CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[sonofdaxjones]

I think the desire not to publish is the interesting part.

I can tell you exactly why.   Because if the Feds spoon feed this to what are apparently utterly incompetent mongoloids running our state and local governments, and something bad happens.   Well, we've seen this movie a thousand times in OrangeMan Bad world.

It's comforting to know that (for example) the Governor of Oregon can defend her decision to keep the state shut down until July 6th because of every factor they can conjure up . . . but apparently the people smart enough to defend such draconian measures with the "facts" are also utterly incapable of figuring out how to reopen their economy and they need the Federal Government to give them step by step guidance.  So Trump can't tell states what to do one day, but now the states need to Trump to tell them what to do the next day.   Check-Got it

[chum1]

I think the desire not to publish is the interesting part.

I can tell you exactly why.   Because if the Feds spoon feed this to what are apparently utterly incompetent mongoloids running our state and local governments, and something bad happens.   Well, we've seen this movie a thousand times in OrangeMan Bad world.

It's comforting to know that (for example) the Governor of Oregon can defend her decision to keep the state shut down until July 6th because of every factor they can conjure up . . . but apparently the people smart enough to defend such draconian measures with the "facts" are also utterly incapable of figuring out how to reopen their economy and they need the Federal Government to give them step by step guidance.  So Trump can't tell states what to do one day, but now the states need to Trump to tell them what to do the next day.   Check-Got it

So this public health decision is a matter of politics?

[michigancat]

dax that was a document on how to clean and disinfect. Its title is literally "GUIDANCE FOR CLEANING AND DISINFECTING"

Aka staging every segment of the economy to prepare for humans occupying those spaces.

There's an entire OSHA document as well.

You guys love bureaucracy.   Tell me cRusty, how much guidance will it take at this point?   How much hand holding?   What can't these supposedly "smart" state and local people understand at this point? 

I don't think you looked at the link you shared.

Here's what I would like to see from the federal level off the top of my head:

-Guidance for state and local health departments to test/trace/isolate; I'm sure states can figure it out but why not get everyone on the same page and constantly improve best practices?
-federal funding for local health departments to execute these plans: hiring and training manual contract tracers is probably the bulk of this
-federal support for workers quarantining (and the cost of their care)
-hard numbers for entering different reopening phases in different regions: maybe it's an R0, maybe it's ICU capacity, maybe it's deaths, just something like "restaurants reopen at 50% capacity when the R0 is under 0.8", but expanded to other thresholds and businesses. No need for each state to determine this on their own
-guidelines for travel between regions based on hard numbers. How should someone traveling from Michigan to Kansas be screened, for example? Do you set up interstate checkpoints? quarantine for domestic travel? Texas may actually be the model here
-national guaranteed sick pay of at least 14 days but probably longer
-Improve port of entry screening - obviously this is a little late but needs to be done when we come out of it

[Phil Titola]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/Reopening_America_Guidance.pdf

Very difficult to find.

Not at all what was described in the tweet but okay Dax.

Waves of documentation for every sector of the economy. 

This whole utterly clueless and hopeless act on the state and local level is just sad.

Some of these people clearly don’t deserve their positions and paychecks. 

Next up:  Cuomo denies forcing Covid-19 patients on nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities.   So maybe the Feds do need to take over everything.

I agree Dax!  If county health directors and their staff of dozens can't handle global pandemics, how can we expect the federal government of the most powerful country in the world?

cRusty is preaching regional response while Phil wants the military on every street corner and Martial Law. 

New York State Public Health (for example) has doctors and administrators stacked up like cord wood and they’re all completely helpless per Phil.

Obviously that's exactly what I said.  The CDC producing detailed guidelines (like they've always done) and having a pandemic plan is exactly military lockdown.  I think it should be a regional response but it needs to have a national plan of attack defining roles/responsibilities that should be laid out before the pandemic hits.  We did not have that in this situation.  Now we are in the middle of it playing the blame game which doesn't help anybody.

This is basic risk management stuff.

If you look at the first document I produced for you, they have literally broken down the entire economy sector by sector in terms of how to stage the entirety of the public and private domain for use by human beings in a Covid-19 world.

At this point, there's been so much guidance, if people at the state and local level cannot produce a methodology on their own based on the mountains of guidance that's already been produced, then they should all be fired with extreme prejudice.

Having a national pandemic plan laid out goes well beyond producing a document telling people how to clean Dax.  Blame Obama if you need to on this, I don't really care, we just can do so much better at preparing for an outbreak.  Trying to say it's all been handled great because the guy you voted for is in office is idiotic.

