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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1250 on: June 24, 2020, 02:35:34 PM »
i mean, no, not biden or sanders or any politician or anything like that.  but it's a non-trivial portion of people i interact with regarding politics and such.

you only interact with weird beto fanatics. (I will not hold their actions against all weird beto fanatics)

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1251 on: June 24, 2020, 02:35:35 PM »
a decent chunk of twitter.  trey, mir and to a lesser extent you are doing a half-hearted effort here.

So no one of any consequence?

I think they were dumbasses, but I take issue with the notion that saying these protestors are just "bad apples" is the same as saying murdering cops are just "bad apples". It's a really obtuse take.
I mean, those people were part of the conversation we were having. 

I don't think it's the "same" at all, but I think there are parallels between individuals doing bad things and those things reflecting poorly on a broader group of people.  There are obviously a lot of important distinctions too (e.g., one is murder by a state actor and the other isn't), but it's worth keeping in mind, imo.


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1252 on: June 24, 2020, 02:36:13 PM »
but it's worth keeping in mind, imo.

not really

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1253 on: June 24, 2020, 02:39:24 PM »


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1254 on: June 24, 2020, 02:42:15 PM »
you only interact with weird beto fanatics. (I will not hold their actions against all weird beto fanatics)

i denounce all weirdness by beto fanatics.
we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1255 on: June 24, 2020, 04:42:35 PM »
Sysbot Whackadoo, you are a Beto weirdo


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1256 on: June 24, 2020, 10:01:56 PM »
a decent chunk of twitter.  trey, mir and to a lesser extent you are doing a half-hearted effort here.

If you took me saying that I think the statues are largely irrelevant as a defense of people taking them down, I'd have to question what the hell you're reading. I've never even addressed what I think about the act. Shall I propose people pulling down statues be hung?

For the record I think that individuals pulling down statues, whether they Nathan Bedford Forrest or Martin Luther King Jr, are guilty of a crime, and I wouldn't shed a tear if any of them got convicted. The governments and individual institutions who put them up should face the pressure of defending having them up. Pulling them down without accountability for those responsible for them continuing to have them up accomplishes nothing.

Thank you for asking though, sys, always appreciate speaking to you way up there on that high horse.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1257 on: June 25, 2020, 01:02:44 PM »
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/

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After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”


Could also be xposted in MAGA thread.  One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1258 on: June 25, 2020, 01:26:27 PM »
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/

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After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”


Could also be xposted in MAGA thread.  One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.

They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right? 
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1259 on: June 25, 2020, 01:51:30 PM »
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/

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After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”


Could also be xposted in MAGA thread.  One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.

They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
I certainly hope so.


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1260 on: June 25, 2020, 02:21:23 PM »
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/

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After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”


Could also be xposted in MAGA thread.  One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.

They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
I certainly hope so.

that's a violation of their constitutional rights

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1261 on: June 25, 2020, 02:27:44 PM »
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/

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After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”


Could also be xposted in MAGA thread.  One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.

They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
I certainly hope so.

that's a violation of their constitutional rights
Yeah it probably is, isn't it?


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1262 on: June 25, 2020, 03:31:40 PM »
https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/

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After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them rough ridin' ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready,'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to “wipe ’em off the rough ridin' map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”


Could also be xposted in MAGA thread.  One of these Boogaloo Bois are going to kill a lot of people.

They will be taking all personal guns and carrying licenses away as well, right?
I certainly hope so.

that's a violation of their constitutional rights
Yeah it probably is, isn't it?

There are some states that give judges the ability to take away licenses and temporarily impound guns if that person is deemed to be a risk to the population. I doubt that North Carolina is one of those states. I know that Colorado is because James Holmes had one of those hearings before his rampage but the judge let him keep his guns.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1263 on: June 25, 2020, 04:39:43 PM »
Just call it civil asset forfeiture. EZPZ

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1264 on: June 28, 2020, 08:32:46 AM »
Maybe I've missed it, has anyone heard discussion of restorative justice as part of these conversations on police reform? I guess not specifically for violence by the police but as a discussion of violence in the US.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2020/06/24/making-amends-a-restorative-justice-program-seeks-to-end-americas-epidemic-of-violence/

Found the below through this.

https://www.commonjustice.org/changing_the_story_about_violence

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Thomas started working for Californians for Safety and Justice, in August, the group had created Vote Safe, a sister organization, which led a successful push for Proposition 47, a state ballot initiative to reduce a handful of nonviolent crimes—such as simple drug possession or writing a bad check under nine hundred and fifty dollars—from felonies to misdemeanors. The savings would go straight into public-safety initiatives, including funds for mental health and drug-treatment programs.

The Proposition 47 campaign included some unexpected voices. One belonged to Dionne Wilson, a white police officer’s widow who acknowledged that she once would have trashed the ballot initiative as the work of “mentally ill liberals.” Wilson met her late husband, San Leandro police officer Dan Niemi, when he visited the gun shop where she worked. In 2005, he was shot and killed on duty, after answering a routine disturbance call. In court, Wilson lobbied for the death penalty for the young man found responsible, saying that she hoped “the beast” would “burn in hell.” But as time passed and she had more exposure to the justice system, she noticed that retribution had done little to ease her rage

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In the fiscal budget for 2015, Congress took a major step toward the movement’s goals, allocating an unprecedented $1.6 billion in new funds for crime survivors. The money was pledged through the long-standing Victims of Crime Act.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1265 on: June 28, 2020, 01:39:42 PM »
Thanks memphis

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1266 on: June 29, 2020, 09:56:24 AM »
Kind of Biden specific but interesting look at the consent decrees.

POLITICO: The Obama-Era Police Reform Biden Can’t Wait to Restart.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/29/obama-police-reform-341685

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1267 on: July 01, 2020, 03:25:37 PM »
ah.  that clears it up.

we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1268 on: July 01, 2020, 03:49:37 PM »
ah.  that clears it up.

Honestly did a doubletake to make sure it wasn't babylonbee or something


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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1269 on: July 02, 2020, 11:12:36 AM »
The militia is being called up to put a stop to the riots, guys!

Got my invite to be a militia guy today! I’m so excited.




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« Reply #1270 on: July 02, 2020, 11:16:59 AM »
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