Author Topic: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread  (Read 1490980 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 55907
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
We could always go the incineration route.




Offline Phil Titola

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 15602
  • He took it out!
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Yeah I don't understand the thinking that people shouldn't expect the richest most powerful country in the world to be up to the task of controlling an outbreak better than we are doing. Guys America is great again now, expect better !

Offline chum1

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 22431
    • View Profile
Quote
step-by-step advice to local leaders deciding when and how to reopen public places such as mass transit, day care centers and restaurants
...
It was supposed to be published last Friday, but agency scientists were told the guidance “would never see the light of day,” according to a CDC official.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1258341898844069888

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Yeah I don't understand the thinking that people shouldn't expect the richest most powerful country in the world to be up to the task of controlling an outbreak better than we are doing. Guys America is great again now, expect better !
China whipped it, Phil!  Let’s start locking down cities, post troops on every street corner and pulling infected people out of their apartments and tossing them into the fires. 

Why can’t we just be an island nation 1/12th the size or a country 1/6th the size with a militarized uniborder that’s lockdown by mines, machine guns, artillery, mortars and booby traps with a couple of actual International airports and 1 maybe 2 international ports.

Or better yet, a nearly homogeneous collective of native born like thinkers with a history of rallying around a singular political cause (never mind the torches, arm bands and polished boots).

Offline steve dave

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 88385
  • Romantic Fist Attachment
    • View Profile
Quote
step-by-step advice to local leaders deciding when and how to reopen public places such as mass transit, day care centers and restaurants
...
It was supposed to be published last Friday, but agency scientists were told the guidance “would never see the light of day,” according to a CDC official.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1258341898844069888

jesus christ

Offline Phil Titola

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 15602
  • He took it out!
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Yeah I don't understand the thinking that people shouldn't expect the richest most powerful country in the world to be up to the task of controlling an outbreak better than we are doing. Guys America is great again now, expect better !
China whipped it, Phil!  Let’s start locking down cities, post troops on every street corner and pulling infected people out of their apartments and tossing them into the fires. 

Why can’t we just be an island nation 1/12th the size or a country 1/6th the size with a militarized uniborder that’s lockdown by mines, machine guns, artillery, mortars and booby traps with a couple of actual International airports and 1 maybe 2 international ports.

Or better yet, a nearly homogeneous collective of native born like thinkers with a history of rallying around a singular political cause (never mind the torches, arm bands and polished boots).

Republicans killing "American is great and can meet any challenge" is not at all what I expected from Donald Trump's presidency. 

Looks like we're reduced to "We kinda stopped people coming from China and told the states to figure it out, what else do you want, us to burn people alive????"

Offline Phil Titola

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 15602
  • He took it out!
    • View Profile
Quote
step-by-step advice to local leaders deciding when and how to reopen public places such as mass transit, day care centers and restaurants
...
It was supposed to be published last Friday, but agency scientists were told the guidance “would never see the light of day,” according to a CDC official.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1258341898844069888

jesus christ

follow federal guidelines, good luck finding them!  Maybe talk amongst yourselves and come up with some ideas?


Offline Phil Titola

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 15602
  • He took it out!
    • View Profile

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3990.pdf

Another extremely difficult document to find.

In addition when you read the WHOLE story beyond the Useful Idiot moth to flame headline.  You find out that the administration is concerned that a static singular approach is not befitting the dynamic nature of the virus (now featuring hospital readmissions of previously released patients and patients now testing positive after testing negative). 

We’ll chalk this up to Useful Idiot demands for Federal Control of everything.  In an hour the Useful Idiots will be cheering for a governor. 

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/Reopening_America_Guidance.pdf

Very difficult to find.

Not at all what was described in the tweet but okay Dax.
Waves of documentation for every sector of the economy. 

This whole utterly clueless and hopeless act on the state and local level is just sad.

Some of these people clearly don’t deserve their positions and paychecks. 

Next up:  Cuomo denies forcing Covid-19 patients on nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities.   So maybe the Feds do need to take over everything.

Offline michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 55907
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Yeah I don't understand the thinking that people shouldn't expect the richest most powerful country in the world to be up to the task of controlling an outbreak better than we are doing. Guys America is great again now, expect better !
China whipped it, Phil!  Let’s start locking down cities, post troops on every street corner and pulling infected people out of their apartments and tossing them into the fires. 

