CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[sys]

This is one of those times I will side with the trumpers, this is a really stupid comparison. South Korea is roughly the size of Indiana that essentially has no functional borders. They also have an infrastructure that blows ours away, can't blame trump for that either. There's also this

not sure what you're trying to say with re. to borders, but testing doesn't have anything to do with borders or country size/density.

[Phil Titola]

Also guys, it’s only been a week since the NBA suspended their season. It feels like a lifetime ago.

Blew my mind to think I was at the last Big 12 tourney game right now!

[420seriouscat69]

https://twitter.com/education4libs/status/1240429375381798912?s=21

[Kat Kid]

This is one of those times I will side with the trumpers, this is a really stupid comparison. South Korea is roughly the size of Indiana that essentially has no functional borders. They also have an infrastructure that blows ours away, can't blame trump for that either. There's also this

not sure what you're trying to say with re. to borders, but testing doesn't have anything to do with borders or country size/density.

I think he's referencing federalism. And I have to say, the laboratory of democracy rough ridin' sucks at responding to this.

[420seriouscat69]

One country that has been seemingly quiet in all this has been India.  I would think based on sheer population size they would be in really bad shape.

We have a decent sized team there and they have been WFH all week too. They have said it’s starting to spread a little but it isn’t super bad yet.

They have 1.4 Billion people in that country and many leave there for opportunities in other countries. They probably have no idea how to react to this or have organization going on over there right now by their representation..

[MakeItRain]

This is one of those times I will side with the trumpers, this is a really stupid comparison. South Korea is roughly the size of Indiana that essentially has no functional borders. They also have an infrastructure that blows ours away, can't blame trump for that either. There's also this

not sure what you're trying to say with re. to borders, but testing doesn't have anything to do with borders or country size/density.

Borders refers to the ability to keep it contained, I mentioned the size of the country and the infrastructure helps with the testing. Even if we did exactly what South Korea did, we'd still have lines miles long of people trying to get tested. The sheer size of the country would prevent us from containing the way they did.

[sys]

Borders refers to the ability to keep it contained, I mentioned the size of the country and the infrastructure helps with the testing. Even if we did exactly what South Korea did, we'd still have lines miles long of people trying to get tested. The sheer size of the country would prevent us from containing the way they did.

i don't see how that would be true.  size and lack of density gives us an advantage, if anything.  but the main thing is just testing capacity.

[MakeItRain]

This is one of those times I will side with the trumpers, this is a really stupid comparison. South Korea is roughly the size of Indiana that essentially has no functional borders. They also have an infrastructure that blows ours away, can't blame trump for that either. There's also this

not sure what you're trying to say with re. to borders, but testing doesn't have anything to do with borders or country size/density.

I think he's referencing federalism. And I have to say, the laboratory of democracy rough ridin' sucks at responding to this.

I had a longer answer here but the bottom line is blaming trump for America not having as effective of an infrastructure as South Korea is daft.

[Spracne]

This is one of those times I will side with the trumpers, this is a really stupid comparison. South Korea is roughly the size of Indiana that essentially has no functional borders. They also have an infrastructure that blows ours away, can't blame trump for that either. There's also this

not sure what you're trying to say with re. to borders, but testing doesn't have anything to do with borders or country size/density.

Borders refers to the ability to keep it contained, I mentioned the size of the country and the infrastructure helps with the testing. Even if we did exactly what South Korea did, we'd still have lines miles long of people trying to get tested. The sheer size of the country would prevent us from containing the way they did.

At least for now, yeah. If we were serious, we'd institute a domestic travel ban (subject to certain exceptions) until we identify and contain all the clusters. Would be unconstitutional in normal times, but not at the moment.

[sys]

I think he's referencing federalism. And I have to say, the laboratory of democracy rough ridin' sucks at responding to this.

i think that's mostly just because the current head of the federal govt's response has been "hey, good luck states and cities, i'm rooting for you."  federalism causes lots of routine roadblocks in everyday life, but we're pretty decent at centralizing in emergencies.

[Kat Kid]

I think he's referencing federalism. And I have to say, the laboratory of democracy rough ridin' sucks at responding to this.

i think that's mostly just because the current head of the federal govt's response has been "hey, good luck states and cities, i'm rooting for you."  federalism causes lots of routine roadblocks in everyday life, but we're pretty decent at centralizing in emergencies.

I agree, but a good chunk of that is structural. South Korea doesn't let some boony ass school board set their curriculums or the school schedule, it is all nationalized already.

Which brings us to healthcare, which as we already knew is an absolute clusterfuck in america and at least a good chunk of the reason why the response has been so bad. Trump is a eff up, but he was in charge of a rickety system ready to fail too.

[catastrophe]

One country that has been seemingly quiet in all this has been India.  I would think based on sheer population size they would be in really bad shape.