[Phil Titola]

dax that was a document on how to clean and disinfect. Its title is literally "GUIDANCE FOR CLEANING AND DISINFECTING"

Aka staging every segment of the economy to prepare for humans occupying those spaces.

There's an entire OSHA document as well.

You guys love bureaucracy.   Tell me cRusty, how much guidance will it take at this point?   How much hand holding?   What can't these supposedly "smart" state and local people understand at this point? 

I don't think you looked at the link you shared.

Here's what I would like to see from the federal level off the top of my head:

-Guidance for state and local health departments to test/trace/isolate; I'm sure states can figure it out but why not get everyone on the same page and constantly improve best practices?
-federal funding for local health departments to execute these plans: hiring and training manual contract tracers is probably the bulk of this
-federal support for workers quarantining (and the cost of their care)
-hard numbers for entering different reopening phases in different regions: maybe it's an R0, maybe it's ICU capacity, maybe it's deaths, just something like "restaurants reopen at 50% capacity when the R0 is under 0.8", but expanded to other thresholds and businesses. No need for each state to determine this on their own
-guidelines for travel between regions based on hard numbers. How should someone traveling from Michigan to Kansas be screened, for example? Do you set up interstate checkpoints? quarantine for domestic travel? Texas may actually be the model here
-national guaranteed sick pay of at least 14 days but probably longer
-Improve port of entry screening - obviously this is a little late but needs to be done when we come out of it

I'd add who and how handles logistics of supplies/testing/etc.

Hopefully we learn lessons like other countries did when they were hit in the face with outbreaks in the past and get our house in order for any potential next time.

[michigancat]

I'd add who and how handles logistics of supplies/testing/etc.

Hopefully we learn lessons like other countries did when they were hit in the face with outbreaks in the past and get our house in order for any potential next time.

yeah I didn't even get into supplies. At the very least have a cohesive, transparent plan.

[kim carnes]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Lmao I think you’re oversimplifying the logistics of that operation.  The only way to stop it would’ve been to stop all travel into the us.

no you wouldn't, none of the Asian countries stopped all incoming travel. You just need to ramp up screening and maybe shut down international travel into smaller airports. The larger airports are already set up for quarantining sick people and I'm sure there's empty hotels at all of them if they need more space

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantinestationcontactlistfull.html

So timeline wise, when would you have implemented this?

[Trim]

dax likes trump and phil titola hates trump.

[michigancat]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Lmao I think you’re oversimplifying the logistics of that operation.  The only way to stop it would’ve been to stop all travel into the us.

no you wouldn't, none of the Asian countries stopped all incoming travel. You just need to ramp up screening and maybe shut down international travel into smaller airports. The larger airports are already set up for quarantining sick people and I'm sure there's empty hotels at all of them if they need more space

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantinestationcontactlistfull.html

So timeline wise, when would you have implemented this?

Late January for flights from Asia, Late February or early March for flights from Italy and Europe.

Trump actually had the China "travel ban" in effect January 31 and there was supposed to be extra screening for the citizens returning but it sounds like it was pretty lax I don't know if they actually quarantined anyone because of it. It honestly probably helped quite a bit but not doing anything about Europe until mid-March really hurt.

[DQ12]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Lmao I think you’re oversimplifying the logistics of that operation.  The only way to stop it would’ve been to stop all travel into the us.

no you wouldn't, none of the Asian countries stopped all incoming travel. You just need to ramp up screening and maybe shut down international travel into smaller airports. The larger airports are already set up for quarantining sick people and I'm sure there's empty hotels at all of them if they need more space

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantinestationcontactlistfull.html

So timeline wise, when would you have implemented this?

Late January for flights from Asia, Late February or early March for flights from Italy and Europe.

Trump actually had the China "travel ban" in effect January 31 and there was supposed to be extra screening for the citizens returning but it sounds like it was pretty lax I don't know if they actually quarantined anyone because of it. It honestly probably helped quite a bit but not doing anything about Europe until mid-March really hurt.

The first tests being broken really hurt.

[michigancat]

The first tests being broken really hurt.

true, but I don't think the US as a whole would know what to do with tests. We really have a pretty high testing capacity now but I don't get a sense of a real plan from anyone.
also our general system and culture when it comes to new diagnostic tests was a problem in addition to one faulty test

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-in-the-us

[Dugout DickStone]

I think the desire not to publish is the interesting part.