Why can’t we just be an island nation 1/12th the size or a country 1/6th the size with a militarized uniborder that’s lockdown by mines, machine guns, artillery, mortars and booby traps with a couple of actual International airports and 1 maybe 2 international ports.

Or better yet, a nearly homogeneous collective of native born like thinkers with a history of rallying around a singular political cause (never mind the torches, arm bands and polished boots).

New York could learn a lot from Hong Kong, for example

Hong Kong has one of the busiest international airports in the world, had direct flights and trains from Wuhan, a population with well-documented objection to government authority, and has a more dense transit system than New York, yet they've handled it pretty well.

Handle it regionally and it can be done. I think the biggest challenge is interstate travel but contact tracing and centralized quarantine could start now and do a lot of good while we figure out what to do to keep the spread from a hot spot to a cool spot.

Offline Phil Titola

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 15602
  • He took it out!
    • View Profile
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/Reopening_America_Guidance.pdf

Very difficult to find.

Not at all what was described in the tweet but okay Dax.
Waves of documentation for every sector of the economy. 

This whole utterly clueless and hopeless act on the state and local level is just sad.

Some of these people clearly don’t deserve their positions and paychecks. 

Next up:  Cuomo denies forcing Covid-19 patients on nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities.   So maybe the Feds do need to take over everything.

I agree Dax!  If county health directors and their staff of dozens can't handle global pandemics, how can we expect the federal government of the most powerful country in the world?

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Yeah I don't understand the thinking that people shouldn't expect the richest most powerful country in the world to be up to the task of controlling an outbreak better than we are doing. Guys America is great again now, expect better !
China whipped it, Phil!  Let’s start locking down cities, post troops on every street corner and pulling infected people out of their apartments and tossing them into the fires. 

Why can’t we just be an island nation 1/12th the size or a country 1/6th the size with a militarized uniborder that’s lockdown by mines, machine guns, artillery, mortars and booby traps with a couple of actual International airports and 1 maybe 2 international ports.

Or better yet, a nearly homogeneous collective of native born like thinkers with a history of rallying around a singular political cause (never mind the torches, arm bands and polished boots).

New York could learn a lot from Hong Kong, for example

Hong Kong has one of the busiest international airports in the world, had direct flights and trains from Wuhan, a population with well-documented objection to government authority, and has a more dense transit system than New York, yet they've handled it pretty well.

Handle it regionally and it can be done. I think the biggest challenge is interstate travel but contact tracing and centralized quarantine could start now and do a lot of good while we figure out what to do to keep the spread from a hot spot to a cool spot.
Well cRusty you can start by getting those highly enlightened New Yorkers gathered together shoulder to shoulder in the West End parks with no masks on


Good luck.

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/Reopening_America_Guidance.pdf

Very difficult to find.

Not at all what was described in the tweet but okay Dax.
Waves of documentation for every sector of the economy. 

This whole utterly clueless and hopeless act on the state and local level is just sad.

Some of these people clearly don’t deserve their positions and paychecks. 

Next up:  Cuomo denies forcing Covid-19 patients on nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities.   So maybe the Feds do need to take over everything.

I agree Dax!  If county health directors and their staff of dozens can't handle global pandemics, how can we expect the federal government of the most powerful country in the world?
cRusty is preaching regional response while Phil wants the military on every street corner and Martial Law. 

New York State Public Health (for example) has doctors and administrators stacked up like cord wood and they’re all completely helpless per Phil.

Offline kim carnes

  • chingon!
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 13843
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Lmao I think you’re oversimplifying the logistics of that operation.  The only way to stop it would’ve been to stop all travel into the us.

Offline Phil Titola

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 15602
  • He took it out!
    • View Profile
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/Reopening_America_Guidance.pdf

Very difficult to find.

Not at all what was described in the tweet but okay Dax.
Waves of documentation for every sector of the economy. 

This whole utterly clueless and hopeless act on the state and local level is just sad.

Some of these people clearly don’t deserve their positions and paychecks. 

Next up:  Cuomo denies forcing Covid-19 patients on nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities.   So maybe the Feds do need to take over everything.

