Impeachment Inquiry thread

[Shooter Jones]

On top of the stupid electoral college, I've been pissed for MONTHS that Wyoming gets 2 senators. WHEN DID THEY START DOING THAT?

[star seed 7]

One person, one vote*

*not valid in presidential elections

[sonofdaxjones]

Power to the Sheeple!! (LibBot Nation)

Derp, lets apply local/regional/state election processes to national elections , . . Derp! (LibBot Nation)

[catastrophe]

People that praise the electoral college for giving a voice to smaller communities seem completely oblivious to the fact that everyone really only talks about like 5 states each election cycle.

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/byamberphillips/status/1205511724302061569

[sonofdaxjones]

People that praise the electoral college for giving a voice to smaller communities seem completely oblivious to the fact that everyone really only talks about like 5 states each election cycle.

Oblivious   

[Shooter Jones]

People that praise the electoral college for giving a voice to smaller communities seem completely oblivious to the fact that everyone really only talks about like 5 states each election cycle.

LMAO

[star seed 7]

Suppressing the vote of millions of Republicans in California to make people pay attention to Ohio, marvelous system.

[Institutional Control]

It really is sad that the US still has constitutionally sanctioned voter suppression

It really is sad to LibBot idiots wanting to completely disenfranchise voters because they live in less populated areas and allow politicians to only pay attention to a select and very small grouping of meccas to urban sprawl.

But here we are.

More surprising that someone that has been utterly marginalized by his own party wants this.

The electoral college disenfranchises voters who live in heavily populated areas.   Why are rural voters disenfranchisement more important to you?  What's the difference?

[LickNeckey]

It really is sad that the US still has constitutionally sanctioned voter suppression

It really is sad to LibBot idiots wanting to completely disenfranchise voters because they live in less populated areas and allow politicians to only pay attention to a select and very small grouping of meccas to urban sprawl.

But here we are.

More surprising that someone that has been utterly marginalized by his own party wants this.

this is such a stupid argument

how is a dem not disenfranchised in a rural area?

[star seed 7]

Getting rid of the ec doesn't disenfranchise anyone, it creates equal footing for all voters

[Rage Against the McKee]

It really is sad that the US still has constitutionally sanctioned voter suppression

It really is sad to LibBot idiots wanting to completely disenfranchise voters because they live in less populated areas and allow politicians to only pay attention to a select and very small grouping of meccas to urban sprawl.

But here we are.

More surprising that someone that has been utterly marginalized by his own party wants this.

The electoral college disenfranchises voters who live in heavily populated areas.   Why are rural voters disenfranchisement more important to you?  What's the difference?

It disenfranchises rural voters, too. Nobody living in Kansas needs to bother voting for president.

[Shooter Jones]

It really is sad that the US still has constitutionally sanctioned voter suppression

It really is sad to LibBot idiots wanting to completely disenfranchise voters because they live in less populated areas and allow politicians to only pay attention to a select and very small grouping of meccas to urban sprawl.

But here we are.

More surprising that someone that has been utterly marginalized by his own party wants this.

The electoral college disenfranchises voters who live in heavily populated areas.   Why are rural voters disenfranchisement more important to you?  What's the difference?

It disenfranchises rural voters, too. Nobody living in Kansas needs to bother voting for president.

Without doing much research, I believe Al Gore would've won the 2000 election if no one in Kansas voted.

[catastrophe]

This is getting pretty OT. My point is that if we can’t rein in the power of the President we need a system where the public actually elects one.

[Shooter Jones]

This is getting pretty OT. My point is that if we can’t rein in the power of the President we need a system where the public actually elects one.

Let's be honest. It was never a systemic issue 40 months ago.

It became an issue when Hillary ran a trash campaign, ignored many swing states and got absolutely destroyed in the EC by a strategy involving/led by a complete dumbshit named Donald Trump.

Dems still can't handle it, but have no one to blame but themselves, not the system.

[Institutional Control]

It was a big deal in 2000.

[Shooter Jones]

It was a big deal in 2000.

How hard has the push for system change been since 2000? Maybe I missed it.

[Institutional Control]

There's no big push because it's not something that will ever happen.  You would need 2/3 of the states to vote to kill the EC. So basically, the states who benefit the most from the EC would have to agree to concede that power that they have.  And they won't.  But, when a president is elected by the EC and not the popular vote, people are reminded what a mumped up stupid system it is.

[Woogy]

When winning the popular vote is less than 30% of eligible voters, that's not a solution either. 70% of the country would have a direct claim of "I didn't vote for them."

[star seed 7]

That's the stupidest argument for the ec I've ever heard, congratulations

[sys]

the ec doesn't systematically disadvantage either rural or urban voters.  nor does it systematically benefit either dems or pubs.  good grief.

[Woogy]

I didn't say it was an argument *for* the EC, but against the "popular" vote as its thrown about today. Pat yourself, bub.

[star seed 7]

That's the stupidest argument against the popular vote I've ever heard, congratulations

[Cire]

Gerrymandering is a way bigger problem than the EC

[Rage Against the McKee]

There's no big push because it's not something that will ever happen.  You would need 2/3 of the states to vote to kill the EC. So basically, the states who benefit the most from the EC would have to agree to concede that power that they have.  And they won't.  But, when a president is elected by the EC and not the popular vote, people are reminded what a mumped up stupid system it is.

We really just need more than 50% of the electoral votes to sign onto the national popular vote interstate compact. Currently there are enough states with legislative pending to make that happen, but I expect it to die in committee in the more conservative states like Kansas.