn-university-professor-cops-cancel-culture/
And crap like this lmfao, how absurd.
Post by: treysolid on August 04, 2020, 11:42:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2020, 11:55:33 PM
I’ll try to answer more thoroughly when I have more time later today, but just as a quick example, I think kid calling out sweaty Gary for his N-bomb fits here.
I think the sweaty gary thing was discussed and handled appropriately. AFAIK it didn't get any major media attention and made for an interesting discussion on the football board and seems to have been handled at TCU.
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article244688892.html
it certainly took zero attention from what happened in colorado
Post by: nicname on August 05, 2020, 12:36:47 AM
JFC, rusty. Gary’s deal isn’t important, and I never claimed that that single deal took away from any real progress. But take the Gary thing and then add a bazillion other things of similar (little) consequence that people are clamoring about, and I believe that it detrimental.
You may not. That’s fine.
Post by: nicname on August 05, 2020, 12:39:31 AM
we can only fix one problem at a time?
I never said that. I’d also add that a lot of the crap getting run on social
Media, and to a lesser extent headlines aren’t even real problems at all.
Post by: sys on August 05, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx?utm_source=tagrss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication
Tbh not all that interesting in that alot of it seems like it's generally understood, but I guess is good to check your assumptions/understanding.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/315962/americans-say-policing-needs-major-changes.aspx
I think this one is more interesting. Like I didn't expect Asian Americans to be more about abolishing the police or that 15% thought it was a good idea.
very interesting. most of those are about what i'd have expected, except basically all of the asian stuff.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 05, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
What, no dramatic police raid with warrants?
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/husband-of-l-a-county-da-jackie-lacey-to-face-charges-after-waving-gun-at-protesters/
Notice here, unlike in Missouri, three partisan governor didn't get involved in a local case. Those crackers literally did the same crap. I wonder why MAGQ aren't caping up for these people.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2020, 10:58:12 PM
What, no dramatic police raid with warrants?
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/husband-of-l-a-county-da-jackie-lacey-to-face-charges-after-waving-gun-at-protesters/
Notice here, unlike in Missouri, three partisan governor didn't get involved in a local case. Those crackers literally did the same crap. I wonder why MAGQ aren't caping up for these people.
Oh, I would never expect the ProgFascits Leadership in California to step up for a prosecutor, particularly when the Marxist BLM is involved.
WGAF if the prosecutor had been receiving death threats and those people were trespassing.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 05, 2020, 11:01:16 PM
What, no dramatic police raid with warrants?
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/husband-of-l-a-county-da-jackie-lacey-to-face-charges-after-waving-gun-at-protesters/
Notice here, unlike in Missouri, three partisan governor didn't get involved in a local case. Those crackers literally did the same crap. I wonder why MAGQ aren't caping up for these people.
Oh, I would never expect the ProgFascits Leadership in California to step up for a prosecutor, particularly when the Marxist BLM is involved.
WGAF if the prosecutor had been receiving death threats and those people were trespassing.
I'm sure you and your friends are all over the place advocating for these people, I'm certain you aren't only defending these nice black people in here to troll.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
What, no dramatic police raid with warrants?
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/husband-of-l-a-county-da-jackie-lacey-to-face-charges-after-waving-gun-at-protesters/
Notice here, unlike in Missouri, three partisan governor didn't get involved in a local case. Those crackers literally did the same crap. I wonder why MAGQ aren't caping up for these people.
Oh, I would never expect the ProgFascits Leadership in California to step up for a prosecutor, particularly when the Marxist BLM is involved.
WGAF if the prosecutor had been receiving death threats and those people were trespassing.
I'm sure you and your friends are all over the place advocating for these people, I'm certain you aren't only defending these nice black people in here to troll.
I'm sure they're very nice people and BLM was trespassing (as usual)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2020, 07:08:56 AM
Dax posted this because he thinks all black people think alike and he's astounded that there's a diversity in opinions amongst us. It's why he got so horned up about the Biden quote, it was self-affirming.No dipshit. It’s white liberals that think all black people think alike.
Is there anyone that is as consistently wrong as you on this board?
No, no there isn’t.
Post by: nicname on August 12, 2020, 02:55:22 AM
[youtube] https://youtu.be/7zthJUf31MA[/youtube]
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2020, 08:34:54 AM
Dax posted this because he thinks all black people think alike and he's astounded that there's a diversity in opinions amongst us. It's why he got so horned up about the Biden quote, it was self-affirming.No dipshit. It’s white liberals that think all black people think alike.
Is there anyone that is as consistently wrong as you on this board?
No, no there isn’t.
Dax is functionally unable to process the fact that the Democratic party is not a monolith
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 08:36:06 AM
Dax posted this because he thinks all black people think alike and he's astounded that there's a diversity in opinions amongst us. It's why he got so horned up about the Biden quote, it was self-affirming.No dipshit. It’s white liberals that think all black people think alike.
Is there anyone that is as consistently wrong as you on this board?
No, no there isn’t.
Dax is functionally unable to process the fact that the Democratic party is not a monolith
People like you and board lunatic use that tact as the standard tap out.
It's sad.
Inside very progressive . . . is a fascist trying to get out.
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2020, 08:41:21 AM
Dax posted this because he thinks all black people think alike and he's astounded that there's a diversity in opinions amongst us. It's why he got so horned up about the Biden quote, it was self-affirming.No dipshit. It’s white liberals that think all black people think alike.
Is there anyone that is as consistently wrong as you on this board?
No, no there isn’t.
Dax is functionally unable to process the fact that the Democratic party is not a monolith
People like you and board lunatic use that tact as the standard tap out.
It's sad.
Inside very progressive . . . is a fascist trying to get out.
great counterpoint
i find it fascinating that you are unable to communicate with actual human being and instead rely on an argumentative approach in which you pre-suppose everyone elses beliefs and opinions
would be interested in a psychological/sociological analysis of what made you like this
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 08:54:18 AM
Dax posted this because he thinks all black people think alike and he's astounded that there's a diversity in opinions amongst us. It's why he got so horned up about the Biden quote, it was self-affirming.No dipshit. It’s white liberals that think all black people think alike.
Is there anyone that is as consistently wrong as you on this board?
No, no there isn’t.
Dax is functionally unable to process the fact that the Democratic party is not a monolith
People like you and board lunatic use that tact as the standard tap out.
It's sad.
Inside very progressive . . . is a fascist trying to get out.
great counterpoint
i find it fascinating that you are unable to communicate with actual human being and instead rely on an argumentative approach in which you pre-suppose everyone elses beliefs and opinions
would be interested in a psychological/sociological analysis of what made you like this
First of all Lick, it's awesome that you assume all the community leaders lobbying for a greater police presence in minority communities are Democrats, I mean :lol:
I'll leave any discussion of your blanket statement assertions about me for another discussion.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 20, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
My only concern now is for the mommies of the YLF who have been at the forefront of protecting their precious middle and upper middle class lil babies from the occupiers.
Post by: nicname on August 20, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1295235403847368704
Jfc. What is wrong w/ the world?
According to report I heard on KFH (Wichita) radio this morning, there is a few layers to this story.
Guy who got kicked now claiming the incident started when after stopping at the Portland version of QT for a soda, he and his gf noticed a group of protestors threatening and then eventually beating and robbing a fellow protestor.
Guy who got kicked claims the victim of the beating/robbing was a trans woman (former man, I think), and when he stepped in to stop the incident the other BLMs turned their focus on him and his gf.
Guy says they got in their SUV to drive away, but we’re followed and surrounded by the kicking crew. Says he attempted to flee by hitting the gas hoping they would get out of the way. They didn’t. He stopped and then all the stuff outside of the car happened.
Guy also claims to have been a participant in BLM protests as well, because as a felon and multi time misdemeanor offender he’s been beaten and roughed up by police as well.
All this info is from the radio snippet I heard this morning.
Edit: apparently the guy or gf I dunno who was driving, crashed into a tree
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 21, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 21, 2020, 01:20:50 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 21, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
My FB feed said the guy who got kicked died. I don't know, the lamestream media didn't cover it.
Nah, just looks like a raccoon
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1296465709422215168
Post by: steve dave on August 21, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 21, 2020, 10:36:23 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on August 26, 2020, 11:59:39 AM
https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1298506228268662784
Post by: Phil Titola on August 26, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1298669264568586240?s=20
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:37:21 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 26, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
There's rioters pouring in from Chicago and elsewhere (again), Phil.
(again)
LOL, you do a great job parroting what orange man wants you to say yet can't do 5 seconds to google if it's true (again)
https://time.com/5845680/out-of-state-agitators-minnesota-george-floyd-protests-barr/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:44:01 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 26, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
Oh okay Phil. If you need to believe this is entirely the indigenous populace then you're welcome to continue to live in your little world of delusion.
No, it's actually 17 year olds with guns coming in and killing people.
It's just weird that all these out of state protestors coming in to cause problems are slick enough to not get arrested. Must be daring the locals to do the bad stuff and snickering while they get arrested. Real Tom Sawyers of the protest world.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:49:29 PM
Oh okay Phil. If you need to believe this is entirely the indigenous populace then you're welcome to continue to live in your little world of delusion.
No, it's actually 17 year olds with guns coming in and killing people.
It's just weird that all these out of state protestors coming in to cause problems are slick enough to not get arrested. Must be daring the locals to do the bad stuff and snickering while they get arrested. Real Tom Sawyers of the protest world.
As we've seen time and time again, it's the locals who are tired of all the bullshit from people who don't live there.
Should I start posting the videos of locals going off on protesters who aren't even from those communities? Or will that trigger you too much?
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2020, 12:50:00 PM
Conservative facebook was right when they said people were crossing statelines to cause problems, they just had the wrong side:
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1298669264568586240?s=20
This is HUGE on texags today. They love it. Cheering him on to shoot more "leftists" because they aren't really people. Lots of "bring on the race war, BLM won't like the outcome" posts. Not one person asking why a 17 yr old from out of town is running around armed (after 3 days of completely trashing the conway girl as a slut, psycho, stupid, communist, etc.). It's one of the grossest threads I've come across there and that's really saying something.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Post by: catastrophe on August 26, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 26, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
Oh okay Phil. If you need to believe this is entirely the indigenous populace then you're welcome to continue to live in your little world of delusion.
No, it's actually 17 year olds with guns coming in and killing people.
It's just weird that all these out of state protestors coming in to cause problems are slick enough to not get arrested. Must be daring the locals to do the bad stuff and snickering while they get arrested. Real Tom Sawyers of the protest world.
As we've seen time and time again, it's the locals who are tired of all the bullshit from people who don't live there.
Should I start posting the videos of locals going off on protesters who aren't even from those communities? Or will that trigger you too much?
I'll remain triggered on a 17 year old driving in from out of state to "protect" property that isn't his and kill people. I'm sure those videos really horn you up though. Thanks.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:54:19 PM
I think the murder may be a significant factor in this one.
Who said it wasn't?
You guys lose your mind if someone that your told is "Alt-Right" shows up with a gun, but when the "Alt-Left" shows up 4 deep with the M-16's it's not a big deal, apparently.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 26, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
I don't condone any of that stuff, but we've seen armed militia on the other side as well. You guys said nothing.
Yes I"m sure the ones who don't want to see every dickhole with a gun are saying nothing Dax.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:57:03 PM
Oh okay Phil. If you need to believe this is entirely the indigenous populace then you're welcome to continue to live in your little world of delusion.
No, it's actually 17 year olds with guns coming in and killing people.
It's just weird that all these out of state protestors coming in to cause problems are slick enough to not get arrested. Must be daring the locals to do the bad stuff and snickering while they get arrested. Real Tom Sawyers of the protest world.
As we've seen time and time again, it's the locals who are tired of all the bullshit from people who don't live there.
Should I start posting the videos of locals going off on protesters who aren't even from those communities? Or will that trigger you too much?
I'll remain triggered on a 17 year old driving in from out of state to "protect" property that isn't his and kill people. I'm sure those videos really horn you up though. Thanks.
The usual drama boy meltdown by, Phil.
You'll meltdown about this, but say nothing about the wanton destruction of property. Those folks got insurance!!
There were multiple shootings inside the Capital Hill district in Seattle and still a large faction of the alt-left was saying to keep it going and to keep the cops out.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 12:58:14 PM
I don't condone any of that stuff, but we've seen armed militia on the other side as well. You guys said nothing.
Yes I"m sure the ones who don't want to see every dickhole with a gun are saying nothing Dax.
Pfft, barely a word was said. You only meltdown if someone tells you it's "Alt-Right" drama boy and you know it. Good grief.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
We can only assume that he would rather see the communities and businesses go up in flames, and allow the rioters to take over from those that are rightfully protesting.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 26, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
Conservative facebook was right when they said people were crossing statelines to cause problems, they just had the wrong side:
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1298669264568586240?s=20
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Post by: cfbandyman on August 26, 2020, 02:07:28 PM
I think the double murder may be a significant factor in this one.
Just a little bit, just like the guy in Charlottesville who ran over and killed someone. BUT LOOK AT ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN CARS! YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT THAT!!! :curse:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 02:22:36 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 26, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
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Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2020, 03:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1298716647046307840
Post by: DQ12 on August 26, 2020, 03:47:20 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 26, 2020, 03:57:19 PM
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1298721240748711936
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2020, 04:22:37 PM
Post by: nicname on August 26, 2020, 04:27:59 PM
I dunno how much of that is already done. Jmo
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2020, 04:59:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1298710512243322883
Post by: steve dave on August 26, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
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Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 26, 2020, 06:49:07 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2020, 06:56:50 PM
Post by: Trim on August 26, 2020, 06:59:09 PM
Not gonna lie watching MiR beat the crap out of KSO right now is a guilty pleasure
Post the beatings, ww!
Post by: nicname on August 26, 2020, 07:01:12 PM
Not gonna lie watching MiR beat the crap out of KSO right now is a guilty pleasure
Has he engaged ccox yet?
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2020, 07:05:12 PM
Not gonna lie watching MiR beat the crap out of KSO right now is a guilty pleasure
Has he engaged ccox yet?
He’s playing chess and they are playing checkers. Reminds me of when Beems used to run through this board like a hot knife through butter. You can see the rage spilling over into their posts.
Post by: nicname on August 26, 2020, 08:41:50 PM
Not gonna lie watching MiR beat the crap out of KSO right now is a guilty pleasure
Has he engaged ccox yet?
He’s playing chess and they are playing checkers. Reminds me of when Beems used to run through this board like a hot knife through butter. You can see the rage spilling over into their posts.
Oh I read them earlier. Ccox was the only one talking any substance. The other guys were soft toss and MIR was hitting on a tball field.
Post by: sys on August 26, 2020, 08:52:17 PM
Post by: mocat on August 26, 2020, 08:53:21 PM
ccox was the worst of the bunch. 9000 words to announce he can't decide if it's cool to shoot people in the back or not, the answer is probably in the middle. what a rough ridin' chode.Whoa bro
Post by: wetwillie on August 26, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
ccox was the worst of the bunch. 9000 words to announce he can't decide if it's cool to shoot people in the back or not, the answer is probably in the middle. what a rough ridin' chode.
I couldn’t figure out how to post the martavious DNR meme to his initial monologue
Post by: steve dave on August 26, 2020, 09:25:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgYRVEWWsAAI70F?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2020, 09:48:24 PM
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Post by: nicname on August 26, 2020, 10:06:50 PM
ccox was the worst of the bunch. 9000 words to announce he can't decide if it's cool to shoot people in the back or not, the answer is probably in the middle. what a rough ridin' chode.
He is very verbose. I do think he posts in good faith.
Post by: nicname on August 26, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
folks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgYRVEWWsAAI70F?format=jpg&name=small)
Sd with the gold as per usual
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2020, 10:42:27 PM
folks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgYRVEWWsAAI70F?format=jpg&name=small)
Oh my! That's amazing.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2020, 11:01:03 PM
Not gonna lie watching MiR beat the crap out of KSO right now is a guilty pleasure
I didn't want to get caught up in that but holy hell that message board is filled with people who at the very least can be classified as hostile and intolerant, with a few just out and out racists thrown in.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2020, 11:05:43 PM
folks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgYRVEWWsAAI70F?format=jpg&name=small)
I checked this account and it's definitely a parody account, but it was funny to see the account retweet this.
https://twitter.com/hcs2201/status/1298741166267969536
Our buddy paul_allen made the same joke at KSO.