There is growing evidence that tropical conditions are very unfriendly to the virus.  Not all of India falls between the equator and tropic of cancer but a decent chunk does.  https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-stunning-chart-shows-the-coronavirus-spreading-slowly-in-tropical-countries-2020-03-17

[catastrophe]

What are some cliffs on what S Korea did to contain it?

This may surprise you.


They did crap loads of testing. Also had fever clinics previously in place from SARS stuff that they used to deal with suspected cases.

And they track all their citizens so they could zero in on connections to others to get them isolated and tested.  Yes what I read the invested in infrastructure after the last time  to make sure they were ready next time.

We were stuck with president hoax flying around laughing about it.

So once they tested you and it came back positive how did they instruct people to proceed? The whole process seems remarkably simplistic but has apparently been staggeringly effective.

In China they quarantine you in the clinic and you stay there until you test negative.  That is by far the most effective route because the vast majority of all infections are family spread.  I'm not sure, but I think South Korea may be a little more lax and just firmly instruct you to self quarantine.  There's a popular story about a single person in South Korea violating their quarantine and causing some crazy number like 80% of the infections there.

[Spracne]

Texas now allowing restaurants to deliver booze drinks in response to hardship caused by COVID-19.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/03/18/texas-governor-greg-abbott-allows-restaurants-deliver-alcohol-food-purchases-coronavirus-outbreak/amp/

[wetwillie]

God bless Texas

[michigancat]

https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/1240450608919912458

[michigancat]

I think he's referencing federalism. And I have to say, the laboratory of democracy rough ridin' sucks at responding to this.

i think that's mostly just because the current head of the federal govt's response has been "hey, good luck states and cities, i'm rooting for you."  federalism causes lots of routine roadblocks in everyday life, but we're pretty decent at centralizing in emergencies.

I agree, but a good chunk of that is structural. South Korea doesn't let some boony ass school board set their curriculums or the school schedule, it is all nationalized already.

Which brings us to healthcare, which as we already knew is an absolute clusterfuck in america and at least a good chunk of the reason why the response has been so bad. Trump is a eff up, but he was in charge of a rickety system ready to fail too.

for sure but Trump taking it seriously sooner, especially when it comes to testing, could have lessened the blow.

[chum1]

I believe the only two choices here are pretending that the US is exactly like South Korea in every way or going full MAGA.

[chum1]

Oh, lovely.

https://twitter.com/Scout_Finch/status/1240278318064205827

[420seriouscat69]

I deal with a lot of sponsorship issues with Doctors. It definitely got stricter with Trump, but past presidents carelessness caused the issue here with International Docs trying to get licensed here in the states. There’s been a ton of malpractice issues here, because of previous administrations not giving AF about who was operating/practicing on their patients here. My previous company that I left just closed their doors on 50 practices for not thoroughly looking into this exact matter in the last week. Sorry we lost a good doc out of this. Your teeth/health/daily doc have probably been treated on unfairly lately DUE to lazy vetting by the previous administration. Now everyone who’s here practicing in the states have a careful eye on them. An unfair eye, sure. But this admin is actually doing their homework with International docs, whether it’s fair or not.

[sys]

https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1240417970666369024

i just now got around to reading that article.  great article, very informative.

[SkinnyBenny]

Baby doctor?   

Katpappy, no

Won't hurt to look up what an obstetrician and gynecologist (OB/GYN)does: a physician who specializes in women's reproductive health and pregnancy.

Hey, Wuhan clam ain't nothing to eff with

Maybe your best ever.

[Woogy]

I think he's referencing federalism. And I have to say, the laboratory of democracy rough ridin' sucks at responding to this.

i think that's mostly just because the current head of the federal govt's response has been "hey, good luck states and cities, i'm rooting for you."  federalism causes lots of routine roadblocks in everyday life, but we're pretty decent at centralizing in emergencies.

I agree, but a good chunk of that is structural. South Korea doesn't let some boony ass school board set their curriculums or the school schedule, it is all nationalized already.

Which brings us to healthcare, which as we already knew is an absolute clusterfuck in america and at least a good chunk of the reason why the response has been so bad. Trump is a eff up, but he was in charge of a rickety system ready to fail too.

for sure but Trump taking it seriously sooner, especially when it comes to testing, could have lessened the blow.

So what play did he have re: testing? Emergency order to tell everyone to ignore the CDC's cf and FDA regs about testing and go do their own thing? It's kinda the one time he doesn't eff with something, that something turns out to be like grandpa sitting stopped through a green light

[420seriouscat69]

Oh, lovely.

https://twitter.com/Scout_Finch/status/1240278318064205827

https://twitter.com/parkebench/status/1240380966553538562?s=21

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1240424860481998848