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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2020, 04:29:11 PM »
we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2020, 08:57:16 AM »
Anyone expect a large deficit spending package on infrastructure in the next 4 years?

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2020, 12:42:28 PM »
cogent insights, the both.


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Re: political hobbyist thread
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2020, 01:03:03 PM »
lots of implications for '22 and beyond.  probably the most interesting thing in american politics from a hobbyist perspective is how republicans will react to repudiation in 2020.

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« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2020, 01:15:19 PM »
Being out of The White House and in the minority in both chambers seems like it would go a long way toward bringing pubs back together. Their common hate of elite, libs, the media, etc. is very strong.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2020, 01:32:31 PM »
Very true, there is nothing conservatives love more than complaining about imaginary persecution
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2020, 01:37:18 PM »
Very true, there is nothing conservatives love more than complaining about imaginary persecution

It is not a love, it is a rallying cry to motivate the base.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2020, 09:37:44 AM »
shor is one of the more interesting people i've encountered on twitter and this is an interesting tweet.


this is a fantastic, wide-ranging interview with shor.  great for challenging your basic understanding about how politics in the united states functions (no matter where you are on the political spectrum, i think you'll find something where shor articulates that your understanding is incorrect).

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2020, 10:30:55 AM »
That was v interesting Sys.  :thumbs:

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2020, 10:35:26 AM »
I definitely think that is an interesting point. But I would like to see some comparison on union membership.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2020, 06:16:20 PM »
lots of implications for '22 and beyond.  probably the most interesting thing in american politics from a hobbyist perspective is how republicans will react to repudiation in 2020.


If they are smart, they'll return to being the party of a small, non-interventionist government. Trumpism doesn't stand for any conservative ideals but is about being against what's perceived as liberal and has unnecessarily put the Republican party at odds with conservatives. Leave the social issues alone, they really aren't the federal government's place anyway. Focus on spending and the deficit. 2020 could be a huge opportunity for the Republicans by ditching Trumpism, which didn't start with Trump. The Democratic Party is a mess and the 2020 election has the potential make it worse, even if they do win the Senate.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2020, 09:10:11 AM »
If they are smart, they'll return to being the party of a small, non-interventionist government... Leave the social issues alone, they really aren't the federal government's place anyway. Focus on spending and the deficit. 2020 could be a huge opportunity for the Republicans by ditching Trumpism, which didn't start with Trump. The Democratic Party is a mess and the 2020 election has the potential make it worse, even if they do win the Senate.

i don't think there is much of a market for that brand of conservativism.  it doesn't fulfill the policy desires of the majority of current republicans (christian social conservatism, nationalism) and it has been pretty broadly discredited by the empirical evidence of the 2010's where expansionary monetary policy undeniably produced better outcomes than that ideology predicted and tight fiscal policy produced worse.

i think there is more of a market for a sort of powerful state federalist ideology along the lines of what you mention.  i think that would be a fundamentally crippled ideology because you divorce the branches of government charged with producing outcomes (state/local) from the branch of government with the capacity to address national challenges (federal).  but i think there might be a market for it.

here is a semi-interesting interview with a conservative envisioning channeling nationalist urges into a healthier conservative party than the xenophobic, closed door ethnonationalism of trump.  i don't think it's likely to get much traction either, but it's one vision of how a non-abhorrent republican party might rise from the ashes of trumpism.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2020, 10:10:39 AM »
Interesting hearing about industrial policy from conservatives, I still wonder if seeing value in deficit spending and being worried about future budgets and financing debt are going to come back into play.

As in deficit spending is a great tool, but hey let's not kid ourselves we can't do it forever at certain rates.

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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2020, 10:28:00 AM »
i think there is value to the realization that taxes and inflation aren't a zero sum equation.  but, yeah, there seems to me to be some non-linearity in the danger of being mistaken in the durability of the deflationary environment.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2020, 10:34:30 PM »
Is HR1 going to be priority number one if Democrats take the executive and legislative branches?

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« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2020, 10:37:08 PM »
Is HR1 going to be priority number one if Democrats take the executive and legislative branches?
Yes, in the sense that many viable vaccines will be emerging.

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2020, 02:03:43 PM »
I'm about 7/8ths through this. I feel like I know most of the stories already, but some of the details and analysis gave me new perspective on a few things these days. Like, I feel like I can better understand how people like Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, etc. can always go out and play the part of the absurdly unreasonable bad person. It's not that they're simply speaking for their pos constituents. Rather, they view that role as an effective, proven strategy that is now a cherished part of late GOP history. Like they see themselves as modern day Newt Gingriches pushing the unreasonable bad person role further and further, no matter how absurd.


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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2020, 01:05:03 PM »
an interesting point.  oth, i don't know if this is a problem anywhere besides ny and its largely a solvable problem.  but it does highlight a choke point that might exist in some competitive states - and, if so, the party currently in control of election administration might not be incentivized to solve the problem.

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« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2020, 08:36:17 PM »
There are places where it will be complicated, for sure. For instance, here in Iowa you have to double apply for a mail in ballot. The SoS sends out a request to receive an application for a ballot. That request then goes to the county who sends out the application for the mail in ballot. If you reach those two deadlines then you get the ballot, which of course also has a deadline.


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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2020, 07:20:31 AM »
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Americans' ideological bent has shifted in the first half of 2020 with fewer people self-identifying as politically conservative in May and June than at the start of the year. There has been a corresponding increase in self-described liberals while the percentage moderate has been fairly steady.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316094/conservatism-down-start-2020.aspx?utm_source=facebookbutton&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=sharing&fbclid=IwAR2nYu9QzfU4YuhdRsoKQLGUF_61lqvpY6pc2YS-PQlh5hEq6HAYZYT9VFU

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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2020, 10:34:12 AM »
conservatism is being discredited by the incompetence of conservatives.
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Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2020, 10:39:57 AM »
conservatism is being discredited by the incompetence of conservatives.
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