Post by: cfbandyman on August 26, 2020, 11:20:35 PM
These assholes have been waiting for the ambiguous police brutality so they can act like it's NBD again and he deserved to be shot, and I wouldn't even say like a dog in the street because if a dog got 7 in the back for walking away from the cops everyone would be asking for that cop's head on a platter. Hell they did everything they could to destroy George Floyd even though it was patently indefensible. eff those people.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 07:59:50 AM
https://twitter.com/FromKalen/status/1298811484743651328?s=20
https://twitter.com/AndrewBVCU/status/1298810621929062400?s=20
https://twitter.com/courtneygodfrey/status/1298814285062299652?s=20
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1298957195007209474
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 10:29:58 AM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/ct-re-moving-looting-riots-protests-0826-20200826-ps432obfcbg3jhcinoyn4izbwq-story.html
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2020, 10:39:46 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Who could have possibly imagined that something like this would have happened in a Dem controlled state, where once again, the Dem governor refused to provide and accept proper law enforcement protection.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2020, 10:51:37 AM
I also add that's it's a great time to be alive as people travel to places that don't even live in order to incite riots and loot property while enablers cheer them on.
I'm not on board with the police or 17 year olds issuing the death penalty to looters.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 10:57:44 AM
I also add that's it's a great time to be alive as people travel to places that don't even live in order to incite riots and loot property while enablers cheer them on.
I'm not on board with the police or 17 year olds issuing the death penalty to looters.
Yep and that's why we all want this person prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Sadly we have yet another dipshit Dem governor who refused to properly protect the peaceful protesters, the members of the community and the business owners in this community. Same story, new state.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 27, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
Armed with semi-auto and White? Move along.
Shannon Sharpe said it best on his show.
https://twitter.com/ShannonSharpe/status/1298775259575795714
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2020, 11:15:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 11:21:07 AM
Interesting if true.
It's gone on for 91 straight days in Portland, so not a lot of getting in faces there, until now.
They didn't get in any people's faces in Seattle and multiple people ended up getting shot and killed because there were no cops around.
Not much getting in faces in Atlanta by that Wendy's Phil. and the people in that neighborhood who actually lived there ended up getting terrorized for days.
Excellent tactics, Phil.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2020, 11:26:28 AM
So the Kenosha police were getting in people's faces?
Interesting if true.
It's gone on for 91 straight days in Portland, so not a lot of getting in faces there, until now.
They didn't get in any people's faces in Seattle and multiple people ended up getting shot and killed because there were no cops around.
Not much getting in faces in Atlanta by that Wendy's Phil. and the people in that neighborhood who actually lived there ended up getting terrorized for days.
Excellent tactics, Phil.
If we want to judge protests by the bad actors that use them for bad intentions, you can see why people are fed up with police that bad actor officers use for bad intentions?
Post by: DQ12 on August 27, 2020, 11:28:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgZm2pZXYAAM466?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 11:31:59 AM
So the Kenosha police were getting in people's faces?
Interesting if true.
It's gone on for 91 straight days in Portland, so not a lot of getting in faces there, until now.
They didn't get in any people's faces in Seattle and multiple people ended up getting shot and killed because there were no cops around.
Not much getting in faces in Atlanta by that Wendy's Phil. and the people in that neighborhood who actually lived there ended up getting terrorized for days.
Excellent tactics, Phil.
If we want to judge protests by the bad actors that use them for bad intentions, you can see why people are fed up with police that bad actor officers use for bad intentions?
I agree Phil, I'm tired of bad cops, and I'm particularly tired of bad cops showing up again and again in long term Dem strongholds. I'm also tired of Dem Governors who don't properly protect the law abiding citizens, protesters and business owners in the cities of their states.
I'm tired of seeing people who actually live in many of these communities seeing the stores and businesses they depend on being burned out and ruined and I'm tired of seeing them have to navigate a gauntlet of lawlessness just to get to their jobs and to their schools.
Post by: cfbandyman on August 27, 2020, 01:03:19 PM
Or able to get police fired but their unions oh wait...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
Yes, all those police are under the thumb of those mayoral offices like KC oh wait...
Or able to get police fired but their unions oh wait...
No dummy, Trump controls all police, haven't you heard?
Dem Stronghold Politicians: We're not responsible for anything
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2020, 01:23:15 PM
Yes, all those police are under the thumb of those mayoral offices like KC oh wait...
Or able to get police fired but their unions oh wait...
No dummy, Trump controls all police, haven't you heard?
Dem Stronghold Politicians: We're not responsible for anything
You realize how dumb this "dem stronghold" point is right? Every city is a dem stronghold in your mind. I get that it's probably a Alabama talking point but it doesn't make any sense.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 02:11:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 02:36:38 PM
I know it's easy to get sucked into dax's insanely partisan vortex, but have you guys noticed, in true dax fashion, that he simultaneously thinks police killing black people is media driven fake news and also only democrats fault.
You have to be absolutely insane to even remotely believe that.
Straight out of the Alex Jones playbook. Wow
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 02:39:03 PM
Yes, all those police are under the thumb of those mayoral offices like KC oh wait...
Or able to get police fired but their unions oh wait...
No dummy, Trump controls all police, haven't you heard?
Dem Stronghold Politicians: We're not responsible for anything
You realize how dumb this "dem stronghold" point is right? Every city is a dem stronghold in your mind. I get that it's probably a Alabama talking point but it doesn't make any sense.
When you do what you do, and that's attempt to offload any and all culpability for nearly everything on to the Federal level of government and in most cases the Executive Branch (Republican only). You're going to get push back.
When are you going to demand that local and state officials that are Democrats take responsibility for those that they oversee and manage, Phil?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 27, 2020, 02:45:36 PM
So the Kenosha police were getting in people's faces?
Interesting if true.
It's gone on for 91 straight days in Portland, so not a lot of getting in faces there, until now.
They didn't get in any people's faces in Seattle and multiple people ended up getting shot and killed because there were no cops around.
Not much getting in faces in Atlanta by that Wendy's Phil. and the people in that neighborhood who actually lived there ended up getting terrorized for days.
Excellent tactics, Phil.
If we want to judge protests by the bad actors that use them for bad intentions, you can see why people are fed up with police that bad actor officers use for bad intentions?
I agree Phil, I'm tired of bad cops, and I'm particularly tired of bad cops showing up again and again in long term Dem strongholds. I'm also tired of Dem Governors who don't properly protect the law abiding citizens, protesters and business owners in the cities of their states.
I'm tired of seeing people who actually live in many of these communities seeing the stores and businesses they depend on being burned out and ruined and I'm tired of seeing them have to navigate a gauntlet of lawlessness just to get to their jobs and to their schools.
I could agree with all of this.
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 03:46:15 PM
https://twitter.com/robrousseau/status/1299068057269284864
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 03:57:52 PM
What intellectual depth!
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
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Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2020, 04:16:23 PM
Yes, all those police are under the thumb of those mayoral offices like KC oh wait...
Or able to get police fired but their unions oh wait...
No dummy, Trump controls all police, haven't you heard?
Dem Stronghold Politicians: We're not responsible for anything
You realize how dumb this "dem stronghold" point is right? Every city is a dem stronghold in your mind. I get that it's probably a Alabama talking point but it doesn't make any sense.
When you do what you do, and that's attempt to offload any and all culpability for nearly everything on to the Federal level of government and in most cases the Executive Branch (Republican only). You're going to get push back.
When are you going to demand that local and state officials that are Democrats take responsibility for those that they oversee and manage, Phil?
Dax I know we beat up on your boy a lot and it might feel like we're picking on him to you but I nor no one else I've seen is blaming Trump for the police killing black people for decades. I've been pretty adamant in KC specifically in getting local control of our police force so we can hold them and leaders accountable for their failures. Right now, our local politicians are toothless.
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2020, 04:31:40 PM
https://twitter.com/misstessowen/status/1299083730695393282
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dang zoomers and their jokes
Post by: treysolid on August 27, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 04:50:06 PM
I look forward to the links that discuss this.
Is there a sign or something that the "family values" right puts in the front yard?
Post by: nicname on August 27, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
https://twitter.com/misstessowen/status/1299083730695393282
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That Riley?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 04:55:11 PM
Post by: treysolid on August 27, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
Is there a sign or something that the "family values" right puts in the front yard?
actually, there is.
Post by: Katpappy on August 27, 2020, 04:56:42 PM
Another one of Rittenhouse’s classmates said he used to refer to the school, located in a Chicago suburb, as “libtard af.”
I'm wondering if this kid is any relation to Dax. :ROFL:
Post by: Trim on August 27, 2020, 05:12:46 PM
That Riley?
:lol:
Post by: Institutional Control on August 27, 2020, 05:20:03 PM
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Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
https://twitter.com/billforpa14/status/1298973208444637191?s=21
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https://twitter.com/BillforPA14/status/1298973210231308289
gee, ya think, Bill?
Post by: kim carnes on August 27, 2020, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2020, 06:04:42 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2020, 06:05:31 PM
What’s the plan for weeding all the bad guys out?Take away their guns
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 06:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/MarketWatch/status/1299015087760515073
I have to say that I was legitimately shocked at the number of people glorifying or excusing this scumbag and the lengths some are going to do so.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 06:30:28 PM
So the Kenosha police were getting in people's faces?
Interesting if true.
It's gone on for 91 straight days in Portland, so not a lot of getting in faces there, until now.
They didn't get in any people's faces in Seattle and multiple people ended up getting shot and killed because there were no cops around.
Not much getting in faces in Atlanta by that Wendy's Phil. and the people in that neighborhood who actually lived there ended up getting terrorized for days.
Excellent tactics, Phil.
If we want to judge protests by the bad actors that use them for bad intentions, you can see why people are fed up with police that bad actor officers use for bad intentions?
I agree Phil, I'm tired of bad cops, and I'm particularly tired of bad cops showing up again and again in long term Dem strongholds. I'm also tired of Dem Governors who don't properly protect the law abiding citizens, protesters and business owners in the cities of their states.
I'm tired of seeing people who actually live in many of these communities seeing the stores and businesses they depend on being burned out and ruined and I'm tired of seeing them have to navigate a gauntlet of lawlessness just to get to their jobs and to their schools.
I could agree with all of this.
It's quite a diversion
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 06:33:27 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 27, 2020, 07:32:45 PM
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123386/convictions-police-officers-arrested-murder-charge-us/
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Post by: kim carnes on August 27, 2020, 08:08:23 PM
What’s the plan for weeding all the bad guys out?Take away their guns
Oh so there is no plan. Glad we worked through that. The only thing you can do is make them all wear bodycams and prosecute them for murder if they kill someone unjustly.
Post by: kim carnes on August 27, 2020, 08:09:58 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2020, 08:35:23 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 08:35:32 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2020, 08:40:57 PM
What’s the plan for weeding all the bad guys out?Take away their guns
Oh so there is no plan. Glad we worked through that. The only thing you can do is make them all wear bodycams and prosecute them for murder if they kill someone unjustly.
Wow prosecuting murdering cops is a great plan. Congrats on solving this
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 08:41:27 PM
What’s the plan for weeding all the bad guys out?
Arrests and convictions for not only officers who use excessive force but for those who sit by and watch, you know like they do for other criminals.
All officers tried for crimes should be tried outside of the jurisdictions they work in. Judges would assign the jurisdictions, DA offices get no say.
Firings for chiefs and or captains in departments with high numbers of excessive force cases and departments with low scores in the DOJ civil rights score card.
Only hire officers who live in the jurisdiction they are working in.
Change training to reflect policing as guardianship and not with a warrior mentality.
Aggressive and constant anti-bias training
Not all officers get service weapons, they are earned with service time, spotless record, and rank.
And all these mayors/cities allowing them to run around without bodycams should be held accountable
Yep
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2020, 08:43:21 PM
I agree we have a gun saturated country and police do need them unfortunately.
Not all of them
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
I agree we have a gun saturated country and police do need them unfortunately.
Not all of them
also agree
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2020, 08:45:12 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on August 27, 2020, 08:48:45 PM
another product of shitty parenting by the so-called "family values" right
And you were the product of the mumped up parenting by the "wtf family value" left? Got it. For you to think you know what kind of family this kid grew up in is hilarious. And no, not defending this kid. Just stating that you think you know why he did what he did because of how he was raised is laughable.
Post by: kim carnes on August 27, 2020, 08:51:18 PM
What’s the plan for weeding all the bad guys out?Take away their guns
Oh so there is no plan. Glad we worked through that. The only thing you can do is make them all wear bodycams and prosecute them for murder if they kill someone unjustly.
Wow prosecuting murdering cops is a great plan. Congrats on solving this
I know. It’s the foundation of our entire criminal justice system.
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 08:55:44 PM
Post by: kim carnes on August 27, 2020, 09:02:03 PM
What’s the plan for weeding all the bad guys out?
Arrests and convictions for not only officers who use excessive force but for those who sit by and watch, you know like they do for other criminals.
All officers tried for crimes should be tried outside of the jurisdictions they work in. Judges would assign the jurisdictions, DA offices get no say.
Firings for chiefs and or captains in departments with high numbers of excessive force cases and departments with low scores in the DOJ civil rights score card.
Only hire officers who live in the jurisdiction they are working in.
Change training to reflect policing as guardianship and not with a warrior mentality.
Aggressive and constant anti-bias training
Not all officers get service weapons, they are earned with service time, spotless record, and rank.And all these mayors/cities allowing them to run around without bodycams should be held accountable
Yep
I was going to mention terminating officers for prior misconduct relating to abuse/overuse of force but I got lazy. It is also probably a lot easier said than done especially in instances without video footage.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 09:20:34 PM
another product of shitty parenting by the so-called "family values" right
And you were the product of the mumped up parenting by the "wtf family value" left? Got it. For you to think you know what kind of family this kid grew up in is hilarious. And no, not defending this kid. Just stating that you think you know why he did what he did because of how he was raised is laughable.
Yo, Triggered Tommy, his mom was there with him.
https://twitter.com/oldyes79/status/1299104759752859649
Post by: I_have_purplewood on August 27, 2020, 09:33:00 PM
another product of shitty parenting by the so-called "family values" right
And you were the product of the mumped up parenting by the "wtf family value" left? Got it. For you to think you know what kind of family this kid grew up in is hilarious. And no, not defending this kid. Just stating that you think you know why he did what he did because of how he was raised is laughable.
Yo, Triggered Tommy, his mom was there with him.
https://twitter.com/oldyes79/status/1299104759752859649
Hey, it's my favorite bigot chiming in. What a shock! Pretty sure I can guess what kind of family environment you grew up in.. :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)
And, I didn't know that his mom took him there. That is unfortunate but I would still never pass judgement on how someone was raised. No one knows what mumped up things people deal with growing up.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2020, 09:41:33 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on August 27, 2020, 09:44:54 PM
Yeah having a militia nerd as a mom would eff you up
True that! What was your cause?
Post by: bucket on August 27, 2020, 09:45:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2020, 09:46:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 09:54:26 PM
another product of shitty parenting by the so-called "family values" right
And you were the product of the mumped up parenting by the "wtf family value" left? Got it. For you to think you know what kind of family this kid grew up in is hilarious. And no, not defending this kid. Just stating that you think you know why he did what he did because of how he was raised is laughable.
Yo, Triggered Tommy, his mom was there with him.
https://twitter.com/oldyes79/status/1299104759752859649
Hey, it's my favorite bigot chiming in. What a shock! Pretty sure I can guess what kind of family environment you grew up in.. :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)
And, I didn't know that his mom took him there. That is unfortunate but I would still never pass judgement on how someone was raised. No one knows what mumped up things people deal with growing up.
I'm actually interested in hearing your guess here.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2020, 10:01:41 PM
https://twitter.com/billforpa14/status/1298973208444637191?s=21
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https://twitter.com/BillforPA14/status/1298973210231308289
gee, ya think, Bill?
Want to be further discouraged by cops? I posted this, without comment, at KSO and tagged a dude who says he's a cop. Here are his responses.
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More generalization and stereotyping.
I've had officers tell me similar, just like citizens tell me similar. Has nothing to do with profession.
Someone else posted this in response to his reply
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If you have had officers tell you similar, isn't that an indicator of a problem. A few too many guys that think like that in the police department.
And I still believe they must be a small minority. But one guy like Chauvin can cause a lot of problems.
So how do you weed guys like that out of the police?
Would make things a lot better for police who do their job correctly.
His reply couldn't be more dismissive
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You don't, the same way you don't weed them out of society.
People are people. They aren't allowed to have opinions? I didn't say they'd act on them.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on August 27, 2020, 10:06:59 PM
another product of shitty parenting by the so-called "family values" right
And you were the product of the mumped up parenting by the "wtf family value" left? Got it. For you to think you know what kind of family this kid grew up in is hilarious. And no, not defending this kid. Just stating that you think you know why he did what he did because of how he was raised is laughable.