I agree Dax!  If county health directors and their staff of dozens can't handle global pandemics, how can we expect the federal government of the most powerful country in the world?
cRusty is preaching regional response while Phil wants the military on every street corner and Martial Law. 

New York State Public Health (for example) has doctors and administrators stacked up like cord wood and they’re all completely helpless per Phil.

Obviously that's exactly what I said.  The CDC producing detailed guidelines (like they've always done) and having a pandemic plan is exactly military lockdown.  I think it should be a regional response but it needs to have a national plan of attack defining roles/responsibilities that should be laid out before the pandemic hits.  We did not have that in this situation.  Now we are in the middle of it playing the blame game which doesn't help anybody.

This is basic risk management stuff. 

Offline michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 55907
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Well cRusty you can start by getting those highly enlightened New Yorkers gathered together shoulder to shoulder in the West End parks with no masks on


Good luck.

I think New York really mumped up by dragging their feet with a lockdown and the praise Cuomo has been getting is ridiculous. And I think the lack of centralized quarantine measures is way worse than people gathering in a park.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

Offline michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 55907
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only country that overcame a large outbreak is China.  The rest have achieved success by stopping the outbreak before it ever got started which is a lot fuckn harder to accomplish in a country like ours.

It really isn't, you just need to replicate what they do at their international airports at ours and have regional contract tracing and quarantine. It's obviously too late now but to completely stamp it out but there's still a lot that could be adapted.

Lmao I think you’re oversimplifying the logistics of that operation.  The only way to stop it would’ve been to stop all travel into the us.

no you wouldn't, none of the Asian countries stopped all incoming travel. You just need to ramp up screening and maybe shut down international travel into smaller airports. The larger airports are already set up for quarantining sick people and I'm sure there's empty hotels at all of them if they need more space

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantinestationcontactlistfull.html

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/Reopening_America_Guidance.pdf

Very difficult to find.

Not at all what was described in the tweet but okay Dax.
Waves of documentation for every sector of the economy. 

This whole utterly clueless and hopeless act on the state and local level is just sad.

Some of these people clearly don’t deserve their positions and paychecks. 

Next up:  Cuomo denies forcing Covid-19 patients on nursing homes and rehabilitation facilities.   So maybe the Feds do need to take over everything.

I agree Dax!  If county health directors and their staff of dozens can't handle global pandemics, how can we expect the federal government of the most powerful country in the world?
cRusty is preaching regional response while Phil wants the military on every street corner and Martial Law. 

New York State Public Health (for example) has doctors and administrators stacked up like cord wood and they’re all completely helpless per Phil.

Obviously that's exactly what I said.  The CDC producing detailed guidelines (like they've always done) and having a pandemic plan is exactly military lockdown.  I think it should be a regional response but it needs to have a national plan of attack defining roles/responsibilities that should be laid out before the pandemic hits.  We did not have that in this situation.  Now we are in the middle of it playing the blame game which doesn't help anybody.

This is basic risk management stuff.

If you look at the first document I produced for you, they have literally broken down the entire economy sector by sector in terms of how to stage the entirety of the public and private domain for use by human beings in a Covid-19 world.

At this point, there's been so much guidance, if people at the state and local level cannot produce a methodology on their own based on the mountains of guidance that's already been produced, then they should all be fired with extreme prejudice.


Offline michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 55907
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
dax that was a document on how to clean and disinfect. Its title is literally "GUIDANCE FOR CLEANING AND DISINFECTING"

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59290
    • View Profile
dax that was a document on how to clean and disinfect. Its title is literally "GUIDANCE FOR CLEANING AND DISINFECTING"

Aka staging every segment of the economy to prepare for humans occupying those spaces.

There's an entire OSHA document as well.

You guys love bureaucracy.   Tell me cRusty, how much guidance will it take at this point?   How much hand holding?   What can't these supposedly "smart" state and local people understand at this point? 


Offline chum1

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 22431
    • View Profile
I think the desire not to publish is the interesting part.

Offline chum1

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 22431
    • View Profile
What can't these supposedly "smart" state and local people understand at this point?

Well, crap. Looks like they have a desire not to publish as well.

https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1258230165999628290