I can tell you exactly why.   Because if the Feds spoon feed this to what are apparently utterly incompetent mongoloids running our state and local governments, and something bad happens.   Well, we've seen this movie a thousand times in OrangeMan Bad world.

It's comforting to know that (for example) the Governor of Oregon can defend her decision to keep the state shut down until July 6th because of every factor they can conjure up . . . but apparently the people smart enough to defend such draconian measures with the "facts" are also utterly incapable of figuring out how to reopen their economy and they need the Federal Government to give them step by step guidance.  So Trump can't tell states what to do one day, but now the states need to Trump to tell them what to do the next day.   Check-Got it

lol.  Trump and trumpers are such fragile little bitches scared of their own shadows.  I love it

[DQ12]

The first tests being broken really hurt.

true, but I don't think the US as a whole would know what to do with tests. We really have a pretty high testing capacity now but I don't get a sense of a real plan from anyone.
also our general system and culture when it comes to new diagnostic tests was a problem in addition to one faulty test

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-in-the-us

Yeah.  What a dumb system.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/17/russia-approves-unproven-malaria-drug-to-treat-coronavirus-a70025

Russia using HCQ to treat COVID-19.

Source of HCQ: China

China is also using HCQ to treat COVID-19.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/19/chloroquine-known-as-effective-against-coronavirus-since-2005/

The more you know...

[sonofdaxjones]

I think the desire not to publish is the interesting part.

I can tell you exactly why.   Because if the Feds spoon feed this to what are apparently utterly incompetent mongoloids running our state and local governments, and something bad happens.   Well, we've seen this movie a thousand times in OrangeMan Bad world.

It's comforting to know that (for example) the Governor of Oregon can defend her decision to keep the state shut down until July 6th because of every factor they can conjure up . . . but apparently the people smart enough to defend such draconian measures with the "facts" are also utterly incapable of figuring out how to reopen their economy and they need the Federal Government to give them step by step guidance.  So Trump can't tell states what to do one day, but now the states need to Trump to tell them what to do the next day.   Check-Got it

lol.  Trump and trumpers are such fragile little bitches scared of their own shadows.  I love it

Slow Dug, is gonna ride herd with his incompetent mongoloids come hell or RONA.

[DaBigTrain]

Breitbart and The Moscow Times 

[Dugout DickStone]

I think the desire not to publish is the interesting part.

I can tell you exactly why.   Because if the Feds spoon feed this to what are apparently utterly incompetent mongoloids running our state and local governments, and something bad happens.   Well, we've seen this movie a thousand times in OrangeMan Bad world.

It's comforting to know that (for example) the Governor of Oregon can defend her decision to keep the state shut down until July 6th because of every factor they can conjure up . . . but apparently the people smart enough to defend such draconian measures with the "facts" are also utterly incapable of figuring out how to reopen their economy and they need the Federal Government to give them step by step guidance.  So Trump can't tell states what to do one day, but now the states need to Trump to tell them what to do the next day.   Check-Got it

lol.  Trump and trumpers are such fragile little bitches scared of their own shadows.  I love it

Slow Dug, is gonna ride herd with his incompetent mongoloids come hell or RONA.

fragile

[ChiComCat]

Breitbart and The Moscow Times 

He can probably post some compelling youtubes if you like

[sonofdaxjones]

I ain't gonna pay no attention to what those damn ferners may be treatin the Rona with (Resident Useful Idiot Nation)

[CHONGS]

Do you agree there is a conspiracy to cover up the effectiveness of HCQ?

[star seed 7]

Suddenly dax believes everything China and Russia say

[sonofdaxjones]

Suddenly dax believes everything China and Russia say

No Useful Idiot .9, that's your contingency.

[Dugout DickStone]

trump hasn't mentioned HCQ since before he wanted to inject disinfectant.  Maybe he is in on the conpriacy?  bqqk?!

[sonofdaxjones]

Do you agree there is a conspiracy to cover up the effectiveness of HCQ?

Do I believe that there's a conspiracy?  No

Anecdotally I believe HCQ works for certain Covid-19 patients at a certain point in their individual life cycle with this disease, and for others, it doesn't do anything.   

Do I believe that mega billion dollar pharmaceutical companies play games, and have substantial tie-ins to TechnoCrats like Anthony Fauci, yes.

When there's Trillions of dollars being thrown around, corporations have no problem following the money and seizing on opportunity.

[steve dave]

That’s a conspiracy Dax, lmao


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