Yo, Triggered Tommy, his mom was there with him.
https://twitter.com/oldyes79/status/1299104759752859649
Hey, it's my favorite bigot chiming in. What a shock! Pretty sure I can guess what kind of family environment you grew up in.. :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)
And, I didn't know that his mom took him there. That is unfortunate but I would still never pass judgement on how someone was raised. No one knows what mumped up things people deal with growing up.
I'm actually interested in hearing your guess here.
Well you got me here. I have no idea as does anyone else? I'm not going to waste anyones time trying to figure out how he was raised or how all these people who burn crap and loot were raised. Why get in an argument that they must have been raised better because they didn't kill someone...?? I think both could have been raised better. Maybe we should start a thread on that?
Post by: I_have_purplewood on August 27, 2020, 10:07:48 PM
Latchkey kid
lol.
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 28, 2020, 02:15:52 AM
https://twitter.com/billforpa14/status/1298973208444637191?s=21
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gee, ya think, Bill?
Want to be further discouraged by cops? I posted this, without comment, at KSO and tagged a dude who says he's a cop. Here are his responses.QuoteMore generalization and stereotyping.
I've had officers tell me similar, just like citizens tell me similar. Has nothing to do with profession.
Someone else posted this in response to his replyQuoteIf you have had officers tell you similar, isn't that an indicator of a problem. A few too many guys that think like that in the police department.
And I still believe they must be a small minority. But one guy like Chauvin can cause a lot of problems.
So how do you weed guys like that out of the police?
Would make things a lot better for police who do their job correctly.
His reply couldn't be more dismissiveQuoteYou don't, the same way you don't weed them out of society.
People are people. They aren't allowed to have opinions? I didn't say they'd act on them.
His latest reply is insane. This is a cop in the streets of some city right now.
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I didnt deflect and condone.
I said they're people, be accepting of opinions and the world is a way less angry place.
Being accepting of others would do a lot of good for you personally.
But continue blaming everyone else.
For a refresher, these are the opinions he's asking us to accept.
https://twitter.com/BillforPA14/status/1298973208444637191
I don't know how anyone could openly advocate for this type of language, these people are patrolling our streets. I cringe when I hear ACAB, but maybe I'm wrong.
Post by: chum1 on August 28, 2020, 07:02:05 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2020, 07:49:09 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 28, 2020, 08:25:25 AM
https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1299305016939950082Just another example of good people on both sides
Post by: bucket on August 28, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
the little incel called a friend to announce he killed somebody before he went out looking for more. No wonder he is an incel hero.
But right-wing media personalities tell me he was probably calling 911?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2020, 08:30:34 AM
Disgraceful
The good news I suppose is that appears that at least in Portland, they're hiding behind their mommies a little less these days.
Post by: chum1 on August 28, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1299369043430969344
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 28, 2020, 11:48:34 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2020, 12:00:10 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Post by: fun muffin on August 28, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1299383246287929344
https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1299383248322211841
https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1299383252218720259
https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1299383254810865666
Post by: bucket on August 28, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 12:56:20 PM
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1299398813065543686
Post by: fun muffin on August 28, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.
it's simple math.
Post by: bucket on August 28, 2020, 12:59:49 PM
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.
it's simple math.
If you can't understand why the Math is fudged then you're an idiot.
Post by: mocat on August 28, 2020, 01:00:46 PM
Post by: fun muffin on August 28, 2020, 01:01:48 PM
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.
it's simple math.
If you can't understand why the Math is fudged then you're an idiot.
Guess I'm an idiot. But i genuinely would love to learn. Please explain it to me.
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 28, 2020, 01:27:38 PM
Rural white America is ignorant on the history of black suppression in this country. They don't learn because they don't care...and because it does not affect them. The majority of small Kansas towns (for example) do not have a single black person in them. So why would there be any empathy towards them?
Quick Story:
My wife had a sad story about her Freshman year at Drake University. Her sorority roommate was from very rural northern Iowa. One day they pulled up to a gas station the first semester of college and her roommate hit the floor of the car. My wife at the time could not understand why. Well...it was because she saw a black man in public and immediately tagged him as a criminal. She didn't grow up with black people in a 100 mile radius. The only image she had was violence that was portrayed on the news and in movies. This white blonde girl ducked in the car because she was scared of a person due to the color of his skin and the fact she thought he was going to rob the gas station.
This still heavily exists today. I could put many members of my rural Kansas family in a room with a bunch of black people and they would react in the most weird and uncomfortable way you could imagine. I'm also confident a couple of my cousins would keep their hand on their knife just expecting to get robbed.
It's rough ridin' ridiculous and it needs to change.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 28, 2020, 01:49:56 PM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.
Post by: fun muffin on August 28, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.
I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be.
Post by: nicname on August 28, 2020, 02:14:03 PM
Disturbing thought. Makes sense, though.
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1299369043430969344
We have to dramatically change the way we see ourselves, people with similar views to us, and people with contrary views or it will only get worse. I don’t believe we are past the point of no return, but I have to imagine it is close.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2020, 03:11:19 PM
The FBI's most wanted in several cities reads like a whose-who of white middle and upper middle class kids living at the very pinnacle of first world problems. But to Da Big Sociopath's of this world, they're heroes. Who cares if they're helping burn down black businesses and communities as long as it's all OrangeMan: Bad
Disgraceful
The good news I suppose is that appears that at least in Portland, they're hiding behind their mommies a little less these days.
link?
Post by: nicname on August 28, 2020, 03:22:09 PM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Could both changing the way police are trained and disciplined, and curtailing violent crime (regardless of race) be tools to the solution of less people being killed by police?
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2020, 03:29:35 PM
https://twitter.com/coachMGM/status/1299033838459539457
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2020, 03:32:52 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2020, 03:48:04 PM
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Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 04:40:21 PM
Disturbing thought. Makes sense, though.
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1299369043430969344
those data are probably messy as hell, and i bet you could get wildly different results based on how you worded the survey question, but even accepting the graph as the only data source, cooper's interpretation doesn't make sense. you get approval pretty much instantaneously bouncing up to about 53% after the floyd murder. that approval then gradually drifts down to 49%. you don't need to touch a trump supporter to get 53 or 49%, but more importantly, that's only about a 4% change. the driver of the much larger change in net support is respondents changing from undecided to oppose, a change that happened more gradually than the change from undecided to support which is almost a straight line up right after floyd was murdered.
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 04:43:02 PM
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit
i thought defund the police was just a clever slogan for reforming the police?
the idea that "well, we can't pass minor policing reforms, i guess we'll just abolish the police instead" is an amusing response.
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 04:55:44 PM
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit
i thought defund the police was just a clever slogan for reforming the police?
the idea that "well, we can't pass minor policing reforms, i guess we'll just abolish the police instead" is an amusing response.
well major budget cuts is happening locally
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit
i thought defund the police was just a clever slogan for reforming the police?
the idea that "well, we can't pass minor policing reforms, i guess we'll just abolish the police instead" is an amusing response.
major budget cuts locally are way more feasible than seemingly common sense reforms in one of the most liberal states in the country. but have fun with this!
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 05:01:59 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
Meanwhile being directly engaged in the process; states begin trying to spend CARES Act money in some of the stupidest ways possible in order to make it appear to the constituency that their benevolent state leaders love them and wish them well.
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 05:54:43 PM
yeah, unless republicans in the senate have a change of heart, local govts will soon be forced to enact major cuts to all sorts of services. paradise here we come.I gotta say I didn't expect widespread anti-cop movements to convert sys to the pro-cop side but these are crazy times
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 06:46:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 06:56:34 PM
"defund the police" is so stupid.
Sorry, this statement is a slight bit pro cop. You're like two and a half steps from "Blue Lives Matter".
Post by: wetwillie on August 28, 2020, 06:59:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 07:03:02 PM
"ACAB" is very profane and mean and it won't be said in this household
"Defund the police" is so stupid
"End qualified immunity"
Most cops are good
Blue Lives Matter
Post by: kim carnes on August 28, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
Rusty is firing on all cylinders goodness
When is he not ?
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 07:11:07 PM
"defund the police" is so stupid.
Sorry, this statement is a slight bit pro cop.
no it isn't.
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 07:13:50 PM
I believe these are the steps
"ACAB" is very profane and mean and it won't be said in this household
"Defund the police" is so stupid
"End qualified immunity"
Most cops are good
Blue Lives Matter
you're now arguing that "end qualified immunity" is a pro-police statement?
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 07:21:37 PM
I believe these are the steps
"ACAB" is very profane and mean and it won't be said in this household
"Defund the police" is so stupid
"End qualified immunity"
Most cops are good
Blue Lives Matter
you're now arguing that "end qualified immunity" is a pro-police statement?
It's certainly more pro-cop than "defund the police" on the spectrum of pro cop statements
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 07:24:28 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 28, 2020, 07:29:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
defund the police is a nonsensical statement. as soon as the slogan came to be, everyone associated with it tripped over themselves trying to explain that defund the police doesn't mean defunding the police. and the example everyone give of a community that "defunded the police" has more police and a large policing budget now than before.
sys, you criticize that slogan more than you criticize the police
:users:
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 09:05:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 09:16:45 PM
people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years. i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.
you're like those lib hippies who were recently converted to full-on qanons through the gateway drug of anti-vaccing, it's just that your path to bootlicking was triggered by a hastily-written semantically imperfect slogan. a slow, slippery slope.
in all seriousness, it is kind of funny how the pro-cop/anti-black crowd is very rigid to the direct literal meaning of "Defund the Police" but boy, when it comes to "Black Lives Matter" we need to go deep into the political beliefs of every person who's ever marched to find out what they REALLY mean. (and of course people who are for defunding the police and black lives mattering are the opposite.)
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2020, 09:17:43 PM
defund the police is a nonsensical statement. as soon as the slogan came to be, everyone associated with it tripped over themselves trying to explain that defund the police doesn't mean defunding the police. and the example everyone give of a community that "defunded the police" has more police and a large policing budget now than before.
agree, horrendous marketing.
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2020, 09:18:54 PM
people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years. i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.
yeah, I will vouch for ksufans sys making me wtf with his takes on this. and here we are now.
Post by: sys on August 28, 2020, 09:32:46 PM
in all seriousness, it is kind of funny how the pro-cop/anti-black crowd is very rigid to the direct literal meaning of "Defund the Police" but boy, when it comes to "Black Lives Matter" we need to go deep into the political beliefs of every person who's ever marched to find out what they REALLY mean. (and of course people who are for defunding the police and black lives mattering are the opposite.)
in terms of slogan quality, black lives matter is the exact opposite of defund the police. even if you are against black lives matter, the organization, you can't disagree with the black lives matter, the slogan. it's a branding masterpiece.
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2020, 09:40:33 PM
https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/defunding-the-police-will-actually-make-us-safer/
not sure what a better slogan would be but I'm open to ideas
in all seriousness, it is kind of funny how the pro-cop/anti-black crowd is very rigid to the direct literal meaning of "Defund the Police" but boy, when it comes to "Black Lives Matter" we need to go deep into the political beliefs of every person who's ever marched to find out what they REALLY mean. (and of course people who are for defunding the police and black lives mattering are the opposite.)
in terms of slogan quality, black lives matter is the exact opposite of defund the police. even if you are against black lives matter, the organization, you can't disagree with the black lives matter, the slogan. it's a branding masterpiece.
yes
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2020, 09:45:13 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 28, 2020, 11:15:58 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on August 28, 2020, 11:20:24 PM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.
I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be.
That's an incredibly silly way to look at those stats and to minimize the the issue of excessive force.
Post by: catastrophe on August 28, 2020, 11:33:50 PM
defund the police is a great slogan for the people who don't understand/won't understand/don't want to understand/actively seek to use it against the people who want to do what it means. it's an F- as a slogan for people that want to "defund the police".Agreed. And bonus points if people pumping “defund the police” criticize ending qualified immunity as a pro-police half measure.
Post by: michigancat on August 29, 2020, 12:43:56 AM
https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/1299563147934666753
Post by: chum1 on August 29, 2020, 07:47:33 AM
https://twitter.com/PaulSzoldra/status/1298679211557756930
Post by: DQ12 on August 29, 2020, 09:21:07 AM
yeah Sys has been anti-police for about as long as I can remember. lol at these rusty come lately's questioning his bonafides.people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years. i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.
yeah, I will vouch for ksufans sys making me wtf with his takes on this. and here we are now.
Post by: michigancat on August 29, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
yeah Sys has been anti-police for about as long as I can remember. lol at these rusty come lately's questioning his bonafides.people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years. i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.
yeah, I will vouch for ksufans sys making me wtf with his takes on this. and here we are now.
sys was absolutely the biggest hater of cops at one point but his affection for Biden and addiction to contrarianism is ever-so-slightly easing him into "there were a lot of good things in the 94 crime bill" territory. hate to see it!
Post by: fun muffin on August 29, 2020, 11:12:44 AM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.
I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be.
That's an incredibly silly way to look at those stats and to minimize the the issue of excessive force.
There's plenty of issues with excessive force towards all races, but my point is the police aren't racist and it appears the stats back it up.
But I'm all ears on why it's silly. Please explain I'm open-minded.
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
Post by: Trim on August 29, 2020, 11:30:01 AM
It’s time to let black people run police departments.
Heh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/seattle-police-chief-budget-cut.html
Post by: nicname on August 29, 2020, 12:26:08 PM
https://reason.com/2020/08/28/rand-paul-breonna-taylor-rnc-protesters-say-her-name/
Post by: chum1 on August 29, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 29, 2020, 12:45:22 PM
Post by: nicname on August 29, 2020, 12:55:59 PM
Where does respecting officers that joined to truly protect and serve and appreciating the difficulty of their job and seeing they get caught up in a horrible system of unions and bad cops and wanting the whole thing tore down fall on the scale? I feel like that's where I am.
I think most reasonable people are pretty aligned with this. It’s why fixing the problem takes measures on multiple fronts. Problem is people align themselves with whatever side of the issue and point fingers and delegitimize their opposition.
Do we need to better hold offending LEO accountable? Yes.
Do we need LEO to constantly work against the threat of their own bias? Yes
Do we need to affectively reduce the level of violent crime and the situations that lead to it and subsequent adversarial encounters with LEO? Yes.
If I’m a good-hearted kitten handler and deal with all sorts of kittens, but calicos bite and scratch me more often than non-calicos I’m naturally going to develop some bias against calicos, and deal with even innocent calicos in a different manner than I do with non-calicos. This is bad for everyone; kitten handlers, non-violent calicos, and violent calicos . It’s neutral for non-violent non-calicos, but also dangerous for kitten handlers dealing with violent non-calicos.
Edit: And if I’m a kitten handler that already doesn’t like calicos going in, then it’s double bad.
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2020, 01:12:59 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonsharpe/status/1299427348211625984?s=21
Post by: michigancat on August 29, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
Can’t even imagine the kind of crap cops have been getting away with pre body cam and social media
https://twitter.com/shannonsharpe/status/1299427348211625984?s=21
honestly it seems like cops give so few fucks when on camera it makes me wonder if their behavior has changed all that much.
side note I went back and watched the Rodney King beating and it's wild how tame it seems today, I mean during the first wave of George Floyd protests there were like 10 videos like this a day from NYC alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1WywIpUtY&t=365s
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
100% BidenBot Nation right there.
SMDH
Post by: sys on August 29, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
Sys's softening view of police is a textbook example of how people tend to get more conservative as they age.
i've become more liberal over the relevant time-span.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2020, 10:42:31 PM
ProgFascist Manifesto
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Post by: cfbandyman on August 30, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
Middle class and upper middle class white dudes armed with the latest smartphones calling a black DC Cop a traitor and a Jim Crow.
100% BidenBot Nation right there.
SMDH
NWA been saying that since '88, SMDH
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/MalyndaHale/status/1299487701423386624
https://twitter.com/MalyndaHale/status/1299518214674681856
Post by: Cire on August 30, 2020, 01:27:15 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on August 30, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 30, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.
I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be.
That's an incredibly silly way to look at those stats and to minimize the the issue of excessive force.
There's plenty of issues with excessive force towards all races, but my point is the police aren't racist and it appears the stats back it up.
But I'm all ears on why it's silly. Please explain I'm open-minded.
I refuse to argue the affirmative or negative argument of "police are racist." It's such a ridiculous, simple construct. Issues of race and authority/power can't be simplified to this group of 700,000 people are or aren't racist as a collective. You might be that stupid, but I'm not.
Post by: nicname on August 30, 2020, 11:35:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2020, 01:12:57 AM
I’d argue that relatively few police are racist. A much higher percentage approach encounters with bias, which is only natural. Reducing bias, much learned on the job, should be a huge priority.
There are very few racist cops because very few people identify as racist. That sheriff in Arkansas who was fired yesterday, for yelling at his girlfriend for having the audacity to talk to a "n-word" working at the Piggly Wiggly. He screamed at this woman for at least minutes five minutes and used the word n-word at least 7 times. This sheriff said he's not racist.
Figuring out who's racist and who isn't is an unnecessary fool's errand. Policing in this country seems to be irreparably broken, no matter who's racist or not. Of course there are other factors at play that make black men much more susceptible to having contact with the police and victims of excessive force.
Coming back to the unvetted stat from Leonydus, that fun muffin is desperately trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Two key things that the stat doesn't mention that black men are far less likely to carry a gun than white men and white men are much more likely to commit domestic violence, which cops say are the most violent, unpredictable calls. Trying to draw conclusions from those numbers is simply cherry picking info to reach a predetermined thought.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 07:11:47 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 07:19:29 AM
Very surprised by this, was told this was primarily an indigenous movement.
Post by: steve dave on August 31, 2020, 08:30:17 AM
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Post by: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 08:34:51 AM
Define “out of town”
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foxnews will define that for you. I for one am shocked that protestors in a 100k population town between two major metros aren't only from Kenosha, WI
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 08:39:28 AM
Just a terrible job all around by the Dem Gub and Mayor.
Terrible, but expected.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 08:41:56 AM
44 other places not named Kenosha, WI
Just a terrible job all around by the Dem Gub and Mayor.
Terrible, but expected.
Protests to reopen the Applebees or keep up a confederate statue = good and fine keep going It's their right to protest! Protests due to cops killing black people? Out of line, these leaders need to do something to stop it! Failure of the city manager or whoever happens to have a D in their name doggone it!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 08:46:18 AM
44 other places not named Kenosha, WI
Just a terrible job all around by the Dem Gub and Mayor.
Terrible, but expected.
Protests to reopen the Applebees or keep up a confederate statue = good and fine keep going It's their right to protest! Protests due to cops killing black people? Out of line, these leaders need to do something to stop it! Failure of the city manager or whoever happens to have a D in their name doggone it!
Total failure on the part of the Dem Governor (again) to properly protect a city in his state. Arson and looting is not protesting, Phil.
Post by: steve dave on August 31, 2020, 09:04:43 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 09:10:48 AM
Post by: fun muffin on August 31, 2020, 09:49:07 AM
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes
Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.
I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be.
That's an incredibly silly way to look at those stats and to minimize the the issue of excessive force.
There's plenty of issues with excessive force towards all races, but my point is the police aren't racist and it appears the stats back it up.
But I'm all ears on why it's silly. Please explain I'm open-minded.
I refuse to argue the affirmative or negative argument of "police are racist." It's such a ridiculous, simple construct. Issues of race and authority/power can't be simplified to this group of 700,000 people are or aren't racist as a collective. You might be that stupid, but I'm not.
Well let me clarify. Of course there are racist cops, there are racists in every occupation. But the data shows there is no systematic racism.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2020, 10:03:36 AM
https://gothamist.com/news/nj-mayor-who-sent-2500-police-overtime-bill-blm-organizer-has-used-panic-button-repeatedly-summon-police
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2019/03/16/englewood-cliffs-nj-mayor-mario-kranjac-and-his-bully-pulpit/3163169002/
https://thepressgroup.net/englewood-cliffs-fires-affordable-housing-counsel-mayor-claims-system-rigged/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:05:19 AM
But thanks Luke
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2020, 10:06:49 AM
You organize an event that's gets city government support and protection, you pay for it, just like everybody else.
But thanks Luke
Well, he rescinded the bill, idiot
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:07:37 AM
You organize an event that's gets city government support and protection, you pay for it, just like everybody else.
But thanks Luke
Well, he rescinded the bill, idiot
That's a shame. What an idiot.
Post by: ChiComCat on August 31, 2020, 10:53:27 AM
You organize an event that's gets city government support and protection, you pay for it, just like everybody else.
But thanks Luke
Not everybody
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/donald-trump-police-cities-bills-maga-rallies/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
You organize an event that's gets city government support and protection, you pay for it, just like everybody else.
But thanks Luke
Not everybody
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/donald-trump-police-cities-bills-maga-rallies/
I don't recall putting a Trump exemption into my post.
BTW, Charlotte (one example) thankfully had the remaining balance ($6 million) of a $10m dollar LOC it got from Duke Energy forgiven after the DNC didn't pay all of its bills in 2012 for their convention in that city. By 2017 the DNC had over $8 million dollars in 120 days plus in bills owed to vendors.
Post by: steve dave on August 31, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 09:00:10 PM
Post by: sys on August 31, 2020, 10:30:27 PM
and part of that is that the police have gotten smarter. withdrawal of service is much more effective at moving public opinion to their side than beating the crap out of protestors was.
https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1300398349548498945
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2020, 10:31:17 PM
https://twitter.com/robferdman/status/1300474368120819713
I'll save my 235,748th rant about dirty DAs in bed with dirty cops.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 10:57:06 PM
But that's a topical rock brained dipshit Biden Voter in action.
Topping it off with chants of "Say her Name".
Good Grief
Post by: nicname on September 01, 2020, 05:33:19 AM
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html
Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June
Post by: steve dave on September 01, 2020, 07:39:34 AM
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1300620487207399424
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2020, 07:47:20 AM
Gun-toting Portland rioter shoots Trump supporter outside pro-Trump rallyWho could have possibly seen this coming in BidenVoter controlled Portland?
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html
Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June
Sadly two completely incompetent Dems hold seats of power there, but are beloved by BidenVoter.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 01, 2020, 08:09:09 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2020, 08:54:07 AM
Gun-toting Portland rioter shoots Trump supporter outside pro-Trump rally
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html
Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June
how do you know the "trump supporter" wasn't a "rioter"?
(shooting people is wrong btw)
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2020, 09:13:48 AM
it was probably pretty close to inevitable - the movement has no recognized leadership, no one empowered to organize or strategize, no means of enforcing or encouraging uniformity of method or message. but even recognizing the challenges, they've really mumped up.
and part of that is that the police have gotten smarter. withdrawal of service is much more effective at moving public opinion to their side than beating the crap out of protestors was.
https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1300398349548498945
definitely a missed opportunity. I don't know what the right org is that can do the good things "defund the police" aims to do though. Kinda disjointed
Post by: Phil Titola on September 01, 2020, 09:37:00 AM
it was probably pretty close to inevitable - the movement has no recognized leadership, no one empowered to organize or strategize, no means of enforcing or encouraging uniformity of method or message. but even recognizing the challenges, they've really mumped up.
and part of that is that the police have gotten smarter. withdrawal of service is much more effective at moving public opinion to their side than beating the crap out of protestors was.
https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1300398349548498945
definitely a missed opportunity. I don't know what the right org is that can do the good things "defund the police" aims to do though. Kinda disjointed
Depends on the faction. I'd think mental health organizations could take up the call for more health professionals to assist PD and get officers more deescalation training. Getting racism/bias out of the force feels like NAACP/ACLU.
For anything to be successful it needs support from "both sides" though. Getting PD unions to understand this benefits their longterm cause and organization could help.
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2020, 09:41:52 AM
For anything to be successful it needs support from "both sides" though. Getting PD unions to understand this benefits their longterm cause and organization could help.
If that's true anything that will make a difference is DOA
Post by: Phil Titola on September 01, 2020, 10:17:34 AM
For anything to be successful it needs support from "both sides" though. Getting PD unions to understand this benefits their longterm cause and organization could help.
If that's true anything that will make a difference is DOA
I guess the initial push doesn't need support all around. Guess I'm thinking getting their buy in once it's closer to a real plan and needs buyin for adoption.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 01, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
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While discussing the shooting of Jacob Blake with Fox News ahead of his visit to Kenosha, Wisconsin, President Donald Trump said some police officers who shoot unarmed suspects "choke," as if missing a 3-foot putt in golf, a comment that drew social media criticism and mockery.
Couple thoughts here. So law enforcement loves this guy? Equating shooting someone to choking a putt? People that have been harmed by police shootings, ope, sorry there, just choked a bit. Sorry you died.
What a buffoon and only thing worse is someone actually still supporting this lunatic to lead the country.
Post by: kim carnes on September 01, 2020, 02:35:54 PM
it was probably pretty close to inevitable - the movement has no recognized leadership, no one empowered to organize or strategize, no means of enforcing or encouraging uniformity of method or message. but even recognizing the challenges, they've really mumped up.
and part of that is that the police have gotten smarter. withdrawal of service is much more effective at moving public opinion to their side than beating the crap out of protestors was.
https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1300398349548498945
definitely a missed opportunity. I don't know what the right org is that can do the good things "defund the police" aims to do though. Kinda disjointed
Depends on the faction. I'd think mental health organizations could take up the call for more health professionals to assist PD and get officers more deescalation training. Getting racism/bias out of the force feels like NAACP/ACLU.
For anything to be successful it needs support from "both sides" though. Getting PD unions to understand this benefits their longterm cause and organization could help.
You’re a pretty ignorant person if you think police officers don’t know how to de escalate these situations, they’re willfully doing the opposite bc they know they can.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 01, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2020, 02:51:01 PM
For anything to be successful it needs support from "both sides" though. Getting PD unions to understand this benefits their longterm cause and organization could help.
If that's true anything that will make a difference is DOA
I guess the initial push doesn't need support all around. Guess I'm thinking getting their buy in once it's closer to a real plan and needs buyin for adoption.
in general, eff cops' buy in. They work for their constituents and should do what the constituents ask for. Especially when they want cops to do things like murder fewer constituents.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 01, 2020, 04:19:55 PM
For anything to be successful it needs support from "both sides" though. Getting PD unions to understand this benefits their longterm cause and organization could help.
If that's true anything that will make a difference is DOA
I guess the initial push doesn't need support all around. Guess I'm thinking getting their buy in once it's closer to a real plan and needs buyin for adoption.
in general, eff cops' buy in. They work for their constituents and should do what the constituents ask for. Especially when they want cops to do things like murder fewer constituents.
I agree they should. I also can see the reality of it.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2020, 11:33:00 PM
Ol Commander Red:
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https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/31/neenah-man-arrested-at-green-bay-protest-has-ties-to-antifa/
Allegedly did break down and start crying.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 01, 2020, 11:44:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2020, 11:55:14 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2020, 06:41:26 AM
The right's ability to be terrified by antifa while making fun of guys like this for being lame sissies is pretty fascinating and hilariousAn AntiFa dude blew somebody away in Portland and this guy was out on bail after being arrested for pointing a gun at a law enforcement officer.
LOL’ing @cRusty
Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2020, 08:07:50 AM
The right's ability to be terrified by antifa while making fun of guys like this for being lame sissies is pretty fascinating and hilariousIt’s nuts.
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Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2020, 08:45:01 AM
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Post by: Institutional Control on September 02, 2020, 09:14:55 AM
https://twitter.com/chuckcallesto/status/1300793741477851138?s=21
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Post by: Trim on September 02, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 02, 2020, 09:24:02 AM
https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1301002407250472966
I don't know what "a day earlier" means. Trump getting there? Quicker federal intervention?
Also, I'd imagine this has been posted here during my sabbatical but in case not, here's the Kenosha sheriff advocating for concentration camps:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/kenosha-sheriff-2018-black-shoplifters-should-be-warehoused-kept-having-children/662QXLGNLFBRVGWCOCPWMQHPD4/
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
BidenVoter and Antifa pasty white guy (allegedly not with mom) busted in WI.
Ol Commander Red:
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https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/31/neenah-man-arrested-at-green-bay-protest-has-ties-to-antifa/
Allegedly did break down and start crying.
look at that terrifying monster. Send in the guard
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1301002407250472966
rubes love it
Post by: DQ12 on September 02, 2020, 11:56:47 AM
the impending incel civil war makes me a little uneasy.BidenVoter and Antifa pasty white guy (allegedly not with mom) busted in WI.
Ol Commander Red:
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https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/31/neenah-man-arrested-at-green-bay-protest-has-ties-to-antifa/
Allegedly did break down and start crying.
look at that terrifying monster. Send in the guard
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2020, 12:04:02 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2020, 12:05:27 PM
Watch out mayor, Antifa and YLF not only brings their mommies along these days, but they're also packing heat.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
As I said, no verification yet if Commander Red had mommy fronting for him on any of these incidents.
Tell it again grandax
Post by: Phil Titola on September 02, 2020, 12:49:09 PM
As I said, no verification yet if Commander Red had mommy fronting for him on any of these incidents.Is this some weird angle of your pasty white guy teen was at least man enough to kill people?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2020, 12:51:14 PM
As I said, no verification yet if Commander Red had mommy fronting for him on any of these incidents.Is this some weird angle of your pasty white guy teen was at least man enough to kill people?
First off, love it when BidenBot.7 gets all :curse: :curse: about redundancy, that's :lol: :lol: coming from him.
There's no weird angle, Phil. Your heroes in Portland had their mom's out front a few weeks ago.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 02, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
So they aren't violent that need national police. Got it. We agree. FYI I don't have any GenZ hero's yet but some tiktok celebs are getting close.As I said, no verification yet if Commander Red had mommy fronting for him on any of these incidents.Is this some weird angle of your pasty white guy teen was at least man enough to kill people?
First off, love it when BidenBot.7 gets all :curse: :curse: about redundancy, that's
There's no weird angle, Phil. Your heroes in Portland had their mom's out front a few weeks ago.
Post by: kim carnes on September 02, 2020, 01:32:10 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
This latest police shooting in LA sounds as egregious as any and probably won’t get much publicity bc there’s no video.
the guy on the bike?
Post by: cfbandyman on September 02, 2020, 01:36:46 PM
This latest police shooting in LA sounds as egregious as any and probably won’t get much publicity bc there’s no video.
Even if there was, there will be an entire army of assholes trying to perform mental gymnastics to say he deserved it somehow.
Post by: kim carnes on September 02, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
This latest police shooting in LA sounds as egregious as any and probably won’t get much publicity bc there’s no video.
the guy on the bike?
Yes. Per the article I read, it says he dropped clothes which contained a handgun at which point they started shooting him. Doesn’t say anything about him trying to engage them with it.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2020, 02:34:02 PM
This latest police shooting in LA sounds as egregious as any and probably won’t get much publicity bc there’s no video.
the guy on the bike?
Yes. Per the article I read, it says he dropped clothes which contained a handgun at which point they started shooting him. Doesn’t say anything about him trying to engage them with it.
black guy with a gun is definitely a murder they'll get away with. I'm sure they'll come up with something, especially since they murdered the primary witness.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 02, 2020, 02:35:23 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2020, 04:53:10 PM
Post by: Cire on September 02, 2020, 08:18:41 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on September 02, 2020, 08:22:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 02, 2020, 10:00:17 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 02, 2020, 10:16:47 PM
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1301148296086315011I'm going to need more than this.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 02, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1301148296086315011I'm going to need more than this.
How many dudes have you seen wearing.3 inch heels?
Post by: bucket on September 02, 2020, 10:20:40 PM
Post by: mocat on September 02, 2020, 11:35:14 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 03, 2020, 07:00:27 AM
I am not convinced this is real.https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1301148296086315011I'm going to need more than this.
How many dudes have you seen wearing.3 inch heels?
Post by: DQ12 on September 03, 2020, 07:05:41 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 03, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
They aren’t violent, good one, Phil.So they aren't violent that need national police. Got it. We agree. FYI I don't have any GenZ hero's yet but some tiktok celebs are getting close.As I said, no verification yet if Commander Red had mommy fronting for him on any of these incidents.Is this some weird angle of your pasty white guy teen was at least man enough to kill people?
First off, love it when BidenBot.7 gets all :curse: :curse: about redundancy, that's
There's no weird angle, Phil. Your heroes in Portland had their mom's out front a few weeks ago.
Just hate to see lil white middle class and upper middle class dorks who didn’t get enough attention from dad. Running around killing and threatening people and burning down minority owned businesses.
It’s particularly disturbing knowing they’re enraged because Hillary Clinton lost an election.
SMDH
Post by: steve dave on September 03, 2020, 08:06:58 AM
I can’t tell whether you guys are being serious.
I think it's a mix but may be giving too much or not enough credit.
on this topic though, trump's man Putin does in fact wear giant heels because he's short.
Post by: steve dave on September 03, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 03, 2020, 08:17:39 AM
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1301148296086315011
the real one is actually pretty yuge though tbh
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg6mHh5UYAEo_yK?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: Phil Titola on September 03, 2020, 08:32:33 AM
Post by: catastrophe on September 03, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 03, 2020, 08:45:36 AM
Also, thanks to the Don Trump administration for rightfully threatening Federal funding to Dem controlled cities that don't use that Federal funding to help protect their cities. Of which the vast majority of the citizens of those cities do not support the rioting and looting and the vast majority of those citizens want the police on the streets protecting their neighborhoods.
There's a reason Bill DeBlasio has rightfully been called the UHaul sales person of the month. He's been an absolute boon to moving companies, re-location services and suburban real estate agencies. There was a story just yesterday that one listing in Orange County NJ had over 100 showings in 72 hours and 21 offers of which almost all were over 20% above the asking price. Violent crime in NYC is up over 50% year over year, and now Governor Grandma Killer, who is doing his best to duck Federal inquiries regarding his Grandma Killing. Is once again bloviating like some crime boss even after the Federal government has spent billions upon billions of dollars helping his state out.
Post by: steve dave on September 03, 2020, 08:49:21 AM
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Totally agree Dax
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 03, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 03, 2020, 11:24:38 AM
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 03, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
Rochester, NY.Well isn't this a new addition. The color of the police chief now is a leading indicator dax? Nice to see you come out of the closet and own it vs hiding behind political party stereotyping.
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 03, 2020, 11:37:33 AM
Rochester, NY.Well isn't this a new addition. The color of the police chief now is a leading indicator dax? Nice to see you come out of the closet and own it vs hiding behind political party stereotyping.
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
It figures you'd go that route without even broaching the reality of the situation.
You're just part of the wannabe white elite (you're not elite, Phil) who wants to portray yourself as a 'good white' and thinks you get to define racism.
SMDH, it's so beyond sad, but so very typical of you, Phil.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 03, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 03, 2020, 12:25:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2020, 12:26:30 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on September 03, 2020, 01:08:12 PM
Rochester, NY.
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Yeah dax why can't the people of Rochester just sit back and take being murdered by police like they do in other non Dem locations?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 04, 2020, 02:14:12 AM
Rochester, NY.Well isn't this a new addition. The color of the police chief now is a leading indicator dax? Nice to see you come out of the closet and own it vs hiding behind political party stereotyping.
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
He says racist crap on the reg, this one is no big deal for dakkk
Post by: LickNeckey on September 04, 2020, 07:05:18 AM
Rochester, NY.Well isn't this a new addition. The color of the police chief now is a leading indicator dax? Nice to see you come out of the closet and own it vs hiding behind political party stereotyping.
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
He says racist crap on the reg, this one is no big deal for dakkk
I was thinking Qax would be the perfect moniker.
Then MiR had to cloud my thinking with the daKKK.
Post by: cfbandyman on September 04, 2020, 07:37:58 AM
Rochester, NY.
Dem mayor, black police chief, Dem governor state.
It's so formulaic at this point it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Yeah dax why can't the people of Rochester just sit back and take being murdered by police like they do in other non Dem locations?
racists cops don't exist in the country, oh wait...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 07:38:58 AM
LOL BAU for the self proclaimed “good whites” and the board lunatic.
Everything requires clarity for the simple minded.
Yet another police department lead by a person of color that’s doing bad things. Which refutes the notion that simply injecting more minorities into law enforcement is going to fix these issues.
Shame on me for thinking the resident dipshits could put two recent talking points together.
That doesn’t change the fact that this is yet another failure at the state and local level by Dem politicians. It’s now a weekly thing.
This has nothing to do with the people of Rochester taking anything you rough ridin' dumbasses. I didn’t say a word about protesting. They should be protesting-peacefully.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 04, 2020, 08:41:45 AM
Calling a black man a black man is racist.
LOL BAU for the self proclaimed “good whites” and the board lunatic.
Everything requires clarity for the simple minded.
Yet another police department lead by a person of color that’s doing bad things. Which refutes the notion that simply injecting more minorities into law enforcement is going to fix these issues.
Shame on me for thinking the resident dipshits could put two recent talking points together.
This is a really really bad cover attempt. You tried to say democrats and a black man running the PD were the formula for the problems we are seeing in cities. that says zero about getting more POC into the police force. Take the L Dakkk
Post by: steve dave on September 04, 2020, 08:49:56 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 08:53:35 AM
You’re incorrect self proclaimed good white guy.Calling a black man a black man is racist.
LOL BAU for the self proclaimed “good whites” and the board lunatic.
Everything requires clarity for the simple minded.
Yet another police department lead by a person of color that’s doing bad things. Which refutes the notion that simply injecting more minorities into law enforcement is going to fix these issues.
Shame on me for thinking the resident dipshits could put two recent talking points together.
This is a really really bad cover attempt. You tried to say democrats and a black man running the PD were the formula for the problems we are seeing in cities. that says zero about getting more POC into the police force. Take the L Dakkk
Post by: cfbandyman on September 04, 2020, 08:54:10 AM
Calling a black man a black man is racist.
LOL BAU for the self proclaimed “good whites” and the board lunatic.
Everything requires clarity for the simple minded.
Yet another police department lead by a person of color that’s doing bad things. Which refutes the notion that simply injecting more minorities into law enforcement is going to fix these issues.
Shame on me for thinking the resident dipshits could put two recent talking points together.
This is a really really bad cover attempt. You tried to say democrats and a black man running the PD were the formula for the problems we are seeing in cities. that says zero about getting more POC into the police force. Take the L Dakkk
Just combine it to Qakkk
it's pretty close to quack, which he is
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 08:56:27 AM
A tsunami of tapouts from two self proclaimed good whites this morning.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 04, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
Calling a black police chief a black police chief equals KKK member.
A tsunami of tapouts from two self proclaimed good whites this morning.
Calling out the color of the police chief as a "formula" for problems sure is Dakkk. Don't have to be a "good white" to understand that, just not a shitty one.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 04, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 09:22:40 AM
Look SPGWG Phil, stop trying to use your fake rage to cover up the discussion of the absolutely crap job Dems are doing all across the country on the state and local level in both managing their police forces and protecting their citizens civil rights, property and ensuring their safety.Calling a black police chief a black police chief equals KKK member.
A tsunami of tapouts from two self proclaimed good whites this morning.
Calling out the color of the police chief as a "formula" for problems sure is Dakkk. Don't have to be a "good white" to understand that, just not a shitty one.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 09:28:13 AM
Grandakkk is calling you race traitorsTake it up with Musa al-Gharbi, AlexJonesBot.7
https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist/
Have to keep easily manipulated simpletons like like you up to speed on the latest cultural and societal studies.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 04, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
Look SPGWG Phil, stop trying to use your fake rage to cover up the discussion of the absolutely crap job Dems are doing all across the country on the state and local level in both managing their police forces and protecting their citizens civil rights, property and ensuring their safety.Calling a black police chief a black police chief equals KKK member.
A tsunami of tapouts from two self proclaimed good whites this morning.
Calling out the color of the police chief as a "formula" for problems sure is Dakkk. Don't have to be a "good white" to understand that, just not a shitty one.
You could have kept it to that insanely dumb talking point yet you decided to up the ante and include the color of the chief as part of the formula.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 09:34:26 AM
Only a hyper partisan dipshit like you fails to recognize the clear and discernible constant across a vast swath of locales in regards to these issues.Look SPGWG Phil, stop trying to use your fake rage to cover up the discussion of the absolutely crap job Dems are doing all across the country on the state and local level in both managing their police forces and protecting their citizens civil rights, property and ensuring their safety.Calling a black police chief a black police chief equals KKK member.
A tsunami of tapouts from two self proclaimed good whites this morning.
Calling out the color of the police chief as a "formula" for problems sure is Dakkk. Don't have to be a "good white" to understand that, just not a shitty one.
You could have kept it to that insanely dumb talking point yet you decided to up the ante and include the color of the chief as part of the formula.
Sad, but not surprising.
In regards to the rest, enough PhilFlection.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 04, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2020, 09:43:56 AM
Every city is a dem stronghold. The talking point is idiotic.Your constant attempts to provide absolution on that basis is both hilarious and sad.
Post by: michigancat on September 04, 2020, 09:56:12 AM
https://twitter.com/NoahHurowitz/status/1301873210988822528
gross
Post by: Phil Titola on September 04, 2020, 10:08:40 AM
https://twitter.com/NoahHurowitz/status/1301873210988822528
gross
Lot of "oh crap what did we just do, should we go help?" looks.
Post by: nicname on September 04, 2020, 10:54:09 PM
[youtube] https://youtu.be/UQjGBrURQJE[/youtube]
Not sure if goes better here or the avoid cops thread.
Planned protests/vigils as of release of article
https://dcist.com/story/20/09/04/protest-vigil-march-roundup-police-shooting-deon-kay-dc/
Another news story on protests
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5dc.com/news/protesters-gather-outside-dc-mayors-home-after-officer-shot-killed-18-year-old-deion-kay.amp
Sorry if luked
Post by: MakeItRain on September 04, 2020, 11:20:36 PM
Deon Kay shooting... warning graphic body cam footage.
[youtube] https://youtu.be/UQjGBrURQJE[/youtube]
Not sure if goes better here or the avoid cops thread.
Planned protests/vigils as of release of article
https://dcist.com/story/20/09/04/protest-vigil-march-roundup-police-shooting-deon-kay-dc/
Another news story on protests
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5dc.com/news/protesters-gather-outside-dc-mayors-home-after-officer-shot-killed-18-year-old-deion-kay.amp
Sorry if luked
I'm fine with this one. Don't run at someone holding a firearm if you don't want to get shot.
Post by: michigancat on September 04, 2020, 11:57:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 05, 2020, 01:14:35 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 05, 2020, 01:22:50 AM
https://twitter.com/KCCINews/status/1301983640159739911
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2020, 09:25:36 AM
Similar case here in Des Moines. There's video that's in the link on the tweet but long story short. Guy leads cops on a high speed chase, gets pitted when he pulls into a cul-de-sac, guy jumps out of the car with a handgun and runs into someone's back yard. The cops shoot him in the back. The handgun turns out to be a BB gun. You have to think this dude is going into someone's house with that gun. If it's my yard, I want the dude shot before he comes into my house.Agreed
https://twitter.com/KCCINews/status/1301983640159739911
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Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2020, 11:38:35 AM
And with every other right, there's responsibility that comes with it.Have you looked into why cops were there in the first place?
Quote
Officials said police saw four people in a car live-streaming on Instagram with guns. Police responded within 45 minutes.
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1301396684631683073
Sorry, that doesn't warrant sending multiple cops to track the kids down. It's total bullshit
Also he was being chased and could have honestly been trying to toss the gun when the cop surprised him and shot him six seconds after he got out of the car. He didn't deserved to be executed and these are shitty tactics by cops.
Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
Similar case here in Des Moines. There's video that's in the link on the tweet but long story short. Guy leads cops on a high speed chase, gets pitted when he pulls into a cul-de-sac, guy jumps out of the car with a handgun and runs into someone's back yard. The cops shoot him in the back. The handgun turns out to be a BB gun. You have to think this dude is going into someone's house with that gun. If it's my yard, I want the dude shot before he comes into my house.Agreed
https://twitter.com/KCCINews/status/1301983640159739911
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That guy wasn't going in anyone's house or threatening anyone's life. Running from a cop while holding a gun shouldn't be an executable offense.
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2020, 12:08:07 PM
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Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Each situation is unique but in general if you are in a populated area, brandishing a gun, and evading an officer I believe lethal force is justified.See I think the fact that they're evading makes them pretty unlikely to hurt someone because it would slow them down. But I get where you're coming from.
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Also cops needlessly escalate a bunch of situations. Maybe not the Iowa one but definitely the DC one. (Although they maybe could have done something different when they stopped). Anyway, their tactics just need to be completely rethought.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 05, 2020, 01:31:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2020, 01:49:48 PM
The only reason anyone should ever have a gun in their hand is that they plan on firing it. Outside of a situation where a cop orders you to pick up a gun, I am always going to view that sort of shooting as justified.
that standard is kinda ridiculous in a country where firearm ownership is a protected right but it obviously only applies to certain people
https://twitter.com/GettyImagesNews/status/1223344677568634880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnNV9y7Atk4&feature=emb_title&bpctr=1599333563
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 05, 2020, 04:20:46 PM
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Post by: sys on September 05, 2020, 05:39:09 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1302371638395244546
Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2020, 06:30:09 PM
it's important to remember that this is a solvable problem.
https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1302371638395244546
Good thread in the comments
https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1275587235744628736
Post by: sys on September 05, 2020, 07:09:23 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 05, 2020, 07:32:40 PM
stone is one of the more interesting and eclectic commenters on twitter (although i tend to find his graphs almost completely unreadable).Yeah his excess covid death graphs are a lot
Post by: steve dave on September 05, 2020, 08:04:37 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 06, 2020, 01:38:33 AM
Similar case here in Des Moines. There's video that's in the link on the tweet but long story short. Guy leads cops on a high speed chase, gets pitted when he pulls into a cul-de-sac, guy jumps out of the car with a handgun and runs into someone's back yard. The cops shoot him in the back. The handgun turns out to be a BB gun. You have to think this dude is going into someone's house with that gun. If it's my yard, I want the dude shot before he comes into my house.Agreed
https://twitter.com/KCCINews/status/1301983640159739911
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That guy wasn't going in anyone's house or threatening anyone's life. Running from a cop while holding a gun shouldn't be an executable offense.
So they should have given him the chance? None of us, including that dude running with the BB gun, had no idea what he was going to do. I think your view of use of force actually has the potential to make things worse by muddying the waters. Police absolutely should not have do think whether someone fleeing with a gun, especially a suspect who has already shown you he will do whatever it takes to get away from you. I don't think we need to lower the standard for proper use of deadly force because of bad cops. If someone is fleeing with a gun they need to be stopped.
In these two cases, one guy running toward the cops with a gun, the other running into someone else's back yard, these seem like very clear or be killed situations. I refuse to see these in the same light as suffocating someone with your knee for 8 and a half minutes, or shooting an unarmed man in the back, or choking a 140'pound kid to death, or shooting a 12 year old in a park before the police car was even stopped. I don't want to strip police of the right to actually protect themselves or the people they've sworn to protect.
Post by: michigancat on September 06, 2020, 09:58:55 AM
So they should have given him the chance? None of us, including that dude running with the BB gun, had no idea what he was going to do. I think your view of use of force actually has the potential to make things worse by muddying the waters. Police absolutely should not have do think whether someone fleeing with a gun, especially a suspect who has already shown you he will do whatever it takes to get away from you. I don't think we need to lower the standard for proper use of deadly force because of bad cops. If someone is fleeing with a gun they need to be stopped.
I don't think you lower standards for use of force, you tear up the manual and create and entirely new approach from scratch. I take less issue with the individual cops' actions in the heat of the moment than I do with the system... Why do we send cops to respond to kids making silly videos holding guns? What is the net public benefit of a high-speed chase? Could only arming very few cops make interactions with them less intense from the start?
In these two cases, one guy running toward the cops with a gun, the other running into someone else's back yard, these seem like very clear or be killed situations. I refuse to see these in the same light as suffocating someone with your knee for 8 and a half minutes, or shooting an unarmed man in the back, or choking a 140'pound kid to death, or shooting a 12 year old in a park before the police car was even stopped. I don't want to strip police of the right to actually protect themselves or the people they've sworn to protect.
They're actually pretty similar to Tamir Rice in that one had a bb gun and the other was shot 6 seconds after the cop got out of the car when he surprised him around a corner. I agree they're different from cases like Floyd, but that doesn't mean we should accept them and not try to think about what could have been done differently.
Post by: michigancat on September 06, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
https://twitter.com/SFGate/status/1302622219919474691
Post by: MakeItRain on September 07, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
So they should have given him the chance? None of us, including that dude running with the BB gun, had no idea what he was going to do. I think your view of use of force actually has the potential to make things worse by muddying the waters. Police absolutely should not have do think whether someone fleeing with a gun, especially a suspect who has already shown you he will do whatever it takes to get away from you. I don't think we need to lower the standard for proper use of deadly force because of bad cops. If someone is fleeing with a gun they need to be stopped.
I don't think you lower standards for use of force, you tear up the manual and create and entirely new approach from scratch. I take less issue with the individual cops' actions in the heat of the moment than I do with the system... Why do we send cops to respond to kids making silly videos holding guns? What is the net public benefit of a high-speed chase? Could only arming very few cops make interactions with them less intense from the start?In these two cases, one guy running toward the cops with a gun, the other running into someone else's back yard, these seem like very clear or be killed situations. I refuse to see these in the same light as suffocating someone with your knee for 8 and a half minutes, or shooting an unarmed man in the back, or choking a 140'pound kid to death, or shooting a 12 year old in a park before the police car was even stopped. I don't want to strip police of the right to actually protect themselves or the people they've sworn to protect.
They're actually pretty similar to Tamir Rice in that one had a bb gun and the other was shot 6 seconds after the cop got out of the car when he surprised him around a corner. I agree they're different from cases like Floyd, but that doesn't mean we should accept them and not try to think about what could have been done differently.
They are nothing similar to Tamir Rice and conflating them is the exact bullshit that is troubling. We are not going to water down the murder of a 12 year old black boy by comparing his death to grown men in the process of committing crimes, under the guise of all cops are bad and all shootings are unnecessary. There was no 6 seconds with Tamir Rice, he was instantly assassinated when there was information available that this was a child with a gun. In case you forgot how heinous this was I want you to watch it again so you don't make the foolish mistake of comparing what happened to this boy with some criminal getting shot.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/7Z8qNUWekWE[/youtube]
Post by: michigancat on September 07, 2020, 08:52:13 PM
So they should have given him the chance? None of us, including that dude running with the BB gun, had no idea what he was going to do. I think your view of use of force actually has the potential to make things worse by muddying the waters. Police absolutely should not have do think whether someone fleeing with a gun, especially a suspect who has already shown you he will do whatever it takes to get away from you. I don't think we need to lower the standard for proper use of deadly force because of bad cops. If someone is fleeing with a gun they need to be stopped.
I don't think you lower standards for use of force, you tear up the manual and create and entirely new approach from scratch. I take less issue with the individual cops' actions in the heat of the moment than I do with the system... Why do we send cops to respond to kids making silly videos holding guns? What is the net public benefit of a high-speed chase? Could only arming very few cops make interactions with them less intense from the start?In these two cases, one guy running toward the cops with a gun, the other running into someone else's back yard, these seem like very clear or be killed situations. I refuse to see these in the same light as suffocating someone with your knee for 8 and a half minutes, or shooting an unarmed man in the back, or choking a 140'pound kid to death, or shooting a 12 year old in a park before the police car was even stopped. I don't want to strip police of the right to actually protect themselves or the people they've sworn to protect.
They're actually pretty similar to Tamir Rice in that one had a bb gun and the other was shot 6 seconds after the cop got out of the car when he surprised him around a corner. I agree they're different from cases like Floyd, but that doesn't mean we should accept them and not try to think about what could have been done differently.
They are nothing similar to Tamir Rice and conflating them is the exact bullshit that is troubling. We are not going to water down the murder of a 12 year old black boy by comparing his death to grown men in the process of committing crimes, under the guise of all cops are bad and all shootings are unnecessary. There was no 6 seconds with Tamir Rice, he was instantly assassinated when there was information available that this was a child with a gun. In case you forgot how heinous this was I want you to watch it again so you don't make the foolish mistake of comparing what happened to this boy with some criminal getting shot.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/7Z8qNUWekWE[/youtube]
It's similar in the fact that the cops thought he was reaching for a gun so it was deemed justifiable. Clearly Rice's death was "worse" than the others, but that doesn't mean the others don't reveal very similar problems with policing.
I'm not making the argument that "all cops are bad". These cops were all doing what they're trained to do, but the way they're trained and utilized is mumped up.
Post by: chum1 on September 08, 2020, 11:29:24 AM
https://twitter.com/EliseSchmelzer/status/1303354576750346241
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
Seems like a good idea.
https://twitter.com/EliseSchmelzer/status/1303354576750346241
seems great! Kinda surprising it wouldn't eliminate the number of police needed but still a big win.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 08, 2020, 11:43:22 AM
Seems like a good idea.
https://twitter.com/EliseSchmelzer/status/1303354576750346241
Yeah it seems 911 calls should immediately be triaged as fire, PD, or mental health situation and assigned to three different responses.
Post by: catastrophe on September 08, 2020, 12:24:12 PM
Similar case here in Des Moines. There's video that's in the link on the tweet but long story short. Guy leads cops on a high speed chase, gets pitted when he pulls into a cul-de-sac, guy jumps out of the car with a handgun and runs into someone's back yard. The cops shoot him in the back. The handgun turns out to be a BB gun. You have to think this dude is going into someone's house with that gun. If it's my yard, I want the dude shot before he comes into my house.Big problem on that one is the obvious risks of opening fire in a poorly lit residential neighborhood.
https://twitter.com/KCCINews/status/1301983640159739911
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 08, 2020, 12:29:56 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 08, 2020, 01:36:41 PM
Seems like a good idea.
https://twitter.com/EliseSchmelzer/status/1303354576750346241
Yeah it seems 911 calls should immediately be triaged as fire, PD, or mental health situation and assigned to three different responses.
I like this idea. I'd be interested to see how those 350 calls break down but nice to see it working.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 08, 2020, 11:25:26 PM
Similar case here in Des Moines. There's video that's in the link on the tweet but long story short. Guy leads cops on a high speed chase, gets pitted when he pulls into a cul-de-sac, guy jumps out of the car with a handgun and runs into someone's back yard. The cops shoot him in the back. The handgun turns out to be a BB gun. You have to think this dude is going into someone's house with that gun. If it's my yard, I want the dude shot before he comes into my house.Big problem on that one is the obvious risks of opening fire in a poorly lit residential neighborhood.
https://twitter.com/KCCINews/status/1301983640159739911
Sure. Is the alternative just to let this dude run away, armed?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2020, 08:12:16 AM
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2020, 12:00:34 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 12:01:37 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Yeah
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Don't even pretend you've turned over a new leaf BoardLunatic. Everyone recognizes it's a tragedy and that strident steps need to be taken to correct this type of police action. What also needs to be recognized is that people will likely not be out on the streets burning and looting in Glendale UT.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 09, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Yeah
Maybe better training for 911 operators? How can they not have some kind of better protocol when dealing with mental health issues?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Yeah
Maybe better training for 911 operators? How can they not have some kind of better protocol when dealing with mental health issues?
Are they the ones who decides who gets dispatched? I have no idea how this works. I always thought the dispatcher takes info from the caller and just blasts it out to all first responders with a radio.
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2020, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 02:12:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Don't even pretend you've turned over a new leaf BoardLunatic. Everyone recognizes it's a tragedy and that strident steps need to be taken to correct this type of police action. What also needs to be recognized is that people will likely not be out on the streets burning and looting in Glendale UT.
I'm not certain what point you're trying to make here but there are literally hundreds of police involved shootings annually and 99.99% of these don't involve anyone being "out on the streets burning and looting." Also interesting that you changed your language from protesting to "burning and looting." Hats off to you for dropping the poor ol innocent "who me" act and leaning hard into dakkk
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 02:14:52 PM
I don't think 911 operators are the problem here
Withheld relevant info in the Tamir Rice shooting. Would telling the cops that it was a young boy likely playing with a gun had helped :dunno: wouldn't have hurt
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2020, 02:20:51 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Don't even pretend you've turned over a new leaf BoardLunatic. Everyone recognizes it's a tragedy and that strident steps need to be taken to correct this type of police action. What also needs to be recognized is that people will likely not be out on the streets burning and looting in Glendale UT.
I'm not certain what point you're trying to make here but there are literally hundreds of police involved shootings annually and 99.99% of these don't involve anyone being "out on the streets burning and looting." Also interesting that you changed your language from protesting to "burning and looting." Hats off to you for dropping the poor ol innocent "who me" act and leaning hard into dakkk
So now it's the holistic approach to police shootings across all segments of racial demographics? I'm not going to dumpster dive but I believe that historically whenever that's been brought up here, you've pulled out the disproportional card.
Not wanting to see communities, businesses and peoples lives destroyed by looting and riots = KKK (BoardLunatic aka MIR)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 02:26:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Don't even pretend you've turned over a new leaf BoardLunatic. Everyone recognizes it's a tragedy and that strident steps need to be taken to correct this type of police action. What also needs to be recognized is that people will likely not be out on the streets burning and looting in Glendale UT.
I'm not certain what point you're trying to make here but there are literally hundreds of police involved shootings annually and 99.99% of these don't involve anyone being "out on the streets burning and looting." Also interesting that you changed your language from protesting to "burning and looting." Hats off to you for dropping the poor ol innocent "who me" act and leaning hard into dakkk
So now it's the holistic approach to police shootings across all segments of racial demographics? I'm not going to dumpster dive but I believe that historically whenever that's been brought up here, you've pulled out the disproportional card.
Not wanting to see communities, businesses and peoples lives destroyed by looting and riots = KKK (BoardLunatic aka MIR)
Because the character you play on here is incapable of speaking like a human, I don't even know what the eff you're asking? Are you arguing against disproportionality?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Don't even pretend you've turned over a new leaf BoardLunatic. Everyone recognizes it's a tragedy and that strident steps need to be taken to correct this type of police action. What also needs to be recognized is that people will likely not be out on the streets burning and looting in Glendale UT.
I'm not certain what point you're trying to make here but there are literally hundreds of police involved shootings annually and 99.99% of these don't involve anyone being "out on the streets burning and looting." Also interesting that you changed your language from protesting to "burning and looting." Hats off to you for dropping the poor ol innocent "who me" act and leaning hard into dakkk
So now it's the holistic approach to police shootings across all segments of racial demographics? I'm not going to dumpster dive but I believe that historically whenever that's been brought up here, you've pulled out the disproportional card.
Not wanting to see communities, businesses and peoples lives destroyed by looting and riots = KKK (BoardLunatic aka MIR)
Because the character you play on here is incapable of speaking like a human, I don't even know what the eff you're asking? Are you arguing against disproportionality?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
LOL, so you don't understand "across all segments of racial demographics"?
Now breakdown the population size by race and age group, particularly taking into account the known quantity that the vast majority of police shooting involve "young males". The average age of white people in the U.S. is 59, minorities, 22 years younger.
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
I don't think 911 operators are the problem here
Withheld relevant info in the Tamir Rice shooting. Would telling the cops that it was a young boy likely playing with a gun had helped :dunno: wouldn't have hurt
oh yeah there's room for improvement but again, they aren't the ones pulling the trigger. hell even the cops that shot the aspbergers kid might end up being found justified given our current system. Just doing their job, feared for their life, blasted a 13 year old.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 09, 2020, 03:08:43 PM
I don't think 911 operators are the problem here
Withheld relevant info in the Tamir Rice shooting. Would telling the cops that it was a young boy likely playing with a gun had helped :dunno: wouldn't have hurt
oh yeah there's room for improvement but again, they aren't the ones pulling the trigger. hell even the cops that shot the aspbergers kid might end up being found justified given our current system. Just doing their job, feared for their life, blasted a 13 year old.
Certainly a cop being called out to a call that needs more of a mental health professional isn't absent of fault if he kills the person but definitely could do a better job on the intake trying to figure out the situation, giving whomever is responding valuable info so they know what they are getting into can't hurt.
Listen to PD dispatch one evening, they get barely any info. They go into a call knowing "suspicious person"
Post by: Trim on September 09, 2020, 03:33:54 PM
And then they don't come out anyway blaming covid or budgets or more important crime or whatever they can to not have to do anything. It's really bad lately, as sys pointed out recently, as withholding services is turning out to be a good way to get support.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 09, 2020, 03:39:04 PM
911 call takers are miserable. There really should be better known options for the public to call and self-select what level the issue is. I think there are motivations by government members to not have that though. I know in my building that people calling about non-emergency and/or non-time-sensitive crimes like burglaries where the damage is long done are told by police to call 911 instead of the non-emergency regular local police department number.
And then they don't come out anyway blaming covid or budgets or more important crime or whatever they can to not have to do anything. It's really bad lately, as sys pointed out recently, as withholding services is turning out to be a good way to get support.
I think the KCPD non-emergency number goes to the janitor.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 03:42:49 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
Protests Pending Status: TBD
Only the biggest piece of crap would come away from reading that with a take about protests and race instead of the tragedy of the cops maiming that little boy. This little role you're playing continues to be a great barometer of the depths of human filth.
Don't even pretend you've turned over a new leaf BoardLunatic. Everyone recognizes it's a tragedy and that strident steps need to be taken to correct this type of police action. What also needs to be recognized is that people will likely not be out on the streets burning and looting in Glendale UT.
I'm not certain what point you're trying to make here but there are literally hundreds of police involved shootings annually and 99.99% of these don't involve anyone being "out on the streets burning and looting." Also interesting that you changed your language from protesting to "burning and looting." Hats off to you for dropping the poor ol innocent "who me" act and leaning hard into dakkk
So now it's the holistic approach to police shootings across all segments of racial demographics? I'm not going to dumpster dive but I believe that historically whenever that's been brought up here, you've pulled out the disproportional card.
Not wanting to see communities, businesses and peoples lives destroyed by looting and riots = KKK (BoardLunatic aka MIR)
Because the character you play on here is incapable of speaking like a human, I don't even know what the eff you're asking? Are you arguing against disproportionality?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
LOL, so you don't understand "across all segments of racial demographics"?
Now breakdown the population size by race and age group, particularly taking into account the known quantity that the vast majority of police shooting involve "young males". The average age of white people in the U.S. is 59, minorities, 22 years younger.
I don't rough ridin' care, take this sprint down irrelevant hall without me.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2020, 07:41:29 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 10, 2020, 08:46:32 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 10, 2020, 09:06:34 AM
Imagine a life of spending the day responding to memes on Twitter.I would imagine it’s sorta like responding to every post that even remotely slights dear leader.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2020, 09:17:15 AM
Imagine a life of spending the day responding to memes on Twitter.I would imagine it’s sorta like responding to every post that you make Dax
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 10, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2020, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 10, 2020, 10:47:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2020, 08:36:09 AM
Post by: sys on September 14, 2020, 06:15:29 PM
https://twitter.com/davidsiders/status/1302967065603522561
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 14, 2020, 07:02:47 PM
Also stop attempting to assassinate police officers. (SysWhackadoo)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2020, 10:37:02 PM
“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police’?” said newly elected council member Jamal Osman who has been swamped by resident complaints that calls for police are going unanswered.
“That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen,” Osman said.
Man, who could have seen this CF in this generational Dem controlled enclave?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2020, 12:58:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2020, 08:24:39 AM
Break it down by Ward.
Post by: steve dave on September 18, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on September 18, 2020, 12:12:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
That’s a 3+ year old dril post dax.....
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Post by: steve dave on September 18, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2020, 10:42:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 20, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
Also, read the comments. It seems this is becoming a trend.
Post by: michigancat on September 21, 2020, 09:43:02 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 21, 2020, 11:21:24 AM
Post by: tdaver on September 21, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Yeah
Bodycam footage released
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/21/bodycam-shows-salt-lake/
Quote
One officer is heard on the footage asking why they should be doing an “approach” into Linden’s home for a “psych problem.”
“We could call sergeant,” she said, according to the body camera footage. “And tell him the situation. Because I’m not about to get in a shooting because he’s upset.”
“Yeah,” another officer, who later shot Linden, replied. “Especially when he hates cops, it’s going to end in a shooting.”
Something’s gotta change with responses to mental health issues. My friend that died last month didn’t commit suicide on his own, it was suicide by cop. He was armed, but there had to be another option besides a shot to the head. Now that friend’s 14 yr old autistic son is really struggling and sometimes acting out physically. Who’s going to respond if a family member calls for help?
Post by: nicname on September 21, 2020, 10:25:49 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Yeah
Bodycam footage released
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/21/bodycam-shows-salt-lake/QuoteOne officer is heard on the footage asking why they should be doing an “approach” into Linden’s home for a “psych problem.”
“We could call sergeant,” she said, according to the body camera footage. “And tell him the situation. Because I’m not about to get in a shooting because he’s upset.”
“Yeah,” another officer, who later shot Linden, replied. “Especially when he hates cops, it’s going to end in a shooting.”
Something’s gotta change with responses to mental health issues. My friend that died last month didn’t commit suicide on his own, it was suicide by cop. He was armed, but there had to be another option besides a shot to the head. Now that friend’s 14 yr old autistic son is really struggling and sometimes acting out physically. Who’s going to respond if a family member calls for help?
Jesus man. Read the whole story. Absoluetly gut-wrenching. Sorry about your friend as well. Suicide by cop is a terrible thing. I remember when I was working in Wichita and a dude committed suicide by cop by wielding a steak knife.
Post by: michigancat on September 21, 2020, 11:37:37 PM
that seems like a perfect case for the Denver mental health professional response. Also worthy of a protest
I wonder how this model is going to work for isolated/small communities. I'm skeptical as to how they would find the resources to make this work. Maybe small towns just dispatch EMTs and they themselves call police if they can't contain the situation? EMT training is real lacking though.
an undertrained EMT is probably better than an undertrained cop with a gun
Yeah
Bodycam footage released
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/21/bodycam-shows-salt-lake/QuoteOne officer is heard on the footage asking why they should be doing an “approach” into Linden’s home for a “psych problem.”
“We could call sergeant,” she said, according to the body camera footage. “And tell him the situation. Because I’m not about to get in a shooting because he’s upset.”
“Yeah,” another officer, who later shot Linden, replied. “Especially when he hates cops, it’s going to end in a shooting.”
Something’s gotta change with responses to mental health issues. My friend that died last month didn’t commit suicide on his own, it was suicide by cop. He was armed, but there had to be another option besides a shot to the head. Now that friend’s 14 yr old autistic son is really struggling and sometimes acting out physically. Who’s going to respond if a family member calls for help?
suicide by cop is murder IMO
also jesus christ that video is bad
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2020, 01:32:47 PM
Post by: Fedor on September 23, 2020, 02:12:02 PM
Some bullshit with the Breonna Taylor gj decision.In what way?
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2020, 02:12:27 PM
Post by: Fedor on September 23, 2020, 02:14:23 PM
not even a manslaughter charge?It seemed like an uphill climb to me from what I understood about the facts.
Post by: Fedor on September 23, 2020, 02:16:41 PM
But I did not know about the guy blasting away through a covered window, that is pretty stupid/dangerous.not even a manslaughter charge?It seemed like an uphill climb to me from what I understood about the facts.
Post by: chum1 on September 23, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2020, 03:02:05 PM
not even a manslaughter charge?It seemed like an uphill climb to me from what I understood about the facts.
The most difficult part of the climb was having a MAGA coon state AG convening a grand jury.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 23, 2020, 03:05:36 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2020, 03:15:54 PM
It would be nice if there was some federal framework for an investigatory/prosecutorial procedure for police shootings.not even a manslaughter charge?It seemed like an uphill climb to me from what I understood about the facts.
The most difficult part of the climb was having a MAGA coon state AG convening a grand jury.
Post by: Phil Titola on September 23, 2020, 03:30:36 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Can't they just go play COD and get their army man dress up thrils?
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
Terrifying.
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2020, 03:32:08 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 23, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 23, 2020, 04:05:11 PM
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
I don't know what law needs to be changed but that should not be legal.Yes. Crazy.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 23, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 23, 2020, 04:15:53 PM
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2020, 04:18:12 PM
It's the 30-50 feral hogslmao
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2020, 09:19:24 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 23, 2020, 09:25:06 PM
not even a manslaughter charge?It seemed like an uphill climb to me from what I understood about the facts.
The most difficult part of the climb was having a MAGA coon state AG convening a grand jury.
So Aubrey Williams who was the former President of the Louisville NAACP said he thought the verdict was correct. I'm pretty sure he's a Dem but please let me know if he's changed his political affiliation to MAGA coon. tia
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2020, 09:27:00 PM
not even a manslaughter charge?It seemed like an uphill climb to me from what I understood about the facts.
The most difficult part of the climb was having a MAGA coon state AG convening a grand jury.
So Aubrey Williams who was the former President of the Louisville NAACP said he thought the verdict was correct. I'm pretty sure he's a Dem but please let me know if he's changed his political affiliation to MAGA coon. tia
Did I take exception to the verdict? You're out of your depth.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 23, 2020, 09:29:07 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
https://www.wlky.com/article/lmpd-officer-wounded-in-downtown-shooting/34133637?fbclid=IwAR0wg-t-BusnNm1I6dlSGmO09wmEe0aWveR6Hw0e8dufkSXNbol3LyU7MLg
Bet it was these guys!! :shakesfist: (ftp://:shakesfist:)
Post by: nicname on September 23, 2020, 09:58:08 PM
They look exactly like the trump goons disappearing people off the street in Portland
The Patriot Prayer dudes? This is the kind of crap that a political leader, in this case Trump, absolutely has to disavow.
Post by: nicname on September 23, 2020, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2020, 10:44:12 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 23, 2020, 10:46:02 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Tap out no comment confirmed.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2020, 10:49:03 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Tap out no comment confirmed.
Only complete psychos like you and mega weirdo AlexJonesSuperFan.7 even pay any attention to those guys.
It's your political movement doing the vast majority of rioting and looting . . . try to own it for a change.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 23, 2020, 10:58:09 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Tap out no comment confirmed.
Only complete psychos like you and mega weirdo AlexJonesSuperFan.7 even pay any attention to those guys.
It's your political movement doing the vast majority of rioting and looting . . . try to own it for a change.
“Those guys” and people like them only stormed a capital building, in full tactical gear with machine guns because they didn’t want to wear masks.
My political movement? Like people trying to make it equal for all? I own that, we need change, we need less of your people trying to keep things the way they have been.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2020, 11:16:16 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Tap out no comment confirmed.
Only complete psychos like you and mega weirdo AlexJonesSuperFan.7 even pay any attention to those guys.
It's your political movement doing the vast majority of rioting and looting . . . try to own it for a change.
“Those guys” and people like them only stormed a capital building, in full tactical gear with machine guns because they didn’t want to wear masks.
My political movement? Like people trying to make it equal for all? I own that, we need change, we need less of your people trying to keep things the way they have been.
Your movement burns and loots, and more than just a few show up 3 and 4 deep sporting assault weapons. You just choose not to pay any attention to it.
Plus, I'm not a complete dipshit like you, so I don't give the very very far fringe of the right the time of day and thus the attention they're looking for . . . but I keep forgetting that you're one of the resident fossil fuel burning drama queens rollin around town living at the pinnacle of first world problems thinking that a donation to a food bank puts on you par with Gandhi.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 23, 2020, 11:39:07 PM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Tap out no comment confirmed.
Only complete psychos like you and mega weirdo AlexJonesSuperFan.7 even pay any attention to those guys.
It's your political movement doing the vast majority of rioting and looting . . . try to own it for a change.
“Those guys” and people like them only stormed a capital building, in full tactical gear with machine guns because they didn’t want to wear masks.
My political movement? Like people trying to make it equal for all? I own that, we need change, we need less of your people trying to keep things the way they have been.
Your movement burns and loots, and more than just a few show up 3 and 4 deep sporting assault weapons. You just choose not to pay any attention to it.
Plus, I'm not a complete dipshit like you, so I don't give the very very far fringe of the right the time of day and thus the attention they're looking for . . . but I keep forgetting that you're one of the resident fossil fuel burning drama queens rollin around town living at the pinnacle of first world problems thinking that a donation to a food bank puts on you par with Gandhi.
The burning and looting is antifa, remember? That’s Soros, I haven’t been approached by the deep state yet.
I would argue you are the pretty big dipshit/dumbass, unlike me. I am a registered independent, so idk why you are attributing these radical left views to me. We all know you are a radical right republican, just own it bud.
I do live in the first world, very much so, I also try and do my part to limit my carbon emissions. Maybe you should try the same, instead of blaming what you and your previous generation did on my generation.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 24, 2020, 12:01:43 AM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.Won’t hear a peep out of Dax, this is what he wants in Trumps America.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
DBT is truly a psychopath.
Tap out no comment confirmed.
Only complete psychos like you and mega weirdo AlexJonesSuperFan.7 even pay any attention to those guys.
It's your political movement doing the vast majority of rioting and looting . . . try to own it for a change.
“Those guys” and people like them only stormed a capital building, in full tactical gear with machine guns because they didn’t want to wear masks.
My political movement? Like people trying to make it equal for all? I own that, we need change, we need less of your people trying to keep things the way they have been.
Your movement burns and loots, and more than just a few show up 3 and 4 deep sporting assault weapons. You just choose not to pay any attention to it.
Plus, I'm not a complete dipshit like you, so I don't give the very very far fringe of the right the time of day and thus the attention they're looking for . . . but I keep forgetting that you're one of the resident fossil fuel burning drama queens rollin around town living at the pinnacle of first world problems thinking that a donation to a food bank puts on you par with Gandhi.
The burning and looting is antifa, remember? That’s Soros, I haven’t been approached by the deep state yet.
I would argue you are the pretty big dipshit/dumbass, unlike me. I am a registered independent, so idk why you are attributing these radical left views to me. We all know you are a radical right republican, just own it bud.
I do live in the first world, very much so, I also try and do my part to limit my carbon emissions. Maybe you should try the same, instead of blaming what you and your previous generation did on my generation.
Radical Right Republican :lol: :lol: :lol:
My generation :lol: :lol: By the time "my generation" could even think about getting a DL they couldn't give a car with a V8 engine away and 4 cyl Toyota's and Honda's were flying out of the car dealerships. :lol: :lol:
It's your generation that saw the return of the V8's and the explosion of massive fossil fuel consuming airline travel.
Post by: michigancat on September 24, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 24, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
https://twitter.com/ellejkaye/status/1308971941609566213
of course, they needed the photo op
Post by: Phil Titola on September 24, 2020, 09:59:44 AM
https://twitter.com/ellejkaye/status/1308971941609566213
of course, they needed the photo op
Maybe they wanted to plant tomatoes?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 24, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 24, 2020, 10:16:39 AM
https://twitter.com/ellejkaye/status/1308971941609566213
of course, they needed the photo op
Maybe they wanted to plant tomatoes?
are they too stupid to plant outside? must be
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 24, 2020, 10:24:47 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 24, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
officer daniels: hi chief. Me and the fellas found a large box of crap outside and we had to post it on social media so we drug that large box of feces inside!
Chief: smdh
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 24, 2020, 10:28:59 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 24, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
Chief: Daniels, what smells like crap in here?
officer daniels: hi chief. Me and the fellas found a large box of crap outside and we had to post it on social media so we drug that large box of feces inside!
Chief: smdh
Super Troopers scene
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 24, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on September 24, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
These dudes are so awful and dangerous.It wasn't sunny yesterday in Louisville. That video is likely from a month ago.
https://twitter.com/Baligubadle1/status/1308827413330173952
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Post by: steve dave on September 24, 2020, 01:46:18 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 24, 2020, 01:51:36 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on September 24, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
most cops or most white people???
:confused:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 24, 2020, 02:27:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 24, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
The mother asked the cops to help her out with her son. I'm not sure what she expected to happen, but I would never ask the cops to help me out with anyone I didn't want to get shot 11 times.Which is really mumped up!
Also I'm not sure there was anyone but cops available to help her
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 24, 2020, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: nicname on September 24, 2020, 02:40:56 PM
This article has some of that, but not the in-depth quotes lifted from the LEOs body cam footage.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/09/09/salt-lake-police-shot/ (https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/09/09/salt-lake-police-shot/)
Post by: LickNeckey on September 24, 2020, 02:43:18 PM
really makes you think...
Post by: catastrophe on September 24, 2020, 03:49:48 PM
The mother asked the cops to help her out with her son. I'm not sure what she expected to happen, but I would never ask the cops to help me out with anyone I didn't want to get shot 11 times.Yeah, sorry domestic violence victims. We’ll let you choose your murderer but that’s about it.
Post by: tdaver on September 24, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
Someone (@MakeItRain ?) posted this with a tweet or news article in another thread. I can't find the exact story, but the one I did find quoted the officers on body cam discussing how to proceed. One even voiced something like "shouldn't they be calling social services. I don't want to have to shoot this kid," or something like that.
This article has some of that, but not the in-depth quotes lifted from the LEOs body cam footage.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/09/09/salt-lake-police-shot/ (https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/09/09/salt-lake-police-shot/)
Body cam footage released
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/21/bodycam-shows-salt-lake/QuoteOne officer is heard on the footage asking why they should be doing an “approach” into Linden’s home for a “psych problem.”
“We could call sergeant,” she said, according to the body camera footage. “And tell him the situation. Because I’m not about to get in a shooting because he’s upset.”
“Yeah,” another officer, who later shot Linden, replied. “Especially when he hates cops, it’s going to end in a shooting.”
Something’s gotta change with responses to mental health issues. My friend that died last month didn’t commit suicide on his own, it was suicide by cop. He was armed, but there had to be another option besides a shot to the head. Now that friend’s 14 yr old autistic son is really struggling and sometimes acting out physically. Who’s going to respond if a family member calls for help?
Post by: nicname on September 24, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
Someone (@MakeItRain ?) posted this with a tweet or news article in another thread. I can't find the exact story, but the one I did find quoted the officers on body cam discussing how to proceed. One even voiced something like "shouldn't they be calling social services. I don't want to have to shoot this kid," or something like that.
This article has some of that, but not the in-depth quotes lifted from the LEOs body cam footage.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/09/09/salt-lake-police-shot/ (https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/09/09/salt-lake-police-shot/)Body cam footage released
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/21/bodycam-shows-salt-lake/QuoteOne officer is heard on the footage asking why they should be doing an “approach” into Linden’s home for a “psych problem.”
“We could call sergeant,” she said, according to the body camera footage. “And tell him the situation. Because I’m not about to get in a shooting because he’s upset.”
“Yeah,” another officer, who later shot Linden, replied. “Especially when he hates cops, it’s going to end in a shooting.”
Something’s gotta change with responses to mental health issues. My friend that died last month didn’t commit suicide on his own, it was suicide by cop. He was armed, but there had to be another option besides a shot to the head. Now that friend’s 14 yr old autistic son is really struggling and sometimes acting out physically. Who’s going to respond if a family member calls for help?
Yeah, the quotes from the cops are pretty saddening.
Post by: kim carnes on September 24, 2020, 05:44:29 PM
If you’re looking to be even more depressed, check out the comments where people are using the incident as a platform to argue white privilege doesn’t exist.
Constantly bringing up white privilege is stupid and almost certainly hurts police reform efforts. Cops have shown they have no problem shooting white people or anyone they think is out of line, threatening etc. Most broke, blue collar white people don’t want to hear about white privilege so the left is just alienating them by constantly bringing it up.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
If you’re looking to be even more depressed, check out the comments where people are using the incident as a platform to argue white privilege doesn’t exist.
Constantly bringing up white privilege is stupid and almost certainly hurts police reform efforts. Cops have shown they have no problem shooting white people or anyone they think is out of line, threatening etc. Most broke, blue collar white people don’t want to hear about white privilege so the left is just alienating them by constantly bringing it up.
Because stupid people don't understand what white privilege is we should just stop talking about it? If anything hurts police reform and/or equity issues it's that we can't deal with this stuff honestly because white people are always getting their feelings hurt.
Post by: kim carnes on September 24, 2020, 11:20:10 PM
If you’re looking to be even more depressed, check out the comments where people are using the incident as a platform to argue white privilege doesn’t exist.
Constantly bringing up white privilege is stupid and almost certainly hurts police reform efforts. Cops have shown they have no problem shooting white people or anyone they think is out of line, threatening etc. Most broke, blue collar white people don’t want to hear about white privilege so the left is just alienating them by constantly bringing it up.
Because stupid people don't understand what white privilege is we should just stop talking about it? If anything hurts police reform and/or equity issues it's that we can't deal with this stuff honestly because white people are always getting their feelings hurt.
Yes, unless u want to lose votes all while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2020, 11:31:23 PM
If you’re looking to be even more depressed, check out the comments where people are using the incident as a platform to argue white privilege doesn’t exist.
Constantly bringing up white privilege is stupid and almost certainly hurts police reform efforts. Cops have shown they have no problem shooting white people or anyone they think is out of line, threatening etc. Most broke, blue collar white people don’t want to hear about white privilege so the left is just alienating them by constantly bringing it up.
Because stupid people don't understand what white privilege is we should just stop talking about it? If anything hurts police reform and/or equity issues it's that we can't deal with this stuff honestly because white people are always getting their feelings hurt.
Yes, unless u want to lose votes all while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
I don't believe in incrementalism, so I don't give a crap. The message of "just shut up so poor white people will vote for moderates that won't make the changes needed to be made, so they won't offend these same poor white people" seems like a position that won't move the needle for people who feel like change is needed.
Post by: catastrophe on September 25, 2020, 12:46:02 AM
If you’re looking to be even more depressed, check out the comments where people are using the incident as a platform to argue white privilege doesn’t exist.
Constantly bringing up white privilege is stupid and almost certainly hurts police reform efforts. Cops have shown they have no problem shooting white people or anyone they think is out of line, threatening etc. Most broke, blue collar white people don’t want to hear about white privilege so the left is just alienating them by constantly bringing it up.
As evidenced by the comments I referred to, liberals bringing up white privilege does not hurt police reform efforts. But racists caring more about being racist than reforming police definitely does.
Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2020, 12:21:48 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2020, 07:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ava/status/1310259004476592130
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1310201824939573248
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1310682190963970050
https://twitter.com/robferdman/status/1310652740469755904
Post by: kim carnes on October 10, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
Wtf
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Post by: sys on October 14, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
QuoteWhat Democrats are willing to do to address police unions in their new reform effort is bigger than one piece of legislation. It could ultimately determine how far the party is willing to go to address the racial reckoning that’s dominated much of 2020 and which parts of their base they are willing to prioritize.
yup.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2020, 12:57:36 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 15, 2020, 08:53:28 AM
But yes, Dems will do nothing
Post by: sys on October 23, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
They burned down the precinct. Good for them!
https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1266213707027283968
https://twitter.com/abtran/status/1319702056706428928
Post by: steve dave on October 29, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
https://twitter.com/NYPDnews/status/1321787644104318976
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elf6l6MXgAUqUaU?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2020, 10:19:09 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
stone is one of the more interesting and eclectic commenters on twitter (although i tend to find his graphs almost completely unreadable).
I'm disappointed this wasn't in the covid thread but oh well
https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1322263759306588162
Post by: sys on October 30, 2020, 07:01:57 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 05, 2020, 07:51:58 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 05, 2020, 08:26:05 AM
Any riots in Wichita last night? My SIL was sending my wife texts last night indicating that "Soros was targeting Wichita (and presumably the white-flight suburbs) for riots." I'll try to get you a screen shot later.
You'd think they would learn but it's pretty much this
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9061419520/h82B3125D/fake-throw-trolled)
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 05, 2020, 08:52:48 AM
Here it is:Any riots in Wichita last night? My SIL was sending my wife texts last night indicating that "Soros was targeting Wichita (and presumably the white-flight suburbs) for riots." I'll try to get you a screen shot later.
You'd think they would learn but it's pretty much this
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9061419520/h82B3125D/fake-throw-trolled)
(https://i.imgur.com/AlPTLDV.jpg)
Post by: Gooch on November 05, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 05, 2020, 09:04:31 AM
Weird, I did not get this text on my official Soros provided riot coordinating phone.In that case, you should be very cautious. You could be on the list to be purged.
Post by: MadCat on November 05, 2020, 10:16:35 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 05, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 05, 2020, 02:29:07 PM
Post by: Gooch on November 05, 2020, 08:46:34 PM
I am scared for Gooch. Once Soros turns his back on you...:ohno:
Post by: sys on November 10, 2020, 06:59:42 PM
https://twitter.com/dburbach/status/1326324850491879425
Post by: star seed 7 on November 10, 2020, 07:03:53 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 10, 2020, 08:20:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2020, 09:51:43 PM
Post by: sys on November 10, 2020, 11:02:28 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 10, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 01:43:36 AM
i find it difficult to criticize people who think that "defund the police" probably involves defunding the police.
In this specific case, two different things have to be done, first, one would have to pretend that "defund the police" is some widely accepted concept. Then, you would, after internally accepting that this is a widely accepted concept, not read anything about what that phrase means. I'm going to continue to be of the idea that this only has legs with people who only get their news from facebook, uncle jim, or OANN. I will refuse to take this seriously, it's either coming from people with agendas, or those who want to remain in an echo chamber.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 01:44:57 AM
Those people reminded me of spracne
They remind me of the people who say that Black Lives Matter want to eliminate fathers or destroy the nuclear family.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 07:34:37 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 09:40:25 AM
They remind me of normal Americans. Why is it so hard to admit there was a failure of messaging here?
failure by whom?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 11:00:20 AM
Activists that advocate(d) for defunding the police.
what does that have to do with voting for Trump instead of Biden?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
This still shows that with better messaging, police reform is very possible. Even trump voters support it!
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on November 11, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
dems can't control activists, but when activists land on a toxic message, dems need to do a better job of distancing themselves from that message and condemning it. they did not do that well.
I can't believe you and 7 are still on this, they didn't need to condemn crap. Why is this literally the only issue that anyone insists that politicians should even attempt to address activists? No one is asking liberals to condemn Greenpeace to make Americans better accept environmental laws? Anyone asking republicans to repudiate right to life extremists to make abortion restrictions more palatable?
The democrats just need to go about fixing the country and do what they've always done when republicans exaggerate their platform stances, ignore it.
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Why is this literally the only issue that anyone insists that politicians should even attempt to address activists?
because there is evidence that suggests it was part of the reason democrats underperformed expectations.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 04:04:33 PM
And I'm not asking anyone for condemnation, I'm asking for better marketing which for some reason you are furiously against.
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
https://twitter.com/agraybee/status/1326633242271879172
Post by: Trim on November 11, 2020, 04:15:42 PM
Post by: 8manpick on November 11, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 05:00:47 PM
Blaming these unnamed activists and AOC for Dems underperforming is a stretch IMO. The focus group folks sound like they needed an excuse to vote for Trump, and the Democratic Party establishment wants to blame anyone but themselves for underperforming.
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 05:04:54 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1326620351502094337
:emawkid:
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
I agree with her there, but would expand that there is/was a pretty severe failure to "develop, own, win, and lead"
Again, who failed there? The Biden campaign and moderate dems or "The Squad"?
Post by: kim carnes on November 11, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 05:28:55 PM
I think the bad polling of "defund the police" scared a lot of politicians off doing anything except saying they do not support it (while the opposition was gifted a perfect talking point). AOC and other super lib progressives obviously have the voter base to have more lee-way here.
I'm mostly just frustrated.
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 05:32:44 PM
it's absolutely a bad slogan but it's unclear to me who used it during the election cycle.
a parallel is with qanon and republicans. very, very few republican electeds went out of there way to use qanon acceptance, but a small number flirted with overt acceptance of parts of qanon thought and almost all were careful not to strongly disavow and distance themselves. as a result, the entire party was understandably tarnished with being qanon adjacent.
the message for republicans with qanon and for dems with respect to defund/abolish the police activists should have been that these are not serious people, we don't agree with them, they are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse and we don't seek or desire their support.
btw, i don't know if this list is accurate or comprehensive, but i have no reason to think it isn't at least the former.
https://twitter.com/CautiousLefty/status/1326337672231718914
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 05:33:45 PM
Maybe both? There is no reason there shouldn't be a national message on this issue by now. If anyone has come up with something better, I sure am not aware of it. Localities will have to do the actual work, but a national message will help a lot.
I think the bad polling of "defund the police" scared a lot of politicians off doing anything except saying they do not support it (while the opposition was gifted a perfect talking point). AOC and other super lib progressives obviously have the voter base to have more lee-way here.
I'm mostly just frustrated.
well I, for one, would be very happy if the moderate wing looked to AOC to help craft a national message regarding police.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 11, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 05:38:21 PM
I think it’s offensive that democrats are pretending that people using the phrase don’t want to defund the police, many of them do, saying otherwise is just damage control.
i think the problem was you had some truly outside the discourse activists come up with "defund the police", which accurately described what they thought should happen, and then you had the sort of next level of serious and semi-serious activists and some dem electeds most adjacent to that group that tried to adopt the slogan and backfill it with more acceptable policy and that was a giant failure and a mistake that should have been obvious in real time.
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 05:39:25 PM
it's absolutely a bad slogan but it's unclear to me who used it during the election cycle.
a parallel is with qanon and republicans. very, very few republican electeds went out of there way to use qanon acceptance, but a small number flirted with overt acceptance of parts of qanon thought and almost all were careful not to strongly disavow and distance themselves. as a result, the entire party was understandably tarnished with being qanon adjacent.
the message for republicans with qanon and for dems with respect to defund/abolish the police activists should have been that these are not serious people, we don't agree with them, they are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse and we don't seek or desire their support.
good grief that's an incredibly dumb parallel
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 05:41:26 PM
good grief that's an incredibly dumb parallel
feel free to describe why, if you disagree with it.
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 05:44:58 PM
good grief that's an incredibly dumb parallel
feel free to describe why, if you disagree with it.
no thanks
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 05:52:32 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on November 11, 2020, 06:04:25 PM
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Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
That doesn’t seem like a fair comparison. Defund is the police is an extreme political stance and QAnon are conspiracy theories.
https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1326215586066681858
Post by: michigancat on November 11, 2020, 06:37:09 PM
https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1326214729036144641
Post by: sys on November 11, 2020, 06:39:55 PM
Post by: kim carnes on November 11, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Smgdh
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 11:34:19 PM
I think that MIR is the outlier here, not Sys and 7. It’s shitty messaging.
I'm not an outlier, you aren't reading correctly. I've never once said the messaging was good, bad, or indifferent. My opinion is that the messaging doesn't matter. If the advocates said "reallocate police funding" or "demilitarizev the police" the republicans would weaponize it. A slogan isn't the reason why dems lost house seats nor should it stop legislators from doing their jobs and addressing the issue.
None of that up there is particularly controversial or groundbreaking. The talk of "defund the police" by anyone who matters is a smoke screen. The republicans also literally branded every single dem house and senate candidate with the green new deal, why isn't any of them whining about that? None of them are crying about being branded as "radical socialist liberals."
Moderate liberals know that police reform, no matter how it's dressed up, is seen as a political hot potato, so they're unnecessarily scared of it. Dems more worried about how their white think of them instead of fixing our country, par for the course.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 11:36:15 PM
it's absolutely a bad slogan but it's unclear to me who used it during the election cycle.
a parallel is with qanon and republicans. very, very few republican electeds went out of there way to use qanon acceptance, but a small number flirted with overt acceptance of parts of qanon thought and almost all were careful not to strongly disavow and distance themselves. as a result, the entire party was understandably tarnished with being qanon adjacent.
the message for republicans with qanon and for dems with respect to defund/abolish the police activists should have been that these are not serious people, we don't agree with them, they are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse and we don't seek or desire their support.
btw, i don't know if this list is accurate or comprehensive, but i have no reason to think it isn't at least the former.
My God, lol
Post by: MakeItRain on November 11, 2020, 11:43:56 PM
good grief that's an incredibly dumb parallel
feel free to describe why, if you disagree with it.
See this is why it's impossible to take you at face value when you say you're always sincere. Because either you're trolling or you're the dumbest [redacted] to ever touch a cell phone, like I don't even know how you manage to use one.
The conversation was about how bad the branding of defund the police is, which btw, no one has disagreed with, so I'm a little confused as to why we're even still talking about it. You just drew a parallel between a legitimate policy position with that of a conspiracy theory group who believes that a large segment of the country kidnaps children, stores them in furniture, and uses them as sex slaves. Then you act as if you don't know why someone wouldn't want to engage that conversation.
Sorry, no one is that obtuse, you were being insincere.
Post by: sys on November 12, 2020, 12:05:56 AM
The conversation was about how bad the branding of defund the police is, which btw, no one has disagreed with, so I'm a little confused as to why we're even still talking about it.
not gonna bother to look back for it, but i'm almost positive that both you and michigan defended the branding earlier in the year.
but you're still both trying to insist that the (now) admittedly poor branding was innocuous, which frankly is nonsensical. it may or may not have played a role in the election, but the poor branding has unquestionably tarnished police reform efforts and made it less likely that anything will be accomplished.
You just drew a parallel between a legitimate policy position with that of a conspiracy theory group who believes that a large segment of the country kidnaps children, stores them in furniture, and uses them as sex slaves. Then you act as if you don't know why someone wouldn't want to engage that conversation.
they're both outside the range of normal political thought. as the focus group participant quoted in the tweet earlier highlighted, a normal voter finds both to be crazy.
Sorry, no one is that obtuse, you were being insincere.
mir, i mean this as sincerely as i have ever meant anything. eff you and eff off.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2020, 12:27:50 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2020, 11:02:52 AM
Defund the police is a bad slogan for politicians. I may have defended it at one point but yeah I agree it's not great even though I think the possibilities of what "defund the police" details might translate into policy are fantastic.
Any mainstream national politician using the slogan is dumb. Blaming national progressives for not distancing themselves from it enough is dumb.
Really, I think Dems need to figure out how to combat Fox News. They're the ones talking about defunding the police more than anyone, and if it wasn't that they'd find some other radical-sounding position to assign to any high profile Dem. What's the solution to that without turning into Republicans?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
https://twitter.com/bshelburne/status/1334880266968510483
They act like this in the backdrop of everything that has been happening in this country, I can't imagine how these thugs act when they're not being watched. Apparently they didn't remember the racist Christmas Tree from 12 in Minnesota two years ago.
https://www.kshb.com/news/national/two-minneapolis-officers-put-on-leave-after-decorating-precinct-with-a-racist-christmas-tree
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 14, 2020, 12:03:24 AM
Post by: MadCat on December 14, 2020, 08:58:53 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 14, 2020, 09:30:11 AM
Post by: 8manpick on December 14, 2020, 09:32:48 AM
officer daris was on one last night!I think this was RowdyBoyyy
Post by: michigancat on December 14, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
-"End the Drug War"
-"Mental health 911 responses instead of armed cops" (this one needs to be workshopped)
-"no-more no-knock warrants" (this one does not need to be workshopped)
-"money for schools not guns"
-etc.
Post by: sys on December 14, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
Post by: passranch on December 14, 2020, 06:01:51 PM
We're not with those guys...we're "Refocused Budget"
SPLITTERS!
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
Notice the dems like Spanberger and most others have done nothing to advocate for or bring token police reform legislation to the floor. They have no problem discussing and voting for weed reform that goes no where, but these same people don't want votes for police reform tied to their records.
The entire defund the police discussion is an insult to all of our intelligence.
Post by: IPA4Me on December 23, 2020, 11:30:03 AM
https://twitter.com/TessaDuvall/status/1341796502398771202
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2020, 07:03:08 PM
Not sure where to stick this.
https://twitter.com/TessaDuvall/status/1341796502398771202
I'm 100% certain they could stop whomever they wanted to stop from using their logo if they didn't want it used.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2021, 12:16:36 AM
https://twitter.com/LisaBLforPA/status/1347185585279148034
Post by: sys on January 08, 2021, 12:37:31 AM
Post by: bucket on May 15, 2021, 01:53:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2021, 02:33:24 PM
https://twitter.com/portlandpolice/status/1408281086996611075?s=21
Post by: MakeItRain on June 25, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 25, 2021, 02:42:41 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on June 28, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1408860936644055041?s=19
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 28, 2021, 03:19:31 PM
Post by: Trim on June 28, 2021, 03:22:47 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on January 23, 2023, 01:54:48 PM
We haven't had a good old fashioned destruction and burn fest in awhile. :popcorn: (ftp://:popcorn:)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2023, 04:34:50 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2023, 04:39:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2023, 11:20:20 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2023, 11:23:07 PM
Bored rich white kids . . . fighting the man!
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2023, 11:32:23 PM
Hopefully the rich white kids who were arrested can recover from the trauma after they spent a few minutes in jail before their rich white parents bailed them out.
Bored rich white kids . . . fighting the man!
Yeah, of course it was rich kids, isn't that what the anti-fascist movement primarily is? Did we think black folks would protest a cop shooting and building "cop city" by throwing rocks and flares at a couple of banks?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2023, 11:37:50 PM
Hopefully the rich white kids who were arrested can recover from the trauma after they spent a few minutes in jail before their rich white parents bailed them out.
Bored rich white kids . . . fighting the man!
Yeah, of course it was rich kids, isn't that what the anti-fascist movement primarily is? Did we think black folks would protest a cop shooting and building "cop city" by throwing rocks and flares at a couple of banks?
No I don't think they would do that, because they're smart enough to know they're not going to get the same treatment as the spoiled rich white kids.
Most of whom are from out-of-state and will be at the next event. Which as we know range in scope from a few windows broken and a couple of fires to entire city blocks being burned out and minority businesses destroyed. But hey, they probably vote the right way, so, all good :thumbsup: They can spray paint FTP very expressively.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on January 24, 2023, 07:50:50 AM
I really hope Atlanta can recover from a cop car being burned and Wells Fargo and Deloitte having a couple of broken windows.
I wonder why they had such low aspirations? The least they could have done is torched a liquor store to get some free booze huh?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2023, 01:36:08 PM
I really hope Atlanta can recover from a cop car being burned and Wells Fargo and Deloitte having a couple of broken windows.
I wonder why they had such low aspirations? The least they could have done is torched a liquor store to get some free booze huh?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 27, 2023, 12:06:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2023, 12:19:54 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 27, 2023, 01:09:02 PM
Always get the top shelf stuff first.
I have horrible news for you about the police involved in this one.